Re: LP's staff lines are thinner than Henle...

2008-12-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:07:35PM -0800, Mark Polesky wrote:
> I'm intentionally making a big deal out of this because this
> is the text on page 2 of the manual, and disingenuous claims
> are off-putting to new users. We're trying to "sell" a
> product, but our pitch is unconvincing and maybe a little
> suspicious.

Thanks for looking into this.  My initial thought is that we
should print out our flat (at 4800dpi or whatever), then scan that
printout.  This would avoid any pdf->png confusion, as well as
presenting a more unified comparison.  (well, it would if we could
print it on the same paper as the Henle and Barenreiter flats
used)

However -- and I really hate asking people to delay things when
they're enthusiastic -- could you wait a few weeks until GOP
starts?  With Christmas and preparing for 2.12, this isn't the
best of times to fiddle with such details.  In addition, the
entire Engraving essay will be removed from the LM, put somewhere
else, and quite possibly be rewritten from scratch as part of GOP.
(that said, we will probably retain the comparison of flats, so
perhaps there's no point waiting before producing the scans)

Cheers,
- Graham


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Re: LP's staff lines are thinner than Henle...

2008-12-15 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
Years ago I made a 4800dpi film in a printshop. It was surprisingly 
different than a 600dpi laser-print.
So to make a fair comparison one should print pages with the same 
professional technology and see.


Bert

Carl D. Sorensen wrote:


On 12/14/08 11:45 PM, "Mark Polesky"  wrote:

  

LM 1.1 Background - "Engraving" states:

"our staff lines... are also
much thicker than lines in the
computer edition."

In both the HTML and PDF versions, LilyPond's staff lines are
in fact the thinnest when compared. I've included a png to
make this easier to see. In the HTML version, the distance
from top to bottom staff line of the LP example was smaller
than the other 2, but even when scaling the LP example to
match the other 2 (as I've done here) the LP lines are still
the thinnest. The PDF example is magnified about 300 times.

Can someone explain this?

- Mark



  



The staff lines on your other examples have been broadened by anti-aliasing.
The staff line on the LilyPond example have not been, because it's a vector
drawing.  So your comparision is not apt.

I have not viewed the originals to make any judgement of them.

Carl



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Re: LP's staff lines are thinner than Henle...

2008-12-15 Thread Carl D. Sorensen



On 12/14/08 11:45 PM, "Mark Polesky"  wrote:

> LM 1.1 Background - "Engraving" states:
> 
> "our staff lines... are also
> much thicker than lines in the
> computer edition."
> 
> In both the HTML and PDF versions, LilyPond's staff lines are
> in fact the thinnest when compared. I've included a png to
> make this easier to see. In the HTML version, the distance
> from top to bottom staff line of the LP example was smaller
> than the other 2, but even when scaling the LP example to
> match the other 2 (as I've done here) the LP lines are still
> the thinnest. The PDF example is magnified about 300 times.
> 
> Can someone explain this?
> 
> - Mark
> 
> 
> 
>   

The staff lines on your other examples have been broadened by anti-aliasing.
The staff line on the LilyPond example have not been, because it's a vector
drawing.  So your comparision is not apt.

I have not viewed the originals to make any judgement of them.

Carl



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LP's staff lines are thinner than Henle...

2008-12-14 Thread Mark Polesky
LM 1.1 Background - "Engraving" states:

"our staff lines... are also
much thicker than lines in the
computer edition."

In both the HTML and PDF versions, LilyPond's staff lines are 
in fact the thinnest when compared. I've included a png to 
make this easier to see. In the HTML version, the distance 
from top to bottom staff line of the LP example was smaller 
than the other 2, but even when scaling the LP example to 
match the other 2 (as I've done here) the LP lines are still 
the thinnest. The PDF example is magnified about 300 times.

Can someone explain this?

- Mark



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