Different horizontal spacing in instrumentName and shortInstrumentName

2008-03-05 Thread Risto Vääräniemi
Dear All,

I noticed that version 2.11.41 produces a different padding between
the instrument name and the staff depending if I use instrumentName or
shortInstrumentName. The behaviour has changed somewhere after .39
where the spacing was still OK. I haven't tested it on .40.

-Risto

%
\version 2.11.39

\paper
{
indent = 0\mm
ragged-right = ##t
}

\relative c'
{
\set Staff.instrumentName = S
\set Staff.shortInstrumentName = S
c1 \break
c1
}
%
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Re: Different horizontal spacing in instrumentName and shortInstrumentName

2008-03-05 Thread Risto Vääräniemi
Oops. I used a wrong bug list address. Sorry.

On 05/03/2008, Risto Vääräniemi wrote:
  I noticed that version 2.11.41 produces a different padding between
  the instrument name and the staff depending if I use instrumentName or
  shortInstrumentName. The behaviour has changed somewhere after .39
  where the spacing was still OK. I haven't tested it on .40.

Anyway... I installed the .40 and made a test. The same thing happens
there, too.

-Risto


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Re: Spacing around bar lines in 2.11.38 - links to example

2008-03-05 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/3/4, Steve Dunlop [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 http://www.nerstrand.net/8lpf.pdf

I cannot open your pdf :(

  I'm posting the whole thing because the overall spacing situation seems
  to be contributing to the problem.

Could you please put all of it in a single file, and maybe post it on the list?

  Sources:

  http://www.nerstrand.net/8lpf.ly
  http://www.nerstrand.net/bwv558.ly
  http://www.nerstrand.net/organscore.ly

The second link isn't working :(

Cheers,
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use the feta font in GIMP

2008-03-05 Thread Matthieu Jacquot

Hi, 
I'd like to add some little details to finalize a score, it would be a bit
too hard for me to do this with lily so I had the idea to import the pdf in
the GIMP and then add the final touch.
It seems I can use the fonts but  an object is often called with a something
like clefs.G (it's just an example); if I type this in the gimp I won't
have a G clef but just the text.  
Does Anyone have an idea?
Thanks a lot.
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trill notes

2008-03-05 Thread M.v.Strien

Hi,

A generic question:
* If the key is C-minor, and I want a trill on (midinotes) D# and E, what 
would the correct trill notes be?


Es E (neutral)
-or-
Es Fes

* Will amateur players and professional players both agree on one method?
* Is the correct method suitable for each instrument? Or are there 
instrument which would prefer a specific one of these options?


gr. Maarten



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Re: trill notes

2008-03-05 Thread Kieren MacMillan

Hi Maarten,


A generic question:
* If the key is C-minor, and I want a trill on (midinotes) D# and  
E, what would the correct trill notes be?


Depends on the context -- i.e., which note is the fundamental and  
which is the embellishment, as well as the underlying harmonic  
structure (chords, etc.).


* Is the correct method suitable for each instrument? Or are there  
instrument which would prefer a specific one of these options?


Harmonically, there is only one correct answer -- from a  
performance/engraving perspective, there may be other ways of writing  
it which are easier to play (based on fingering, ease of sight- 
reading, etc.).


Hope this helps!
Kieren.


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moving notes horizontal position

2008-03-05 Thread Zenith

A stupide question!

I just would like to move the last notes a bit more to the end(aproach to
the bar) as it can be seem in the fotolog below

http://www.fotolog.com/lilypondstudent/45749639

here is a piece of code of the melody:

8\\(  c c' d d' e e' f f'\! 
\times 2/3 { g g'\f f f' e e'\)} \override Script #'padding = #1 e
e'2\fermata

Thx!
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moving notes horizontal position

2008-03-05 Thread Zenith

A stupide question!

I just would like to move the last notes a bit more to the end(aproach to
the bar) as it can be seem in the fotolog below

http://www.fotolog.com/lilypondstudent/45749639

here is a piece of code of the melody:

8\\(  c c' d d' e e' f f'\! 
\times 2/3 { g g'\f f f' e e'\)} \override Script #'padding = #1 e
e'2\fermata

Thx!
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Re: trill notes

2008-03-05 Thread Kieren MacMillan

Hi Bert,

I would say that in C-minor (if the harmonic structure, context etc  
is C-minor) I would not use Fb, but E,
because the flat version of IV grade seems very strange for me,  
while the neutralized version of  III grade is common.


If it's a C-minor chord, and the trill is on degree III from above, I  
would personally use the flattened IV: in standard Western harmony  
the resolution tendency of a flattened note (e.g., IV-flat) is  
downwards, whereas the resolution tendency of a raised note (e.g.,  
neutralized III) is not. In C# minor, would you use E sharp instead  
of F-natural?


This kind of decision is definitely context- (and, often, person-)  
specific: no rule can ever be universally helpful.


Best regards,
Kieren.


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Re: moving notes horizontal position

2008-03-05 Thread Mats Bengtsson

The question is if you want to move the note to the right or if you want
to decrease the distance from the note to the bar line.
In the former case, read the last lines of section Horizontal spacing 
overview

in the manual. In the latter case, you may rather want to play with scaling
the durations, for example
\times 2/3 { g g'8 \f f f' e e'8*4\)} \override Script #'padding = 
#1 e

e'2*1/2\fermata
or
\times 2/3 { g g'8*2 \f f f' e e'\)} \override Script #'padding = 
#1 e

e'2*1/2\fermata |

I actually think that the default layout corresponds fairly well to common
notation practice, though.

  /Mats

Zenith wrote:

A stupide question!

I just would like to move the last notes a bit more to the end(aproach to
the bar) as it can be seem in the fotolog below

http://www.fotolog.com/lilypondstudent/45749639

here is a piece of code of the melody:

8\\(  c c' d d' e e' f f'\! 
\times 2/3 { g g'\f f f' e e'\)} \override Script #'padding = #1 e

e'2\fermata

Thx!
  


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Re: moving notes horizontal position

2008-03-05 Thread Mark Knoop

On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 13:57 -0800, Zenith wrote:
 A stupide question!

There are no stupid questions...

 I just would like to move the last notes a bit more to the end(aproach to
 the bar) 
 
 here is a piece of code of the melody:
 
 8\\(  c c' d d' e e' f f'\! 
 \times 2/3 { g g'\f f f' e e'\)} \override Script #'padding = #1 e
 e'2\fermata

The easiest way is perhaps to do something like this:

\times 2/3 { g g'\f f f' e e'\)}
s8 e e'2*3/4

This inserts a quaver of space between the octave Es. To make up for
this we multiple the octave E minim by 3/4. Adjust those values until
you get what you want.

(I've just removed your fermata markup to make it clearer.)

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Re: use the feta font in GIMP

2008-03-05 Thread Chris Snyder

Hi, Matthieu,


I'd like to add some little details to finalize a score, it would be a bit
too hard for me to do this with lily so I had the idea to import the pdf in
the GIMP and then add the final touch.


I don't have the knowledge to comment about the font issue, but I do 
have a suggestion about the choice of tools. GIMP is not well-suited for 
working with vector images (such as PDFs). You'd probably be better off 
using a desktop publishing program, Scribus being an open-source option.


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Re: use the feta font in GIMP

2008-03-05 Thread Kieren MacMillan

Hi Matthieu,

I'd like to add some little details to finalize a score, it would  
be a bit
too hard for me to do this with lily so I had the idea to import  
the pdf in

the GIMP and then add the final touch.


I used to do the same thing: I would open the Lilypond-generated  
PostScript file in Illustrator and add the final touch.
However, I soon found ways of accomplishing in Lilypond everything  
that I would do in Illustrator -- and it kept all the tweaks in a  
single file/process.


So, my question is... what are your final touches? Perhaps we can  
help you keep it in Lilypond.


If not, I second Chris's suggestion to avoid GIMP, in favour of a  
vector-based application.


Cheers,
Kieren.


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Re: use the feta font in GIMP

2008-03-05 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/3/5, Kieren MacMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  If not, I second Chris's suggestion to avoid GIMP, in favour of a
  vector-based application.

Inkscape is free and can directly open .ps files generated by LilyPond :)

http://www.inkscape.org/

Cheers,
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Clef, key and tempo only at beginning of first system?

2008-03-05 Thread sdfgsdhdshd

Is it possible to write the Clef, key and tempo only at the beginning of the
first system of each score?
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Re: Clef, key and tempo only at beginning of first system?

2008-03-05 Thread Mats Bengtsson

sdfgsdhdshd wrote:


Is it possible to write the Clef, key and tempo only at the beginning of the
first system of each score?
 


Certainly! Just turn off printing of these objects somewhere
after the first note (but of course before the next line break).
For example, it should work do add the following lines
 \override Score.KeySignature #'break-visibility = #all-invisible
 \override Score.Clef #'break-visibility = #all-invisible
after the first note (or the first bar or wherever is suitable).

  /Mats

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Re: moving notes horizontal position

2008-03-05 Thread Zenith

Well,
i just would like to move the note to the right, if possible, moving just
one note, fixing all the others and music structure! 


Mats Bengtsson-4 wrote:
 
 The question is if you want to move the note to the right or if you want
 to decrease the distance from the note to the bar line.
 In the former case, read the last lines of section Horizontal spacing 
 overview
 in the manual. In the latter case, you may rather want to play with
 scaling
 the durations, for example
 \times 2/3 { g g'8 \f f f' e e'8*4\)} \override Script #'padding = 
 #1 e
 e'2*1/2\fermata
 or
 \times 2/3 { g g'8*2 \f f f' e e'\)} \override Script #'padding = 
 #1 e
 e'2*1/2\fermata |
 
 I actually think that the default layout corresponds fairly well to common
 notation practice, though.
 
/Mats
 
 Zenith wrote:
 A stupide question!

 I just would like to move the last notes a bit more to the end(aproach to
 the bar) as it can be seem in the fotolog below

 http://www.fotolog.com/lilypondstudent/45749639

 here is a piece of code of the melody:

 8\\(  c c' d d' e e' f f'\! 
 \times 2/3 { g g'\f f f' e e'\)} \override Script #'padding = #1 e
 e'2\fermata

 Thx!
   
 
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automatic beaming in tuplets

2008-03-05 Thread luis jure

hello list,

i'm a beginner at lilypond, i know enough to enter music in a simple
way. i still don't know enough of the language to try elaborate tweaks,
but i find that usually lilypond is smart enough to produce good output
for music that's not too complex.

but i suspect that automatic beaming is not working correctly in
certain cases involving tuplets. i include a short snippet with the
corresponding image. i'm using a recently compiled 2.11.41 on linux.

in 4/4 time signature, eight notes are beamed every 4 notes (i. e. into
whole notes, m.1 in the example), which is of course correct; sixteenth
notes are also correctly beamed every 4 notes into quarter notes (m.2).
but 16th notes quintuplets and sextuplets are beamed into whole notes,
even if that means including a pair of eight notes (m3 and m4). the
same with 32nd septuplets (m5). normal 32nd notes, on the other hand,
are beamed every 4 notes into eight notes, while i find that beaming
every 8 notes is more standard. i find other anomalies, like the 8th
notes quintuplet beamed together with the preceding 8th notes (m6).

as a beginner, i don't know if these are bugs, my mistakes, or if that
is the intended behavior. in the last case, could i ask the authors to
reconsider the criteria used for automatic beaming? 

i know that you can adjust the beaming manually, or even change the
automatic beam behavior globally. but i think that the defaults should
be chosen in a way that requires as little manual tweaks as possible.

thank you for your attention.

best,

lj


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RE: Spacing around bar lines in 2.11.38 - links to example (fixed)

2008-03-05 Thread Steve Dunlop
Sorry about the bad PDF.  I had FTP'd it in text mode.

I have fixed the original PDF:
http://www.nerstrand.net/8lpf.pdf

And put all the files together into one .ly file for ease of viewing:
http://www.nerstrand.net/barexample.ly

And for good measure posted the PDF from the barexample.ly file:
http://www.nerstrand.net/barexample.pdf

And fixed the broken link:
http://www.nerstrand.net/bwv558.ly

Sorry for the mixup, and thanks for looking.

Steve

  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: Spacing around bar lines in 2.11.38 - links to example
 From: Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, March 05, 2008 4:15 am
 To: Steve Dunlop [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
 
 
 2008/3/4, Steve Dunlop [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  http://www.nerstrand.net/8lpf.pdf
 
 I cannot open your pdf :(
 
   I'm posting the whole thing because the overall spacing situation seems
   to be contributing to the problem.
 
 Could you please put all of it in a single file, and maybe post it on the 
 list?
 
   Sources:
 
   http://www.nerstrand.net/8lpf.ly
   http://www.nerstrand.net/bwv558.ly
   http://www.nerstrand.net/organscore.ly
 
 The second link isn't working :(
 
 Cheers,
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tuplet-type groups and bar check

2008-03-05 Thread David Fedoruk
Hello:

It seems when ever I use a grouping like this:

\time 2/4 \acciaccatura d8 d d'4 \times 4/5 { d'16[ b af f d] }  |

The bar check sees that as 9/20  the score I'm working with has a
quarter note and acciacatura and a 5 gouping which *should* be 5 16th
in the time of 4 making one quarter note. This should be correct, yet
I get this error. I have a feeling this may be the culprit in a repeat
volta I'm trying to trouble shoot.

There are occasions where Lilypond seems not to count acciacaturas and
grace time correctly or it gets confused. This is one where I have no
idea why it acts the way it does.  What am I not seeing?

Cheers
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Re: tuplet-type groups and bar check

2008-03-05 Thread Graham Percival
There's no problem with 2.11.41.  What version are you using?

Ceers,
- Graham

On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:56:29 -0800
David Fedoruk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello:
 
 It seems when ever I use a grouping like this:
 
 \time 2/4 \acciaccatura d8 d d'4 \times 4/5 { d'16[ b af f
 d] }  |
 
 The bar check sees that as 9/20  the score I'm working with has a
 quarter note and acciacatura and a 5 gouping which *should* be 5 16th
 in the time of 4 making one quarter note. This should be correct, yet
 I get this error. I have a feeling this may be the culprit in a repeat
 volta I'm trying to trouble shoot.
 
 There are occasions where Lilypond seems not to count acciacaturas and
 grace time correctly or it gets confused. This is one where I have no
 idea why it acts the way it does.  What am I not seeing?
 
 Cheers
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