Polyphony clarification

2007-11-11 Thread Charles Gran
A couple of questions about polyphony:

1. In this excerpt should I use "\new Voice" twice or can I just use 
"\voiceTwo" the second time?
2. Could \voiceOne be assumed?
3. \upper and \lower as mentioned in 6.3.4 in the manual aren't 
really commands are they.

Charles


\relative c {
  \clef bass
  \key a \minor
  \time 2/2
| r2 e | r f4( d) | ees f g aes | r1 |
r2. << { \voiceOne b,8^\markup { div.} c \oneVoice }
\new Voice { \voiceTwo b8 c } >> |
<< { \voiceOne c1( e) c ~ c e \oneVoice }
\new Voice { \voiceTwo e,1( b') e, ~ e b' } >> }


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Re: Issue 34: Grace synchronization

2007-11-11 Thread Mats Bengtsson

Of course, most LilyPond users and hackers agree that this is
a major issue. The problem is that solving it will require lots
of hacking, as far as I can understand.

  /Mats

Peter Mogensen wrote:


Hi,

Am I the only one who is sad to see Issue 34 at low priority?
I guess it's about the bug mentioned at the bottom of:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Grace-notes

I write a lot of scores with drum flams (*) and this bug makes it a 
lot harder to write and maintain.


regards,
Peter



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Re: GDP: NR Specification

2007-11-11 Thread Graham Percival


Eyolf Østrem wrote:

On 08.11.2007 (15:44), Graham Percival wrote:

 Based on the recent discussions, what should change in the written policy?


I'd say: the following sentence:


 However, they should be familiar with the material in the Learning
 Manual (particularly ``Fundamental Concepts''), so do not repeat
 that material in this book.  Also, you should assume that users


Huh.  On first reading, that looks exactly opposite of what I intended
to say...

... oh wait, I remember now!  I was trying to say "don't explain that
{}() don't need to be nested... or that you can make a \new Staff{}
wherever you want... or that you can define variables ... etc".


Fundamental concepts should be explained in the NR also, but in a different
style than in the LM: in the NR in a precise, technical man page-like way,
in the LM in a tutorial style. There should not be *information* in the LM
which is not also available from the NR, it should just be presented
differently.


Agreed... ok, I guess I'd better do this sooner rather than later.  I'll
add a NR 3 that discusses the same stuff as LM 2-3.  Then the policy can
 say "assume that readers are familiar with the material in NR 3".

It might seem a bit weird to assume that people know NR 3 when they're
reading NR 1, but I think we should start the NR with notation stuff,
not basic "lilypond is whitespace-insensitive"-type stuff.

Cheers.
- Graham



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Re: chordmode chord question

2007-11-11 Thread Henk van Voorthuijsen


On Nov 11, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Jay Hamilton wrote:


\version "2.10.25"
In chordmode I am trying to get   in some kind of spelling  
(I'm assuming that one can't put a chord like I just did in  
chordmode).


\chordmode { g:m6-^5 }



Everything I've tried so far has either produced errors or no effect  
at all.






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Re: octava line broken in polyphony

2007-11-11 Thread Charles Gran
Actually the problem seems to be with the PDF viewer that comes with 
the LilyPondTool plugin for JEdit (2.10.4, JEdit 4.3pre11, windows xp 
sp2).  The octava line displays differently than with acrobat or 
gsview.


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chordmode chord question

2007-11-11 Thread Jay Hamilton
\version "2.10.25"
In chordmode I am trying to get   in some kind of spelling (I'm 
assuming that one can't put a chord like I just did in chordmode).
Everything I've tried so far has either produced errors or no effect at all.  


Yours-
Jay

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Re: octava line broken in polyphony

2007-11-11 Thread Charles Gran
Well,  I just ran this on another machine and it looks fine, so I'll 
have to fool around on my end and see if I can't fix it.


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Issue 34: Grace synchronization

2007-11-11 Thread Peter Mogensen

Hi,

Am I the only one who is sad to see Issue 34 at low priority?
I guess it's about the bug mentioned at the bottom of:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Grace-notes

I write a lot of scores with drum flams (*) and this bug makes it a lot 
harder to write and maintain.


regards,
Peter



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Re: partcombine/drummode

2007-11-11 Thread Bert Verbeek
Thanks Ole, 

I missed that \rest command in the manual.

With this input, the output is fine:

 ly input -
\version "2.10.29"

SNARE = \drummode { sn8->  \notemode {b'8 \rest b'4 \rest }  }
BASSDRUM = \drummode { bd8  s s4 }

\score{
<<
  \new DrumStaff <<
  \set Staff.instrumentName = "Drums"
  \new DrumVoice { \voiceOne \SNARE }
  \new DrumVoice { \voiceTwo \BASSDRUM }
  >>

>>
\layout {} 
}


thanks again,
Bert


Op Sunday 11 November 2007, schreef Ole Schmidt:
> I don't know if there are better solutions but you can suppress the
> rest in one voice using s instead of r and center the rest from the
> other voice by changing temporarily to \notemode and using the \rest
> feature:
>
> sn4 \notemode {c''2. \rest}
> %% the c'' makes the position of the rest %%%
>
> also you can override the position of the rest:
>
>   \once \override Rest #'staff-position = #1 r2.
>
> hope that helps
>
> ole
> >  ly input -
> >
> > \version "2.10.29"
> >
> > SNARE = \drummode { sn8-> r r4 }
> > BASSDRUM = \drummode { bd8  r r4 }
> >
> > \score{
> > <<
> >   \new DrumStaff <<
> >   \set Staff.instrumentName = "Drums"
> >   \new DrumVoice { \voiceOne \SNARE }
> >   \new DrumVoice { \voiceTwo \BASSDRUM }
> >
> >
> >
> > \layout {}
> > }
> >
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Re: GDP: the snippets vs. texinfo

2007-11-11 Thread Hans Aberg

On 10 Nov 2007, at 06:02, Graham Percival wrote:

Consider NR 1.2.1 Tuplets, for example.  (if you haven't already,  
please see the "LSR->lilypond docs" email)


Currently, the "Commonly tweaked properties" contains five  
examples. These demonstrate a number of neat tricks you can do with  
tuplets... but what happens if something needs to be updated?  (ie  
a property name changes, somebody thinks of a better explanation,  
there's a nicer way to achieve a particular tweak, etc)


Personally, I don't care were stuff is put, if only the main document  
is having certain keyword to search for and an indication of where to  
read more about it. If I type a keyword in Preview (Mac OS X), I can  
see all occurrences.


So, for example, suppose I want to typeset less common meters. These  
are called by names such as "irregular", "asymmetrical", "compound",  
"complex", "aksak", "limping", etc. I could search for a few of those  
names to get a hit. If there is a line in the document that this is  
discussed in more detail elsewhere, it would be fine with me.


In this context, I have found examples in the main document to be  
useful because sometimes I have some LilyPond code, and then I can  
search for occurrences of some keywords in that code. This way, I can  
get places where the topic I am looking for might be discussed.


  Hans Aberg




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Re: GDP: the snippets vs. texinfo

2007-11-11 Thread Hans Aberg

On 10 Nov 2007, at 06:02, Graham Percival wrote:

PDF vs. HTML: pdf readers generally prefer to have consecutive  
documentation, with few links.  HTML readers generally prefer to  
have links everywhere.


Those that produce both seem to choose a format that can produce both  
automatically by some program. For example the texinfo format. But  
that might unsuitable for LilyPond. So you might need you own format.


Stable docs vs. wiki: some people want an unchanging, complete,  
finished set of docs, particularly if they print them out.  Other  
people like the constant flux of web 2.0 stuff.


These do different things. The docs should be designed to lower the  
need ask questions on the lists, I think.


A wiki can in fact be used to replace the LilyPond site altogether.  
One example is

  http://haskell.org/
which nowadays expand to
  http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell
So it is possibly the whole Haskell site. Once upon the time, the  
Haskell wiki was a separate project.


  Hans Åberg




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Re: partcombine/drummode

2007-11-11 Thread Ole Schmidt
I don't know if there are better solutions but you can suppress the  
rest in one voice using s instead of r and center the rest from the  
other voice by changing temporarily to \notemode and using the \rest  
feature:


sn4 \notemode {c''2. \rest}
%% the c'' makes the position of the rest %%%

also you can override the position of the rest:

 \once \override Rest #'staff-position = #1 r2.

hope that helps

ole


Am 11.11.2007 um 13:08 schrieb Bert Verbeek:


Hello All,

First of all, thanks for this wonderfull program.
I'm using  lilypond version 2.10.29 on Debian Linux testing.

I'm using lilypond for the first time for a complete BigBand score,  
every

thing is going great, but I'm stuck with one minor problem.

Is it possible to use \partcombine and \drummode together in order  
to print
common rests of snare and bassdrum voices only once in the normal  
position of

the \DrumStaff?

If not, how should I fake this?

Thanks in advance,
Bert Verbeek

 ly input -

\version "2.10.29"

SNARE = \drummode { sn8-> r r4 }
BASSDRUM = \drummode { bd8  r r4 }

\score{
<<
  \new DrumStaff <<
  \set Staff.instrumentName = "Drums"
  \new DrumVoice { \voiceOne \SNARE }
  \new DrumVoice { \voiceTwo \BASSDRUM }





\layout {}
}


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partcombine/drummode

2007-11-11 Thread Bert Verbeek
Hello All,

First of all, thanks for this wonderfull program.
I'm using  lilypond version 2.10.29 on Debian Linux testing.

I'm using lilypond for the first time for a complete BigBand score, every 
thing is going great, but I'm stuck with one minor problem.

Is it possible to use \partcombine and \drummode together in order to print 
common rests of snare and bassdrum voices only once in the normal position of 
the \DrumStaff?

If not, how should I fake this?

Thanks in advance,
Bert Verbeek

 ly input -

\version "2.10.29"

SNARE = \drummode { sn8-> r r4 }
BASSDRUM = \drummode { bd8  r r4 }

\score{ 
<<
  \new DrumStaff << 
  \set Staff.instrumentName = "Drums"
  \new DrumVoice { \voiceOne \SNARE }
  \new DrumVoice { \voiceTwo \BASSDRUM }
  >> 
>>

\layout {}
}


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Re: line-width in \markuplines

2007-11-11 Thread Nicolas Sceaux


Le 10 nov. 07 à 21:14, Monk Panteleimon a écrit :


Hello.
According to the 2.11 docs (8.1.9), I should be able to change the  
line width in

\markuplines using \override #'(line-width . X)
but it doesn't seem to work.

example:
http://www.tcgalaska.com/kliros/ly/esauWood.ly



In 8.1.9, you can read:

  \override-lines new-prop (pair) args (list of markups)
Like \override, for markup lists.

This is the command that you want to use.

The description of \justified-lines and \wordwrap-lines, recommending  
using

\override, is a copy-paste mistake that I'm going to fix.

\markuplines {
  \override-lines #'(line-width . 40) \justified-lines {
...
  }
}

nicolas

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Re: Concept for Newbies

2007-11-11 Thread John Mandereau
Le mardi 06 novembre 2007 à 21:37 +0100, Francisco Vila a écrit :
> I think some things you can do are:
> - Promote this list, invite potential users and answer their questions.
> - Build CD-ROMs complete with binaries and documentation, and give
> them to interested people, as a gift
> - Write your own tutorials and publish them in the LilyPondWiki.
> - Share printed examples and web links with your friends.
> - Offer yourself to retranscribe existing music thus improving its look
> - Learn yourself as much as you can, to quickly resolve problems from
> others, write "how to turn yourself into a lilypond guru in ten
> lessons"
> - Retain the complete manuals in your memory, if you can (CAUTION: not
> before the GDP is finished :-)

I'd like to add one item to this list:

- Organize LilyPond one- or two-day learning sessions, animated by
LilyPond experienced users and translators.

Encouraged by several requests on the French list, we're working on
setting this up in France (see topics "stage de formation" and "MAO
libre à Avignon" on lilypond-user-fr list).

Cheers,
John



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