Re: loophole in the GPL?

2000-03-30 Thread John Cowan

Justin Wells wrote:

 The GPL says that if I "distribute" copies then I must provide source. I,
 however, maintain that I am doing no such thing--I am *selling* copies,
 transfering my ownership of that copy to someone else, not distributing
 them.

The term "distribute" must be understood in the sense in which it is
used in the Copyright Act.  The term is not actually defined there, but
is used thus:  "distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work
to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or
lending".  So selling copies is a type, indeed the primary type, of distribution.
 
This argument also fails the "laugh test"; if your argument makes the
judge laugh (derisively), don't expect a decision in your favor.

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Re: loophole in the GPL?

2000-03-30 Thread Seth David Schoen

Justin Wells writes:

 On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 02:52:38PM -0500, John Cowan wrote:
 
  The term "distribute" must be understood in the sense in which it is
  used in the Copyright Act.  The term is not actually defined there, but
  is used thus:  "distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work
  to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or
  lending".  So selling copies is a type, indeed the primary type,
  of distribution.
 
 However, I thought it was well established that a copyright license 
 CANNOT prevent you from selling your copy of a copyrighted work.

Mmmm, I think you're glossing over what "your copy" means here.  I imagine
that you're referring to the "first sale" doctrine, which restricts the
ability of copyright holders to restrict resale of copies _that they
sell_.  First sale does not restrict the ability of copyright holders to
restrict resale of copies _that other people make_.

 Once you have legally acquired a copy, you CAN sell it.

That would be neat, because then you could make "fair use" copies for
yourself, and then they would be legal, so you could sell them.  The
people you sold them to would then have legal copies, so they could
make fair use copies, and then those copies would be legal, too, and
they could sell them...

This would be neat, but I don't think copyright law quite works that
way.

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Re: loophole in the GPL?

2000-03-30 Thread Justin Wells

On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 12:56:54PM -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote:

 Mmmm, I think you're glossing over what "your copy" means here.  I imagine
 that you're referring to the "first sale" doctrine, which restricts the
 ability of copyright holders to restrict resale of copies _that they
 sell_.  First sale does not restrict the ability of copyright holders to
 restrict resale of copies _that other people make_.

OK, that's the answer I was looking for. So, why can't book sellers 
restrict the resale of books by selling a copy to a distributor, and
letting the distributor make the copies that are sold to the public?

Justin