Re: Win98 SE?

2008-01-11 Thread Mats Bengtsson

See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2006-03/msg00301.html
However, you may still want to give it a try. If you're lucky it works 
just fine.


   /Mats

Norman Drucker wrote:
I'm a newbie to things Gnu and would like to know whether trying to 
install and use Lilypond on my Win98 SE system is going to be 
impossible or a major headache.  I've reviewed the forum archive and 
see that people have had problems with Win98 in the past, but being a 
newbie, I don't even understand what most of those problems were, and 
don't get a sense of whether ways have by now been found to surmount 
them in the latest version of the software. Can anyone please advise 
me whether it really is feasible for a non-geek to try to use 
lilypond under Win 98 SE, and how I might fix the problems that I'm 
most likely to run into.
 
Thanks

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Re: Lilypond: Newsgroup?

2008-01-11 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
Huh, 
http://news.gmane.org/group/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.general/last=/force_load=t


Stefan Slapeta wrote:
I can't see it making a huge difference.  If you're interested, I 
believe that gmane supplies NNTP.  I only spent 30 seconds looking at 
their site, so I'm not totally certain though.





I do - searching in old threads is a _LOT_ easier with a newsgroup client
than via http archive!

I've been working for with gmane for some years in boost C++ newsgroups and
I've also been moderator there ... I didn't have any negative experience so
far.

The setup of a new group is very easy and straightforward. More difficult is
the migration of the previous mailings.

Shall I drop Lars a note?


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Re: opening Lilypond

2008-01-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
LilyPond is not a program like the ones you are used to: you do not
have to use your mouse to create a score, but *only* your keyboard!
There are no buttons to click on, no menus, nothing.

First create a text file with some special code in it;
then LilyPond will read it and convert it into a beautiful score.

You just have to save your file with the .ly extension, and then
just double click on it.
Then you will see that a PDF file appears next to it.

For example, just write:

{ a b c d }

in a file with your notepad. Save your file on your Desktop, as
my_first_score.ly. Then Double-click on it. That's it.

If you need some additional help, please, please first read the
tutorial -- as Graham told you.

Then we'll be ready to help you.

(If you really want to learn how to use LilyPond, you might need a
more convenient editor than the notepad; for example, try jEdit (
www.jedit.org -- download the development version), with its special
LilyPondTool plugin that is very handy (you have to download it in the
plugin manager).

Cheers,
Valentin


2008/1/11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Help!  I have apparently successfully downloaded Lilypond to my Windows XP
 PC, but whenever I double click on the desktop icon all I get is the silly
 Let's take it for a test drive window.  I'd really like to use your
 program; and feel silly asking How do I turn the darn thing on?
 I've tried rebooting the computer; didn't help.

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pitchedTrill with a chord?

2008-01-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
Hello everybody,

just a small question that occured to me (as the new bugmeister, I
don't want to fill a feature request without discussing it first :)

In the following snippet, the trill can be interpreted as a
chord-trill; however, the pitchedTrill indication prints only one
note:

\relative c'' {
  \grace f a8
  \pitchedTrill e gis2. \startTrillSpan f a
  e gis4 \stopTrillSpan
}

Bug or missing feature? Any workaround (other than polyphonic)?

Cheers,
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new LilyPond based project

2008-01-11 Thread BopLand . org
This is an announcement about new LilyPond based project.
http://bopland.org

The BopLand.org project is FREE knowledge database for improvising musician.
The database contains hundreds of beautiful melodic patterns played by
outstanding jazz musicians like Bill Evans, Clifford Brown, Gerry Mulligan
and
others. All licks present in the database were carefully transcribed and
examined to contain no errors.

More about the project:
http://bopland.org/about.html

For quick start with BopLand.org search engine use the links below:
http://bopland.org/find-lick.html?time=4/4changes=|%20Dm7%20|%20G7%20|%20Cmajpage=1licks_per_page=10
http://bopland.org/find-lick.html?time=4/4changes=Ebmpage=1licks_per_page=10
http://bopland.org/find-lick.html?time=4%2F4changes=Dm+Bm7-5+%7C+E7+A7+%7Csearch.x=0search.y=0search=Findpage=1licks_per_page=10

The BopLand.org syntax used for adding new licks slightly differs from
LilyPond's one.
However all patterns found in the database come along with their source
code, moreover
notations used at BopLand.org closely match hand-written notaions, so adding
new lick
won't be a headache. Documentaion is available at
http://bopland.org/bopland-format.html

To contribute a lick or test the BopLand.org engine check the following
link:
http://bopland.org/add-lick.html

The project is currently in beta version. Any comments, suggestions, and bug
reports are
highly appreciated at
http://bopland.org/feedback.html

Sincerely Yours,
BopLand.org Team.
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Re: new LilyPond based project

2008-01-11 Thread Paul Scott

BopLand.org wrote:

This is an announcement about new LilyPond based project.
http://bopland.org

The BopLand.org project is FREE knowledge database for improvising 
musician.

The database contains hundreds of beautiful melodic patterns played by
outstanding jazz musicians like Bill Evans, Clifford Brown, Gerry 
Mulligan and

others. All licks present in the database were carefully transcribed and
examined to contain no errors.
I just visited the site and it would seem the search mechanism is 
somewhat awkward.  One should be able to click to the final result.


Paul Scott



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Re: opening Lilypond

2008-01-11 Thread Tim Reeves
Valentin said:

(If you really want to learn how to use LilyPond, you might need a
more convenient editor than the notepad; for example, try jEdit (
www.jedit.org -- download the development version), with its special
LilyPondTool plugin that is very handy (you have to download it in the
plugin manager).


I  recommend NOT using the latest version of jEdit (4.3pre12) as I found 
it didn't play well with LilyPondTool.
Go get jEdit 4.3pre9 and I believe you'll be OK.
I agree that LilyPondTool is very helpful.


Good luck!




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manual staff switch

2008-01-11 Thread Ole Schmidt

dear all,

I have a score like the excerpt below and want to switch the last  
note of the second

staff (staffClassicalGuitarII) to the first staff.
Is it possible to use \change Staff = command in such a  
construction?

And if yes what would be the right syntax?
Unfortunatly  I do not understand once again how to apply the  
information from the manual to my example...


thanks for help

ole

%%%

\version 2.11.36

staffClassicalGuitar =  \include GitarreEins.ly


staffClassicalGuitarII = \include GitarreZwei.ly

\score {

\new StaffGroup {
\set StaffGroup.instrumentName=Solo
\set StaffGroup.shortInstrumentName = solo 
\staffClassicalGuitar
\staffClassicalGuitarII  }
%%%


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Re: Lilypond-book and LaTeX; a few issues

2008-01-11 Thread Nicolas Sceaux

Le 11 janv. 08 à 22:31, Alasdair McAndrew a écrit :

I am using lilypond-book (with LaTeX) to collect several different  
lilypond files into one nice document - with title page, table of  
contents, and an introduction.  However, the music never comes out  
properly on the page.  Using lilypond on a single file, the music is  
nicely laid out, appropriate space between the systems, and the  
first system (there are only two staves - it's a collection of  
duets) indented for the instrument names.


However, the same music in lilypond-book comes out either moved  
partly off the page, or on the page but with huge margins - and the  
first system not indented, but with the instrument names set to its  
left.  (This accounts for the huge margin - there is white space  
beneath the instrument names for the rest of the page).  Also, the  
systems are more crowded vertically then they are in plain lilypond.


Clearly I need to do some fiddling to make lilypond's page  
formatter, and LaTeX's page formatter, go well together.  Can  
anybody give me some advice on this?


The vertical layout cannot be as finely tuned using lilypond-book and  
LaTeX as
it can be using LilyPond only. Indeed, in the first case, LilyPond  
layout engine
computes the line breaks, and LaTeX takes care of filling the pages.  
Using LilyPond
only, the layout engine can compute line breaks together with page  
breaks, and

space nicely the systems.

You may get rid off LaTeX and use LilyPond only, for instance with the  
help of

this titling stylesheet:
  http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=368



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Re: Lilypond-book and LaTeX; a few issues

2008-01-11 Thread Joe Mc Cool
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 10:45:45PM +0100, Nicolas Sceaux wrote:

 You may get rid off LaTeX and use LilyPond only, for instance with the  

Can you also use Lily to produce graphics (ps, eps, pdf, ...) of the
music and then \include them in Latex ?

Perhaps this is not elegant.

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Lilypond-book and LaTeX; a few issues

2008-01-11 Thread Alasdair McAndrew
I am using lilypond-book (with LaTeX) to collect several different lilypond
files into one nice document - with title page, table of contents, and an
introduction.  However, the music never comes out properly on the page.
Using lilypond on a single file, the music is nicely laid out, appropriate
space between the systems, and the first system (there are only two staves -
it's a collection of duets) indented for the instrument names.

However, the same music in lilypond-book comes out either moved partly off
the page, or on the page but with huge margins - and the first system not
indented, but with the instrument names set to its left.  (This accounts for
the huge margin - there is white space beneath the instrument names for the
rest of the page).  Also, the systems are more crowded vertically then they
are in plain lilypond.

Clearly I need to do some fiddling to make lilypond's page formatter, and
LaTeX's page formatter, go well together.  Can anybody give me some advice
on this?

Thanks very much,
Alasdair
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composition title on every page except the first

2008-01-11 Thread Felipe Vogel

Hello, I am new to LilyPond (AWESOME program, by the way!) and I have some
questions about headers.
I want to have the title of a composition appear at the top of every page
(in a small font). I found this message that explains how to do this:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-02/msg00638.html
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-02/msg00638.html 
However, I don't want the title to appear on the first page, where the
normal title appears in the header already. Is there any way to make a
header appear only on pages after the first?

Also, I want to place the page number on the left side of the header on
every page, but I want to center the title. Currently I can do this with the
\hspace command. For example:

\paper {
  oddHeaderMarkup = \markup {
\fromproperty #'page:page-number-string
\hspace #40  % place enough space between the page number and the title
so that the title is centered
\fromproperty #'header:title
  }
  evenHeaderMarkup = \markup {
\fromproperty #'page:page-number-string
\hspace #40
\fromproperty #'header:title
  }
}

But this way I have to experiment for a while to see what number I should
use with \hspace to center the title. Is there a better way to do this? And
another thing, I didn't put   and \on-the-fly
#print-page-number-check-first (which were included in the message I linked
to) in there because they don't make any difference in the output. Should I
use these?

Thank you!

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Re: Lilypond-book and LaTeX; a few issues

2008-01-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/1/11, Alasdair McAndrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Thanks - your code may do the job!  Will it work with version 2.10.33?  I
 guess what would be nice would be for a page of lilypond to be pasted onto
 a blank LaTeX page by lilypond-book, but as you say LaTeX does the page
 filling.

Unfortunately this great code only works with the latest development
versions (say, 2.11.25 and greater) -- which is why I had to comment
the whole code when I posted the snippet (the LSR doesn't support
these features yet).

Cheers,
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Re: Lilypond-book and LaTeX; a few issues

2008-01-11 Thread Nicholas Haggin
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Joe Mc Cool wrote:
 Can you also use Lily to produce graphics (ps, eps, pdf, ...) of the
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In essence, this is what lilypond-book does when operating on a
LaTeX document; it determines the LaTeX line width, generates music
to the appropriate specifications, and writes a new LaTeX file with
the appropriate \include statements.

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Re: Lilypond-book and LaTeX; a few issues

2008-01-11 Thread Alasdair McAndrew
Thanks - your code may do the job!  Will it work with version 2.10.33?  I
guess what would be nice would be for a page of lilypond to be pasted onto
a blank LaTeX page by lilypond-book, but as you say LaTeX does the page
filling.

-Alasdair

On Jan 12, 2008 8:45 AM, Nicolas Sceaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Le 11 janv. 08 à 22:31, Alasdair McAndrew a écrit :

  I am using lilypond-book (with LaTeX) to collect several different
  lilypond files into one nice document - with title page, table of
  contents, and an introduction.  However, the music never comes out
  properly on the page.  Using lilypond on a single file, the music is
  nicely laid out, appropriate space between the systems, and the
  first system (there are only two staves - it's a collection of
  duets) indented for the instrument names.
 
  However, the same music in lilypond-book comes out either moved
  partly off the page, or on the page but with huge margins - and the
  first system not indented, but with the instrument names set to its
  left.  (This accounts for the huge margin - there is white space
  beneath the instrument names for the rest of the page).  Also, the
  systems are more crowded vertically then they are in plain lilypond.
 
  Clearly I need to do some fiddling to make lilypond's page
  formatter, and LaTeX's page formatter, go well together.  Can
  anybody give me some advice on this?

 The vertical layout cannot be as finely tuned using lilypond-book and
 LaTeX as
 it can be using LilyPond only. Indeed, in the first case, LilyPond
 layout engine
 computes the line breaks, and LaTeX takes care of filling the pages.
 Using LilyPond
 only, the layout engine can compute line breaks together with page
 breaks, and
 space nicely the systems.

 You may get rid off LaTeX and use LilyPond only, for instance with the
 help of
 this titling stylesheet:
   http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=368


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Re: manual staff switch

2008-01-11 Thread milarepa7

Hello,
Maybe there's another way to do but I would edit the GitarreZwei.ly like
that :

%
staffClassicalGuitar =  {c'4 c' c' c'} 

staffClassicalGuitarII = {g'4 g' g' \change Staff =one g'}


\score {
\new StaffGroup {
   \set StaffGroup.instrumentName=Solo
   \set StaffGroup.shortInstrumentName = solo 
 \new Staff =one \staffClassicalGuitar
 \new Staff  \staffClassicalGuitarII 
   



note that you have to give a name to the first staff to be able to call it
after, example with the name one :
 \new Staff =one \staffClassicalGuitar.
I hope it can help you
Regards.
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lilypond-book and searchable pdf:s

2008-01-11 Thread Erik Ronström
Hi!

This is not a question, rather I would like to just present some things
I've come across the last days. Maybe this is old knowledge to you, and
in that case, please ignore this mail. Still, I was not able to find
these my conclusions in the archives, so hopefully it may be of some
use for someone!

I'm typesetting a book with lilypond and LaTeX, using lilypond-book to
put it all together. However the text in the resulting pdf file is not
searchable or copyable by Acrobat or Preview.app. After many hours of
error checking, I found out what is causing my problems and some
workarounds.

The problem seems to be that when the fonts are encoded with T1
encoding in LaTeX, the resulting pdf does not have a correct character
mapping, and thus can not extract any text.

As several people earlier have pointed out, there are some workarounds:

1) Use the CMAP package for LaTeX
2) Use a standard postscript font, like times
3) Use the default OT1 font encoding instead of T1

The CMAP package works perfectly and magically takes care of
everything. However, it only works with pdflatex and not with dvips,
which is a problem when I'm using lilypond-book (since I can't make
pdflatex work with my generated tex files from lilypond-book, I have to
use dvips)

Using times instead of the CM fonts work - but I don't want times!

Using OT1 font encoding has two problems: a minor problem is that the
pdf renders a bit ugly on-screen in Acrobat, compared to when using T1
fonts. Worse is that the OT1 fonts only contain a basic extended ASCII
set of glyphs, which means that many non-english characters are
missing!

Conclusion:
* I can have a searchable pdf, but in that case I have to sacrifice
either the font or the encoding (meaning all non-english chars), OR
* I can have a complete, perfectly looking pdf, which is not
searchable, OR
* I can get it all if I use the cmap package for LaTeX. But then I have
to use pdflatex instead of dvips, which doesn't work with
lilypond-book!

As far as I can tell, there is no solution to this problem.

HOWEVER: Making cmap work with dvips is on the TODO for cmap. I emailed
the creator of the cmap package, and he says that he think[s] it is
possible to make it work with dvips, but it needs some hacking and
time. He continues unfortunately i currently don't have time for
this. if you can help, or know someone who is interested in this,
please let me know.

I don't have enough skills for such a task, but maybe someone on this
list has? And I want to ask the LilyPond team: can this be a candidate
for sponsoring, even though it is not really a part of lilypond itself?

Best regards
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Re: special characters in markup

2008-01-11 Thread Paul Scott

Valentin Villenave wrote:

2008/1/11, Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  

That's a good answer which I can use



This is not really needed anymore, as LilyPond can support all UTF-8
characters natively.

  

I was actually thinking about normal characters like '' which have
another syntactical meaning in Lily.



Actually, the double quote is the only character you need to 'escape',
by preceding it with a backslash:

\markup This 'is' #a \quoted sentence\ \with $pecial {chars}

As you can see, the #, { or \ characters are otherwise looking good.
  
This requires that the text be enclosed in quotes (Thanks to Geoff 
Horton). 


This works:  \markup{ some \quoted text\ }
This doesn't:  \markup{ some \quoted text\ }

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