avoid slur help
I'm having some difficulty understanding the 'avoid-slur property.
This doesn't work:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
c2*1/2( s4^\markup {\natural} d4.) c8
}
In fact, it increases the space between the slur and the notes, but
doesn't move the markup down.
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also, lyric help
I'm trying to figure out ways to incorporate lyrics associated with
different voices. I can only seem to get it to work using
associatedVoice. Is this possible using \lyricsto?
\version 2.11.65
instrument = \relative c' {
\context Voice = NumberOne { c4 d e f }
\context Voice = NumberTwo { c4 d e f }
\context Voice = NumberThree { c4 d e f }
\context Voice = NumberOne { c'4 b a g }
\context Voice = NumberTwo { c4 b a g }
\context Voice = NumberThree { c b a g }
}
Text = \context Lyrics {
\lyricsto NumberOne { Cee Dee Eee Eff }
\lyricsto NumberTwo { Doh Re Mi Fa }
\lyricsto NumberThree { This is my text. }
\lyricsto NumberOne { Cee Bee Ay Gee }
\lyricsto NumberTwo { Doh Ti La Sol }
\lyricsto NumberThree { Here is some more. }
}
TextTwo = \context Lyrics \lyricmode {
\set associatedVoice = #NumberOne { Cee4 Dee Eee Eff }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberTwo { Doh4 Re Mi Fa }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberThree { This4 is my text. }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberOne { Cee4 Bee Ay Gee }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberTwo { Doh4 Ti La Sol }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberThree { Here4 is some more. }
}
\score {
\new Staff \instrument
\Text
}
\score {
\new Staff \instrument
\TextTwo
}
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Re: avoid slur help
james wrote:
I'm having some difficulty understanding the 'avoid-slur property. This
doesn't work:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
c2*1/2( s4^\markup {\natural} d4.) c8
}
In fact, it increases the space between the slur and the notes, but
doesn't move the markup down.
Hi James,
So, do you want to move the natural markup down? When I comment out the
avoid-slur line in your code, the result looks pretty good to me (much
better than it does with the avoid-slur). If you want to move the
natural closer to the staff, though, it's certainly possible. Try
looking at the Moving Objects section in the Learning Manual to see
how to move the markup around:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond-learning/Moving-objects#Moving-objects
HTH,
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Re: avoid slur help
Am 26.12.2008 um 13:15 schrieb Jonathan Kulp:
james wrote:
I'm having some difficulty understanding the 'avoid-slur property.
This doesn't work:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
c2*1/2( s4^\markup {\natural} d4.) c8
}
In fact, it increases the space between the slur and the notes,
but doesn't move the markup down.
Hi James,
So, do you want to move the natural markup down?
No, I want the natural under the slur. Which I what I thought inside
did.
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Re: avoid slur help
James E. Bailey wrote:
Am 26.12.2008 um 13:15 schrieb Jonathan Kulp:
james wrote:
I'm having some difficulty understanding the 'avoid-slur property.
This doesn't work:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
c2*1/2( s4^\markup {\natural} d4.) c8
}
In fact, it increases the space between the slur and the notes, but
doesn't move the markup down.
Hi James,
So, do you want to move the natural markup down?
No, I want the natural under the slur. Which I what I thought inside did.
You can make it go under the slur with extra-offset:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override TextScript #'extra-offset = #'( 0.0 . -4.0)
% \override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
c2*1/2( s4^\markup {\natural} d4.) c8
}
Is the natural sign supposed to apply to the D? If so then I'd just use
d!4. instead.
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Re: avoid slur help
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Am Freitag, 26. Dezember 2008 14:33:11 schrieb Jonathan Kulp:
James E. Bailey wrote:
Am 26.12.2008 um 13:15 schrieb Jonathan Kulp:
james wrote:
I'm having some difficulty understanding the 'avoid-slur property.
This doesn't work:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
c2*1/2( s4^\markup {\natural} d4.) c8
}
In fact, it increases the space between the slur and the notes, but
doesn't move the markup down.
Hi James,
So, do you want to move the natural markup down?
No, I want the natural under the slur. Which I what I thought inside did.
Apparently, it reserves space for the natural below the slur, but still places
the natural above the slur. Looks like a bug to me...
You can make it go under the slur with extra-offset:
the problem with extra-offset is that this does not affect spacing at all! In
particular, the skyline (that is used for staff spacing and for collisions
with other objects) will still be the same old skyline as it was before the
extra-offset. See the attached sample with skyline-debugging enabled. Notice
that LilyPond still reserves space for the natural above the slur!
Is the natural sign supposed to apply to the D?
I'm not sure.
If so then I'd just use d!4. instead.
No, it was common practice to put accidentals above notes in older times.
Sometimes these were meant to be optional, sometimes they were cautinary
accidentals. In any case, if you try to be close to the source, you should
write it above the note and not as d!4.
Cheers,
Reinhold
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* Financial Actuarial Math., Vienna Univ. of Technology, Austria
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* LilyPond, Music typesetting, http://www.lilypond.org
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#(ly:set-option 'debug-skylines #t)
\relative c'' {
\override TextScript #'extra-offset = #'( 0.0 . -4.0)
% \override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
c2*1/2( s4^\markup {\natural} d4.) c8
}
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Re: avoid slur help
On 26.12.2008 (15:06), Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: If so then I'd just use d!4. instead. No, it was common practice to put accidentals above notes in older times. Sometimes these were meant to be optional, sometimes they were cautinary accidentals. In any case, if you try to be close to the source, you should write it above the note and not as d!4. Slight correction: it is customary in modern editions to put editorial accidentals above the note. They are not optional, but frequently left to the performer to apply, according to more or less strict rules (see Musica ficta in the docs). Eyolf -- It's all GNU to me. -- From a Slashdot.org post ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: avoid slur help
Hi James, 2008/12/26 James E. Bailey derhindem...@googlemail.com: No, I want the natural under the slur. Which I what I thought inside did. You'll have to turn off 'outside-staff-priority for TextScript, since it takes precendence over 'avoid-slur. \override TextScript #'outside-staff-priority = ##f Regards, Neil ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: also, lyric help
Am 2008-12-26 um 12:38 schrieb james:
I'm trying to figure out ways to incorporate lyrics associated with
different voices. I can only seem to get it to work using
associatedVoice. Is this possible using \lyricsto?
\version 2.11.65
instrument = \relative c' {
\context Voice = NumberOne { c4 d e f }
\context Voice = NumberTwo { c4 d e f }
\context Voice = NumberThree { c4 d e f }
\context Voice = NumberOne { c'4 b a g }
\context Voice = NumberTwo { c4 b a g }
\context Voice = NumberThree { c b a g }
}
Text = \context Lyrics {
\lyricsto NumberOne { Cee Dee Eee Eff }
\lyricsto NumberTwo { Doh Re Mi Fa }
\lyricsto NumberThree { This is my text. }
\lyricsto NumberOne { Cee Bee Ay Gee }
\lyricsto NumberTwo { Doh Ti La Sol }
\lyricsto NumberThree { Here is some more. }
}
TextTwo = \context Lyrics \lyricmode {
\set associatedVoice = #NumberOne { Cee4 Dee Eee Eff }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberTwo { Doh4 Re Mi Fa }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberThree { This4 is my text. }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberOne { Cee4 Bee Ay Gee }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberTwo { Doh4 Ti La Sol }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberThree { Here4 is some more. }
}
\score {
\new Staff \instrument
\Text
}
\score {
\new Staff \instrument
\TextTwo
}
Your nesting seems strange to me.
Try:
upperVoice = \relative c'' {
%
}
lowerVoice = \relative c' {
%
}
textOne = \lyricmode {
% You know how to write ly -- rics, don’t you?
}
textTwo = \lyricmode {
% You know how to write ly -- rics, don’t you?
}
\score {
\context Staff = Upper
\context Voice = one \upperVoice
\lyricsto one \new Lyrics { \textOne }
\context Staff = Lower
\context Voice = two \lowerVoice
\lyricsto two \new Lyrics { \textTwo }
}
Maybe that's oldfashioned, but it works for me (with 2.10.33).
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Re: avoid slur help
2008/12/26 james derhindem...@googlemail.com:
I'm having some difficulty understanding the 'avoid-slur property. This
doesn't work:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
c2*1/2( s4^\markup {\natural} d4.) c8
}
What's the musical sense of this?
Maybe what you want is
\set suggestAccidentals = ##t
c2( d!4.) c8
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Re: Custom articulations/pitched single-note trills
2008/12/21 gnomino gnom...@hotmail.com:
I'm not top posting
Thanks for your help.
I was just wondering, is there any reason that \pitchedTrill only works with
trill spanners?
That's just the way it's coded in the Pitched_trill_engraver; there's
no way of using it for any other purpose without recoding or hacking
trill spanners (see below).
I soon discovered that I needed to typeset pitched mordents in
addition to pitched trills, and since it would be tedious to create a set of
\artSharp, \artNatural, \artFlat, \artSharpSharp, etc. for every
articulation, I
came up with the following general function:
I've never seen a mordent typeset this way; it's customary to put the
pitch above or below the articulation. Nevertheless, here's a hack
using a trill spanner which will allow you to typeset any articulation
with a parenthesized pitch:
pitchedArtic =
#(define-music-function (parser location str main-note paren next-note)
(string? ly:music? ly:music? ly:music?)
(let* ((get-notes (lambda (ev-chord)
(filter
(lambda (m) (eq? 'NoteEvent (ly:music-property m 'name)))
(ly:music-property ev-chord 'elements
(paren-notes (get-notes paren)))
(if (pair? paren-notes)
(begin
(let*
((paren-pitch (ly:music-property (car paren-notes) 'pitch))
(forced (ly:music-property (car paren-notes ) 'force-accidental #f)))
(if (ly:pitch? paren-pitch)
(begin
(ly:music-set-property! main-note 'elements
(cons (make-music
'TrillSpanEvent
'force-accidental forced
'pitch paren-pitch
'span-direction START)
(ly:music-property main-note 'elements)))
(ly:music-set-property! next-note 'elements
(cons stopTrillSpan
(ly:music-property next-note 'elements
(begin
(ly:warning (_ Second argument should be single note: ))
(display paren-notes)))
)))
(make-music 'SequentialMusic
'origin location
'elements (list #{
\once \override TrillSpanner #'style = #'dashed-line
\once \override TrillSpanner #'dash-period = #-1
\once \override TrillSpanner #'(bound-details left text) =
#(make-musicglyph-markup (format scripts.~a $str))
#}
main-note next-note
\relative c' {
\pitchedArtic mordent cis b
\pitchedArtic prall c des
c2
}
Regards,
Neil
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Re: avoid slur help
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 03:50:46PM +0100, Eyolf ?strem wrote: On 26.12.2008 (15:06), Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: If so then I'd just use d!4. instead. No, it was common practice to put accidentals above notes in older times. Sometimes these were meant to be optional, sometimes they were cautinary accidentals. In any case, if you try to be close to the source, you should write it above the note and not as d!4. Slight correction: it is customary in modern editions to put editorial accidentals above the note. They are not optional, but frequently left to the performer to apply, according to more or less strict rules (see Musica ficta in the docs). Thanks, Eyolf. I was going to post something very sarcastic. :) No, wait -- I'm going to do that anyway. *ahem* To everybody apart from Eyolf who posted in this thread: musica ficta can be found through a see also link under NR 1.1 Accidentals, directly in NR 2.8.3 Annotational accidentals (musica ficta), or in NR appendix F index. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
rearrange music flow
Hello Lily-users, after few arrangements and engraving from my own manuscripts I'm trying to move my composing work to Lilypond (without paper sheets). I guess this is rare but IMHO worth to try. Till now I puzzle over a problem each time when I need several measures from one place in the score (all parts together, maybe with lyrics) repeat somewhere in the middle of the piece or rearrange music flow in general. Some advance can be a naming (variables) relatively small chunks of music, each bar or so. But this way source reading becomes complicated. I can imagine some intermediate element between Staff (StaffGroup) and Score in the Lilypond hierarchy, which includes sevaral staves but neither starts new line nor puts clef, key and time signature. Maybe I'm missing something and a way does exist in Lilypond to achieve such flexibility? (Sorry I'm not so brave to dive into Scheme coding). Season greatings! Antanas Budriūnas ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: also, lyric help
Am 26.12.2008 um 16:24 schrieb fiëé visuëlle:
Am 2008-12-26 um 12:38 schrieb james:
I'm trying to figure out ways to incorporate lyrics associated
with different voices. I can only seem to get it to work using
associatedVoice. Is this possible using \lyricsto?
\version 2.11.65
instrument = \relative c' {
\context Voice = NumberOne { c4 d e f }
\context Voice = NumberTwo { c4 d e f }
\context Voice = NumberThree { c4 d e f }
\context Voice = NumberOne { c'4 b a g }
\context Voice = NumberTwo { c4 b a g }
\context Voice = NumberThree { c b a g }
}
Text = \context Lyrics {
\lyricsto NumberOne { Cee Dee Eee Eff }
\lyricsto NumberTwo { Doh Re Mi Fa }
\lyricsto NumberThree { This is my text. }
\lyricsto NumberOne { Cee Bee Ay Gee }
\lyricsto NumberTwo { Doh Ti La Sol }
\lyricsto NumberThree { Here is some more. }
}
TextTwo = \context Lyrics \lyricmode {
\set associatedVoice = #NumberOne { Cee4 Dee Eee Eff }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberTwo { Doh4 Re Mi Fa }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberThree { This4 is my text. }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberOne { Cee4 Bee Ay Gee }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberTwo { Doh4 Ti La Sol }
\set associatedVoice = #NumberThree { Here4 is some more. }
}
\score {
\new Staff \instrument
\Text
}
\score {
\new Staff \instrument
\TextTwo
}
Your nesting seems strange to me.
Try:
upperVoice = \relative c'' {
%
}
lowerVoice = \relative c' {
%
}
textOne = \lyricmode {
% You know how to write ly -- rics, don’t you?
}
textTwo = \lyricmode {
% You know how to write ly -- rics, don’t you?
}
\score {
\context Staff = Upper
\context Voice = one \upperVoice
\lyricsto one \new Lyrics { \textOne }
\context Staff = Lower
\context Voice = two \lowerVoice
\lyricsto two \new Lyrics { \textTwo }
}
Maybe that's oldfashioned, but it works for me (with 2.10.33).
I knew I would have to get into explaining this. There is no nesting.
What I have are two verses, say,
{\autoBeamOff c8 d e4 f g}
and in the second verse,
{\autoBeamOff c8[ d] e4 f g}.
Engraving that isn't really a problem
\relative {\autoBeamOff {\voiceOne c8 d } \new Voice {\voiceTwo c8
[ d] }\oneVoice e4 f g}
That's fine. I have it happening tons of times. The problem is then
having lyrics automatically align to these notes. Usually I just name
my voice context and be done with it:
\relative {
\context Voice = unbeamed notes
\autoBeamOff
{ \voiceone c8 d}
\context Voice = beamed notes { \voiceTwo c8[ d] }
\oneVoice e4 f g
}
And then I automatically add text to it, using the above method.
Problem is, with it happening 10 or more times in a single piece, I'm
having problems aligning all of the lyrics to the appropriate notes.
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Re: avoid slur help
Neil, thanks for the help, now I guess I move on to the next part of
this problem:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
\override Script #'avoid-slur = #'inside
\override TextScript #'script-priority = #-100
\override TextScript #'outside-staff-priority = ##f
c2*1/2( s4^\markup \center-column {\natural}^\turn d4.) c8
}
And it's so close, too.
Perhaps Graham can point me in the direction of the appropriate
section of the documentation. It would be very helpful, and most
appreciated.
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Am 26.12.2008 um 17:57 schrieb Graham Percival:
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 03:50:46PM +0100, Eyolf ?strem wrote:
On 26.12.2008 (15:06), Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
If so then I'd just use d!4. instead.
No, it was common practice to put accidentals above notes in
older times.
Sometimes these were meant to be optional, sometimes they were
cautinary
accidentals. In any case, if you try to be close to the source,
you should
write it above the note and not as d!4.
Slight correction: it is customary in modern editions to put
editorial
accidentals above the note. They are not optional, but frequently
left to
the performer to apply, according to more or less strict rules
(see Musica
ficta in the docs).
Thanks, Eyolf. I was going to post something very sarcastic. :)
No, wait -- I'm going to do that anyway. *ahem*
To everybody apart from Eyolf who posted in this thread: musica
ficta can be found through a see also link under NR 1.1
Accidentals, directly in NR 2.8.3 Annotational accidentals (musica
ficta), or in NR appendix F index.
Cheers,
- Graham
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Re: avoid slur help
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 09:46:07PM +0100, James E. Bailey wrote: Neil, thanks for the help, now I guess I move on to the next part of this problem: What's the problem? By that question, I mean what's the musical intent of that lilypond code?. Because to me, it looks like you're trying to create a musica ficta accidental the wrong way. But the solution to that was already posted... so what *are* you trying to do? Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: avoid slur help
In the meantime, I figured out another solution: I can just do
everything in markup, and set the baseline skip myself.
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
\override TextScript #'outside-staff-priority = ##f
c2*1/2( s4^\markup \tiny \override #'(baseline-skip . 1)
{ \center-column {\musicglyph #accidentals.natural \musicglyph
#scripts.turn } }d4.) c8
}
Am 26.12.2008 um 21:46 schrieb James E. Bailey:
Neil, thanks for the help, now I guess I move on to the next part
of this problem:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
\override Script #'avoid-slur = #'inside
\override TextScript #'script-priority = #-100
\override TextScript #'outside-staff-priority = ##f
c2*1/2( s4^\markup \center-column {\natural}^\turn d4.) c8
}
And it's so close, too.
Perhaps Graham can point me in the direction of the appropriate
section of the documentation. It would be very helpful, and most
appreciated.avoid slur.png
Am 26.12.2008 um 17:57 schrieb Graham Percival:
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 03:50:46PM +0100, Eyolf ?strem wrote:
On 26.12.2008 (15:06), Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
If so then I'd just use d!4. instead.
No, it was common practice to put accidentals above notes in
older times.
Sometimes these were meant to be optional, sometimes they were
cautinary
accidentals. In any case, if you try to be close to the source,
you should
write it above the note and not as d!4.
Slight correction: it is customary in modern editions to put
editorial
accidentals above the note. They are not optional, but frequently
left to
the performer to apply, according to more or less strict rules
(see Musica
ficta in the docs).
Thanks, Eyolf. I was going to post something very sarcastic. :)
No, wait -- I'm going to do that anyway. *ahem*
To everybody apart from Eyolf who posted in this thread: musica
ficta can be found through a see also link under NR 1.1
Accidentals, directly in NR 2.8.3 Annotational accidentals (musica
ficta), or in NR appendix F index.
Cheers,
- Graham
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Re: emailed lilypond pdf's printout missing note bodies on reciepent's computer
Ralph Palmer palmer.r.violin at gmail.com writes: I've had some peculiar things happen, even using Adobe Acrobat to make the PDFs and using Adobe Reader 9 to view them. Specifically, when I've uploaded files generated at 1200 dpi to a Yahoo website, and then downloaded them to another computer (both computers running Windows XP), I've gotten a box around each staff. This was using ABC format to create the files, and then using Ghost to view them and sending them to an Acrobat printer. This didn't seem to happen always, and I don't think it happened at all if I set the printer to 720 dpi. I don't see how the dpi could affect the noteheads, but I'd say there are clearly possibilities out there for conflicts between generators and viewers.Peace,Ralph On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:33 PM, John Mislan jwmislan at gmail.com wrote: Guess I'll have to tell others to use Adobe - Acrobat or equivalent reader for PDF's next Time. Well that solves it then. Thanks again for your prompt response, and help on this . - Seasons Grettings to All - JWM - Ralph PalmerMontague City, MAUSApalmer.r.violin at gmail.com Hello Ralph I didn't tell my output to do any specific resolution - I just ran - the 'lilypond' command on them, and used the resulting PDF to send out to the windows vista, and xp computer users. All the note heads had small boxes around them. I wonder if their printer was set to too high of a resolution ?? I can't test any of this at present I have only, an old epson available to me with up to 720 - but no 1200 dpi res. I'm trying to get to some foolproof way to insure that my lilypond music pdf's will universally print correctly. Telling recipients they should use Adobe Acrobat and (not winword) for pdf's, and 720 dpi res. is a reasonable start I suppose. There seems to be evidence of conflicts between generators and viewers and maybe some other quirks for this behavior. I have seen from time to time, similar complaints about the notehead boxes. Maybe some others have had experience with it - found some ways to avoid it or other relevant insight. JWM ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: avoid slur help
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Am Freitag, 26. Dezember 2008 21:46:07 schrieb James E. Bailey:
Neil, thanks for the help, now I guess I move on to the next part of
this problem:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
\override Script #'avoid-slur = #'inside
\override TextScript #'script-priority = #-100
\override TextScript #'outside-staff-priority = ##f
c2*1/2( s4^\markup \center-column {\natural}^\turn d4.) c8
}
Ah, so you are actually trying to create a delayed turn (where the lower note
of the turn uses the natural).
I could swear that I have seen some lilypond code to create such turns (both
with an accidental for the upper and one for the lower note of the turn), but
I'm unable to find it, neither on LSR nor in the NR...
Cheers,
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Re: emailed lilypond pdf's printout missing note bodies on reciepent's computer
Am 2008-12-26 um 22:40 schrieb John Mislan: I didn't tell my output to do any specific resolution - I just ran - the 'lilypond' command on them, and used the resulting PDF to send out to the windows vista, and xp computer users. All the note heads had small boxes around them. I wonder if their printer was set to too high of a resolution ?? I can't test any of this at present I have only, an old epson available to me with up to 720 - but no 1200 dpi res. I'm trying to get to some foolproof way to insure that my lilypond music pdf's will universally print correctly. Telling recipients they should use Adobe Acrobat and (not winword) for pdf's, and 720 dpi res. is a reasonable start I suppose. There seems to be evidence of conflicts between generators and viewers and maybe some other quirks for this behavior. I have seen from time to time, similar complaints about the notehead boxes. Maybe some others have had experience with it - found some ways to avoid it or other relevant insight. I don't think it's a matter of resolution, but some GDL printers can't handle the output from Adobe Reader. Mostly checking print as image (or how it is called) in the printing dialog helps. But I guess the boxes 'round the noteheads are from the links (point and click) - usable for debugging, but useless for readers. Just switch them off: #(ly:set-option (quote no-point-and-click)) HTH Greetlings from Lake Constance --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Naturals' position when key changes
Hello, Gilles et al: So, in the property 'break-align-orders […] you have to change in the second line Okay… once again, there is *no* second place to Lilypond in the Best Engraving Software category. =) Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: avoid slur help
Am 26.12.2008 um 17:57 schrieb Graham Percival:
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 03:50:46PM +0100, Eyolf ?strem wrote:
On 26.12.2008 (15:06), Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
If so then I'd just use d!4. instead.
No, it was common practice to put accidentals above notes in
older times.
Sometimes these were meant to be optional, sometimes they were
cautinary
accidentals. In any case, if you try to be close to the source,
you should
write it above the note and not as d!4.
Slight correction: it is customary in modern editions to put
editorial
accidentals above the note. They are not optional, but frequently
left to
the performer to apply, according to more or less strict rules
(see Musica
ficta in the docs).
Thanks, Eyolf. I was going to post something very sarcastic. :)
No, wait -- I'm going to do that anyway. *ahem*
To everybody apart from Eyolf who posted in this thread: musica
ficta can be found through a see also link under NR 1.1
Accidentals,
Perhaps you have a different version of the manual, but I don't see
Accidentals under NR 1.1. I see Writing pitches, Changing multiple
pitches, Displaying pitches and Note heads. Or were you talking about
the 2.10 documentation? (Where I, incidentally, don't see a link to
musica ficta.)
directly in NR 2.8.3 Annotational accidentals (musica
ficta), or in NR appendix F index.
Ah, I do see the musica ficta there, and, seeing as how you didn't
provide an example, I am left to my own devices to solve a problem
that I thought I said I was having difficulty solving. However, using
the \set suggestAccidentals, which is all I can assume you meant to
tell me about, I come to the conclusion of:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
{c2(} \new Voice { s4 \hideNotes \once \set suggestAccidentals
= ##t cis4^\turn \unHideNotes} d4.) c8
}
which still doesn't have everything under the slur. So, Graham, while
I thank you for your attempt, I find your help, without examples,
rather unhelpful.
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Re: avoid slur help
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 11:40:12PM +0100, James E. Bailey wrote:
Am 26.12.2008 um 17:57 schrieb Graham Percival:
To everybody apart from Eyolf who posted in this thread: musica
ficta can be found through a see also link under NR 1.1
Accidentals,
Perhaps you have a different version of the manual, but I don't see
Accidentals under NR 1.1.
Ok. NR 1.1.1. I would consider that to be under NR 1.1, but I
admit that I forgot the final .1.
directly in NR 2.8.3 Annotational accidentals (musica
ficta), or in NR appendix F index.
Ah, I do see the musica ficta there, and, seeing as how you didn't
provide an example, I am left to my own devices to solve a problem that I
thought I said I was having difficulty solving. However, using the \set
suggestAccidentals, which is all I can assume you meant to tell me about,
Well, first start off with a simple example:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
c4(
\once \set suggestAccidentals = ##t
cis d4.) c8
}
Hmm, it prints an error message. It would be helpful to report
this to the bug list.
Then try to make it behave properly:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override AccidentalSuggestion #'avoid-slur = #'inside
c4(
\once \set suggestAccidentals = ##t
cis d4.) c8
}
Nope, it ain't moving. Let's make sure that there's enough space:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override Slur #'ratio = #8.0
\override Slur #'height-limit = #8.0
\override AccidentalSuggestion #'avoid-slur = #'inside
c4(
\once \set suggestAccidentals = ##t
cis d4.) c8
}
Still ain't working. OK, time for another bug report. Oh wait;
first do a quick search to see if this has been reported before:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/list?can=1q=suggestAccidentals
(I forgot this step just a day or two ago, and boy did I feel like
an idiot!)
Nope, not reported. So now you send those two bug reports to the
bug list, and use some ugly hack with #'extra-offset and the Slur
overrides to get the output you want. It's not pretty, but even
lilypond has bugs. In fact, over 200 of them!
Once you've identified bugs, report them, use a workaround (and in
my experience, extra-offset is almost always the cheapest, easiest
thing to do) and get on with life.
Cheers,
- Graham
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Re: avoid slur help
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Am Freitag, 26. Dezember 2008 23:40:12 schrieb James E. Bailey:
Am 26.12.2008 um 17:57 schrieb Graham Percival:
To everybody apart from Eyolf who posted in this thread: musica
ficta can be found through a see also link under NR 1.1
Accidentals,
Perhaps you have a different version of the manual, but I don't see
Accidentals under NR 1.1. I see Writing pitches,
See NR 1.1.1 - Accidentals...
directly in NR 2.8.3 Annotational accidentals (musica
ficta), or in NR appendix F index.
Ah, I do see the musica ficta there, and, seeing as how you didn't
provide an example, I am left to my own devices to solve a problem
that I thought I said I was having difficulty solving.
Actually, your problem has nothing to do with musica ficta. You are trying to
typeset a turn ornament with an accidental above/below (see e.g.
http://musicxml.org/xml/samples/MozaChloSample.pdf). The accidental in this
case does NOT apply to the note itself, but to a note that is played as part
of the turn. In particular, the c2 with the delayed turn (with the natural
below the turn) is actually played as:
c4 d16 c16 b!16 c16
Without the natural below the turn (and assuming you were cutting that part
from a piece set with at least one flat in the key signature, e.g. \key f
\major), the turn would be played as
c4 d16 c16 bes16 c16
(Notice the difference in b and bes).
One possible solution is to print the turn and the accidental in one markup:
\markup {\column {\musicglyph #scripts.turn \natural}}
Of course, then you are still left with your slur problem. Plus, the natural
sign is too far below the turn in this markup...
Cheers,
Reinhold
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Re: avoid slur help
Am 26.12.2008 um 23:59 schrieb Graham Percival:
Well, first start off with a simple example:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
c4(
\once \set suggestAccidentals = ##t
cis d4.) c8
}
Hmm, it prints an error message. It would be helpful to report
this to the bug list.
You know, I never know if those things are actual bugs, or simply due
to my lack of understanding how the program works. I never know if
what I'm seeing is erroneous output, or erroneous input.
Then try to make it behave properly:
\version 2.11.65
\relative c'' {
\override AccidentalSuggestion #'avoid-slur = #'inside
c4(
\once \set suggestAccidentals = ##t
cis d4.) c8
}
…use some ugly hack with #'extra-offset and the Slur
overrides to get the output you want.
This is the point at which I asked the list for help. I didn't come
to the concept of using #'extra-offset on my own, and a simple try
using #'extra-offset for the slur would probably have sufficed to
point me in the direction I needed (in fact, jonathan kulp suggested
it, and came very close to what I ended up using as my workaround. I
did get useful help. But, from our resident chairman of the not-warm-
and-fuzzy committee, I got premeditated sarcasm that related to a
completely different issue, and when I forced the point of how *not*
helpful that information was, I got tons of examples of how my
problem was *not* solved, and a suggestion to do something that had
already been suggested and illustrated. So, while this time, our
resident not-warm-and-fuzzy committee chairman did provide examples
so we didn't have to guess what he meant, he still omitted the
easiest part of helping which could have simple been, \override
TextScript #'extra-offset = #'( 0.0 . -5.0), instead of the wonderful
instruction in how to properly use lilypond.
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Re: avoid slur help
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 01:01:19AM +0100, James E. Bailey wrote: he still omitted the easiest part of helping which could have simple been, \override TextScript #'extra-offset = #'( 0.0 . -5.0), instead of the wonderful instruction in how to properly use lilypond. Of course I omitted that. You're assumed to have read the Learning Manual. In particular, LM 4.5.1 and 4.5.2. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Again: Orchestra template
Hello, I'm one Lilypond year old today! The day before yesterday, I posted my orchestral template, to see whether all are OK--I will contribute it to the LSR or to become part of LM's template appendix. Also, I own have difficulty in this, and hope you can solve the problem. My topic is orchestra template problem. Sincerely Haipeng ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
