Re: User Experience Engineering
I'm using Win XP. I use 'Notepad++' editor which is more versatile than 'Notepad' and seems ideal for editing Lilypond programs. Regards to you all, Alan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 6/01/2006 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilytool broke: any suggestions?
Yes, LilyPondTool requires java 1.5. However, if there is no sidekick for the stable 4.2 version of jEdit, it's a major problem, so file a bug for jEdit on www.sf.net/projects/jedit, or write to the jEdit-user list. One more thing to add: the interface for plugins has been radically changed in jEdit 4.3pre3, and I didn't have the time to upgrade. But I will, because we'll need its new features. Also contributions are welcome. The source is in CVS on www.sf.net/projects/lily4jedit Bert A hat lúzer újra együtt! Üvegtigris 2: január 19-től a mozikban! http://www.uvegtigris.hu ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: User Experience Engineering
> >> AFAIK, no java environment ships with windows, so if you want it to work >> out-of-the-box, then, yes you would need to include java in the download. There used to be a Microsoft JVM, but that's history. > >There does (or did?) but outdated and stripped (enough that some java >applets work... But the Java tree component wasn't included some years >ago.. ;) So JRE from sun is needed to work properly AFAIK. >I was thinking of the effort to moving jEdit to JRE 1.5.. That did brake >some apps on gentoo linux and some plugins in jEdit AFAIK. > I dont really get that.. If you upgrade your JRE to 1.5, old applications shouldnt break... unless your old JREs are not removed nicely. But if the application (like lilytool) is compiled using Java 5, then there might be problems running with older java VMs. >So I'm not sure wether it would be a nice idea providing JRE 1.5, >lilypond, jEdit, lil4jedit in one installer.. >This installer should contain JRE installer and launch it >automatically.. and do the same with jEdit? and contain a readme on how >to upgrade things manually (see jEdit plugins and so on..) > >Anyway, would anyone be interested?? If there are a couple of people I >can try putting some effort into this task.. But as as noone is >complaining.. ;-) I think its a great idea! It reminds me of XAMPP http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html (Apache + MySQL, PHP and Perl ++ ... on win/*nix/mac/solaris) Thinking of a packaging, there's a rough idea of what to include and their sizes. JRE 5 = ~7.1 - 20 MB lilypond = ~10MB jEdit = ~2MB lilyTool = ~1MB LilyJHelp= ~15MB Overheads = ~??MB Total = ~ 50MB I support this idea, hopfully it can become a 1 step installation to a "complete" music typesetting package. As for free open source installers, maybe IzPack Java Software http://www.izforge.com/ could be used,. > >Happy New not much grown up yet year ! > >Marc Wishing you all the best for this year too! Joshua ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
GNU clarification
I was not able to (quckly) find this info on the site or in the list archives. Suppose I want to use Lilypond to generate output which would then be inserted into a book which I intend to sell: 1. is this a violation of the GNU? 2. if not, what attribution (if any) needs to be present in the final materials? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Install 2.7.27 on Linux
Hi all, could anybody please explain how to install LP 2.7.27 on linux? I was perfectly happy with the autopackage, this shell-script seems not to work on my system (I tried right click => execute in shell, a shell opened, but vanished the next moment, and nothig - at least not lilypond - was installed). Why not use autopackage anymore? Best wishes, John ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
lilypond 2.7.27-1 doesn't install and work
Hi, I tryed to install lilypond-2.7.27-1.linux.sh but it doesn't work. Opening the file with vim, I saw that there was an error in line 85: $lilydir -xzf should be $lilydir -xjf Another problem is in the file lilypond in ~/bin: the line should end with $* But I am not able to solve the last problem: lilypond fails to generate the pdf file... Is it possible to solve these problems? Have fun with Lilypond! Enrico ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: GNU clarification
Copyright only apply to the work parts of a work originated by humans. So it is not possible to claim copyrights for mere machine processing, and no acknowledgment is needed for that. It is though possible, in part, to restrict the use of a copyright, as long as it it does not restrict customary use of ownership of copyrighted material. For example, if you own a copyrighted book, you can freely sell it or do whatever you want to do with it, as long as it does not violate the rights of the copyright owner (like reprinting would), and it is not possible for the copyright owner to restrict that owner right. Computer software is in this respect no different than books; see: http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/wct/index.html http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/wct/trtdocs_wo033.html http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html If work is made up by differently copyrighted components, different legal principles apply. For example, if a composer makes a work, which a performer performs in an recording, then there was a case involving the Beastie Boys (see the Usenet newsgroup rec.music.theory), where the performer, but not the composer part, was viewed as copyrighted. The legal principle indicated by the court is that for a material to be considered copyrighted, there must be sufficiently creative human work involved to make it unique. The snipped from the composition was too short to make it attributable to the composers special creative imagination. And as for licenses, they must be properly legally registered for each licensee (in advance of any purchase or use), as the user must give up the owner rights granted by copyrights. So most licenses sprinkled by the computer industry are probably not legally valid due to absent or improper legal registration, but copyright still apply. On 9 Jan 2006, at 17:44, Vaylor Trucks wrote: I was not able to (quckly) find this info on the site or in the list archives. Suppose I want to use Lilypond to generate output which would then be inserted into a book which I intend to sell: 1. is this a violation of the GNU? 2. if not, what attribution (if any) needs to be present in the final materials? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: GNU clarification
"Vaylor Trucks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was not able to (quckly) find this info on the site or in the list > archives. Suppose I want to use Lilypond to generate output which > would then be inserted into a book which I intend to sell: > > 1. is this a violation of the GNU? I believe you mean the GPL? no, it's not a violation. You can do whatever you want with the output lilypond generates. The license applies to the source code of the program itself (i.e. the source code of lilypond). > 2. if not, what attribution (if any) needs to be present in the final >materials? none, but you are welcomed to keep the "Music engraving by lilypond" tag in your files. Or better yet, mention lilypond in the colophon section. Or even better, if you make lots of money selling the book, consider making a donation to the project. :-) Pedro ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: GNU clarification
Vaylor Trucks wrote: I was not able to (quckly) find this info on the site or in the list archives. Suppose I want to use Lilypond to generate output which would then be inserted into a book which I intend to sell: 1. is this a violation of the GNU? GNU is a project, you're confusing the GNU GPL, a license, with the GNU project. The output of Lily is not GPL'd, so you're free to do with that as you please. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: GNU clarification
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 05:25:41PM -0200, Pedro Kröger wrote: > > 1. is this a violation of the GNU? > > I believe you mean the GPL? no, it's not a violation. You can do > whatever you want with the output lilypond generates. The license > applies to the source code of the program itself (i.e. the source code > of lilypond). And binary distributions, too. Which isn't important in this case, since only the output is to be distributed. But what about the fonts, which are included in "binary" form in each printout generated by LilyPond -- maybe even if printed on paper. Ciao, Kili -- "We're still waiting for the Vatican to officially canonize this kernel, but trust me, that's only a matter of time. It's a little known fact, but the Pope likes penguins too." -- Linus Torvalds ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Install 2.7.27 on Linux
John Wiedenhoeft wrote: Hi all, could anybody please explain how to install LP 2.7.27 on linux? I was perfectly happy with the autopackage, this shell-script seems not to work on my system (I tried right click => execute in shell, a shell opened, but vanished the next moment, and nothig - at least not lilypond - was installed). As was noted by someone, the sh archive erroneously uses tar -xzf iso. tar -xjf for extraction. This will be adressed in the next release Why not use autopackage anymore? We have various issues with autopackage, not in the least technical, but most importantly, their development team does not take our complaints in the least bit serious. The fact that it seems impossible to compile autopackage without autopackage itself (ie. it's not possible to cross compile it) was the straw that broke the camel's back. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: User Experience Engineering
I'm not sure if Sun Java licensing allows include JRE 1.5, but creating a windows installer with nsis or java installer with something else is an easy task, so contributions are very welcome. Bert ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Install 2.7.27 on Linux
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: John Wiedenhoeft wrote: Hi all, could anybody please explain how to install LP 2.7.27 on linux? I was perfectly happy with the autopackage, this shell-script seems not to work on my system (I tried right click => execute in shell, a shell opened, but vanished the next moment, and nothig - at least not lilypond - was installed). As was noted by someone, the sh archive erroneously uses tar -xzf iso. tar -xjf for extraction. This will be adressed in the next release Changing the z to a j just gave a corrupted file message. Paul Scott ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: GNU clarification
Vaylor Trucks writes: > I was not able to (quckly) find this info on the site or in the list > archives. Suppose I want to use Lilypond to generate output which > would then be inserted into a book which I intend to sell: > > 1. is this a violation of the GNU? What makes you think that? > 2. if not, what attribution (if any) needs to be present in the final >materials? Unless you distribute parts of LilyPond itself, there are no obligations. If you think LilyPond is useful, you are encouraged to support the project by mentioning LilyPond was used to produce your book. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: User Experience Engineering
> As for free open source installers, maybe IzPack Java Software > http://www.izforge.com/ could be used,. -- begin quote from website -- IzPack is an installers generator for the Java platform. It produces lightweight installers that can be run on any operating system _where a Java virtual machine_ is available. -- end quote -- No it can't.. :-) But it shouldn't be hard to find another one.. Anoter question.. Can one deinstaller automatically dinstall other packages (this one should deinstall JRE (is this a good idea?), jedit and lilypond).. Perhaps it's easier to write a JS or bat or whatever script which downloads the installer and launches them in order.. (with them hopefully not asking "restart computer" before having finished..) *g* Marc ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: GNU clarification
Matthias Kilian writes: > But what about the fonts We have made a special exception for fonts embedded in documents, see the file COPYING distributed with LilyPond. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Three Questions
Hi. I'm relatively new to Lilypond. I experimented with it and explored the Fine Manual quite extensively. I'm qorking now on a Project Gutenberg project, which means the .pdf output needs to resemble the Original Score as closely as possible. I have three questions. 1) Can I hide, from the pdf output, the time signature at the beginning of a score? (I've done the 2nd line of notes as a separate score, because it has an additional Voice & Lyrics staff not existing in the the 1st line.) Alternatively, can I have the 1st line of notes in a score having only Piano staves, and the following lines with an additional Voice & Lyrics staff, in the same score? 2) How can I add parentheses around notes? (Look at the scanned image -- link below -- to see what I mean. It's the two connected 16ths at the end of the 2nd line, the 1st one with lyrics.) 3) How do I coax Lilypond into displaying the extra word "There" at the end of the 2nd (middle) Lyrics line of that same music line? The Voice staff has a polyphony, i.e. an 8th rest on top and two connected 16ths beneath. You can look at a scanned image of the Original Score at http://www.pgdp.net/c/tools/project_manager/displayimage.php?project=project ID432e074b4d781&imagefile=066.png. You can look at the part of it I so far managed to put into .ly at http://www.pgdp.net/c/tools/project_manager/downloadproofed.php?project=proj ectID432e074b4d781&image=066.png&round_num=3 Any suggestions will be welcome. - Nov ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilytool broke: any suggestions?
Stephen Corey kirjoitti: > > Tried Tim's suggestions and he is correct and this does at least seem to > be the bulk of the problem. I have read that there are still some issues > with java and x86_64 and would prefer to just revert to jEdit 4.2, > Lilytool 2.7, and all compatible plugins as I have a deadline approaching. > Could anyone email me the correct jar files or point to a source for > them? Stephen, the correct SideKick plugin version (0.34) for jEdit 4.2 is now available on the jEdit Plugin Central website. To my knowledge 4.2 runs well on java 1.5, so maybe you can use lilytool 2.9; I have done so in SuSE 10.0 on x86. My best wishes, Tapio ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilytool broke: any suggestions?
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:50:25 +0200, Tapio Tuovila wrote: > Stephen Corey kirjoitti: >> >> Tried Tim's suggestions and he is correct and this does at least seem to >> be the bulk of the problem. I have read that there are still some issues >> with java and x86_64 and would prefer to just revert to jEdit 4.2, >> Lilytool 2.7, and all compatible plugins as I have a deadline approaching. >> Could anyone email me the correct jar files or point to a source for >> them? > Stephen, > the correct SideKick plugin version (0.34) for jEdit 4.2 is now > available on the jEdit Plugin Central website. > To my knowledge 4.2 runs well on java 1.5, so maybe you can use lilytool > 2.9; I have done so in SuSE 10.0 on x86. > > My best wishes, > Tapio To everyone who offered suggestions, Thank You Thank You Thank You ! ! ! Up and running again, reverted back to 4.2, 2.7, and all relative plugins with your assistance. I'll try upgrading again once I get java issues worked out on my system. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Positioning of tremolo marks
Hi, I checked the source file http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.7/Documentation/user/lilypond/lily-1721430265.ly for the tremolo mark, but I don't see any special commands which make them slanted as by default, the tremolo marks produced by Lilypond 2.7.27 are perpendicular to the notestem if the note value is at least an 8th note and is beamed to another note. I still don't know how to vertically move the tremolo mark though. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Inputting special symbols
Hi, I'm just wondering if we can use utf-8 to input Chinese (or other Asian) characters as well? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
