Antialiasing

2004-03-16 Thread ken 
Now that I have Lilypond working, I have been running it
through some prove out tests.  I want to begin learning how
to write music and would love to have an excellent open
source notation system.  One of the things that jumps out at
me when I view output from Lilypond is that ties, slurs, and
those bars that connect quarter notes (what are they called)
are not antialiased.  Is it possible to get Lilypond to
antialias these lines?  Noteheads appear to be antialiased
so it seems like there must already be a way.

Ken


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Re: Installing Lilypond

2004-03-16 Thread ken 
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:12:12 -0800 (PST), monk Innocent
Lewis wrote:
> Starting from the beginning: I went to the Download
> page for LilyPond 2.0 for Windows. (I am using XP and
> am logged on as the administrator.) I did a
> "shift-click" on the set-up file and then was able to
> install Cygwin. But I never came across a "select"
> page that resembles the one on your page which listed
> LilyPond. What did I do wrong?

The "Select Packages" dialog is just after the "Choose A
Download Site" dialog.  Make sure you select
Publishing:lilypond as well as XFree86:XFree86-prog.  I
couldn't get lilypond to execute until I reran setup and
manually selected the XFree86-prog package.  This package
contains some libraries and headers that are required to get
lilypond working.  Actually, they may only be needed for the
downstream tools (dvips or something).

Does the Lilypond development team maintain the Cygwin
package?  If so, please consider adding the XFree86-prog as
a dependency of Lilypond.

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Installing Lilypond

2004-03-16 Thread monk Innocent Lewis 
Dear friendly computer wizards,

Starting from the beginning: I went to the Download
page for LilyPond 2.0 for Windows. (I am using XP and
am logged on as the administrator.) I did a
"shift-click" on the set-up file and then was able to
install Cygwin. But I never came across a "select"
page that resembles the one on your page which listed
LilyPond. What did I do wrong?

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Re: LaTeX and Lilypond

2004-03-16 Thread Graham Percival 
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:21:23 +0100
Christian Datzko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a friend of mine has pointed out Lilypond to me and I think it's a 
> wonderful program for typesetting music. I am right now working on a 
> musicological paper for the University and want to include some music 
> examples at best quality into the paper. Is it possible to either call 
> Lilypond from within Latex (like through a Latex package) or can I produce 

This is exactly what Lilypond does!  Consult the "lilypond-book" and 
"integrating Lilypond and LaTeX" portion of the manual.

Cheers,
- Graham


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lyrics distance one more time

2004-03-16 Thread David Bobroff 
Sorry that this is so big.  In this example the second set of lyrics are
set too low.  The first set is fine.  I've excerpted this from a much
larger file.  In the previous cues it is all fine.  This is currently
the last vocal cue.  There will be more.

-David

cue = \set fontSize = #-5
part = \set fontSize = #0

inv = {
 \override Staff.NoteHead  #'transparent = ##t
 \override Stem  #'transparent = ##t
 \override Accidental #'style = #'transparent
 \override Dots #'transparent = ##t
}

unv = {
\override Staff.NoteHead  #'transparent = ##f
\override Stem  #'transparent = ##f
\override Accidental #'style = #'default
 \override Dots #'transparent = ##f
}

klef = \notes {
\clef G 
}
euc = \notes {\part \klef}

VoxCues = \notes \context Voice \relative c' {
<<
{
<<

\context Voice = "VoxCue" {
\cue
\inv
c,,4 s8 c8 c4 b8 s \bar "||"
\unv
\euc
}
\lyricsto "VoxCue" \new Lyrics { \override LyricText #'font-size = #-2
\lyrics {
These are just fine.
}
}
>>
}
\\
{
\override Voice.MultiMeasureRest #'staff-position = #0
R1
}
>>
s1
<<
{
<<
\context Voice = "VoxCue" {
\cue
\clef G
\autoBeamOff
\inv
d''2. d8 c
g'2 g,4 s
\unv
\autoBeamOn
\euc
}
\lyricsto "VoxCue" \new Lyrics { \override LyricText #'font-size = #-2
\lyrics {
These are too low!
}
 }
>>
}
\\
{
\override Voice.MultiMeasureRest #'staff-position = #0
R1*3
}
>>
}



instrument = \notes \context Voice \relative c' {

}

\score {
\notes \relative c' {
\time 4/4
\set Staff.minimumVerticalExtent = ##f
\set Staff.verticalExtent = #'(-2 . 0)
\VoxCues
 }
\paper { }
}




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Re: LaTeX and Lilypond

2004-03-16 Thread Jan Kohnert 
Am Dienstag, 16. März 2004 17:21 schrieb Christian Datzko:
> Dear Sir or Madam,
>
> a friend of mine has pointed out Lilypond to me and I think it's a
> wonderful program for typesetting music. I am right now working on a
> musicological paper for the University and want to include some music
> examples at best quality into the paper. Is it possible to either call
> Lilypond from within Latex (like through a Latex package)

Try lilypond-book; it lets you AFAIK write music into a "normal" tex-file.
It is included in the lilypond-package, for documantation try
man lilypond-book

>  or can I produce
> PDF files from Lilypond that have a bounding box set up already so that I
> can include the PDF file as graphics into my paper? Until now I used
> Capella (WHC Software, www.capella.de) to generate PNG files like the one
> attached and included those.

You could also try "lilypond --png" to get a png picture out of your file (OK 
AFAIK the quality is not as brilliant as in the ps/pdf-output
(correct me! :-)), but maybe this is also an option for you.
(check "man lilypond" for more options)

> Thank you for your answer,
> 
> Christian Datzko.

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LaTeX and Lilypond

2004-03-16 Thread Christian Datzko 
Dear Sir or Madam,

a friend of mine has pointed out Lilypond to me and I think it's a 
wonderful program for typesetting music. I am right now working on a 
musicological paper for the University and want to include some music 
examples at best quality into the paper. Is it possible to either call 
Lilypond from within Latex (like through a Latex package) or can I produce 
PDF files from Lilypond that have a bounding box set up already so that I 
can include the PDF file as graphics into my paper? Until now I used 
Capella (WHC Software, www.capella.de) to generate PNG files like the one 
attached and included those.

Thank you for your answer,

Christian Datzko.

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Re: Percussion

2004-03-16 Thread Edward Sanford Sutton, III 
On Tuesday March 16 2004 10:45, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
> A single grace notes without a slur but with a slash is trivial to
> obtain, see
> http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2004-02/msg00122.html

Is there a doc somewhere that would have told me that a grace note with a slur 
has to go under a phrasing slur since it breaks a normal slur?

> > Also, I don't know if anyone's ever brought this up before, but since
> > percussion parts are most often one note, there should be a way to not
> > type the note name every time...something like this:
> >
> > \notes {
> >\time 4/4
> >c'8 16 16 16 16 16 16 8 r8
> >  }
> >
> > Does that make sense to anyone else?

\notes \relative c'{
\time 4/4
c8 c16 c c c c c c8 r
}
is still shorter in my opinion for pieces larger than a short example. c16*6 
would be yet a shorter way though that should make sense. =/

> This feature has been discussed but it was many years ago.
> I'm afraid it may lead to strange ambiguities in the
> syntax.

On the topic of ambiguities, es and ees both are e-flat; I haven't seen it 
documented or used so I avoid it myself. it it normal, correct, and 
acceptable for proper style?


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percussion stuff

2004-03-16 Thread David Bobroff 

> Mostly, I deal with marching percussion, but the same sort of stuff
> applies
> to all percussion really.  The main thing is the slashes through the
> notes,
> and the grace notes without slurs.

Grace notes using \grace do not by default use slurs.  You can also set
the single grace notes to have a slash through them.  This was posted
recently to get that effect:

\grace{\once \property Voice.Stem \override #'stroke-style = #"grace"
your grace note here}

Using \grace will not make a slur.  Using \acciaccatura and \appogiatura
will.

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Re: Percussion

2004-03-16 Thread Mats Bengtsson 
Mostly, I deal with marching percussion, but the same sort of stuff applies
to all percussion really.  The main thing is the slashes through the notes,
and the grace notes without slurs.
A single grace notes without a slur but with a slash is trivial to
obtain, see 
http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2004-02/msg00122.html

If you want it for the full score, try something like
#(add-grace-property "Voice" Stem stroke-style "grace")
and then use \grace
The slashes through beamed stems are not supported at the moment,
but I have the same feature request for a completely different
application. The same notation is used in some early baroque
music.
Also, I don't know if anyone's ever brought this up before, but since
percussion parts are most often one note, there should be a way to not type
the note name every time...something like this:
\notes {
   \time 4/4
   c'8 16 16 16 16 16 16 8 r8
 }
Does that make sense to anyone else?
This feature has been discussed but it was many years ago.
I'm afraid it may lead to strange ambiguities in the
syntax.
   /Mats

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Re: headers with lilypond-book II

2004-03-16 Thread Roland Goretzki 
Hello list, hello Mats,

You wrote:

> The TeX command that typesets the titles also resets the
> definition of mustmakelilypondtitle{}, so if you want
> another title in the same file, you have to repeat
>  \def\mustmakelilypondtitle{}
> before every new score.

Even that I'd tried before, but

> If you get a warning or error when running LaTeX, just press

at the error message

! LaTeX Error: There's no line here to end.

I did'nt go on ...

> 'R' and RETURN and the output will look OK.

Thanks! :)

Okay, this works, but it is a lot of work, if I want to put many little
scores in the lilypond-book.

And exact this is, what I want:
Many little scores in a book.

So at every latex-process I've to give the 'R' and RETURN very often
- too often, I think. :-(

Isn't there a better solution?



Another NEW problem is the distance from the headers to the music:

There are a lot of page-breaks in the book, and the short musicpieces
don't have the same shortness, so the headers are sometimes in a good
looking distance and sometimes far away from the corresponding scores.

What can I do?

Hopeful Roland


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Re: Percussion

2004-03-16 Thread Blake Garretson 
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 10:38:11AM -0500, Scott Webber wrote:
> Also, I don't know if anyone's ever brought this up before, but since
> percussion parts are most often one note, there should be a way to not type
> the note name every time...something like this:
> 
> \notes {
>\time 4/4
>c'8 16 16 16 16 16 16 8 r8
>  }
> 
> Does that make sense to anyone else?

Yes!  When I make lead sheets for rhythm guitar, I often use a
RhythmStaff and slash note heads to indicate strumming patterns.

The result is somthing like:

\notes { \time 4/4 
a8 a8 a4 a4 a8 a8 | 
a8 a8 a4 a4 a8 a8 |
a4 a4 a4 a4 |
etc.
}

In this case, I really only want to indicate durations and leave off
the pitch since it does not matter on a RhythmStaff.  Having said that,
it is not very hard to add the note, but it makes the resulting code
more verbose than necessary. 

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Re: Percussion

2004-03-16 Thread Scott Webber 
Sorry about the double post.  I thought it ignored the first one because it
wasn't plain text...oops.

Here's a couple examples of the kind of stuff I'm talking about:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi2/juniorbrigadedrums/music/files/phanto1.jpg
and here's my favorite snare lick ever:
http://www.angelfire.com/wi2/juniorbrigadedrums/music/files/99breakglassmen.jpg

Mostly, I deal with marching percussion, but the same sort of stuff applies
to all percussion really.  The main thing is the slashes through the notes,
and the grace notes without slurs.

Also, I don't know if anyone's ever brought this up before, but since
percussion parts are most often one note, there should be a way to not type
the note name every time...something like this:

\notes {
   \time 4/4
   c'8 16 16 16 16 16 16 8 r8
 }

Does that make sense to anyone else?

- Original Message - 
From: "David Bobroff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lilypond user discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: Percussion


> At 09:05 AM 3/16/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I just learned about lilypond this week, and am amazed by what it can do.
> >However, I was wondering, does lilypond do standard percussion
articulations
> >such as open rolls, closed rolls, flams, etc.?  If so, how?  Has anyone
> >addressed this with an addon or something?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Scott Webber
>
> Interesting timing.  This topic has come up a couple of times recently.  I
> need to code a piece with percussion myself.  As for flams and ruffs, I
> need them, too, as well as some beamed and slashed grace notes that change
> across different "pitches".  My percussionist friends tell me there are
two
> notations used for "closed" rudiments.  One is to put a tie across the
> "grace notes" to the main note and the other it to put a slash through the
> stem/flag.  LilyPond can do either, but currently cannot put a slash
> through a set of beamed grace notes.  This is what I need to do.
>
> Maybe it's time for a feature request.  Jan, Han-Wen?
>
> -David
>
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Re: number of chords

2004-03-16 Thread David Raleigh Arnold 
On Monday 15 March 2004 19:16, Tiffany Weisman wrote:
> I'm not disagreeing with your logic on jazz chord notation. I'm sure
> that traditionally it would be the right system, and perhaps we could
> highlight the "proper" chords in the documentation. I'm merely saying
> Lilypond should accomodate those who want strange chord symbols and
> other weird things. After all, it is a typesetting program, not a
> bandleader.

True.  But Why make a bandleader unattainable because of clutter?  I
wouln't mind chords being played on acoustic guitar and acoustic bass by
default.  The chord names, like \ch{Cm7}, could be on a percussion staff
or a jazzchord staff or even attached to notes as tab is, in which case
it could print three (including jazzchord name staff) additional staves,
or two or one. Adding bass notes would make a simple list much too
large, so if a bass note other than the root were wanted, then the /3 or
/gis part of the chord name could be written unchanged and a second
argument could supply the note to be substituted for the root.

\ch{C7/3 e}

A similar strategy could do add|omit:

\ch{Ab7(b5)omit" ab, the root of the chord"add" c#"/"cb bass note" aes c 
ces}

That last example is far from reasonable, but if someone wanted such
verbosity they could get it with ease.  My prediction is that none
of it will happen.  daveA

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Percussion

2004-03-16 Thread Scott Webber 
Hi,

I just learned about lilypond this week, and am amazed by what it can do.  However, I 
was wondering, does lilypond do standard percussion articulations such as open rolls, 
closed rolls, flams, etc.?  If so, how?  Has anyone addressed this with an addon or 
something?

Thanks,
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Re: Percussion

2004-03-16 Thread David Bobroff 
At 09:05 AM 3/16/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I just learned about lilypond this week, and am amazed by what it can do.
>However, I was wondering, does lilypond do standard percussion articulations
>such as open rolls, closed rolls, flams, etc.?  If so, how?  Has anyone
>addressed this with an addon or something?
>
>Thanks,
>Scott Webber

Interesting timing.  This topic has come up a couple of times recently.  I
need to code a piece with percussion myself.  As for flams and ruffs, I
need them, too, as well as some beamed and slashed grace notes that change
across different "pitches".  My percussionist friends tell me there are two
notations used for "closed" rudiments.  One is to put a tie across the
"grace notes" to the main note and the other it to put a slash through the
stem/flag.  LilyPond can do either, but currently cannot put a slash
through a set of beamed grace notes.  This is what I need to do.

Maybe it's time for a feature request.  Jan, Han-Wen?

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Percussion

2004-03-16 Thread Scott Webber 
Hi,

I just learned about lilypond this week, and am amazed by what it can do.
However, I was wondering, does lilypond do standard percussion articulations
such as open rolls, closed rolls, flams, etc.?  If so, how?  Has anyone
addressed this with an addon or something?

Thanks,
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Re:

2004-03-16 Thread Mats Bengtsson 
My guess is that you have tried to follow the instructions at
http://lilypond.org/web/download/windows.html
for downloading LilyPond on a windows machine. Could it be that you
don't see all the text of the web page since you didn't maximize
the web browser (I noticed this problem recently)?
Try again to download and run setup.exe and select the lilypond
package ackording to the instructions.
   /Mats

Marcus Bowers wrote:
Hi,

I am trying to download lilypond but when I try to test it all I get is this text 
% This file has ledger lines and a slur

\score { \notes { c4-(  c4-) } }
 I'm not sure what is happening but I would love some guidance.  ThanksMarcus
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Re: headers with lilypond-book II

2004-03-16 Thread Mats Bengtsson 
The TeX command that typesets the titles also resets the
definition of mustmakelilypondtitle{}, so if you want
another title in the same file, you have to repeat
 \def\mustmakelilypondtitle{}
before every new score.
If you get a warning or error when running LaTeX, just press
'R' and RETURN and the output will look OK.
   /Mats

Roland Goretzki wrote:
Hi,

meanwhile (following another tip from Mats, thanks! :)
I've changed the two lines
\input titledefs.tex
\def\preLilyPondExample{\def\mustmakelilypondtitle{}}
to

\input{titledefs}
\def\mustmakelilypondtitle{}
Now it works, but only for the first piece of music (lilypondfile),
which I have in the file buch-probe.tex.
The second or any further files get no headers, still. :-(

Any Ideas?

Hopeful Roland

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Re: Properties & Translators

2004-03-16 Thread Mats Bengtsson 
The best starting point is the Tutorial sections on Setting Variables
and Fine Tuning Layout. Then you can go on to the descriptions in
the user manual. All properties are documented in "Program Reference",
but it's often easiest to find the relevant list of properties if you
follow the links under "See also" in every section of the user manual.
I tried to write an alternative introduction to property settings in
http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2003-10/msg00195.html
maybe that can provide some more help.
Finally, don't forget to look at the "Tips and tricks" and
"Regression tests" documents in the on-line manual. They are
often the best source of information for how to use a specific
feature.
   /Mats

Zbynìk Burget wrote:
Hi,
I was red lilypond manual (info lilypond and lilypond-internals)...
... I wasn't understand functionality of translators. How is difference in
using \property [...] \set [...] or \translator [...]?
lilypond-internals is the only one place, where are described all
properties? Exist some another catalog of properties? lilypond-internals
look very unnoticed to me... :-(
Thanks

Zbynek

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Properties & Translators

2004-03-16 Thread Zbynìk Burget 
Hi,
I was red lilypond manual (info lilypond and lilypond-internals)...
... I wasn't understand functionality of translators. How is difference in
using \property [...] \set [...] or \translator [...]?
lilypond-internals is the only one place, where are described all
properties? Exist some another catalog of properties? lilypond-internals
look very unnoticed to me... :-(

Thanks

Zbynek

(lilypond 2.0.3)







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Re: I'm Stumped

2004-03-16 Thread Mats Bengtsson 


Lyle Raymond wrote:
On Monday 15 March 2004 6:02 am, Mats Bengtsson wrote:


3.  How can I include a transposed series of lead sheet chords above the
second of the two staves?
\transpose should work well also on chords.


Actually, it's not the transposition I'm looking to do.  It's the actual 
placement of chords.  I don't know where to put the code without messing up 
the score.  I'm guessing the answer you've given to the next question might 
help me with this issue, though.
The different contexts of a LilyPond score are typeset in the order
that you first mention them in \score{...}.
If you, for example, start from the melody-chords.ly template at
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.0/input/template/out-www/collated-files.html
and replace the \score section with
\score {
  \notes <<
\new ChordNames {
\property ChordNames.chordChanges = ##t
\harmonies
}
\new Staff \melody
\new ChordNames {
\property ChordNames.chordChanges = ##t
\harmonies
}
\new Staff \melody
  >>
  \paper{ }
  \midi{ }
}
you will get a mixture of staves and chords.
   /Mats

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Re: lyrics distance again

2004-03-16 Thread David Bobroff 
On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 01:16, Rob V wrote:
> David,
> 
> I tested your code with Bert's suggestions about the minimum vertical extent.  I was 
> curious about this myself.  I think this might be what you want.
> 
> 
> 
> cue = \set fontSize = #-5
> part = \set fontSize = #0
> 
> VoxCues = \notes \context Voice \relative c' {
> <<
> {
> <<
> \context Voice = "VoxCue" {
> \cue
> \override Stem #'length = #5
> \clef F
> \autoBeamOff
> d4 a8 c8. a16 fis8
> r4 r8 fis dis b
> \autoBeamOn
> \revert Stem #'length
> \part
> }
> \lyricsto "VoxCue" \new Lyrics {\override LyricText #'font-size = #-2
> \lyrics { 
> Hun- ding w\"ah- le sich, wem er ge- }
>}
> >>  
> }
> \\
> {
> R2.*2
> }
> >>
> }
> 
> instrument = \notes \context Voice \relative c' {
> s2.*2
> \clef G
>  f4.-(-\p-\< b,4-\!-\> c8-)-\!
> }
> 
> \score {
> \notes \relative c' { 
> \time 6/8
> 
> %  This is what I added  %%%
> 
> \set Staff.minimumVerticalExtent = ##f
> \set Staff.verticalExtent = #'(-2 . 0)
> 
> 
> 
> <<
> \VoxCues
> \instrument
> >>
>  }
> \paper { }
> }
> 

Thanks, this works --- mostly.  I had to replace the zero with a
positive number to keep the systems from crowding each other but the
lyrics are nice and close to the staff now.  Actually, I'm using -1.5
instead of -2.  There is an anomoly, though.  There is a snippet of
lyrics which did not move up close to the bottom of the staff.  I'll see
if I can figure out why, or send an isolated example.

-David



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