[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Ben Diola]

Does anyone know how to get a console in netbeans that I can run mvn
scala:cc?


On Apr 10, 8:12 am, David Pollak 
wrote:
> I think this thread points out something important about Lift... what
> matters most is what works for you.  There are plenty of people on this list
> that use one editor or another... use mapper or JPA... use lots of
> comet/ajax or use very little.  The only thing that's right is what works
> for you... and if you do something different than everyone, please share...
> I expect we'll learn something.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
> On Apr 9, 2009 1:20 PM, "TylerWeir"  wrote:
>
> It's not an editor/IDE war unless someone brings up Vim or Emacs,
> so...
>
> I've been using Vim+Scala+Ctags since I started.
>
> I'd recommend not getting hung-up on which editor is the "best"  just
> start coding.
>
> On Apr 9, 3:01 pm, "Charles F. Munat"  wrote: > I was
> thinking that I'd start with...
>
> > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Alexander Kellett  >
>
> 
> > >     On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat  > >     > wrote: > > >      > I'm writing a proposal
>
> for a presentation on mo...
>
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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[David Pollak]

I think this thread points out something important about Lift... what
matters most is what works for you.  There are plenty of people on this list
that use one editor or another... use mapper or JPA... use lots of
comet/ajax or use very little.  The only thing that's right is what works
for you... and if you do something different than everyone, please share...
I expect we'll learn something.

Thanks,

David

On Apr 9, 2009 1:20 PM, "TylerWeir"  wrote:


It's not an editor/IDE war unless someone brings up Vim or Emacs,
so...

I've been using Vim+Scala+Ctags since I started.

I'd recommend not getting hung-up on which editor is the "best"  just
start coding.

On Apr 9, 3:01 pm, "Charles F. Munat"  wrote: > I was
thinking that I'd start with...

> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Alexander Kellett  >
 > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat  > > wrote: > > >  > I'm writing a proposal
for a presentation on mo...
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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Timothy Perrett]

I think a lot of people coming to scala from ruby are more familiar
with the terminal and textmate style combination... using large IDE's
with boat loads of features is more for people coming from a
traditional java background. Thats not to say they don't have merit,
of course they do, but I think they wouldn't add a lot of value to
people who arnt used to using an IDE full stop and possibly dont see
why they should use one.

Having gone Java -> Ruby -> Scala, I started off being an eclipse guy
but after coding in ruby for a few years just didnt want to step back
into eclipse or netbeans: neither "felt right"

Cheers, Tim

On Apr 9, 8:01 pm, "Charles F. Munat"  wrote:
> I was thinking that I'd start with Textmate, since I've used that the
> most and it's what most Rails developers use, and then move to NetBeans,
> since that seems to be pretty popular. But I could take a quick look at
> Eclipse, too.

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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Alexander Kellett]

well, fwiw :P i eventually chose ideavim with intellij. best of both worlds.
thanks all for the input!

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:20 PM, TylerWeir  wrote:
>
> It's not an editor/IDE war unless someone brings up Vim or Emacs,
> so...
>
> I've been using Vim+Scala+Ctags since I started.
>
> I'd recommend not getting hung-up on which editor is the "best"  just
> start coding.
>
>
> On Apr 9, 3:01 pm, "Charles F. Munat"  wrote:
>> I was thinking that I'd start with Textmate, since I've used that the
>> most and it's what most Rails developers use, and then move to NetBeans,
>> since that seems to be pretty popular. But I could take a quick look at
>> Eclipse, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> David Pollak wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Alexander Kellett > > > wrote:
>>
>> >     actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a
>> >     working coding environment.
>>
>> >     there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best.
>> >     it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's
>> >     and con's of each ide.
>>
>> >     in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a
>> >     predisposition for something else.
>>
>> > I spent a lot of time coding Scala and Lift with emacs and Textmate.
>> >  They work fine.
>>
>> > While my current IDE of choice is NetBeans, I'm not convinced that an
>> > IDE is better than a good text editor.
>>
>> >     not the case for lift / scala in general.
>>
>> >     i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a
>> >     document to help people decide.
>>
>> >     On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat > >     > wrote:
>>
>> >      > I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to
>> >     Lift.
>>
>> >      > A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are:
>>
>> >      > 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs.
>>
>> >      > 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC.
>>
>> >      > Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that
>> >      > others think should be included. For former or current Rails
>> >     developers
>> >      > like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when
>> >     moving
>> >      > to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone
>> >      > explain to you to make the transition easier?
>>
>> >      > Thanks for any help!
>>
>> >      > Chas.
>>
>> > --
>> > Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net
>> > Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890
>> > Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp
>> > Git some:http://github.com/dpp
> >
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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Charles F. Munat]

Can't do them all, but I'd mention Emacs and Vim. Maybe show a slide of 
what they look like.

Chas.

TylerWeir wrote:
> It's not an editor/IDE war unless someone brings up Vim or Emacs,
> so...
> 
> I've been using Vim+Scala+Ctags since I started.
> 
> I'd recommend not getting hung-up on which editor is the "best"  just
> start coding.
> 
> 
> On Apr 9, 3:01 pm, "Charles F. Munat"  wrote:
>> I was thinking that I'd start with Textmate, since I've used that the
>> most and it's what most Rails developers use, and then move to NetBeans,
>> since that seems to be pretty popular. But I could take a quick look at
>> Eclipse, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> David Pollak wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Alexander Kellett >> > wrote:
>>> actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a
>>> working coding environment.
>>> there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best.
>>> it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's
>>> and con's of each ide.
>>> in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a
>>> predisposition for something else.
>>> I spent a lot of time coding Scala and Lift with emacs and Textmate.
>>>  They work fine.
>>> While my current IDE of choice is NetBeans, I'm not convinced that an
>>> IDE is better than a good text editor.
>>> not the case for lift / scala in general.
>>> i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a
>>> document to help people decide.
>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat >> > wrote:
>>>  > I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to
>>> Lift.
>>>  > A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are:
>>>  > 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs.
>>>  > 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC.
>>>  > Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that
>>>  > others think should be included. For former or current Rails
>>> developers
>>>  > like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when
>>> moving
>>>  > to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone
>>>  > explain to you to make the transition easier?
>>>  > Thanks for any help!
>>>  > Chas.
>>> --
>>> Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net
>>> Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890
>>> Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp
>>> Git some:http://github.com/dpp
> > 

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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[TylerWeir]

It's not an editor/IDE war unless someone brings up Vim or Emacs,
so...

I've been using Vim+Scala+Ctags since I started.

I'd recommend not getting hung-up on which editor is the "best"  just
start coding.


On Apr 9, 3:01 pm, "Charles F. Munat"  wrote:
> I was thinking that I'd start with Textmate, since I've used that the
> most and it's what most Rails developers use, and then move to NetBeans,
> since that seems to be pretty popular. But I could take a quick look at
> Eclipse, too.
>
>
>
> David Pollak wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Alexander Kellett  > > wrote:
>
> >     actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a
> >     working coding environment.
>
> >     there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best.
> >     it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's
> >     and con's of each ide.
>
> >     in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a
> >     predisposition for something else.
>
> > I spent a lot of time coding Scala and Lift with emacs and Textmate.
> >  They work fine.
>
> > While my current IDE of choice is NetBeans, I'm not convinced that an
> > IDE is better than a good text editor.
>
> >     not the case for lift / scala in general.
>
> >     i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a
> >     document to help people decide.
>
> >     On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat  >     > wrote:
>
> >      > I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to
> >     Lift.
>
> >      > A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are:
>
> >      > 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs.
>
> >      > 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC.
>
> >      > Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that
> >      > others think should be included. For former or current Rails
> >     developers
> >      > like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when
> >     moving
> >      > to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone
> >      > explain to you to make the transition easier?
>
> >      > Thanks for any help!
>
> >      > Chas.
>
> > --
> > Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net
> > Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890
> > Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp
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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Charles F. Munat]

I was thinking that I'd start with Textmate, since I've used that the 
most and it's what most Rails developers use, and then move to NetBeans, 
since that seems to be pretty popular. But I could take a quick look at 
Eclipse, too.

David Pollak wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Alexander Kellett  > wrote:
> 
> 
> actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a
> working coding environment.
> 
> there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best.
> it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's
> and con's of each ide.
> 
> in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a
> predisposition for something else.
> 
> 
> I spent a lot of time coding Scala and Lift with emacs and Textmate. 
>  They work fine.
> 
> While my current IDE of choice is NetBeans, I'm not convinced that an 
> IDE is better than a good text editor.
>  
> 
> 
> 
> not the case for lift / scala in general.
> 
> i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a
> document to help people decide.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat  > wrote:
>  >
>  > I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to
> Lift.
>  >
>  > A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are:
>  >
>  > 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs.
>  >
>  > 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC.
>  >
>  > Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that
>  > others think should be included. For former or current Rails
> developers
>  > like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when
> moving
>  > to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone
>  > explain to you to make the transition easier?
>  >
>  > Thanks for any help!
>  >
>  > Chas.
>  >
>  > >
>  >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890
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> Git some: http://github.com/dpp
> 
> > 

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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Charles F. Munat]

This is interesting. I'll think about this. Thanks.

Chas.

Alexander Kellett wrote:
> actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a
> working coding environment.
> 
> there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best.
> it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's
> and con's of each ide.
> 
> in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a
> predisposition for something else.
> 
> not the case for lift / scala in general.
> 
> i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a
> document to help people decide.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat  wrote:
>> I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift.
>>
>> A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are:
>>
>> 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs.
>>
>> 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC.
>>
>> Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that
>> others think should be included. For former or current Rails developers
>> like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when moving
>> to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone
>> explain to you to make the transition easier?
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
>>
>> Chas.
>>
> 
> > 

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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Charles F. Munat]

Ah, I get it now.

Jacob Grydholt Jensen wrote:
> No, he is talking about *developers* switching from rails to lift, not 
> projects.
> 
> /grydholt
> 
> > 

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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Clemens Oertel]

> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Clemens Oertel  > wrote:
>
> I don't think it's necessary to make a final decision about your IDE
> at any time. AFAIK, all major IDEs work quite well with Maven's pom
> files, so it's very easy to switch IDEs at any time.
>
> WOAAAH  I beg to differ.   Actually some IDEs work much better  
> with Maven pom's than others.  It depends on how you like to arrange  
> your projects and work on them.  (At work, the IntelliJ users get a  
> much different feel for multi-module projects than Eclipse users).

Fair enough. Let me rephrase. With the IDEs that I have tried, and  
only for the versions of said IDEs that I have used, and only for the  
Scala/Lift projects that I worked with, switching between the IDEs has  
always been easy.

Best,
Clemens
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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Josh Suereth]

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Clemens Oertel wrote:

>
> I don't think it's necessary to make a final decision about your IDE
> at any time. AFAIK, all major IDEs work quite well with Maven's pom
> files, so it's very easy to switch IDEs at any time.
>

WOAAAH  I beg to differ.   Actually some IDEs work much better with
Maven pom's than others.  It depends on how you like to arrange your
projects and work on them.  (At work, the IntelliJ users get a much
different feel for multi-module projects than Eclipse users).

As you said in the lower portion, choosing an IDE is more about what you're
comfortable with.   As I know Eclipse the best I am most productive in it
(being a plugin contributor helps here ;) ).  I have coded scala in a text
editor (and sometimes resort to that at times), but in general I am more
efficient in eclipse as I began to "think in eclipse" when I code.  I'm
positive this is different for different users.

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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Clemens Oertel]

I don't think it's necessary to make a final decision about your IDE  
at any time. AFAIK, all major IDEs work quite well with Maven's pom  
files, so it's very easy to switch IDEs at any time.

I for instance used NetBeans until last month, when JetBrains updated  
their Scala plugin - then I switched to IntelliJ. The transition was  
very smooth.

So start with any one of the IDEs, and once you've figured out what do  
don't like about that very IDE, you can look around whether another  
IDE might do it better.

And anyways, if there really was a "best" IDE, it would probably be  
the only IDE (the causality goes both ways). It's always a matter of  
needs, prior experience, taste ...

Best,
Clemens

On 9-Apr-09, at 5:38 AM, Alexander Kellett wrote:

>
> actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a
> working coding environment.
>
> there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best.
> it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's
> and con's of each ide.
>
> in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a
> predisposition for something else.
>
> not the case for lift / scala in general.
>
> i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a
> document to help people decide.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat   
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to  
>> Lift.
>>
>> A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are:
>>
>> 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs.
>>
>> 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC.
>>
>> Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that
>> others think should be included. For former or current Rails  
>> developers
>> like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when  
>> moving
>> to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone
>> explain to you to make the transition easier?
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
>>
>> Chas.
>>
>>>
>>
>
> >


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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Timothy Perrett]

On the contrary... Im coding in TextMate right now: it works perfect!

I run scala:cc in a terminal window and just code away in TextMate. Job
done.

Tim

On 09/04/2009 10:38, "Alexander Kellett"  wrote:
> in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a
> predisposition for something else.
> 
> not the case for lift / scala in general.
> 
> i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a
> document to help people decide.



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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[David Pollak]

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Alexander Kellett  wrote:

>
> actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a
> working coding environment.
>
> there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best.
> it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's
> and con's of each ide.
>
> in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a
> predisposition for something else.


I spent a lot of time coding Scala and Lift with emacs and Textmate.  They
work fine.

While my current IDE of choice is NetBeans, I'm not convinced that an IDE is
better than a good text editor.


>
>
> not the case for lift / scala in general.
>
> i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a
> document to help people decide.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat  wrote:
> >
> > I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift.
> >
> > A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are:
> >
> > 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs.
> >
> > 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC.
> >
> > Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that
> > others think should be included. For former or current Rails developers
> > like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when moving
> > to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone
> > explain to you to make the transition easier?
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
> >
> > Chas.
> >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>


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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Alexander Kellett]

actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a
working coding environment.

there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best.
it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's
and con's of each ide.

in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a
predisposition for something else.

not the case for lift / scala in general.

i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a
document to help people decide.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat  wrote:
>
> I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift.
>
> A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are:
>
> 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs.
>
> 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC.
>
> Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that
> others think should be included. For former or current Rails developers
> like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when moving
> to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone
> explain to you to make the transition easier?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
> Chas.
>
> >
>

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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Jacob Grydholt Jensen]

No, he is talking about *developers* switching from rails to lift, not projects.

/grydholt

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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Charles F. Munat]

Sorry, but I haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

Chas.

Warren Henning wrote:
> You're proposing to scrap working code?
> 
> Isn't that trying to fix something that isn't broken?
> 
> Warren
> 
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Charles F. Munat  wrote:
>> I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift.
> 
> > 

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[Lift] Re: Rails -> Lift

[Warren Henning]

You're proposing to scrap working code?

Isn't that trying to fix something that isn't broken?

Warren

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> I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift.

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