Re: Discuss: The Open-Source Milestone Application Framework So
on Fri, Apr 26, 2002, Forrest J. Cavalier III ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 8. Milestone Technology Group, LLC is granted the right to use the name and logos of products derived from this software in communications related to the Milestone Application Framework. Yikes! That may not be against the OSD, but I think you are going to frighten away anyone who considers this software. At the very least, it strongly recommends monkeywrenching: http://www.hinkleymall.com/bymail.html (Mature audience alert probably isn't the term. I'd call it middlin' adolescent). The OSD may not prohibit this directly, but might be interpreted as denying this via: 1. Free Redistribution: ...The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale. Could such a right to publicity (similar to those included, say, in a prize contest or giveaway, be considered a (nonmonetary) fee or payment of brand equity? 5 6, the no discrimination (persons and groups, and fields or endeavors, respectively). Are there persons, groups, fields, or endeavors to whom a denial of privacy might be considered discriminatory? RMS has argued that this is an implicit right to FSF Free Software. The OSD is silent on the issue, though debate has not been. I agree that this is a strategically, if not legally, poor move. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Google *this*: a href=http://xenu.org/;Scientology/a msg04895/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Discuss: The Open-Source Milestone Application Framework So
on Fri, Apr 26, 2002, Forrest J. Cavalier III ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 8. Milestone Technology Group, LLC is granted the right to use the name and logos of products derived from this software in communications related to the Milestone Application Framework. Yikes! That may not be against the OSD, but I think you are going to frighten away anyone who considers this software. I can definitely see your point. The goal of the clause is to ensure that we are legally and ethically capable of sharing with the rest of the open source community exactly who is using the MAF and with what level of success. We attempted to limit the intrusiveness of this clause with the phrase in communications related to the Milestone Application Framework, but alas it seems to have done little to lessen the impact. Is there any less intrusive method of achieving our goal? How do others tackle this issue? -- Akil -Original Message- From: Karsten M. Self [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Karsten M. Self Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Discuss: The Open-Source Milestone Application Framework So on Fri, Apr 26, 2002, Forrest J. Cavalier III ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 8. Milestone Technology Group, LLC is granted the right to use the name and logos of products derived from this software in communications related to the Milestone Application Framework. Yikes! That may not be against the OSD, but I think you are going to frighten away anyone who considers this software. At the very least, it strongly recommends monkeywrenching: http://www.hinkleymall.com/bymail.html (Mature audience alert probably isn't the term. I'd call it middlin' adolescent). The OSD may not prohibit this directly, but might be interpreted as denying this via: 1. Free Redistribution: ...The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale. Could such a right to publicity (similar to those included, say, in a prize contest or giveaway, be considered a (nonmonetary) fee or payment of brand equity? 5 6, the no discrimination (persons and groups, and fields or endeavors, respectively). Are there persons, groups, fields, or endeavors to whom a denial of privacy might be considered discriminatory? RMS has argued that this is an implicit right to FSF Free Software. The OSD is silent on the issue, though debate has not been. I agree that this is a strategically, if not legally, poor move. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Google *this*: a href=http://xenu.org/;Scientology/a -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
RE: Discuss: The Open-Source Milestone Application Framework So
How could we reword clause 6 to make it less clumsy and to make it more palatable? How would one notify the public? -- Akil -Original Message- From: Forrest J. Cavalier III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 8:16 PM To: Akil Franklin Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Discuss: The Open-Source Milestone Application Framework So 6. All advertising materials regarding products derived from this software and/or features derived from its use must include the following acknowledgement: Is that worded as you want it? There is some clumsiness there and I am not sure what features derived from its use really means or is different from products derived from this software You know that this clause reaches much farther than the orginal BSD advertising clause. There are probably some who will not adopt the software because of it. 7. Milestone must be notified of the redistribution and use of this product. Such notification can be made by visiting www.techMilestone.com and filling out the appropriate online form. If you have any questions about this process, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I seem to recall previously submitted licenses rejected for clauses similar to this. (On the grounds that this fails the no separate license requirement of the OSD.) Consider what happens when the company goes out of business, or the WWW is replaced by something better. I think a requirement to notify the public is OK, a requirement to notify a specific entity is not. 8. Milestone Technology Group, LLC is granted the right to use the name and logos of products derived from this software in communications related to the Milestone Application Framework. Yikes! That may not be against the OSD, but I think you are going to frighten away anyone who considers this software. Forrest -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3 -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
Re: Discuss: The Open-Source Milestone Application Framework So
6. All advertising materials regarding products derived from this software and/or features derived from its use must include the following acknowledgement: Is that worded as you want it? There is some clumsiness there and I am not sure what features derived from its use really means or is different from products derived from this software You know that this clause reaches much farther than the orginal BSD advertising clause. There are probably some who will not adopt the software because of it. 7. Milestone must be notified of the redistribution and use of this product. Such notification can be made by visiting www.techMilestone.com and filling out the appropriate online form. If you have any questions about this process, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I seem to recall previously submitted licenses rejected for clauses similar to this. (On the grounds that this fails the no separate license requirement of the OSD.) Consider what happens when the company goes out of business, or the WWW is replaced by something better. I think a requirement to notify the public is OK, a requirement to notify a specific entity is not. 8. Milestone Technology Group, LLC is granted the right to use the name and logos of products derived from this software in communications related to the Milestone Application Framework. Yikes! That may not be against the OSD, but I think you are going to frighten away anyone who considers this software. Forrest -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
