Re: Notation Reference 1.8 Text : ready for review
Well, at least my personal source of knowledge and wisdom says so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX LaTeX (pronounced /ˈleɪtɛx/ or /ˈleɪtɛk/) is a document markup language and document preparation system This is a good description click on document preparation system: it redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_processor Uh, oh, this is a bad link. You should fix that in Wikipedia. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
Am Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:47:56 +0200 schrieb Alexander Kobel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: However, one suggestion: Have you talked about the size of the navigation sidebar? On my 13 MacBook (1280x800), there is /plenty/ of space wasted (default font settings in Firefox 3, haven't changed anything). Not sure about other browsers/OSs, and I have no clue if there are screens below 1024 horizontal resolution still in use in a noticeable number, but I guess I'd prefer a little narrower setting in favour of the main text. Just my two pence... Be aware that long lines are hard to read. (That's the reason why newspapers are typeset in multiple columns.) When it comes to screen resolution and web design, this is a real issue. One option (and my preferred) is to fix the width of the html and center the whole thing. Wasted space and screen resolutions are not good points, because they are very subjective and likely to change. Seb. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Measurement units for Stem Length (and in general)
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Jonathan Wilkes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused why the stem length shouldn't normally be 3 for a stem that spans three spaces. In the Internals Reference for stem, the unit for the setting length is given as dimension, in staff space. How is that different than a number? Is there a reference table somewhere that lists the units of measurement used by Lilypond? NR 3.4.3 Distances and measurements ? That said, this section of the docs is still being worked on, so it may be unclear or contain inaccuracies. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: embedded-ps stencil confusion
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:16:49 +0200 Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/5 Mark Polesky [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Patrick McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, Mark, that is really cool! This should be added to the LSR. Would you like me to add it? Sure! But here's a slightly different version that demonstrates the concept a little better (I think). To whomever adds it: please give us a ping in this thread, so Neil or I can tag it as docs. Can't normal users tag stuff with docs? Your or Neil would still need to Approve it, but surely you still want normal users to indicate whether they think it should be included in the docs or not. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Notation Reference 1.8 Text : ready for review
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:46:45 +0200
Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/10/5 Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Do you honestly consider LaTeX to be a word processor?
Well, at least my personal source of knowledge and wisdom says so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX
Well, your personal source of knowledge and wisdom sucks.
(ok, now I actually want to write a piece like that. This is the
first time I've ever been tempted to write a Cage-like piece. :)
Really? I thought you had already been working on Strasheela :-)
I use Strasheela to create Churney (sp) or Sevcek-style technical
exercises for violinists.
That said, I don't think you need a multi-page example here. Just
dump the example currently in Multi-page markup in here.
1- ... As a duplicate of the existing example?
I admit that's not perfect.
2- ... While people can access the already existing example and the
already existing explanations though the already existing obvious
link?
The docs aren't only in HTML format, you know. Give the pdf
readers a clue of what happens on page 184.
Basically, it comes down to this:
1. every non-obvious @predef needs an example in the main text.
2. there is no \markuplines example in the main text.
Either remove the \markuplines from the @predef, or add an
example.
I recommend removing \markuplines from the @predef, and change the
final paragraph to this:
Separate text blocks can be spread over multiple pages, making it
possible to print text documents or books entirely within
LilyPond. For more information, see @ref{Multi-page markup}.
Really, this the specific syntax it requires is an abomination
and disgrace to Mao. Every bloody specific documentation page
specifically discusses the specific syntax used to specifically
create specific notation.
Remember: Il semble que la perfection soit atteinte non quand il
n'y a plus rien _ ajouter, mais quand il n'y a plus rien _
retrancher.
If you can remove a word (or words) without changing the meaning
of a sentence, kill it with glee.
characters, as mentioned in @ref{New dynamic marks} and
@ref{Manual repeat marks}.
Where's this magical comma after the first @ref{} ?!
I thought you meant the @seealso list. AFAIC(H)R, the commas after
each @ref{} discussion was always about @seealso lists, not plain
sentences.
Texinfo insists on having punctuation after each @ref{}.
- markup as variables: why the complicated example? And why the
lack of [relative]?
Ever tried to define a variable inside a \relative block?
Ok, good point.
* Selecting font and font size
- second example: why the first note so much higher than the rest?
Because someone (can't remember who) told us to use relative=2 :-)
I've removed it now.
Umm, I was hinting that you should change the first f to b or c or
d. Not that you should use [relative=1].
It look a bit weird, as does the a,^\markup. Also, what do
the final two bars add to the example?
They make the line long enough to make sure the markup won't go
outside.
Ok. (unlike me, you *do* need the ego boost :)
OK, let me see. Oh, indeed, I must like this word: I used it about 20
times in text.itely alone. I find it reassuring for the user; it means
we know this syntax seems exotic to you, we know you won't understand
nor remember it at first, but it's normal: it's *specific*.
That's the silliest thing I've read in the past few months. The
key signature vs. accidental thing is *much* harder to understand
for newbies.
Look, this is the NR, not LM 2. The reader knows the basics.
They don't need ridiculous reassurance that ^\markup{ foo } is a
specific syntax.
ok, I'm bored again.
Did I ever mention you're easily bored? :-)
Editing documentation *is* boring. But I'll have you note that I
processed 99% of doc updates within a 12 hours for the *whole
year* that I was running GDP. And the remaining 1% was delayed
for academic work, not because I was bored did fun stuff instead.
Cheers,
- Graham
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Line spacing inside standalone markup
i have a complex standalone markup (XP + 2.11.61). A reduced version is
below.
In the pdf file, lines #3 and #4 collide; i would like between them the same
space as between #1 and #2, or #4 and #5.
PS: merging the 2 columns into one with the six lines is not an option,
because in the real situation the 2 columns are more complex and very
different.
\markup \column
{
\line
{
\column
{
Line #1
Line #2
Line #3
}
}
\line
{
\column
{
Line #4
Line #5
Line #6
}
}
}
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Re: Line spacing inside standalone markup
2008/10/6 sdfgsdhdshd [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In the pdf file, lines #3 and #4 collide; i would like between them the same space as between #1 and #2, or #4 and #5. Just add a \null before the second \line. Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: embedded-ps stencil confusion
2008/10/6 Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can't normal users tag stuff with docs? Your or Neil would still need to Approve it, but surely you still want normal users to indicate whether they think it should be included in the docs or not. Yes, I meant Approve. That being said, when we created these lowercase tags we specified (yeah, can't help using that word) that such tags were meant for the LSR editors to add. Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Line spacing inside standalone markup
Valentin Villenave wrote: 2008/10/6 sdfgsdhdshd [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In the pdf file, lines #3 and #4 collide; i would like between them the same space as between #1 and #2, or #4 and #5. Just add a \null before the second \line. This solve the example; it solves 80% of the real situation. Even after looking at the doc, i do not understand why? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Line-spacing-inside-standalone-markup-tp19838156p19838484.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Notation Reference 1.8 Text : ready for review
2008/10/6 Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Well, your personal source of knowledge and wisdom sucks.
Matter of generation: not everybody was lucky enough to live at the
glorious era of usenet, you know :-)
I recommend removing \markuplines from the @predef, and change the
final paragraph to this:
Separate text blocks can be spread over multiple pages, making it
possible to print text documents or books entirely within
LilyPond. For more information, see @ref{Multi-page markup}.
Will do.
Really, this the specific syntax it requires is an abomination
and disgrace to Mao. Every bloody specific documentation page
specifically discusses the specific syntax used to specifically
create specific notation.
You look in good shape these days, I have to say.
If you can remove a word (or words) without changing the meaning
of a sentence, kill it with glee.
I now understand why you no longer want to be a composer...
That's the silliest thing I've read in the past few months.
Mind if I take this as an ego boost? :-)
Editing documentation *is* boring. But I'll have you note that I
processed 99% of doc updates within a 12 hours for the *whole
year* that I was running GDP. And the remaining 1% was delayed
for academic work, not because I was bored did fun stuff instead.
Managing updates is definitely less unpleasant than writing doc stuff
on your own.
Especially when you like bossing around (speaking from personal experience) :-)
Cheers,
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Re: Line spacing inside standalone markup
sdfgsdhdshd wrote: Valentin Villenave wrote: 2008/10/6 sdfgsdhdshd [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In the pdf file, lines #3 and #4 collide; i would like between them the same space as between #1 and #2, or #4 and #5. Just add a \null before the second \line. This solve the example; it solves 80% of the real situation. Even after looking at the doc, i do not understand why? I mean: why the \null solved the spacing problem? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Line-spacing-inside-standalone-markup-tp19838156p19838754.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
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Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 6. Oktober 2008 schrieb Mark Polesky: However, one suggestion: Have you talked about the size of the navigation sidebar? ...One option (and my preferred) is to fix the width of the html and center the whole thing... Or allowing the user to move the separator left and right with the mouse. That's not really possible, since we are not using a frame and there is no separator there, just two HTML/CSS divs, which happen to have the correct with and position so they appear next to each other and fill the whole window. Cheers, Reinhold - -- - -- Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna University of Technology, Austria email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/ * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org, KOrganizer maintainer * Chorvereinigung Jung-Wien, http://www.jung-wien.at/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI6ifLTqjEwhXvPN0RAsq4AKDVzAqDO1QkzFwalU23xrpd4du6nwCfWNIa c0wnLaOsDY29vdOGfF6SzdA= =F4Yz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Samstag, 4. Oktober 2008 schrieb John Mandereau: Le samedi 04 octobre 2008 à 22:18 +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer a écrit : Am Samstag, 4. Oktober 2008 schrieb Robin Bannister: Without the prefix the title is then just e.g. Learning Manual, which corresponds to what you see in the documentation overview. Yes, but that was the only string (the title of the @top node), that is accessible from texinfo... I don't want to hardcode the manual names (and their translations!!!) into the .init script, which is -- although tailored to our ideas for our documentation -- very general and can be used with any other texinfo file just as well and make that look like our documentation. Maybe a compromise would be to add a hack in the .init file, which would remove GNU LilyPond - in the TOC title. Yes, that's what I finally resolved to... It's actually not simply removing GNU LilyPond - , but rather any of: - -) GNU LilyPond mdash; - -) GNU LilyPond ndash; - -) GNU LilyPond: This is probably a too simple idea, but what about adding [Documentation home] at beginning of the navigation bar [Top][Contents][Index][ ? ] In Patrick's latest design, the sidebar has a nice navbar at the top for this link, which I think is the best solution... I've implemented both, the removal of GNU LilyPond --- and the Back to Documentation Index in the .init file. Cheers, Reinhold - -- - -- Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna University of Technology, Austria email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/ * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org, KOrganizer maintainer * Chorvereinigung Jung-Wien, http://www.jung-wien.at/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI6ii5TqjEwhXvPN0RAhREAJ0dk8vaN6dSIS7BuM8IE3O11VrdgwCgshzL iF1PXK+YQQVuC4rckz/6HSg= =6T6G -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Sonntag, 5. Oktober 2008 schrieb Patrick McCarty: On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Robin Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick McCarty wrote: Can you clarify what you mean by the latest styling hiding this feature? Well, at the moment it is on a darkish grey background. I find it quite an effort reading on this background; it acts rather like a smoke screen. Not enough contrast I suppose. Okay, see if this design looks better: http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/lilypond-alt-index.html http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/internals-alt.html http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/snippets-alt.html I changed the following things: 1) Lighter grey background. Is this more readable? 2) Restyled the h4 header and stripped GNU LilyPond -- 3) Added a link back to the Documentation Index page where the h4 header used to be. (This is wrapped in p.../p) I've added class=toc_uplink to the p element (and adjustes the .css accordingly), so I'm not restricted from using other p elements in the toc frame. These pages also include my latest stylesheet changes, which I haven't submitted yet. Nonetheless, I simply took your current .css file from the server and applied it to git... I hope you don't mind ;-) Cheers, Reinhold - -- - -- Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna University of Technology, Austria email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/ * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org, KOrganizer maintainer * Chorvereinigung Jung-Wien, http://www.jung-wien.at/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI6isETqjEwhXvPN0RApjgAKCOv3v1ffbILoLo/rLP3DMAOYTRbwCfYhDs pP0VKhZiQ4/5YZwkMtFtWKI= =JlsL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Notation Reference 1.8 Text : ready for review
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:40:48 -0700 Patrick Horgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that I've learned the most from the online conversations between Graham and Valentin, and as a tribute to them, would like to give what to some may seem an overly obvious interpretation of the undercurrents in their communications. I approve of your efforts, grasshopper. They are not always correct, but is not the journey more important than the destination? Graham Percival wrote:On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:44:27 +0200 Also, what do you mean by using a specific syntax? (same paragraph) Obviously a syntax which is specific, you maoing (maoing mean in such a way as to be in spiritual communion with chairman mao) I must clarify this one point: I started using the word Mao before I discovered that there was a famous person with that name. I was slightly disappointed by this -- more so when I discovered what he had done. After a bit of thought, I decided that he couldn't claim ownership over one of the few remaining three-letter combinations in the English language that were easy to pronounce but weren't already words. So when I write Mao, it has *nothing* to do with chairman mao. The word this refers back to a specific syntax, which doesn't tell the reader anything. I mean, what's a non-specific syntax? Ah, the master pauses to see if we pay attention. The obvious answer is that it is a syntax which does not support the needs of the collective, but in a deeper and more spiritual, non-obvious sense, it is a syntax which is non-specific! I hope I deserve your approval master. Such syntaxes (syntae?) do indeed not support the *immediate* need of the collective -- but there are many other needs. Indeed, do we not all require deep spiritual teaching? This teaching points us to a greater understanding of non-specific syntax; otherwise known as metasyntactic variables. For example, function-name = #(define-music-function (arg1 arg2) (type1 type2) ... ) This is clearly not specific syntax, but remains vital to our deeper understanding of the Mysteries of LilyPond. I said an example, not an @example. Or to put it in another way, If you want to know the taste of a pear, you must change the pear by eating it yourself. If you want to know the theory and methods of revolution, you must take part in revolution. All genuine knowledge originates in direct experience.--Mao Zedong Very true. This is why GDP has added so many more direct examples, rather than describing code as text. You don't need to quote stuff that you've done. I know that I'm right. I really don't need the ego boost of having you tell me. :) Yes, the master shows us that the ego is nothing and we are all one in a cosmic all--or to put it in another way, the collective is everything and we are nothing except so far as we find our fulfillment in the achievements of the party. Indeed -- from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. We may partake in the bounty of Open Source as much as we need, and should contribute according to our ability (including the ability to desire to contribute). That's as far as I got before I got bored. A clear and obvious reference to T. Lobsang Rampa, who decried the western aversion of boredom as a fleeing from the meditative trance state. The master is letting us know that it was time for him to meditate, and indeed it is time for all of us to meditate. Most verily so -- if by meditate, one means eat breakfast. For we cannot function properly without a proper diet consisting of balanced meals[1]. Cheers, - Graham [1] My balanced diet for breakfast consists of pizza and coke, followed by tea and chocolate-chip cookies. All food groups accounted for! ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
keep-inside-line ignores rehearsal marks, v2.11.60
Hi everybody!
When self-alignment-X is set to #-1 for a rehearsal mark its extent seems to be
ignored by the keep-inside-line setting. Is this behaviour intendend? And if
so, how do I keep marks inside the page column limits?
Example:
\relative c'' {
\override Score.PaperColumn #'keep-inside-line = ##t
\override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #-1
\repeat unfold 4 {c4 c c c}
\mark \markup {long Mark}
\repeat unfold 6 {c4 c c c}
}
Kind regards,
Thies Albrecht
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Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
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Re: Notation Reference 1.8 Text : ready for review
On 10/6/08 10:12 AM, Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:40:48 -0700 Patrick Horgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graham Percival wrote:On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:44:27 +0200 Also, what do you mean by using a specific syntax? (same paragraph) Obviously a syntax which is specific, you maoing (maoing mean in such a way as to be in spiritual communion with chairman mao) I must clarify this one point: I started using the word Mao before I discovered that there was a famous person with that name. I was slightly disappointed by this -- more so when I discovered what he had done. After a bit of thought, I decided that he couldn't claim ownership over one of the few remaining three-letter combinations in the English language that were easy to pronounce but weren't already words. So when I write Mao, it has *nothing* to do with chairman mao. Ah -- finally I get an explanation of mao in the writings of Graham. Obviously the M in WTM has just as much meaning as the F in WTF, but I have never before been able to find out when or why mao began to be used in place of less acceptable expletives. Thanks for the explanation (and thanks for using mao instead of the other version!) Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
Kurt Kroon wrote: the CSS quasi-frames already provide the affordance of a fixed navigation frame, so it isn't necessary to make their backgrounds matchy-matchy. I don't understand which background areas you are referring to. By navigation bars I was referring to the horizontal stripes where you can click to go up or along. These are embedded in the main pane; they move with it when you scroll. Yes, the TOC panel is fixed in this way. If you arrive at a web page with - a list of things in a vertical strip on the left you would probably expect this to be for navigation. If, additionally, - the things are shortish and more or less regularly arranged - there is not much else, e.g. no long sentences it becomes that much more likely. The TOC panel fits this very well. The links in our ... designs provide affordance of clickability by being underlined I suggest that as long as the TOC panel (or whatever) is easily recognised as being for navigation there is no need to indicate clickability. See also [1]. In fact, I think the TOC has too many sorts of indications at the moment. Unlike the main pane, it is not for normal reading, but for scanning: eyewise, you zoom out a bit and apply a sort of filter. This filter gets bogged down by the underlining and the different colours. Scanning is slower and takes more effort. And you can no longer see the breadcrumbs at a glance. They are indeed italic and bold, but - their unity is broken (they can differ in colour) - they do not stand out (they are mottled in mottled surroundings). Which means I'm going against a Nielsen thing - the colouring of visited links. But he is mostly concerned with sporadic visits to typical web sites. This corresponds to use cases like: - somebody working through LM for the first time - after a new stable release somebody reads through AU again. But the main doc usage is surely referring to NR/IR(/LM) to solve problems. And here, the history of yesterdays problem is still prominent when consulting the docs about today's different problem. There is a masking, and after a few such consultations visited has lost its effectiveness. So as far as links in the navigation areas are concerned, I think something like the old styling is the way to go. [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-09/msg00511.html Cheers, Robinattachment: current.pngattachment: previous.png___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
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passing a Context to a scheme function (format-metronome-markup)
I'm experimenting with calling (format-metronome-markup) directly,
but I'm having difficulty with the context argument.
// main code:
(define-public (format-metronome-markup text dur count context)
...
My code:
\header{
piece = #(format-metronome-markup Allegro 4 120 'Global)
}
\relative c' { c }
Error message:
foo.ly:3:11: error: GUILE signaled an error for the expression
beginning here
piece = #
(format-metronome-markup Allegro 4 120 'Global)
Wrong type argument in position 1 (expecting Context): Global
I've tried #f, '(), 'void, 'Score, and a few other things I can't
remember. The only time that context occurs in the function is
(let* ((hide_note (eq? #t (ly:context-property context
'tempoHideNote))) which doesn't concern me -- I want this to always
resolve to false. How do I give the function a Context?
Cheers,
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Problems with Hairpins
I am trying to write notes to practice bow pressure on Violin. To practice,
we play the same note with different crescendo/decrescendo patterns.
What i am trying to do is in the image below called hairpin
http://www.nabble.com/file/p19847565/hairpin.png
In Lilypond, I did the following:
\version 2.11.61
\layout {
indent = 0.0\cm % remove indent on first staff
}
waves = \relative c' {
\override Hairpin #'minimum-length = #6
% 1. P F
\repeat percent 2 { d2\p\ ~ d\!\f }
% 2. F P
\repeat percent 2 { d2\f\ ~ d\!\p }
% 3. P F P
d4\p { s4 s\ ~ d4\ ~ d4\! \p }
% 4. F P F
d4\f { s4 s\ ~ d4\ ~ d4\! \f }
}
\score {
\waves
\header {
piece = Waves
}
}
but this gives the following result:
http://www.nabble.com/file/p19847565/lily-result.jpg
Problems are that the first hairpins are too short
The 3rd and 4th are uneven and the tie between the first notes does not
work.
Any ideas how to accomplish that?
http://www.nabble.com/file/p19847565/waves.ly waves.ly
http://www.nabble.com/file/p19847565/waves.pdf waves.pdf
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Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: This is always a good argument (similar things should look similar), however, I think in our case we can afford to use a nicer color in the sidebar, since it is already spacially separated from the contents (by having its own column on the left). I would turn this argument around. Since the side bar is already recognisable as separate, colour need not be used to show that it is separate. (See [1]) This means we are free to use colour to show something else. This is an opportunity. What would the reason for wasting it be? So the TOC panel is (e.g.) pale yellow all over. Navigation bars too. The pale yellow/light brown would make the navbars almost invisible on TFT screens, so I think the current state is much better. I wasn't *recommending* pale yellow. I was trying to be neutral with respect to hue and therefore quoted - Patrick's colour - as an example. On kainhofer.com it is pale yellow too. So what/where is the current state? [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-09/msg01002.html Cheers, Robin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Problems with Hairpins
Hi Antheo,
Problems are that the first hairpins are too short
The 3rd and 4th are uneven and the tie between the first notes does
not work.
Any ideas how to accomplish that?
Perhaps something like
%
\version 2.11.59
\layout {
indent = 0.0\cm % remove indent on first staff
}
waves = \relative c' {
\override Hairpin #'minimum-length = #10
% 1. P F
\repeat percent 2 { d2\p\ ~ d\!\f }
% 2. F P
\repeat percent 2 { d2\f\ ~ d\!\p }
\set Score.proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 8)
\override Hairpin #'minimum-length = #5
% 3. P F P
d4\p\ ~ d4\! ~ d4\ ~ d4\p
% 4. F P F
d4\f\ ~ d4\! ~ d4\ ~ d4\f
}
\score {
\waves
\header {
piece = Waves
}
}
%
HTH!
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Headword for unfretted-strings
I'm ready for an inspiring example of string music as the headword for NR 2.3 Unfretted string instruments. A fragment of a string quartet maybe? Any suggestions or volunteers to produce one? Trevor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Headword for unfretted-strings
I wouldn't mind doing that. I have some Beethoven quartet scores from which I could choose something, perhaps? It would be cool to do something more modern if it's in public domain. Jon Trevor Daniels wrote: I'm ready for an inspiring example of string music as the headword for NR 2.3 Unfretted string instruments. A fragment of a string quartet maybe? Any suggestions or volunteers to produce one? Trevor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Headword for unfretted-strings
Hi all, It would be cool to do something more modern if it's in public domain. Ravel and Debussy are both PD, as are the early Webern that were published in the U.S. before the 1920s. Best, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Amendment to the documentation 2.10.33
Section 3.4 of the lilypond manual describes how to produce a multi-part score, and it also talks about condensing multibar rests. It would be useful if it was made clear here that the and commands are needed in this context - see the message in the user archives at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-02/msg00275.html. It took me quite a while to find this solution. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: scheme music function going backwards in time (orbetter mp dolce) [solved]
Graham == Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only problem is that the dynamics of the new commands are not reflected in the MIDI output. Graham Hmm... I can't get concerned about that. I guess that Graham somebody writing piano music might care, but since I write for Graham strings and strings are so hard to synthesize, I never use Graham MIDI for anything other than note-checking. I care ... I want to drive the robot fiddler next... http://www.voiceanddata.com.au/contents/12391-Robotic-violin-player-performs-in-masterclass (and we're working on a follow-on to the robot clarinet, too). Peter C ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Piano staff, single staff polyphony and lyrics
Hello,
I'm trying to create a score which contains a piano staff, has single
staff polyphony and has lyrics placed between the staves (only one
voice). I have managed to create the staves and the different voices,
but whatever I try I can't get the lyrics to work. I've been struggling
with the lyrics for at least 12 hours, so I wouldn't mind if someone
would help. I've read through the relevant sections of the documentation
time after time, but the examples there don't quite fit into my
situation.
This part of the documentation
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Piano-templates#Piano-templates
explains how to place lyrics between the staves, but I haven't managed
to apply the instruction to single staff polyphony.
This page
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Single-staff-polyphony#Single-staff-polyphony
explains how to do single staff polyphony, but the syntax used to create
the staves is different from the document above, and I haven't been able
to mix the information of these two. I've studied several other pages
too.
So, how do I place the lyrics between the staves? How about two of them?
(I might figure that out myself, after I learn to do one). It would be
nice to know the (structurally) simplest possible way. Or, if some extra
bits would be useful, I'd like to know what the each bit is for (I like
to understand what I do, so that I'm able to apply it to other
situations).
Here's the beginning of the score:
..
\version 2.10.33
sopraano = \relative c'' {
\key g \major
\cadenzaOn
g4( a) b b a2 gis
\bar |
a4 b c b a gis a1
\bar | \break
b2 a a a4( gis) a b c2( b) a2. b4\rest
\bar | \break
}
altto = \relative c' {
d2( g4) g e2 e
e4 g g g e e e1
e2 e e e e4 g g1 e2.
}
tenori = \relative c' {
\clef bass
\key g \major
b4( c) d d c2 b
c4 d e d c b c1
d2 c c c4( b) c d e2( d) c2.
}
basso = \relative c' {
g2. g4 a2 e
a4 g c, g' a e a a,1
gis gis,2 a a, a a, a a,4( e) a g c,2( g') a2. d,4\rest
}
\score {
\new PianoStaff
\new Staff
{ \sopraano } \\
{ \altto }
\new Staff
{ \tenori } \\
{ \basso }
}
.
Perhaps I might take this opportunity to ask another question. Is there
a way to make the first line of the piano score to start from the
beginning of the page, like the other lines?
Oh, and yet another: is it possible to have slurs to be placed between
the tips of the stems, instead of between the note heads? This is how
it's typically done for the music I'm trying to notate.
I'm very grateful for any help.
Regards,
Ari Torhamo
P.S. Lilypond makes wonderful looking scores (only if making them would
be a little easier :-) (yes, I tried the graphical front ends, but
unfortunately they were too buggy)
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Re: Problems with Hairpins
thanks, i learned a new trick with the make-moment.
Kieren MacMillan wrote:
Hi Antheo,
Problems are that the first hairpins are too short
The 3rd and 4th are uneven and the tie between the first notes does
not work.
Any ideas how to accomplish that?
Perhaps something like
%
\version 2.11.59
\layout {
indent = 0.0\cm % remove indent on first staff
}
waves = \relative c' {
\override Hairpin #'minimum-length = #10
% 1. P F
\repeat percent 2 { d2\p\ ~ d\!\f }
% 2. F P
\repeat percent 2 { d2\f\ ~ d\!\p }
\set Score.proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 8)
\override Hairpin #'minimum-length = #5
% 3. P F P
d4\p\ ~ d4\! ~ d4\ ~ d4\p
% 4. F P F
d4\f\ ~ d4\! ~ d4\ ~ d4\f
}
\score {
\waves
\header {
piece = Waves
}
}
%
HTH!
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Re: Headword for unfretted-strings
Ok I've put together six bars of the Ravel quartet. File is attached so
you can see it looks like it'll be appropriate. It would be nice to
have a couple of fingerings and bowing indications, but this passage
didn't have any. There are some pizz. and arco and up-bow on the next
system but it would get long if I kept going. Should I go ahead and
include the next few bars?
This still needs some tweaking to make it look like the original
(tighten staff spacing, get rid of the time signature) but otherwise I
like how it looks.
BTW thanks to Mark Polesky for the sweet scheme snippet that I've
adapted to make the indication for 4th string look almost exactly like
the original. He was using it to make stylish movement numbers, but I
tweaked it a bit to make it work for this.
Jon
Kieren MacMillan wrote:
Hi all,
It would be cool to do something more modern if it's in public domain.
Ravel and Debussy are both PD, as are the early Webern that were
published in the U.S. before the 1920s.
Best,
Kieren.
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%**
% Inspirational header for Unfretted Strings section %
% of Lilypond Documentation. This passage is taken %
% from Ravel's String Quartet.%
% %
\version 2.11.61
#(set-global-staff-size 15)
\paper{
ragged-end=##t
line-width=17\cm
indent=0\cm
}
\layout {
\context { \Score
\remove Bar_number_engraver
\override PaperColumn #'keep-inside-line = ##t
\override NonMusicalPaperColumn #'keep-inside-line = ##t
}
}
%*** MACROS **%
#(define (octave-up m t)
(let* ((octave (1- t))
(new-note (ly:music-deep-copy m))
(new-pitch (ly:make-pitch
octave
(ly:pitch-notename (ly:music-property m 'pitch))
(ly:pitch-alteration (ly:music-property m 'pitch)
(set! (ly:music-property new-note 'pitch) new-pitch)
new-note))
#(define (octavize-chord elements t)
(cond ((null? elements) elements)
((eq? (ly:music-property (car elements) 'name) 'NoteEvent)
(cons (car elements)
(cons (octave-up (car elements) t)
(octavize-chord (cdr elements) t
(else (cons (car elements) (octavize-chord (cdr elements ) t)
#(define (octavize music t)
(if (eq? (ly:music-property music 'name) 'EventChord)
(ly:music-set-property! music 'elements (octavize-chord
(ly:music-property music 'elements) t)))
music)
octaves = #(define-music-function (parser location arg mus) (integer? ly:music?)
(music-map (lambda (x) (octavize x arg)) mus))
%\relative c' { d e \octaves #-1 { \times 2/3 {f g c }}} % this is an example
of the macro in practice
%*
% This is a sweet macro by Mark Polesky to make the 4th-string
% indication look like it did in the original score
%
#(define-markup-command (No layout props n) (string?)
(define (format-char c)
(let ((s (string c)))
(if (number? (string-number s))
(markup #:hspace 0.125 #:number s #:hspace 0.125)
(markup #:hspace 0 #:fontsize 2 s
(define (format-string s i)
(let ((n (string-length s)))
(if (= n 0)
(markup #:null)
(markup (format-char (string-ref s i))
(if (= (+ i 1) n)
(markup #:null)
(format-string s (+ i 1)))
(let ((i (string-length n)))
(interpret-markup layout props
(markup
#:concat (
#:concat (
#:fontsize 3 4
#:hspace 0.5
#:override '(baseline-skip . 0.825)
#:override '(direction . 1)
#:dir-column (
#:fontsize 2 #:center-align .
#:fontsize 1 #:center-align e
)
)
#:hspace 0.75
#:concat (
(format-string n 0)
#:fontsize 2
)
)
)
)
)
)
%%%5
poco = \markup { \italic { \fontsize #+2.0 poco }}
apoco = \markup { \italic { \fontsize #+2.0 a }}
menovivo = \markup { \bold { \fontsize #+3.0 { Poco meno vivo} } }
pocorit = \markup { \bold { \fontsize #+3.0 { poco rit.} } }
pocodim = \markup { \italic { \fontsize #+2.0 un poco dim. }}
vlnOne = \relative c''' {
\key f \major
\time 4/4
% \override TupletNumber #'stencil = ##f
\override TupletBracket #'bracket-visibility = ##f
\set tupletSpannerDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 4)
\once \override TextScript #'extra-offset = #'( -3.8 . 0.5 )
es4^\apoco
\once \override TextScript #'extra-offset = #'( -1.0 . -0.8 )
\times 2/3 { c8(^\poco d es) } es4 \times 2/3 { c8( d es) } | % 1
es4\ff\ \times 2/3 { c8( d es) } es4 \times 2/3 { c8( d es)\! } | % 2
\grace { a,,8[(
Re: Piano staff, single staff polyphony and lyrics
Ari,
Perhaps you can use the file attached to the following thread as a template:
http://www.nabble.com/Shrinking-to-fit-on-a-single-page-td19810965.html
His posting was asking how to fit the piece on a single page, but his
song has lyrics between the staves and each staff has multiple voices on
it. Download the file called ThereIsAFountain-1.ly.
To remove the indentation on the first line put this inside your \paper
block:
indent=0\cm
I know you can make the slurs attach to the stem side if you use
phrasing slurs and use either ^ or _ to tell it which direction to go:
\relative c' { fis2^\( ~ fis4 g c,\) }
Is that what you mean?
Hope that helps!
Jon
Ari Torhamo wrote:
Hello,
I'm trying to create a score which contains a piano staff, has single
staff polyphony and has lyrics placed between the staves (only one
voice). I have managed to create the staves and the different voices,
but whatever I try I can't get the lyrics to work. I've been struggling
with the lyrics for at least 12 hours, so I wouldn't mind if someone
would help. I've read through the relevant sections of the documentation
time after time, but the examples there don't quite fit into my
situation.
This part of the documentation
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Piano-templates#Piano-templates
explains how to place lyrics between the staves, but I haven't managed
to apply the instruction to single staff polyphony.
This page
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Single-staff-polyphony#Single-staff-polyphony
explains how to do single staff polyphony, but the syntax used to create
the staves is different from the document above, and I haven't been able
to mix the information of these two. I've studied several other pages
too.
So, how do I place the lyrics between the staves? How about two of them?
(I might figure that out myself, after I learn to do one). It would be
nice to know the (structurally) simplest possible way. Or, if some extra
bits would be useful, I'd like to know what the each bit is for (I like
to understand what I do, so that I'm able to apply it to other
situations).
Here's the beginning of the score:
..
\version 2.10.33
sopraano = \relative c'' {
\key g \major
\cadenzaOn
g4( a) b b a2 gis
\bar |
a4 b c b a gis a1
\bar | \break
b2 a a a4( gis) a b c2( b) a2. b4\rest
\bar | \break
}
altto = \relative c' {
d2( g4) g e2 e
e4 g g g e e e1
e2 e e e e4 g g1 e2.
}
tenori = \relative c' {
\clef bass
\key g \major
b4( c) d d c2 b
c4 d e d c b c1
d2 c c c4( b) c d e2( d) c2.
}
basso = \relative c' {
g2. g4 a2 e
a4 g c, g' a e a a,1
gis gis,2 a a, a a, a a,4( e) a g c,2( g') a2. d,4\rest
}
\score {
\new PianoStaff
\new Staff
{ \sopraano } \\
{ \altto }
\new Staff
{ \tenori } \\
{ \basso }
}
.
Perhaps I might take this opportunity to ask another question. Is there
a way to make the first line of the piano score to start from the
beginning of the page, like the other lines?
Oh, and yet another: is it possible to have slurs to be placed between
the tips of the stems, instead of between the note heads? This is how
it's typically done for the music I'm trying to notate.
I'm very grateful for any help.
Regards,
Ari Torhamo
P.S. Lilypond makes wonderful looking scores (only if making them would
be a little easier :-) (yes, I tried the graphical front ends, but
unfortunately they were too buggy)
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