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Re: "Alla breve" music function

2006-10-04 Thread Markus Schneider

Hi Arvid,

thanks a lot! This is exactly what I was looking for!

Cheers,
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Lilypond hangs when invoked

2006-10-04 Thread Vivian Barty-Taylor

I'm using 2.9.16 for Mac OSX.I'm trying to invoke Lilypond from the command line because I need to create SVG output.I type:lilypond.app/contents/MacOS/LilyPond -f svg lpfiles/treble.lyand Lilypond does... precisely nothing! The Terminal window I am using just hangs.I'm not a programmer, or experienced in using UNIX systems, so appreciate I may be making a simple mistake! Any advice would be appreciated.Cheers,Vivian.
		 
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Re: Lilypond hangs when invoked

2006-10-04 Thread Mats Bengtsson


I recommend that you first verify that you can run LilyPond normally
from the command line, i.e. that
lilypond.app/contents/MacOS/LilyPond lpfiles/treble.ly
(or some version of that, I don't use MacOS myself) works correctly. Ones
you have managed to do that, it's just to add the extra options you want.
By the way, I think you want
-b svg
and nothing else.

  /Mats

Vivian Barty-Taylor wrote:

I'm using 2.9.16 for Mac OSX.

I'm trying to invoke Lilypond from the command line because I need to 
create SVG output.


I type:

lilypond.app/contents/MacOS/LilyPond -f svg lpfiles/treble.ly

and Lilypond does... precisely nothing! The Terminal window I am using 
just hangs.


I'm not a programmer, or experienced in using UNIX systems, so 
appreciate I may be making a simple mistake! Any advice would be 
appreciated.


Cheers,
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Re: Lilypond hangs when invoked

2006-10-04 Thread Vivian Barty-Taylor

I tried that and it doesn't. Does anyone know if the executable I'm calling is actually the right one? I found it inside the LilyPond.app package, and assumed it was what I needed, but maybe I'm wrong.- Original Message From: Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Vivian Barty-Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.orgSent: Wednesday, 4 October, 2006 1:36:16 PMSubject: Re: Lilypond hangs when invokedI recommend that you first verify that you can run LilyPond normallyfrom the command line, i.e. thatlilypond.app/contents/MacOS/LilyPond lpfiles/treble.ly(or some
 version of that, I don't use MacOS myself) works correctly. Onesyou have managed to do that, it's just to add the extra options you want.By the way, I think you want-b svgand nothing else.   /MatsVivian Barty-Taylor wrote:> I'm using 2.9.16 for Mac OSX.>> I'm trying to invoke Lilypond from the command line because I need to > create SVG output.>> I type:>> lilypond.app/contents/MacOS/LilyPond -f svg lpfiles/treble.ly>> and Lilypond does... precisely nothing! The Terminal window I am using > just hangs.>> I'm not a programmer, or experienced in using UNIX systems, so > appreciate I may be making a simple mistake! Any advice would be > appreciated.>> Cheers,> Vivian.>>> > Now you can scan emails quickly with a
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Re: Lilypond hangs when invoked

2006-10-04 Thread Mats Bengtsson


Please read section "Notes for the MacOS X app" in the manual.

  /Mats

Vivian Barty-Taylor wrote:
I tried that and it doesn't. Does anyone know if the executable I'm 
calling is actually the right one? I found it inside the LilyPond.app 
package, and assumed it was what I needed, but maybe I'm wrong.


- Original Message 
From: Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Vivian Barty-Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
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Subject: Re: Lilypond hangs when invoked

I recommend that you first verify that you can run LilyPond normally
from the command line, i.e. that
lilypond.app/contents/MacOS/LilyPond lpfiles/treble.ly
(or some version of that, I don't use MacOS myself) works correctly. Ones
you have managed to do that, it's just to add the extra options you want.
By the way, I think you want
-b svg
and nothing else.

   /Mats

Vivian Barty-Taylor wrote:
> I'm using 2.9.16 for Mac OSX.
>
> I'm trying to invoke Lilypond from the command line because I need to
> create SVG output.
>
> I type:
>
> lilypond.app/contents/MacOS/LilyPond -f svg lpfiles/treble.ly
>
> and Lilypond does... precisely nothing! The Terminal window I am using
> just hangs.
>
> I'm not a programmer, or experienced in using UNIX systems, so
> appreciate I may be making a simple mistake! Any advice would be
> appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Vivian.
>
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OOoLilyPond trouble

2006-10-04 Thread David Bobroff

I just downloaded and installed OOoLilyPond.  I followed the
instructions on the sourceforge.net page for installation/set-up.  There
were two or three differences in the sub-menus, but I think I got it
figured out.   When I try to use it, though, it doesnothing.  I
tried "Testing the Script".  I did Crtl-M and the Editor box opened.  I
keyed in some Lily code and hit the 'lilypond' button.  Nothing.  I
tried the 'configure' button.  Noththing.  No response at all.

I'm running LilyPond 2.8.5 on Fedora Core 3.  LilyPond was installed
from an auto-installer.

Help?

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Re: how to create a dynamic mark "pp sempre"?

2006-10-04 Thread Michael Kiermaier

When I write c_\ppsempre for example, the parts "pp" and "sempre" are aligned 
at their "top line". Since the letters of "sempre" are smaller than the "pp" 
letters, the base line of the both parts is not on the same vertical 
position.

~michael

On Wednesday 04 October 2006 08:50, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
> Michael Kiermaier wrote:
> > Thanks for the hint, Mats.
> >
> > ppsempre = #(make-dynamic-script (markup "pp" #:normal-text #:italic
> > "sempre" ) )
> >
> > works. Only the vertical alignment is not perfect...
>
> In what sense? I just tried it and at least to me it looks as if the
> "pp" and the "sempre"
> are aligned according the baseline of the fonts and that the vertical
> placement of the
> full markup is the same as any other dynamics.
>
>   /Mats


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how to do (de)crescendos between monophonic and polyphonic parts?

2006-10-04 Thread Michael Kiermaier

I want to have a crescendo mark which starts within a monophonic part an ends 
within a polyphonic part. Like this (non working) example:

c\cr << {d\!} \\ {f} >>
The c should be connected to the subseeding d by a crescendo.

I know that I could put the first note into the polyphonic part (like this: << 
{c\cr d\!} \\ {s f} ), but I don't want to do that. The above example is 
quite simplified to show the idea. My actual situation is different and I 
definitely want the first part to be monophonic.

The manual shows how to connect notes by ties in similar situations, the 
monophonic voice counts as the first polyphonic voice then.

Unfortunately, that seems not to be true for dynamic marks.

Does anyone have a solution?

Thanks,

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Re: how to create a dynamic mark "pp sempre"?

2006-10-04 Thread Markus Schneider

You may play around with \transparent, \combine and \fontsize get your
alignment right.

untested:
ppsempre =
#(make-dynamic-script (markup #:combine #:transparent "f" "pp" #:combine
#:transparent "f" #:normal-text #:italic "sempre" ) )


Cheers,
Markus


"Michael Kiermaier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> When I write c_\ppsempre for example, the parts "pp" and "sempre" are
aligned
> at their "top line". Since the letters of "sempre" are smaller than the
"pp"
> letters, the base line of the both parts is not on the same vertical
> position.
>
> ~michael





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Re: how to do (de)crescendos between monophonic and polyphonic parts?

2006-10-04 Thread Markus Schneider

Hi Michael,

you could do your dynamics in a sperate voice altogether:

voiceI= { c << {d} \\ {f} >> }
voiceIdyn = { s\cr s\!}

\score {
 \new Staff <<
   \context Voice = "A" \voiceI
   \context Voice = "A" \voiceIdyn
  >>
}

Cheers,
Markus


"Michael Kiermaier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I want to have a crescendo mark which starts within a monophonic part an
ends
> within a polyphonic part. Like this (non working) example:
>
> c\cr << {d\!} \\ {f} >>
> The c should be connected to the subseeding d by a crescendo.
>
> I know that I could put the first note into the polyphonic part (like
this: <<
> {c\cr d\!} \\ {s f} ), but I don't want to do that. The above example is
> quite simplified to show the idea. My actual situation is different and I
> definitely want the first part to be monophonic.
>
> The manual shows how to connect notes by ties in similar situations, the
> monophonic voice counts as the first polyphonic voice then.
>
> Unfortunately, that seems not to be true for dynamic marks.
>
> Does anyone have a solution?
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~michael





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Re: how to do (de)crescendos between monophonic and polyphonic parts?

2006-10-04 Thread Kieren MacMillan


Hi, Michael:

I want to have a crescendo mark which starts within a monophonic  
part an ends

within a polyphonic part. Like this (non working) example:

c\cr << {d\!} \\ {f} >>
The c should be connected to the subseeding d by a crescendo.


Short answer:

c\< << { d\! } \new Voice { f } >>

Long answer: the manual specifically shows how to do this, c.f.



HTH!
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Re: OOoLilyPond trouble

2006-10-04 Thread Samuel Hartmann


Hi David,

David Bobroff wrote:

I just downloaded and installed OOoLilyPond.  I followed the
instructions on the sourceforge.net page for installation/set-up.  There
were two or three differences in the sub-menus, but I think I got it
figured out.   When I try to use it, though, it doesnothing.  I
tried "Testing the Script".  I did Crtl-M and the Editor box opened.  I
keyed in some Lily code and hit the 'lilypond' button.  Nothing.  I
tried the 'configure' button.  Noththing.  No response at all.

I'm running LilyPond 2.8.5 on Fedora Core 3.  LilyPond was installed
from an auto-installer.
May be this is the problem. The auto installer installs LilyPond under 
/home/username/bin. Maybe this path is not in your system search path.

Try the following commands in bash:
$ export PATH="$PATH:home//bin"
$ ooffice

If this does not help, wait for the next release of OOoLilyPond in one 
or two weeks. I changed a lot since the last release.



regards,

Samuel


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Horizontal movement of SustainPedal

2006-10-04 Thread Michael J Millett


\version "2.8.4"
Mac 10.39

I am trying without success to move the sustain pedal marking 
horizontally. Shouldn't this be doing it?


\once\override SustainPedal #'extra-offset = #'(-3.0 . 0.0)

or

\once\override Staff.SustainPedal #'extra-offset = #'(-3.0 . 0.0)

I see reference to this working: \override Staff.PianoPedalBracket 
#'extra-offset = #'(2 . -2),
but I am not getting it to work. I'm trying to move the symbol, not the 
bracket, anyway.


I've also tried without success:

\override SustainPedalLineSpanner #'padding = 1

and

\once \override Staff.SustainPedal #'self-alignment-X = 1

Thanks for your help,
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Re: how to do (de)crescendos between monophonic and polyphonic parts?

2006-10-04 Thread Michael Kiermaier

Hi Kieren,

this doesn't work for me. I get the same error message as before.

I use Lilypond 2.8.6 (latest stable).

~michael

On Wednesday 04 October 2006 22:08, you wrote:
> Hi, Michael:
> > I want to have a crescendo mark which starts within a monophonic
> > part an ends
> > within a polyphonic part. Like this (non working) example:
> >
> > c\cr << {d\!} \\ {f} >>
> > The c should be connected to the subseeding d by a crescendo.
>
> Short answer:
>
> c\< << { d\! } \new Voice { f } >>
>
> Long answer: the manual specifically shows how to do this, c.f.
>  instantiating-voices.html#Explicitly-instantiating-voices>
>
> HTH!
> Kieren.


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Re: how to do (de)crescendos between monophonic and polyphonic parts?

2006-10-04 Thread Kieren MacMillan


Hi, Michael:

Does the attached do what you want?

Cheers,
Kieren.

\version  "2.8.6"

theMusic = \relative
{
c\< << { \voiceTwo d\!} \new Voice { \voiceOne f } >>
}

\score
{
\theMusic
}


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Re: how to do (de)crescendos between monophonic and polyphonic parts?

2006-10-04 Thread Michael Kiermaier

Thanks for your reply, Markus.

I'm aware of the solution you suggested. But really I feel that the notes and 
the dynamics should be together. So I would like to know if that is possible.

~michael


On Wednesday 04 October 2006 21:47, Markus Schneider wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> you could do your dynamics in a sperate voice altogether:
>
> voiceI= { c << {d} \\ {f} >> }
> voiceIdyn = { s\cr s\!}
>
> \score {
>  \new Staff <<
>\context Voice = "A" \voiceI
>\context Voice = "A" \voiceIdyn
>
> }
>
> Cheers,
> Markus


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collision between rest of one voice and the notes of the other voice

2006-10-04 Thread Michael Kiermaier

Hello,

it's me again.

I ran into this problem:

\relative c' { << {c c c c} \\ {R1} >> }

In the output there is a collision between the rest of the second voice and 
the notes of the first voice.

The right solution would be to put the rest on a ledger line and to lower it 
until no collision occures.

Is there a reason why lilypond doesn't to that?
Is it possible to force lilypond to put the rest on a ledger line? Or at least 
to correct the output somehow manually?


~michael


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Re: collision between rest of one voice and the notes of the other voice

2006-10-04 Thread Kieren MacMillan


Hi, Michael:

HTH,
Kieren.

\version  "2.8.6"

moveRestUp = \once \override MultiMeasureRest #'Y-offset = #4
moveRestDown = \once \override MultiMeasureRest #'Y-offset = #-5
theMusic = \relative
{
<< {c4 c c c} \\ { \moveRestUp R1 } >> \break
<< {c4 c c c} \\ { \moveRestDown R1 } >> \break
}

\score
{
\theMusic
}


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Re: warning: Ignoring grob for slur. avoid-slur not set?

2006-10-04 Thread Graham Percival


Michael Kiermaier wrote:

{c'( d'^\flageolet)}

gives the warning:

Ignoring grob for slur. avoid-slur not set?


Michael: you can't get rid of this warning right now.  Maybe in a future 
version.



Devel: could we set avoid-slur to something by default?  If there isn't 
a specific value in scm/script.scm, use (avoid-slur . around)  ?


Cheers,
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Re: old-style pedals working, but brackets not? [MINIMAL EXAMPLE]

2006-10-04 Thread Graham Percival


Thanks, this has (finally) been added as
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=102

- Graham


Kieren MacMillan wrote:

Hi, Erik:


FYI, this is probably not a minimal example.
Usually you can shrink  problematic examples down to <5 lines of code


Okay,

\version "2.8.4"
\layout {
\context {
\name Dynamics

Now what?  ;-)

Seriously... I prefer bug demos which include WORKING examples as well 
as BROKEN ones: it makes comparison possible. By way of a relevant 
example: in the reduced code below, it is impossible to tell whether the 
pedal engraver is working (present) AT ALL, because there's no working 
(pre-\set) code. [FWIW, the engraver *is* working...]


I would remove lines from the context definition, one by one, until 
there are

no lines that are absolutely necessary to reproduce the problem


What I came up with is attached below -- it still doesn't work as 
expected, of course, but I don't think I can remove anything else 
without *adding* breakage behaviour!  =)


Thanks,
Kieren.
_

%%%  CODE SNIPPET BEGINS
\version "2.8.4"

\layout {
\context {
\name Dynamics
\type "Engraver_group"
\consists "Piano_pedal_engraver"
\consists "Skip_event_swallow_translator"
\consists "Axis_group_engraver"
}
\context { \PianoStaff \accepts Dynamics }
}

pfPedal = {
\set pedalSustainStyle = #'bracket s4\sustainDown 
s4\sustainUp\sustainDown s4\sustainUp\sustainDown s4\sustainUp

}

\score {
\new PianoStaff = "piano" <<
\new Staff = "pfUpper" \relative c'' { c4 c c c }
\new Staff = "pfLower" \relative c' { \clef bass c4 s c s }
\new Dynamics = "pfPedal" \pfPedal
>>
}
%%%  CODE SNIPPET ENDS


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Re: Figured Bass question: Why is <5 4> upside down?

2006-10-04 Thread Graham Percival


Laura Conrad wrote:

This question refers to version 2.8.3 running on Ubuntu Linux 6.06.
I think it was posted during one of our mailing list vacations, and
may have never made it out to the list. 


I think it's the same issue as
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=103

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Re: Figured Bass question: Why is <5 4> upside down?

2006-10-04 Thread Trent Johnston

Hi Graham,

I don't think these are bugs as such. It's got to do aligning the extender 
line. If you place a spacer (s8 etc)  between the figures the figures are 
printed the right way.

as in the example below taken from Issue 103: if you reduce the length of 
the figure to 8 and put a 's' between (ie. a 8 space) the figures print 
correctly.

is sent a reply to the Lilypond user list a while ago with a solution to 
this problem.

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2006-07/msg00052.html

Trent

\score{
   <<
 \new FiguredBass
 \figuremode{
< _- >8 s %% this seem to break some figures
< 7 _- > s < _- 7 > s < 6+ 4 3 > s
 }
 \new Staff{
\clef bass a, b, c d
   }
   >>
 }
\score{
   <<
 \new FiguredBass
 \figuremode{ % this still ignores the order
< 7 _- >8 s < _- 7 > s < 6+ 4 3 > s
 }
 \new Staff{
\clef bass a, b, c d
   }
   >>
}
\score{
   <<
 \new FiguredBass
 \figuremode{ % this still ignores the order
<4 5>8 s <4 5> s <7 5> s <5 4> s
 }
 \new Staff{
 \clef bass a, b, c d
   }
   >>

- Original Message - 
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To: "Laura Conrad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: Figured Bass question: Why is <5 4> upside down?

Laura Conrad wrote:

This question refers to version 2.8.3 running on Ubuntu Linux 6.06.
I think it was posted during one of our mailing list vacations, and
may have never made it out to the list.

I think it's the same issue as
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=103

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Instrument transposition and score transposition confusion

2006-10-04 Thread OnionRingOfDoom


I'm writing an orchestral score out, and I have a large piece.ly file in
which all the individual instrument parts music is written out. Every
instrument's part starts with something like varInstrumentNotes = \relative
c'' { . Every part is entered with \relative c, then there are template
files for each part which are used to actually print the invidual parts. The
structure is as follows:

\new Staff \with {

} % end with
{
  \clef "treble"
  \set Score.skipBars = ##t
  \override MultiMeasureRest #'expand-limit = 1
  \override Score.RehearsalMark #'Y-offset = #0.08
  \varKey
  \varTime
  \varInstrumentNotes
}

But now I have to write out the Bb Clarinet parts, and the Bb Clarinet is
obviously in the key of Bb. Now, in the score, I want to write it out in C,
and then in the template file have it transpose to Bb. The key of the entire
piece is A Minor. How would I go about transposing the Bb Clarinet into the
propper key? I cannot seem to figure out if I use the \transpose command or
the \transposition command.
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Re: collision between rest of one voice and the notes of the other voice

2006-10-04 Thread Mats Bengtsson


I would rather recommend to set the staff-position property:
moveRestUp = \once \override MultiMeasureRest #'staff-position = #6
moveRestDown = \once \override MultiMeasureRest #'staff-position = #-6

The default in \voiceTwo (i.e. in the second voice of a <<{...} \\ 
{...}>> construct)

is that staff-position is set to -4 for MultiMeasureRest.

Since these rests are typeset centered between the bar lines, it would 
require
significant effort for LilyPond to figure out which other notes it might 
collide

with (all the current collision handling between notes and between notes and
rests, is only done for notes and rests that occur on the same beat).

  /Mats

Kieren MacMillan wrote:

Hi, Michael:

HTH,
Kieren.

\version  "2.8.6"

moveRestUp = \once \override MultiMeasureRest #'Y-offset = #4
moveRestDown = \once \override MultiMeasureRest #'Y-offset = #-5
theMusic = \relative
{
<< {c4 c c c} \\ { \moveRestUp R1 } >> \break
<< {c4 c c c} \\ { \moveRestDown R1 } >> \break
}

\score
{
\theMusic
}


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Re: Instrument transposition and score transposition confusion

2006-10-04 Thread Mats Bengtsson

I think this is well described in the section on "Transpose", which 
provides a

similar example for the case of an A clarinet. If in addition you want
the MIDI output to sound correct, you should also use \transposing (which
has nothing to do with the printed output, just the MIDI output).

  /Mats

OnionRingOfDoom wrote:

I'm writing an orchestral score out, and I have a large piece.ly file in
which all the individual instrument parts music is written out. Every
instrument's part starts with something like varInstrumentNotes = \relative
c'' { . Every part is entered with \relative c, then there are template
files for each part which are used to actually print the invidual parts. The
structure is as follows:

\new Staff \with {

} % end with
{
  \clef "treble"
  \set Score.skipBars = ##t
  \override MultiMeasureRest #'expand-limit = 1
  \override Score.RehearsalMark #'Y-offset = #0.08
  \varKey
  \varTime
  \varInstrumentNotes
}

But now I have to write out the Bb Clarinet parts, and the Bb Clarinet is
obviously in the key of Bb. Now, in the score, I want to write it out in C,
and then in the template file have it transpose to Bb. The key of the entire
piece is A Minor. How would I go about transposing the Bb Clarinet into the
propper key? I cannot seem to figure out if I use the \transpose command or
the \transposition command.
  


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Re: collision between rest of one voice and the notes of the other voice

2006-10-04 Thread Henrik Frisk

> \relative c' { << {c c c c} \\ {R1} >> }
> 
> In the output there is a collision between the rest of the second voice and 
> the notes of the first voice.
> 
> The right solution would be to put the rest on a ledger line and to lower it 
> until no collision occures.
> 
> Is there a reason why lilypond doesn't to that?
> Is it possible to force lilypond to put the rest on a ledger line? Or at 
> least 
> to correct the output somehow manually?

You can always put the rest at the position of a note e.g. d'1\rest

Best
/Henrik


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