Re: GUI for Lilypond

2004-09-14 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi,

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, Erik Sandberg wrote:

> On Monday 13 September 2004 12.32, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> > I think it is not reasonable to embed LilyPond's render engine into a
> > WYSIYWG system: It takes much too long to produce nice output.
> At least with today's state. I have been thinking about this issue - and in
> theory I think it could be possible to some extent; an editor could use a
> primitive engine to do an initial guess of the layout, and internally run
> lilypond now and then to adjust the layout to look better. It's not a pure
> WYSIWYG, but it's a bit closer at least.

I am quite comfortable to first input the music (by whatever means), and
then finishing of the layout by point-and-click.

Ciao,
Dscho



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Re: GUI for Lilypond

2004-09-14 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi,

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, Graham Percival wrote:

> On 13-Sep-04, at 3:32 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, Graham Percival wrote:
> >> [...] -- Emacs, vim, jedit, etc.  [...]
> > Not to forget jEdit...
> *boggle*  Is there a difference beween jedit and jEdit?  How odd...

Did I mention that there exists also that nice little editor named jEdit,
which has a fantastic lilypond mode ;-)

Thank you, Graham, you made a blind man see again...

Ciao,
Dscho



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Re: GUI for Lilypond

2004-09-13 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Monday 13 September 2004 12.32, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, Graham Percival wrote:
> > There are also some text editors that are integrated with LilyPond to a
> > less or greater extent -- Emacs, vim, jedit, etc.  See the manual for
> > details about GUIs and text editor stuff.
>
> Not to forget jEdit...
>
> I think it is not reasonable to embed LilyPond's render engine into a
> WYSIYWG system: It takes much too long to produce nice output.

At least with today's state. I have been thinking about this issue - and in 
theory I think it could be possible to some extent; an editor could use a 
primitive engine to do an initial guess of the layout, and internally run 
lilypond now and then to adjust the layout to look better. It's not a pure 
WYSIWYG, but it's a bit closer at least.

This stuff would be far far future though.

Erik


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Re: GUI for Lilypond

2004-09-13 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi,

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, Graham Percival wrote:
> There are also some text editors that are integrated with LilyPond to a
> less or greater extent -- Emacs, vim, jedit, etc.  See the manual for
> details about GUIs and text editor stuff.

Not to forget jEdit...

I think it is not reasonable to embed LilyPond's render engine into a
WYSIYWG system: It takes much too long to produce nice output.

Ciao,
Dscho



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Re: GUI for Lilypond

2004-09-12 Thread Graham Percival
On 12-Sep-04, at 6:52 AM, Stefan Chrobot wrote:
Will there ever be a GUI with "real-time" rendering? It would be nice 
if it was portable to
Not directly as part of the LilyPond project.  There are a number of 
GUIs that
can output LilyPond notation, as you've found (Rosegarden).  There are 
also
some text editors that are integrated with LilyPond to a less or 
greater extent --
Emacs, vim, jedit, etc.  See the manual for details about GUIs and text 
editor
stuff.

Cheers,
- Graham

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GUI for Lilypond

2004-09-12 Thread Stefan Chrobot
Hello!
Will there ever be a GUI with "real-time" rendering? It would be nice if 
it was portable to Windows too. I tried Rosegarden, but it seems to have 
it's own renderer and uses Lilypond only for printing(?). I wish there 
was an editor for Lilypond that would show the score the way it was 
going to look after printing. Is that even possible?

Keep up the good work. Cheers!
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