Re: Fwd: Apple GCC source code license (APSL)

[James Michael DuPont]

David,
thanks for you comments and help.

Not understanding too much about lawyer, I get easily confused by these
issues.

Thanks again,
mike

--- David Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 27 January 2003 11:33 pm, James Michael DuPont wrote:
> 
> > The cvs does require accepting the license hence my question.
> 
> I think that's because the repository has code under multiple
> licenses, one of 
> which is the APSL. They aren't claiming that everything in that
> repository is 
> under the APSL, only that you need to join an "APSL Club" to see it.
> If you 
> don't join that club, you can get the same GPL code elsewhere on the
> same 
> site. Besides which, implementing a click-through on just parts of a 
> repository would be a royal pain in the arse.
> 
> > so there is no problem in republishing the sources directly under
> the
> > gpl?
> 
> If the license says GPL then follow the GPL to your hearts content.
> Publish 
> away.
> 
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Re: Fwd: Apple GCC source code license (APSL)

[Andy Tai]

After a try more than 10 years ago, Steve Jobs does
not dare to do it again.


--- James Michael DuPont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I have a question about the APSL :
> http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/

> So, that means that the gcc changes are no longer
> under the gpl, but
> under the APSL?
> 
> I have downloaded the cvs of the gcc from apple, can
> I create and
> distribute it under the GPL? or only under the APSL?
>  
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Re: Fwd: Apple GCC source code license (APSL)

[David Johnson]

On Monday 27 January 2003 11:33 pm, James Michael DuPont wrote:

> The cvs does require accepting the license hence my question.

I think that's because the repository has code under multiple licenses, one of 
which is the APSL. They aren't claiming that everything in that repository is 
under the APSL, only that you need to join an "APSL Club" to see it. If you 
don't join that club, you can get the same GPL code elsewhere on the same 
site. Besides which, implementing a click-through on just parts of a 
repository would be a royal pain in the arse.

> so there is no problem in republishing the sources directly under the
> gpl?

If the license says GPL then follow the GPL to your hearts content. Publish 
away.

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Re: Fwd: Apple GCC source code license (APSL)

[James Michael DuPont]

--- David Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 27 January 2003 10:17 pm, you wrote:
> > I have a question about the APSL :
> > http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/
> >
> > The modifications to the gcc source are only available to you if
> you
> > agree to this "click-through" license.
> 
> Are you sure? I just went there an tried to download their gcc and
> was never 
> presented with any license. There is some stuff that "requires a
> valid APSL 
> registration", but gcc and gcc3 are not among them.  See the page 
> .
> 
> One thing that *might* be problematic is that CVSWeb requires this
> same 
> registration. But an APSL agreement and registration to access their
> central 
> source control repository is a much different thing than having to
> register 
> to get original and derived GPL code. As near as I can tell, all of
> their 
> original and derived GPL code does not require this registration to
> access.
> 
> Not a problem, IHMO.

Here is the tar file, yes, that is available without registration:
http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/darwin/6.0/source/other/gcc3-1151.tar.gz

The cvs does require accepting the license hence my question.

Thanks,
so there is no problem in republishing the sources directly under the
gpl?


btw: 
http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/01/28/rtl.i/apple-gcc-rtl.gz
contains a 800k tar of the modified apple gcc sources in RDF format via
the introspector.

mike

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Re: Fwd: Apple GCC source code license (APSL)

[Jeremy Malcolm]

On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:17:41 -0800 (PST)
"James Michael DuPont" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The license seems similar to the GPL, but does not mention it in the
> license. The source code of the gcc in the apple repository is under
> GPL, but I don't know if what is stronger binding, the click through
> APSL license, or the copyright based GPL license. 
> 
> So, that means that the gcc changes are no longer under the gpl, but
> under the APSL?

It would be a breach of the GPL by Apple for it to distribute its
version of gcc under any other licence than the GPL, unless it has the
agreement of the FSF (which for all I know it might have obtained).  The
more likely and satisfactory interpretation of the APSL click-through
page though is that the modifications are dual-licensed, so that the GPL
applies to them as part of gcc, and the APSL applies to them in their
separate form.

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Re: Fwd: Apple GCC source code license (APSL)

[David Johnson]

On Monday 27 January 2003 10:17 pm, you wrote:
> I have a question about the APSL :
> http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/
>
> The modifications to the gcc source are only available to you if you
> agree to this "click-through" license.

Are you sure? I just went there an tried to download their gcc and was never 
presented with any license. There is some stuff that "requires a valid APSL 
registration", but gcc and gcc3 are not among them.  See the page 
.

One thing that *might* be problematic is that CVSWeb requires this same 
registration. But an APSL agreement and registration to access their central 
source control repository is a much different thing than having to register 
to get original and derived GPL code. As near as I can tell, all of their 
original and derived GPL code does not require this registration to access.

Not a problem, IHMO.

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Fwd: Apple GCC source code license (APSL)

[James Michael DuPont]

I have a question about the APSL :
http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/
 
The modifications to the gcc source are only available to you if you
agree to this "click-through" license. 
 
The license seems similar to the GPL, but does not mention it in the
license. The source code of the gcc in the apple repository is under
GPL, but I don't know if what is stronger binding, the click through
APSL license, or the copyright based GPL license. 

So, that means that the gcc changes are no longer under the gpl, but
under the APSL?

I have downloaded the cvs of the gcc from apple, can I create and
distribute it under the GPL? or only under the APSL?
 
mike


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