gregorian notation
Hi, I like lilypond very much and use it for writing scores for my choir. I would love to use it for gregorian (square) notation also, but for this lilypond output is simply not satisfiable. It is obvious from examle given in current documentation: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond-big-page#Ancient-notation. Comparing with Ideas of lilypond essay http://lilypond.org/web/about/automated-engraving/ there is a big contradiction. There are many issues, as discussed already few times, for example here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2006-03/msg00224.html The main issue IMO is spacing. As Juergen Reuter 32 months ago writes: Right, horizontal spacing is a known issue in Gregorian chant notation in Lily. It has been discussed in the past more than once, though without finding a good and easy-to-implement solution. I can believe, it is not easy at all, but I would like to find a way how to change/improve it. I could offer my time (some little part of it), some amount of money, my knowledge in this area (gregorian chant)... Maybe I could do some coding also, but I don't know python yet and because of complexity of the problem it would definitely require some leading. Where to begin? Marek Klein http://gregoriana.sk ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Gregorian Notation
Hi, I was just wondering if anyone is currently working on Gregorian notation, since the manual notes that there are several things that need to be fixed. If anyone has any information on what needs work, or who to contact who would know that best, please let me know. I'm considering a project that will make use of Lilypond, and, while lack of Gregorian notation isn't a show-stopper, it would be a huge benefit. Thanks. JF ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Gregorian Notation
If you search the mailing list archives, you will get a better picture of the current status. /Mats Quoting Joshua Facemyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I was just wondering if anyone is currently working on Gregorian notation, since the manual notes that there are several things that need to be fixed. If anyone has any information on what needs work, or who to contact who would know that best, please let me know. I'm considering a project that will make use of Lilypond, and, while lack of Gregorian notation isn't a show-stopper, it would be a huge benefit. Thanks. JF ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: dot changes break Gregorian notation
Sorry for this late answer, but I am still overloaded with work... :-( On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Joe Neeman wrote: On Wednesday 11 July 2007 17:18, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Joe, your latest changes break the \augmentum stuff in Gregorian notation. (Do a search for `augmentum' and compare the example on the web page created from the current git with the one in http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond-big-page Thanks for the heads-up; I'll have a look soon. Thanks Werner for pointing that out and thanks Joe for looking into it! I am also noticing that in the first table in manual Section 7.7.10.2 (Gregorian square neumes ligatures) the alignment of both the neumes and the text is (again/still?) broken: the letters appear sometimes over the neumes (e.g. in the line 3. Apostropha vel Stropha), sometimes below the neumes (e.g. in the line 7. Pes Quassus). Furthermore, few separate neumes collide (e.g. in the line 5. Clivis vel Flexa the neumes that are marked with letters l and m). I do not know if these problems are related with your (otherwise excellent!) work; I just want to point out that these things broke lately, compared to e.g. lily v2.10. (N.B.: These comments refer to the lily web site as of today, namely http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Gregorian-square-neumes-ligatures versus http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Gregorian-square-neumes-ligatures ). There are some other spacing problems with the Gregorian stuff -- are you in the mood to handle this too? Always happy to fix bugs, particularly if I'm already working on that code. But I'm not really familiar with pre-Baroque notation so I would need to be told exactly what needs fixing. It would be good if I had a decent pile of examples, too, because I'm unlikely to come up with useful ones myself. Most often, there is too much space after ligatures. A good example is the 2nd line of score in 7.7.12 Mensural contexts in the 2.11.27 manual (the San - - - - ctus). The problem is that a ligature consists of multiple note heads that are collapsed into a single coherent set of glyphs, while lily still tries to distribute remaining space *between* these note heads, according to the rythmic duration of each note head. As a result, behind each ligature, the spaces for multiple note heads are cumulated. In fact, for computing the space between musical columns (and only for computing the space), all note heads of a ligature should be considered like a single note head with an unspecified duration (i.e. assume a duration of 0). On the other hand, for assigning ligature glyphs to musical columns, durations do have to be considered, such that e.g. ligatures in different lines of the score that start at the same time are vertically aligned (this assignment to musical columns is already done by the ligature implementation with the help of the Coherent_ligature_engraver::move_related_items_to_column function). There are surely more subtle spacing problems, but I think the above is the most outstanding and pressing one. If that one could be solved, ancient music should hopefully look much better overall. Hope that helps! Greetings thanks, Juergen Joe ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: dot changes break Gregorian notation
On Wednesday 11 July 2007 17:18, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Joe, your latest changes break the \augmentum stuff in Gregorian notation. Thanks, this is fixed. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: dot changes break Gregorian notation
On Thursday 12 July 2007 07:02, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Another regression, BTW, is that now hyphens *always* appear between lyrics syllables, at least in Gregorian notation. Before your changes, hyphens by default have been suppressed in case text syllables can be placed near to each other. Thanks, fixed. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
dot changes break Gregorian notation
Joe, your latest changes break the \augmentum stuff in Gregorian notation. (Do a search for `augmentum' and compare the example on the web page created from the current git with the one in http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond-big-page There are some other spacing problems with the Gregorian stuff -- are you in the mood to handle this too? Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: dot changes break Gregorian notation
On Wednesday 11 July 2007 17:18, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Joe, your latest changes break the \augmentum stuff in Gregorian notation. (Do a search for `augmentum' and compare the example on the web page created from the current git with the one in http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond-big-page Thanks for the heads-up; I'll have a look soon. There are some other spacing problems with the Gregorian stuff -- are you in the mood to handle this too? Always happy to fix bugs, particularly if I'm already working on that code. But I'm not really familiar with pre-Baroque notation so I would need to be told exactly what needs fixing. It would be good if I had a decent pile of examples, too, because I'm unlikely to come up with useful ones myself. Joe ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: dot changes break Gregorian notation
There are some other spacing problems with the Gregorian stuff -- are you in the mood to handle this too? Always happy to fix bugs, particularly if I'm already working on that code. But I'm not really familiar with pre-Baroque notation so I would need to be told exactly what needs fixing. It would be good if I had a decent pile of examples, too, because I'm unlikely to come up with useful ones myself. OK. I'll prepare something and send it to you together with a scan of the source. Another regression, BTW, is that now hyphens *always* appear between lyrics syllables, at least in Gregorian notation. Before your changes, hyphens by default have been suppressed in case text syllables can be placed near to each other. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
