RE: Male/female/other
Engraving was a highly specialized skill, a craftsman had to complete around five years of training before she could be a master engraver. Engraving was a highly specialized skill; note change in punctuation craftsmen Had to complete about five years of training before they could become master engravers. If the musician looks away once or has a lapse in her concentration, she will have lost her place on the page. Musicians who look away one or have lapses in concentration will easily lose their place on the page. Carl Sorensen ___ lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Male/female/other
Hi, Funnily enough, I already commented on this sort of thing and I tend to agree with Han-Wen on this. I don't think that it is unfair to pick a suitable gender depending on the situation. And I quote from my previous email on the subject: === The trouble is, determining a one-size-fits-all rule for this kind of think can be too restrictive. For example, when describing old professional music engravers, he/she would be, almost without exception, male. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. Referring to her would be inappropriate and silly. === Further, if we were writing articles on child birth, I think that phrases like his cervix rather make the politically correct strategy silly. snigger You're never going to please everybody all of the time, and to be quite honest, contrary to what a lot of media commentators say on this subject, I don't think many people take offence at this sort of thing and if they do, they really should get a life... Regards, Ralph I think that hand-engraving dates from the time that women did not participate much in professional life Indeed, so wouldn't using 'he' instead of 'she' here not be extra unkind to the [very few] women who were engravers? I'm not sure there were none. , so I find this sentence rather awkward. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.tribaldata.co.uk ...or see what I do in my spare time: www.skelmanthorpeband.org -- Man who shoot off mouth... expect to lose face. - Tribal Data Solutions has moved, please visit our website for more details http://www.tribaldata.co.uk. This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and are sent on the basis of our copyright, e-mail and security policy which can be inspected by visiting http://www.tribaldata.co.uk/policies.asp. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete this message. Thank you. --- ___ lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Male/female/other
Quothe Ralph Little, from writings of Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 10:12:24AM +0100: Funnily enough, I already commented on this sort of thing and I tend to agree with Han-Wen on this. So do I. Further, if we were writing articles on child birth, I think that phrases like his cervix rather make the politically correct strategy silly. snigger Is political correctness supposed to make sense? Darned if I ever found anything about it to be sensible. It seems as though the only people who truly benefit from political correctness are those who go around giving paid lectures on it and writing books promoting it, etc. You're never going to please everybody all of the time, and to be quite honest, contrary to what a lot of media commentators say on this Righto... but then, didn't you know that honesty isn't fair in sitiations where it sides with what's politically incorrect? (sarcasm intended ;-) ) -- Copyright (C) 2004 R.D. Davis The difference between humans other animals: an All Rights Reservedunnatural belief that we're above Nature her www.rddavis.org 410-744-4900other creatures, using dogma to justify such Uncle Fester for President! beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Male/female/other
R. D. Davis writes: Funnily enough, I already commented on this sort of thing and I tend to agree with Han-Wen on this. So do I. That's no surprise; so do all males I have seen responses from. Further, if we were writing articles on child birth, I think that phrases like his cervix rather make the politically correct strategy silly. snigger This is nonsense, of course, and does not help the discussion. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org ___ lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
RE: Male/female/other
Hi, It is fair to say that the example was extreme and silly. However, I use it merely to demonstrate that one-size-fits-all does not work and we must really be sensible about applying general rules like this and enforcing them rigidly. A more pragmatic approach is required here. I think a mixture of his/her is emminently acceptable but only where appropriate to the context. The discussion is growing beyond it's importance to Lilypond, therefore, I don't propose to comment on the issue further. The doc authors should search their respective consciences for the answer. ;) Regards, Ralph -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.tribaldata.co.uk ...or see what I do in my spare time: www.skelmanthorpeband.org -- Man who shoot off mouth... expect to lose face. -Original Message- From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 17:16 To: R. D. Davis Cc: Ralph Little; lilypond-devel Subject: Re: Male/female/other R. D. Davis writes: Funnily enough, I already commented on this sort of thing and I tend to agree with Han-Wen on this. So do I. That's no surprise; so do all males I have seen responses from. Further, if we were writing articles on child birth, I think that phrases like his cervix rather make the politically correct strategy silly. snigger This is nonsense, of course, and does not help the discussion. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org - Tribal Data Solutions has moved, please visit our website for more details http://www.tribaldata.co.uk. This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and are sent on the basis of our copyright, e-mail and security policy which can be inspected by visiting http://www.tribaldata.co.uk/policies.asp. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete this message. Thank you. --- ___ lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Male/female/other
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: R. D. Davis writes: Funnily enough, I already commented on this sort of thing and I tend to agree with Han-Wen on this. So do I. That's no surprise; so do all males I have seen responses from. So why don't you ask a comment from a female. I recall that you have one nearby that happens to be proficient matters of language :-) (From my limited knowledge of feminism and modern society, the effort to be anally correct with gender issues went out of fashion more than 15 years ago) -- Han-Wen Nienhuys | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Male/female/other
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, Graham Percival wrote: ... Engraving was a highly specialized skill, a craftsman had to complete around five years of training before she could be a master engraver. What about: Engraving was a highly specialized skill; a craftsman had to complete around five years of training before earning the title of a master engraver. If the musician looks away once or has a lapse in her concentration, she will have lost her place on the page. If the musician looks away once or has a lapse in concentration, a loss of place on the page is likely to result. Greetings, Jürgen ___ lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Male/female/other
Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: I think that hand-engraving dates from the time that women did not participate much in professional life Indeed, so wouldn't using 'he' instead of 'she' here not be extra unkind to the [very few] women who were engravers? I'm not sure there were none. , so I find this sentence rather awkward. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org ___ lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
