Re: Hebrew, UTF-8, etc.
You could also use Crimson Editor (http://www.crimsoneditor.com/). Its lightweight, but yet very powerful (syntax highlighting etc.) Cheers, John ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Homepage/ navigation/ download page needs some more guidance
Hi. I've started a German translation of the website some time again.. I had a lot other stuff to do.. But now I want investigate some time again. The first time I saw the homepage I felt some kind of lost... The first thing: I didn't know exactly where I was.. (the [] at the top aren't that noticable if you keep in mind that the whole side does change).. (that was my first impression).. Why not use some light background color additional to the sourrounding [ ] reminding you where you are exactly? If you see this at the top: (both should be centered, can't do this here): Home Introduction About[Download] Documentation Development Sponsoring FinkCygwinFirst use User help you can't notice that Fink/Cygwin/First use/ User help are _sub_ items because all is equally in font face, color, appearance. It would be much better making the first line bold/ having a light colored background or something like this. My suggestion would look like this (### beeing some light gray +++ beeing whit or some even lighter gray .. ;-) : ### Home ### Introduction ### About ### [Download] ### Documentation ### Development ### Sponsoring ### +++ Fink +++ Cygwin +++ First use +++ User help ++ When clicking on download you will see the links: Fink | Cygwin | First use | User help - dowloads GNU/linux: debian Fedora SUSE Slackware ubunto any x86 - other : win win cygwin MacOSX/Fink source The same for developement and old branch.. (you can see here that it's really much information to read.. much more then you need) Here I don't know where to look at at the first glance: subheaders (fink ? What is this cygwin? Ah I know.. It's for windows.. (you will miss native port?) .. I don't know how many people are using the old branch (and still want to download it..) sourceforge is hiding anything but the lastest by default.. And anyone who wants to download lilypond wants to download this for his OS, not for a combination (linux and Mac for example).. So why not introduce 3(+2) short links _GNU/linux_ _Windows_ _Mac (FINK)_ smallsource (warning)/small after downloading, read our _Getting Started Guide_ There is also our _developement branch_ small(use if you are not satisfied with the features) /small and our _old branch_ small(use if you want to stick with the old syntax you are satisfied with the provided features)/small Then all you have to read is linux windows Mac Getting Started (- The which editor to use issue here) (source) developement old with links to the GNU/linux download, Windows (native/cygwin) port and Fink port.. beeing only 4+3 chunks of information and you are informed... Then you can also add some short information about wether to use cygwin/ native and what Fink is about on the subpage (does every Mac user know? I think it's comparabe to that not every Windows user does know cygwin.. but I don't know many Mac users..) Then you know immediately where to click on and Windows users won't be bothered with reading Fedora? Don't know. Ubunto? Heard about in the radio.. and so on. The only thing you having seen there are so many distros.. but who cares? You want to use lilypond.. and if you change os you also have seen that there are other ports, too. That was just my humpled opinion. What do you think? Marc PS: I will look at the documentation and post my comments, too! Oh. my tea got cold.. ;-) Have a nice day ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
parallel versus series scoring
I'm a newcomer to lilypond, having previously used abc. One thing I find vexing is how to enter scores so it is easy to see all the staves on the screen at the same time during coding (i.e. in the source code). The Lilypond manual explains well how to code this way: staff1, all measures staff2, all measures staff3, all measures With compositions of any length, this means you can't see in the source, for instance, measure 57 from all staves at the same time, except perhaps with awkward editor screen splits. I'd prefer to have this organization in the source: staff1,measure-group1 staff2,measure-group1 staff3,measure-group1 % staff1,measure-group2 staff2,measure-group2 staff3,measure-group2 This is how I'm accustomed to coding in abc, and what I like about it is that I get to the point where I can compose this way, without having to use paper first. In a sense, the source is organized similarly to the actual score, with staves aligned vertically and the notes proceeding to the right. I suppose it would be possible to do this with the simple expedient of using one text line for each staff, no matter how long it is, but then it's not particularly scrollable or printable. A better solution would be to break each staff up into measure groups that fit in a conveniently-sized line of source. Two ways I can think of that might work would be... 1. assign measure groups to separate strings, then concatenate the strings 2. change contexts on the fly, adding notes to each staff in turn (like abc) Unfortunately I'm having a hard time figuring out how to do either. Could any seasoned lilyponders offer me some coding advice, and help me across the pond, so to speak? Thanks... David View this message in context: parallel versus series scoring Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User forum at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Double clefs?
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 07.40, amhso (sent by Nabble.com) wrote:
I'm new to all this lilypond. I used to use noteworhty so this is a big
change for me. anyways... Picture of my situation . I don't get how to
format all this stuff. feels like programming. How do i make the second
clef disappear? and that big tie on the bottom. here's my code too
This is the infamous grace note bug. When a piece starts with a grace note,
this note starts at negative time, and since you added \clef treble
_simultaneously_ with the music, that clef change comes at time 0, which is
_after_ the grace notes. A sufficient solution in this case is to do
\new Voice { ... } instead of \new Voice ... , in more complex situations
with multiple staffs, you need to insert dummy skips. There are some hints in
the documentation for grace notes.
As for the other problems, sequential appoggiaturas should be done as:
\appoggiatura { cis16[ b16 cis16] }
hope this helps,
--
Erik
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TEX-Backend
Hi list, does anyone have some experience with the TEX-Backend of lilypond (2.7.27, debian). I tried: lilypond -b tex --tex test.ly But latex test.tex fails with ... ! Package inputenc Error: Keyboard character used is undefined (inputenc)in inputencoding `latin1'. I also tried: lilypond -b texstr test.ly GNU LilyPond 2.7.27 »test.ly« wird verarbeitet Analysieren... Interpretation der Musik...[5] Vorverarbeitung der grafischen Elemente... Berechne Zeilenumbrüche... [3][5] Zeilenumbrüche werden berechnet... Layout nach »test.texstr« ausgeben.../usr/local/share/lilypond/2.7.27/scm/output-texstr.scm:19:1: In procedure map in expression (map (lambda # #) (ly:all-stenc il-expressions)): /usr/local/share/lilypond/2.7.27/scm/output-texstr.scm:19:1: Wrong type argument in position 2: (translate-stencil () . #0#) Test.tex is empty. Is this a bug or did I somthing wrong. Thanks for any hint Georg ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
How to invoke Lilypond-book (Windows / Ubuntu)
I've succesfully installed Lilypond 2.7.27-4 in Windows and in Ubuntu Breezy (the autopackage - I would suggest using sudo sh lilypond-X.Y.Z.linux.sh to avoid path problems here). However, I don't know how to invoke lilypond-book in any of this systems. I can't even find a lilypond-book executive, only a py script. Can someone please help me? Regards, Bostjan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: parallel versus series scoring
Well, I don't know if Lilypond provides something like this. What I do sometimes is using a spreadsheet editor (OOo Calc, Excel) with one cell per bar. With this method, you are not limited to one dimension, but have two, as in a real score. You can stack simultaneous bars under each other. You can also use cell references to structure your score. Cheers, John ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Migration from Finale: music xml or etf
Form which format of Finale files (music xml or ETF) I will get better Lilypond file (some notation details like dynamic, key/tempo chenges, maybe fingering etc. ) ?? I can run finale under linux, but without music xml support, but if that format is better i'll do it under windows :-(.. Regards Tomasz ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: force distance between bars for chord only staff
May I ask again for assistance on this point ? no feedback for the moment, did I miss to communicate some information ? Thanks, Freddy. On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:23:23 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(r) Pro* Hi, I'm trying use 2.6.x to produce jazz staff without the melody staff. My problem is I would like to get 4 measure per line with the same distance between bars. It looks lilypond affects different distances on each measure depending on the number of chords per measure, and finaly the staff is not easy to read. I've read a bit the documentation about the SpannerSpacing interface. But because I'm a newbie with lilypond I'm not able to use it properly, that's the reason why I ask lilypond users to give me some help ! Additionnaly, if you know about websites on which I could find lilypond templates for jazz staff, I've tryed to found this with google, but I didn't success with this too... Thanks, Freddy. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Hebrew, UTF-8, etc.
You could also use Crimson Editor (http://www.crimsoneditor.com/). Yeahp ! Adopted ! Yet I love Scite; Her the Lilypond syntaxe highlight ! (long url http://www.crimsoneditor.com/english/board/ CrazyWWWBoard.cgi?db= filesmode=readnum=1657page= 1ftype=6fval=lilypondbackdepth=1 ) small url : http://tinyurl.com/9hxhw for auto-detec syntaxe write in a the pad : LANGSPEC:Lilypond.SPC KEYWORDS:Lilypond.KEY save the with filename extension.ly in the C:\Program Files\Crimson Editor\link ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: parallel versus series scoring
On 18-Jan-06, at 2:15 AM, -DeeT (sent by Nabble.com) wrote: I'm a newcomer to lilypond, having previously used abc. One thing I find vexing is how to enter scores so it is easy to see all the staves on the screen at the same time during coding (i.e. in the source code). See sly at http://openguitar.com/lyutilities.html Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
2.7.27-4 development windows question/problem
Installed lilypond-2.7.27-4.mingw.exe and also the -3 version afterwards on a new systemwith winxp pro sp2. The install went along a bit then failed with a message aboutguile.exe I have installed the cygwin versions in the past but never liked the cygwin process for selecting components (mainly because I have dial up) I have used mingw and like it so was pleased that it is being used. Just thought I would mention this install problem in case anyone knows about it and how to proceed or can comment on what I might be doing wrong. ThanksI mainly do everything on linux but like to keep the windows updated ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Hebrew, UTF-8, etc.
Quoting martial [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hello Is there a known bug in Notepad concerning UTF-8, or is it UTF-8 encoding incompatible with Lilypond? On the contrary, LilyPond only knows about UTF-8, since version 2.6.0, see the manual. If you use The Windows NotePad they can not save in UFT-8 ! Certainly it can, at least in Windows XP (unfortunately not in Win98, though)! If you want a simple textEditor use NotePad2 http://www.flos-freeware.ch/notepad2.html in the file menu choise code UFT-8 Or look at the latest weeks discussions on different text editors in the mailing list archives. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Migration from Finale: music xml or etf
Form which format of Finale files (music xml or ETF) I will get better Lilypond file (some notation details like dynamic, key/tempo chenges, maybe fingering etc. ) ?? I can run finale under linux, but without music xml support, but if that format is better i'll do it under windows :-(.. MusicXML2ly is quite recent. What's there is high quality, but it's still under development. It does take quite a lot of work off your shoulders already, especially for monophonic and homophonic work. shameless plug Some of the planned musicxml2ly features are still waiting for a sponsor, though: http://lilypond-design.com/sponsor/open-features.html (one or two of these have already been implemented) /shameless plug I've not used etf2ly, and I don't know how accurately it works. I do know that the last little bit of coding work on etf2ly has been done in 2004/10. This means you'll at least have to run the result of your conversion through convert-ly to be able to use it in a recent Lilypond. I would also take into account the fact that etf is a dying prorietary format for which future support is less likely than MusicXML. For archival reasons, you'll probably want to have your music in MusicXML anyway, rather than etf, mus or whatever. Mark -- Mark Van den Borre Noormannenstraat 113 3000 Leuven, België +32 486 961726 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: TEX-Backend
Hi, On Wednesday 18 January 2006 12:06, Georg Dummer wrote: ! Package inputenc Error: Keyboard character used is undefined (inputenc)in inputencoding `latin1'. I seem to recall having seen something of that kind when saving LaTeX source files (unrelated to lilypond) with UTF-8 encoding activated instead of ISO-8859-1 in my text editor (xemacs). This might be an issue if you have, for instance, german umlauts. Did you try that? Can't say anything about the other stuff, sorry. Thomas -- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: writing Irish Traditional music
Hi. is there any recommended sources of info on writing Irish Tradition tunes using Lilypond ? Are there specifics for Irish music? (For example, how does one stipulate rolls ?) See: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.6/Documentation/user/lilypond/Tremolo-subdivisions.html#Tremolo-subdivisions Does anyone have any hints for a fast: editor - score - midi revision cycles ? What do you mean? [I just do what you described below.] I use timidity and xemacs. I see no point in involving products like Rosegarden or Noteedit et al. I just key the Lilypond source straight into the file using xemacs and then browse the score and listen to the midi, before doing corrections. Best, Gilles ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Fw: again: PDF size
- Original Message - From: Eduardo Vieira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas Scharkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:38 PM Subject: Re: again: PDF size Well I don't have answers, but I replying to keep the subject alive, because it interests me too. I also noticed that after version 2.7.17(?) the program Acrobat Distiller can't convert Lilypond's ps into pdf: It gives this error message: %%[ Error: undefined; OffendingCommand: Â ]%% Stack: -dict- false %%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%% %%[ Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %% - Or else: %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: pdfmark; ErrorInfo: Border --nostringval-- ]%% Stack: /ANN /Link /Subtype -dict- /Action [0 0 0 0] /Border [9.99055 -54.0783 11.0906 -51.0783] /Rect -dict- %%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%% %%[ Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %% Cheers, Eduardo - Original Message - From: Thomas Scharkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: again: PDF size Nobody answered to my mail from Wednesday (Jan 11), so maybe I am the only one who has this problem? I wrote: -- I have noticed that the size of the pdfs produced by lily 2.7.27 on (windows xp) is much bigger than in previous versions. I have tested the same file unchanged with 2.7.18 Win 44 KB 2.7.23 Win 44 KB 2.7.27 Win 1.220 KB -- Another example: The pdfs produced by lily 2.7.27 are nearly as big as the ps-files! ps 1.768 KB pdf 1.343 KB Now I tried to convert the same ps manually with gs 8.51 and the resulting pdf is 91 KB! It seems there is something wrong with the lilypond gs setup. Any hints? Thank you, Thomas ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Migration from Finale: music xml or etf
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 16.37, Tomasz Bojczuk wrote: Form which format of Finale files (music xml or ETF) I will get better Lilypond file (some notation details like dynamic, key/tempo chenges, maybe fingering etc. ) ?? I don't know what's better currently, but I have a feeling that MusicXML import will improve more over time, and be better maintained, than ETF import. I can run finale under linux, but without music xml support, how? why without XML? -- Erik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: About some extra .exe files in the bin folder
Just to give the chance one more chance... sorry if I'm too insistent. - Original Message - From: Eduardo Vieira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: About some extra .exe files in the bin folder Hello list, I'm using the Windows native version of Lilypond (2.7.26-1) and have questions: 1) Why are there three text editors? Namely: lilypad, lilypad-ascii and lilypad-unicode. None of the can produce utf-8 files, right? 2) Why are there three Lilypond applications? Namely: lilypond, lilypond-windows, lilypond-windows-orig. Each has a size of 4.144Kb. If having only one of them is enough, wouldn't removing 2 of them make the install file smaller? Regards, Eduardo Vieira ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
using \include for fret diagrams
I've been thinking about using fret diagrams in various lead sheets for singing and finding it awkward to use fret diagrams. If I wrote a fret.ly file with my usual set of frets in it can I include it as you would files such as english.ly etc? Actually I know you can do this; probably what I'm asking is what would the file look like? Shelagh ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Fw: again: PDF size
See the documentation: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.7/Documentation/user/lilypond.html#Point-and-click The point and click links enlarge the output files significantly. For reducing the size of PDF and PS files, point and click may be switched off by issuing #(ly:set-option 'point-and-click #f) in a .ly file. Alternately, you may pass this as an command-line option lilypond -dno-point-and-click file.ly I have noticed that the size of the pdfs produced by lily 2.7.27 on (windows xp) is much bigger than in previous versions. I have tested the same file unchanged with 2.7.18 Win 44 KB 2.7.23 Win 44 KB 2.7.27 Win 1.220 KB -- Toine Schreurs -- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How to invoke Lilypond-book (Windows / Ubuntu)
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 19.18, Bostjan Kuzman wrote: I've succesfully installed Lilypond 2.7.27-4 in Windows and in Ubuntu Breezy (the autopackage - I would suggest using sudo sh lilypond-X.Y.Z.linux.sh to avoid path problems here). However, I don't know how to invoke lilypond-book in any of this systems. I can't even find a lilypond-book executive, only a py script. lilypond-book _is_ a python script, and it should be marked executable. Try running it! -- Erik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Migration from Finale: music xml or etf
Alle 23:31, mercoledì 18 gennaio 2006, Mark Van den Borre ha scritto: MusicXML2ly is quite recent. What's there is high quality, but it's still under development. It does take quite a lot of work off your shoulders already, especially for monophonic and homophonic work. I think that, at the moment, it could be a very useful alternative the xml2ly converter by Guido Amoruso. Have you ever tried it? It's a nice piece of software and its output is very neat. Also, it supports some features that musicxml2ly doesn't support yet. The xml2ly converter has been posted in the mailing list, so I think it could be easily found in the archives. Best regards, Gianluca ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Double clefs?
i did /new Staff instead. Thanks very much it works well. I dont know how to edit the lower style part.
\score {
\context PianoStaff
\context Staff = violin
\global
\clef treble
\layout {
\context {
\Score
\override SpacingSpanner #'spacing-increment = #3
}
}
\midi {
\tempo 4 = 54
}
}
%% Local Variables:
%% coding: utf-8
%% End:
the /score area. I don't need a midi so I could get rid of that. But I don't know what each tag/syntax means. does the /score just mean it puts together each of the parts that are listed?
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Re: 2.7.27-4 development windows question/problem
coralline algae writes: Installed lilypond-2.7.27-4.mingw.exe and also the -3 version afterwards on a new system with winxp pro sp2. The install went along a bit then failed with a message about guile.exe Please try -5 and/or post the exact message you get. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
