Re: List-culture [was] No Bug nor Feature?

2006-07-27 Thread Marco Gusy
Alle 01:51, giovedì 27 luglio 2006, Donald Axel ha scritto:

> I hope you get the point: friendly and positive mail-tone is
> essential for a mail-list cooperation. Do not assume that I
> do not want to understand your point. And excuse me if I am wrong,
> after all I (or others) could be helped to understand what you mean.
> Also excuse me if this is not the best way to help reaching a
> friendly atmosphere on this mail-list; I am trying as hard
> as I can but I may fail.

I see, and totally agree. It's not easy to manage many emails with real-bugs 
reports or false-bugs. But an answer like "read the manual" is neither a 
friendly answer nor an answer at all. 
I prepared a score with lilypond and the celloist missed one note because of 
this problem, so I thought it could be a good idea to discuss this behaviour 
on the list. This is the reason my i went into a grumpy mood when you 
answered "try to live with it", because it would end the discussion with no 
solution, or no real conclusion.


>I think your example on how weird accidental rules seem in
> some places is very good. Accidentals may seem odd even if it is the
> correct way these accidentals are placed.
>
>I do not think that the developers should change
> the accidental-rules.

I don't understand what you mean, you say accidental rules seem weird in some 
places, but should remain as they are. Why?

-The only rule to be adjusted is "don't let the over-the-bar rule turn off the 
implicit "!" obtained by alternations in the same bar"

-And to make it still better: "forget the alteration after n bars"


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List-culture [was] No Bug nor Feature?

2006-07-26 Thread Donald Axel
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:26:33 +0200
Marco Gusy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Alle 00:11, mercoledì 26 luglio 2006, Donald Axel ha scritto:
> > Don't be annoyed, you can get your money back if you want;-)
> 
> Of course you didn't get the point and don't want to. I only said I think the 
> program may lead to unwanted results.
> I'm not annoyed by Lilypond, i'm only annoyed by answers like "read the 
> manual" or "don't use lilypond" when I warily report a bug. Bug reporting is 
> a way to contribute to the project, too.

I am sorry if I did not get the point. What I try to tell you is that
working with list mail may be time consuming for developers and
sentences like "Anyway the problem is still more annoying," may better
be stated as:

   "Anyway it looks inappropriate to me that [...]"

   I hope you get the point: friendly and positive mail-tone is
essential for a mail-list cooperation. Do not assume that I 
do not want to understand your point. And excuse me if I am wrong,
after all I (or others) could be helped to understand what you mean.
Also excuse me if this is not the best way to help reaching a 
friendly atmosphere on this mail-list; I am trying as hard
as I can but I may fail.

   I think your example on how weird accidental rules seem in
some places is very good. Accidentals may seem odd even if it is the
correct way these accidentals are placed.

   I do not think that the developers should change 
the accidental-rules.
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