Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-11 Thread James
Hello,

On 10 December 2011 23:27, Jonathan Kulp jonlancek...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 5:06 PM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Thanks for testing, James. :)
 
 
  Downloading now. My Internet connection is not that fast, so I'll leave
 it
  run over night (it's late here) and then have a go at building LP with it
  tomorrow morning/early afternoon BST.
 
  I'll let you know.
 

 I've actually installed it in a VM and built LP successfully, now
 building docs (just 'local-doc' not the whole thing) so far seems to
 be working great. The new env vars, astyle 2.02.1 and fontforge
 20110222 are all in place. Let me know if you encounter anything
 weird. :)

 Well...

--snip--
james@james-OptiPlex-990:~/Downloads$ md5sum ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso
ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso.md5
b394cb547a558559e21dfdaf702ebe01  ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso
4067a00cfe9d8dc501fbeb32ab8f3020  ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso.md5

--snip--

That's one 'weird' :)

The next is that when I install the .iso - it does work so the file is
intact even if he md5 doesn't match! - I can see Ubuntu 10.04. Not as I was
expecting 11.04 (or whichever 11.x I thought we were planning).

So I am 'guessing' that you linked to the wrong file or renamed the wrong
file or something, as this looks like the old LilyDev.

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-11 Thread James
Hello (again)..

On 11 December 2011 11:49, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 On 10 December 2011 23:27, Jonathan Kulp jonlancek...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 5:06 PM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Thanks for testing, James. :)
 
 
  Downloading now. My Internet connection is not that fast, so I'll leave
 it
  run over night (it's late here) and then have a go at building LP with
 it
  tomorrow morning/early afternoon BST.
 
  I'll let you know.
 

 I've actually installed it in a VM and built LP successfully, now
 building docs (just 'local-doc' not the whole thing) so far seems to
 be working great. The new env vars, astyle 2.02.1 and fontforge
 20110222 are all in place. Let me know if you encounter anything
 weird. :)

 Well...

 --snip--
 james@james-OptiPlex-990:~/Downloads$ md5sum ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso
 ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso.md5
 b394cb547a558559e21dfdaf702ebe01  ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso
 4067a00cfe9d8dc501fbeb32ab8f3020  ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso.md5

 --snip--

 That's one 'weird' :)


No it isn't (doh!)...

:)

Sorry... (I've just got up! - Need coffee!) Of course it's fine. Sorry
Jonathan.

The 'content' of the md5 file is

b394cb547a558559e21dfdaf702ebe01  ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso

Which matches, but I am still confused as I was expecting a 11.x version.

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:49:51AM +, James wrote:
--snip--
james@james-OptiPlex-990:~/Downloads$ md5sum
ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso.md5
b394cb547a558559e21dfdaf702ebe01  ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso
4067a00cfe9d8dc501fbeb32ab8f3020  ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso.md5
--snip--

do this:
$ md5sum ubuntu*.iso
$ more ubutu*.md5

those should match.  You don't run md5sum on a *.md5 file.

The next is that when I install the .iso - it does work so the file is
intact even if he md5 doesn't match! - I can see Ubuntu 10.04. Not as I
was expecting 11.04 (or whichever 11.x I thought we were planning).

We are using 10.04 again; we're just updating the extra software.

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-11 Thread James
Hello,

On 11 December 2011 11:52, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:

 On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:49:51AM +, James wrote:
 --snip--
 james@james-OptiPlex-990:~/Downloads$ md5sum
 ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso.md5
 b394cb547a558559e21dfdaf702ebe01  ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso
 4067a00cfe9d8dc501fbeb32ab8f3020  ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso.md5
 --snip--

 do this:
 $ md5sum ubuntu*.iso
 $ more ubutu*.md5

 those should match.  You don't run md5sum on a *.md5 file.


:) Yes I realised what I had done.



 The next is that when I install the .iso - it does work so the file is
 intact even if he md5 doesn't match! - I can see Ubuntu 10.04. Not as
 I
 was expecting 11.04 (or whichever 11.x I thought we were planning).

 We are using 10.04 again; we're just updating the extra software.



Ah ok. I'll do a full make / make doc now.

Thanks

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-11 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote:
     was expecting 11.04 (or whichever 11.x I thought we were planning).

 We are using 10.04 again; we're just updating the extra software.


Yes this is because 10.04 is a long-term support release. Next LTS is
12.04, coming out this spring.



 Ah ok. I'll do a full make / make doc now.


It worked in a VM for me, hopefully it will for you too. One mistake I
found is that the desktop launcher for the CG links to the 2.13
version instead of 2.15 (*facepalm*). Forgot about that. I can fix and
make a new image.

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 06:16:54AM -0600, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
 It worked in a VM for me, hopefully it will for you too. One mistake I
 found is that the desktop launcher for the CG links to the 2.13
 version instead of 2.15 (*facepalm*). Forgot about that. I can fix and
 make a new image.

hold on a bit, let's see what else needs to be done.  Besides,
maybe it would be best to link to
http://lilypond.org/development.html
or even have a dedicated
http://lilypond.org/cg
redirect that always went to the latest contributor's guide.

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-11 Thread James
Jonathan, Graham et al.

On 11 December 2011 12:16, Jonathan Kulp jonlancek...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote:
  was expecting 11.04 (or whichever 11.x I thought we were planning).
 
  We are using 10.04 again; we're just updating the extra software.
 

 Yes this is because 10.04 is a long-term support release. Next LTS is
 12.04, coming out this spring.

 
 
  Ah ok. I'll do a full make / make doc now.
 

 It worked in a VM for me, hopefully it will for you too. One mistake I
 found is that the desktop launcher for the CG links to the 2.13
 version instead of 2.15 (*facepalm*). Forgot about that. I can fix and
 make a new image.


Well I followed the steps of the 2.15.whatever_version_website_is and had
no problems at all.

Some observations

1.  Only 'master' is checked out with LilyGit.tcl currently
2.  Versions that are explicitly listed for the various components are
below. The full output of ../configure is attached, however as I know lots
of the other devs compile on their own systems the versions we use for
LilyDev might be older and could be updated or perhaps someone has specific
knowledge of problems with these versions that we could update?

--snip--

checking python version... 2.6.5
...
checking g++ version... 4.4.3
...
checking bison version... 2.4.1
...
checking guile-config version... 1.8.7
...
checking /usr/bin/gs version... 8.71
...
checking /usr/local/bin/fontforge version... 20110222
...
checking pkg-config version... 0.22
...
checking for pangoft2 = 1.6.0... yes
...
checking for fontconfig = 2.4.0... yes
...
checking makeinfo version... 4.13
...
checking texi2html version... 1.82

--snip--

Otherwise all seems to work fine. Thank you Jonathan!

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checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking Package... LILYPOND
checking builddir... /home/james/lilypond-git/build
checking for stepmake... ../stepmake  (${datarootdir}/stepmake not found)
checking for gmake... no
checking for make... make
checking for find... find
checking for tar... tar
checking for bash... /bin/bash
checking for python... python
checking python version... 2.6.5
checking for python... /usr/bin/python
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking for suffix of executables... 
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed
checking whether compiler understands -pipe... yes
checking for IEEE-conformance compiler flags... none
checking for fc-list... fc-list
checking New Century Schoolbook PFB files... 
/usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/c059016l.pfb 
/usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/c059036l.pfb 
/usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/c059033l.pfb 
/usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/c059013l.pfb 
checking for python... /usr/bin/python
checking /usr/bin/python version... 2.6.5
checking for /usr/bin/python... /usr/bin/python
checking for g++... g++
checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes
checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes
checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... g++ -E
checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /bin/grep
checking for egrep... /bin/grep -E
checking gcc version... 4.4.3
checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... (cached) yes
checking whether g++ accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking g++ version... 4.4.3
checking options for known g++ tail call bug... none
checking whether explicit instantiation is needed... no
checking for stl.data () method... yes
checking for ar... ar
checking for ranlib... ranlib
checking for dlopen in -ldl... yes
checking for dlopen... yes
checking for bison... bison -y
checking for bison... bison
checking bison version... 2.4.1
checking for flex... flex
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for sys/types.h... yes
checking for sys/stat.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... yes
checking for string.h... yes
checking for memory.h... yes
checking for strings.h... yes
checking for inttypes.h... yes
checking for stdint.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... yes
checking FlexLexer.h usability... yes
checking FlexLexer.h presence... yes
checking for FlexLexer.h... yes
checking for yyFlexLexer.yy_current_buffer... no
checking FlexLexer.h location... /usr/include/FlexLexer.h
checking language... English
checking for gettext in -lintl... no
checking for gettext... yes
checking for msgfmt... msgfmt
checking for mf-nowin... mf-nowin
checking for mpost... mpost
checking for working metafont mode... ljfour
checking for kpsewhich... kpsewhich
checking for guile-config... guile-config
checking guile-config version... 1.8.7
checking guile compile flags...   -pthread
checking guile link flags...  -pthread  -lguile -lltdl -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions 
-lgmp -lcrypt -lm -lltdl
checking 

Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-10 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Graham Percival
gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 10:35:36AM -0600, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
 I could probably do it again. Maybe Debian would be better base so it
 wouldn't need upgrading as much?

 This upgrade is to match our changing development requirements,
 i.e. fontforge 20110222 --enable-double, astyle 2.02, having the
 user profile set up with $LILYPOND_GIT, etc.  Not because of any
 problems in ubuntu 10.04 itself.

Ok I can make these changes to the current setup. Haven't heard of
$LILYPOND_GIT but I guess it's in the CG so I'll take a look.


 oh wait, were you referring to Ubuntu's frequent security updates?
 Well, I suppose that Debian probably has fewer... but I'd rather
 stay with ubuntu.  All our windows contributors are accustomed to
 it by now, and there's plenty of newbie-oriented help online for
 ubuntu.


I suggested it mainly b/c Ubuntu has very different UI in new
releases, the Unity DE. For ubuntu 12.04 (next LTS release coming in
spring) we may want to switch to xfce or switch to Debian completely.
I can do whatever y'all want.

Anyway I'll get started updating the 10.04 lilydev today, probably
have a new iso in next day or so.
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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-10 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:53 AM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote:
 hello

 and if you need someone to test it let me know. I've been using nothing else 
 but lilydev and virtual box to compile and patch LP these last couple of 
 years.

Thanks James that'd be great. I'll post a link for you when it's ready.

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 06:09:22AM -0600, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
 
 Ok I can make these changes to the current setup. Haven't heard of
 $LILYPOND_GIT but I guess it's in the CG so I'll take a look.

export LILYPOND_GIT=$HOME/lilypond-git/
export LILYPOND_WEB_MEDIA_GIT=$HOME/lilypond-web-media-git/


 I suggested it mainly b/c Ubuntu has very different UI in new
 releases, the Unity DE. For ubuntu 12.04 (next LTS release coming in
 spring) we may want to switch to xfce or switch to Debian completely.

or GNOME classic.  Yes, it's something to consider, but if we
update lilydev now, I doubt we'd want to update again until summer
at least, and hopefully ubuntu 12.04 LTS will have settled down by
then.  :)

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-10 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Graham Percival
gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 06:09:22AM -0600, Jonathan Kulp wrote:

 Ok I can make these changes to the current setup. Haven't heard of
 $LILYPOND_GIT but I guess it's in the CG so I'll take a look.

 export LILYPOND_GIT=$HOME/lilypond-git/
 export LILYPOND_WEB_MEDIA_GIT=$HOME/lilypond-web-media-git/


Thanks, so I just add these to .bashrc right? Does this mean the
lily-git.tcl script has changed too?


 I suggested it mainly b/c Ubuntu has very different UI in new
 releases, the Unity DE. For ubuntu 12.04 (next LTS release coming in
 spring) we may want to switch to xfce or switch to Debian completely.

 or GNOME classic.  Yes, it's something to consider, but if we
 update lilydev now, I doubt we'd want to update again until summer
 at least, and hopefully ubuntu 12.04 LTS will have settled down by
 then.  :)


Ok we can revisit this in summer and make a decision then.

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 07:01:27AM -0600, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Graham Percival
 gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:
  export LILYPOND_GIT=$HOME/lilypond-git/
  export LILYPOND_WEB_MEDIA_GIT=$HOME/lilypond-web-media-git/
 
 Thanks, so I just add these to .bashrc right?

Yes.

 Does this mean the lily-git.tcl script has changed too?

lily-git.tcl has not changed yet, but hopefully it will soon.  And
if it doesn't, there's no big worries: nothing changes for 99% of
developers, and the remaining 1% should be capable of figuring it
out anyway.

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-10 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Graham Percival
gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:

 Thanks, so I just add these to .bashrc right?

 Yes.

 Does this mean the lily-git.tcl script has changed too?

 lily-git.tcl has not changed yet, but hopefully it will soon.  And
 if it doesn't, there's no big worries: nothing changes for 99% of
 developers, and the remaining 1% should be capable of figuring it
 out anyway.


Ok great. Compiling fontforge 20110222 with --enable-double now to
test it. shouldn't take long to get new iso ready.

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 07:18:40AM -0600, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
 Ok great. Compiling fontforge 20110222 with --enable-double now to
 test it. shouldn't take long to get new iso ready.

Forgive me if this is obvious, but have you done all the things
listed here?
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1964
i.e. not just stuff I mentioned in this email thread.

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-10 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Graham Percival
gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 07:18:40AM -0600, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
 Ok great. Compiling fontforge 20110222 with --enable-double now to
 test it. shouldn't take long to get new iso ready.

 Forgive me if this is obvious, but have you done all the things
 listed here?
 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1964
 i.e. not just stuff I mentioned in this email thread.


Hadn't done all yet, thanks. I've been kind of out of the loop so
hadn't followed everything. I'll take care of it.

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-10 Thread Benkő Pál
 I suggested it mainly b/c Ubuntu has very different UI in new
 releases, the Unity DE. For ubuntu 12.04 (next LTS release coming in
 spring) we may want to switch to xfce or switch to Debian completely.
 I can do whatever y'all want.

Lubuntu?

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-10 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:53 AM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote:

 and if you need someone to test it let me know. I've been using nothing else 
 but lilydev and virtual box to compile and patch LP these last couple of 
 years.



Uploading now. Give it about an hour from the timestamp on this email.
Filesize is 850mb so if it shows smaller than that, it's not done
uploading yet.

http://jonkulp.dyndns-home.com/ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso
http://jonkulp.dyndns-home.com/ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso.md5

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-10 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Benkő Pál benko@gmail.com wrote:
 I suggested it mainly b/c Ubuntu has very different UI in new
 releases, the Unity DE. For ubuntu 12.04 (next LTS release coming in
 spring) we may want to switch to xfce or switch to Debian completely.
 I can do whatever y'all want.

 Lubuntu?

My vote would go for Crunchbang since it's based on Debian stable and
won't be having new releases all the time. I run it on almost every
machine under my control. :)

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-10 Thread James
Hello,

On 10 December 2011 14:44, Jonathan Kulp jonlancek...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:53 AM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  and if you need someone to test it let me know. I've been using nothing
 else but lilydev and virtual box to compile and patch LP these last couple
 of years.
 
 

 Uploading now. Give it about an hour from the timestamp on this email.
 Filesize is 850mb so if it shows smaller than that, it's not done
 uploading yet.

 http://jonkulp.dyndns-home.com/ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso
 http://jonkulp.dyndns-home.com/ubuntu-lilydev-remix-2.0.iso.md5

 Thanks for testing, James. :)


Downloading now. My Internet connection is not that fast, so I'll leave it
run over night (it's late here) and then have a go at building LP with it
tomorrow morning/early afternoon BST.

I'll let you know.


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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-10 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 5:06 PM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for testing, James. :)


 Downloading now. My Internet connection is not that fast, so I'll leave it
 run over night (it's late here) and then have a go at building LP with it
 tomorrow morning/early afternoon BST.

 I'll let you know.


I've actually installed it in a VM and built LP successfully, now
building docs (just 'local-doc' not the whole thing) so far seems to
be working great. The new env vars, astyle 2.02.1 and fontforge
20110222 are all in place. Let me know if you encounter anything
weird. :)

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-09 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Graham Percival
gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:
 I think it's time to get this moving:
 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1964
 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor/building-an-ubuntu-distro

 Who's up for it?


I could probably do it again. Maybe Debian would be better base so it
wouldn't need upgrading as much?

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 10:35:36AM -0600, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
 I could probably do it again. Maybe Debian would be better base so it
 wouldn't need upgrading as much?

This upgrade is to match our changing development requirements,
i.e. fontforge 20110222 --enable-double, astyle 2.02, having the
user profile set up with $LILYPOND_GIT, etc.  Not because of any
problems in ubuntu 10.04 itself.

oh wait, were you referring to Ubuntu's frequent security updates?
Well, I suppose that Debian probably has fewer... but I'd rather
stay with ubuntu.  All our windows contributors are accustomed to
it by now, and there's plenty of newbie-oriented help online for
ubuntu.

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Re: lilydev 2.0

2011-12-09 Thread James
hello

On 10 Dec 2011, at 01:38, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 10:35:36AM -0600, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
 I could probably do it again. Maybe Debian would be better base so it
 wouldn't need upgrading as much?
 
 This upgrade is to match our changing development requirements,
 i.e. fontforge 20110222 --enable-double, astyle 2.02, having the
 user profile set up with $LILYPOND_GIT, etc.  Not because of any
 problems in ubuntu 10.04 itself.
 
 oh wait, were you referring to Ubuntu's frequent security updates?
 Well, I suppose that Debian probably has fewer... but I'd rather
 stay with ubuntu.  All our windows contributors are accustomed to
 it by now, and there's plenty of newbie-oriented help online for
 ubuntu.
 

and if you need someone to test it let me know. I've been using nothing else 
but lilydev and virtual box to compile and patch LP these last couple of years. 



James
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