feedback on 2.13.34

[胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng]

Hello,
  I'm very glad that 2.13.34 is much better than previous devel versions since 
2.13.24. The only shortcoming is, however, still spacing. In my case, the 
overture uses 35 pages in 2.13.24, while 37 in 2.13.34, with one "couldn't fit 
music on page:" warning in the middle. I don't know which page it belongs to 
(please add an indication for easier reference). I'd like it go closer to 
2.13.24's excellent spacing.
  The overture is too big, so I can't include it here. But I don't know how to 
demonstrate the somewhat frustrating spacing. Could anyone point out a way for 
you to examine the problem?
Regards
Haipeng


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Re: Fw: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond sucessfully.

[Ian Hulin]

Ming,

On 24/09/10 23:15, MING TSANG wrote:
> Hi, neuro:
> 
> I think you problem can be resolved. Please refer to vol94 issue 94 message 3 
> from Phil Holmes. If you are not absolutely need .ps, don't try.   
> 
> 
> My problem is after I added as suggested from Phil Holmes, I got the .ps file 
> and I lost .pdf file. I comment out the  line "#(ly:set-option 
> 'delete-intermediate-files #f)" and re-run lilypond, but I lost both .ps and 
> .pdf since. It has been a couple of days.  I have been asking help from 
> lilypond 
> users to resolve. I now wait for help from lily4jedif user.
> 
> Lilypond users:
> I run Command line lilypond (CMD.EXE) as 
> 
> c:Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\LILY_POND>lilypond -f --pdf 
> more-love-to-thee.ly
> 
> 
> and I get the following error message:
> GNU LilyPond 2.6.5

This means you have an ancient version of Lilypond installed on your
machine, and the \version in your source file specifies a later Lilypond
version as the minimum valid version.

Make sure you're running in an account with administrator privileges,

You need to download the latest LilyPond Version from the website (go
for version 2.13.34 if you can, and save it in downloads directory).

You should now de-install Lilypond 2.6.5 (there should be an Uninstall
option in your Start | All Programs | Lilypond Menu.

Once you've uninstalled V2.6.5, run the exe you have downloaded to
install Lilypond 2.13.34.

Run this command from the cmd window

lilypond
It should tell you it's running version 2.13.34.

Now try your test again.


Cheers,

Ian

> 
> error: Incorrect lilypond version: 2.13.32 (2.3.22, 2.6.5)
> 
> Can anyone show me how can I set up CMD to run v2.13.33? I uninstall v2.6.5 
> and 
> install v3.13.33 -  how come I am still running v2.6.5.
> 
> Thanks everyone,
> Ming.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: neuro黃學仁 
> To: MING TSANG 
> Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Sent: Fri, September  24, 2010 2:09:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond 
> sucessfully.
> 
> Dear Dr. Tsang
> 
> 
> You might want to check out
> lilypond --help
> 
> Actually, I have met similar, (or more precisely, reverse,) problems
> when I run 2.13.33 last month.
> 
> It seems, lilypond have output a pdf file, without a ps file as the ps
> file was converted to pdf, when I run 2.13.33 last month, as
> lilypond musicfile.ly
> (The output files shoud be both ps and pdf, in my expectation.)
> 
> So, to specifically assign the output to be a ps file, according to the 
> --help,
> I run
> lilypond -f --ps musicfile.ly
> 
> So, you might want to run
> lilypond -f --pdf musicfile.ly
> for specifically assign the pdf in your situation.
> 
> options are
> -f --ps
> -f --pdf
> -f --png
> 
> 
> good luck ^_^
> 
> neuro 黃
> neu...@gmail.com
> 
> ===
> 
> 2010/9/25 MING TSANG :
>> the following reply all did't go thru. Now I try again, just send ti
>> lilypond users.
>>
>> - Forwarded Message 
>> From: MING TSANG 
>> To: Kaz Kylheku 
>> Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
>> Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 8:58:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond
>> sucessfully.
>>
>> Kaz,
>> thank you. I don't know how to run lilypond on CMD EXE.  Can you provide some
>> command line script?
>>
>> I try the alternative method as suggested. I got the following message:
>>   "GS.EXE entry point not found -- the procedure entry point
>> gsapi_delete_insta...@4 could not be located in the dynamic link library
>> gs-8.70.dll"
>>
>> For the past few days I have been rebooting window xp several times.
>>
>>
>> Mark Polesky:  thank you for pointing me to contact jedit users. I have send
>> them an email and waiting for their response.
>>
>> 
>> From: Kaz Kylheku 
>> To: MING TSANG 
>> Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
>> Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 11:02:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond
>> sucessfully.
>>
>> This mailing list is about Lilypond.
>>
>> What happens if you run just the lilypond executable?
>>
>> In windows you can open a CMD.EXE window on the folder and run lilypond on
>> the file. If the executable is not in your %PATH%, you will have to use the
>> full path.
>>
>> Alternately, you should be able, in Explorer, to right click on the .ly file
>> and invoke the "Generate PDF" command from the popup menu.
>>
>> Be sure that no program has any of the output files (MIDI, PDF, ...) open,
>> because this may prevent Lilypond from being able to write to the files.
>> (Install a real OS to avoid that problem).
>>
>> If you follow this procedure and get a  PDF, there is no Lilypond problem.
>> Maybe the surrounding tools are "eating" the PDF.
>>
>> Also, when was the last time you rebooted that Windows? At least once every
>> few days is a good idea.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:51:34 -0700 (PDT), MING TSANG 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here below is jedit console message displ

Re: need a header in the middle of a page

[Xavier Scheuer]

On 25 September 2010 00:07, Michael Dykes  wrote:
>
> Hullo all. I am doing some more of my traditional Orthodox Chant music, and
> I have two systems of music representing 2 diff Prokeimena (psalm verses
> chanted before the Epistle Reading). Above the second system, I need an
> additional header (in the style of the first header, same font, size, etc.)
> in order to let people know what the second hymn is. How do I accomplish
> this in Lilypond? The second header is: Prokeimenon for an Hierarch.

Hi!

Why not "simply" use 2 \score ?
I modified your file in order to separate the two "Prokeimenon" into
separate scores.  I tried to explain what I did (separating variables in
"One" and "Two") with comments beginning with "XS:".

If it is not what you wanted to achieve and/or if you have questions
about this, do not hesitate to post again.  ;-)


> Additionally, I need to add the psalm verses below each system: for the 1st
> system it is: Rejoice in the Lord, ye righteous; praise becometh the
> upright. Then for the 2nd system it is: Hear these things, all ye nations;
> give heed, all ye that dwell in the world.

I'm not sure I understand well.
See attached file (based on NR 2.1.3 Stanzas > Printing stanzas at the end).

Cheers,
Xavier

--
Xavier Scheuer 


prok_01_znam_mod.ly
Description: Binary data
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Re: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond sucessfully. (MING TSANG)

[Ian Hulin]

Ming,
First of all see if your lilypond version is OK.
Click on the Windows Menu Button and Select the Run option.  When the
window pops up type in cmd and click OK to start a terminal session.
The prompt should tell you you're in the "My Documents" directory for
your account.
Enter notepad test.ly and press the enter key.

In the notepad editor, type in

\version "2,12.0"
\relative c' { c1 \bar "|."}

Now do lilypond test.ly

Does this produce test.pdf on the directory? (Do
dir test.*
to find out.

If it does, this shows you Lilypond installation is OK.

If it is OK at this stage, fire up jedit and open test.ly.   If
Lilypondtool is installed correctly you should see the pdf output in the
PDF viewer pane.  Now try adding another note or something to test.ly
e.g. change the \relative block to
\relative c' { c1 | d1 \bar "|."}

and compiling in Lilypondtool. If this fails it may mean there is
something wrong with the command Lilypondtool is generating to do the
compilation.

However, now go back to the cmd window where you compiled test.ly, and
change your working directory to the folder with your problem .ly file.


Do this by using the cd command
cd "C:/Documents and Settings/Administrator/Desktop/LILY_POND"
now use the following command from the command line
lilypond --verbose more-love-to-thee.ly

What messages do you see?

Btw has your Windows user account got write access to the Administrator
user's Desktop folder?

Also, try doing this in your Jedit session in the Console pane.

cd "C:/Documents and Settings/Administrator/Desktop/LILY_POND"

Now try clicking on the LilypondTool compile button in Jedit.  Are the
results any different?

Cheers,

Ian Hulin


On 24/09/10 19:56, MING TSANG wrote:
> Fr. Gordon,
> 
> The jedit version is 4.3.2; lilypond is v2.13.33.  I see the viewer icon. I 
> single click it and it displays nothing. It is because the .pdf file is not 
> created even though the jedit console says it did generate a .pdf file.
> 
> Ming.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Father Gordon Gilbert 
> To: tsan...@rogers.com; Lilypondusers Group 
> Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 1:36:56 PM
> Subject: Re:Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond 
> sucessfully. 
> (MING TSANG)
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I have used Lilypondtool both on Windoze, and on Ubuntu, and the toolbar 
> immediately above the open file has little icons for everything you need.  
> One 
> of them is a tiny sheet of paper representing the PDF option.  Do you have 
> that 
> on your version?  If so, simply click that (once not twice) and your PDF 
> should 
> appear in a separate window in jEdit's native PDF viewer.  Especially if your 
> compilation creates a ./ file name as I see it does.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Gordon+
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypondsucessfully. (MING TSANG)

[Trevor Daniels]

MING TSANG wrote Friday, September 24, 2010 7:56 PM

The jedit version is 4.3.2; lilypond is v2.13.33.  I see the 
viewer icon. I
single click it and it displays nothing. It is because the .pdf 
file is not
created even though the jedit console says it did generate a .pdf 
file.


Ghostscript is required to convert the .ps file
into a .pdf file.  I seem to remember an earlier
posting of yours contained a message about GS.EXE
entry point not being found.  This is the clue to
follow up.  Have you installed any other application
which might have the same name, such as the Gammadyne
alternative DOS shell?

Trevor



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Re: Fw: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond sucessfully.

[MING TSANG]

Hi, neuro:

I think you problem can be resolved. Please refer to vol94 issue 94 message 3 
from Phil Holmes. If you are not absolutely need .ps, don't try.   


My problem is after I added as suggested from Phil Holmes, I got the .ps file 
and I lost .pdf file. I comment out the  line "#(ly:set-option 
'delete-intermediate-files #f)" and re-run lilypond, but I lost both .ps and 
.pdf since. It has been a couple of days.  I have been asking help from 
lilypond 
users to resolve. I now wait for help from lily4jedif user.

Lilypond users:
I run Command line lilypond (CMD.EXE) as 

c:Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\LILY_POND>lilypond -f --pdf 
more-love-to-thee.ly


and I get the following error message:
GNU LilyPond 2.6.5

error: Incorrect lilypond version: 2.13.32 (2.3.22, 2.6.5)

Can anyone show me how can I set up CMD to run v2.13.33? I uninstall v2.6.5 and 
install v3.13.33 -  how come I am still running v2.6.5.

Thanks everyone,
Ming.







From: neuro黃學仁 
To: MING TSANG 
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Fri, September  24, 2010 2:09:48 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond 
sucessfully.

Dear Dr. Tsang


You might want to check out
lilypond --help

Actually, I have met similar, (or more precisely, reverse,) problems
when I run 2.13.33 last month.

It seems, lilypond have output a pdf file, without a ps file as the ps
file was converted to pdf, when I run 2.13.33 last month, as
lilypond musicfile.ly
(The output files shoud be both ps and pdf, in my expectation.)

So, to specifically assign the output to be a ps file, according to the --help,
I run
lilypond -f --ps musicfile.ly

So, you might want to run
lilypond -f --pdf musicfile.ly
for specifically assign the pdf in your situation.

options are
-f --ps
-f --pdf
-f --png


good luck ^_^

neuro 黃
neu...@gmail.com

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2010/9/25 MING TSANG :
> the following reply all did't go thru. Now I try again, just send ti
> lilypond users.
>
> - Forwarded Message 
> From: MING TSANG 
> To: Kaz Kylheku 
> Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 8:58:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond
> sucessfully.
>
> Kaz,
> thank you. I don't know how to run lilypond on CMD EXE.  Can you provide some
> command line script?
>
> I try the alternative method as suggested. I got the following message:
>   "GS.EXE entry point not found -- the procedure entry point
> gsapi_delete_insta...@4 could not be located in the dynamic link library
> gs-8.70.dll"
>
> For the past few days I have been rebooting window xp several times.
>
>
> Mark Polesky:  thank you for pointing me to contact jedit users. I have send
> them an email and waiting for their response.
>
> 
> From: Kaz Kylheku 
> To: MING TSANG 
> Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 11:02:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond
> sucessfully.
>
> This mailing list is about Lilypond.
>
> What happens if you run just the lilypond executable?
>
> In windows you can open a CMD.EXE window on the folder and run lilypond on
> the file. If the executable is not in your %PATH%, you will have to use the
> full path.
>
> Alternately, you should be able, in Explorer, to right click on the .ly file
> and invoke the "Generate PDF" command from the popup menu.
>
> Be sure that no program has any of the output files (MIDI, PDF, ...) open,
> because this may prevent Lilypond from being able to write to the files.
> (Install a real OS to avoid that problem).
>
> If you follow this procedure and get a  PDF, there is no Lilypond problem.
> Maybe the surrounding tools are "eating" the PDF.
>
> Also, when was the last time you rebooted that Windows? At least once every
> few days is a good idea.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:51:34 -0700 (PDT), MING TSANG 
> wrote:
>
> Here below is jedit console message display. According to the message a .ps
> file is generated and a .pdf is generated as well.  However I find the .ps
> file but no .pdf file on the folder where the .ly file resides.
>
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Re:Re: visual problem on two triplets in 4/4 time

[胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng]

Sorry for the noise, it's my fault of not setting tupplet spanner duration in a 
continuous triplets, not my example here.

Regards
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need a header in the middle of a page

[Michael Dykes]

Hullo all. I am doing some more of my traditional Orthodox Chant music, and
I have two systems of music representing 2 diff Prokeimena (psalm verses
chanted before the Epistle Reading). Above the second system, I need an
additional header (in the style of the first header, same font, size, etc.)
in order to let people know what the second hymn is. How do I accomplish
this in Lilypond? The second header is: *Prokeimenon for an Hierarch.*

Additionally, I need to add the psalm verses below each system: for the 1st
system it is: *Rejoice in the Lord, ye righteous; praise becometh the
upright. *Then for the 2nd system it is: *Hear these things, all ye nations;
give heed, all ye that dwell in the world.*

I need a bit of help in these regards, plz. Thanks. A file of what I have
tried to do is attached already. Thanks again. Also, now it seems that both
of the Prokeimena have become ``fused'' together, & I need them on separate
systems, i.e. where the first double bar is, that needs to be the end of the
1st system, and then should start another system, preferably w/ enough space
in between for the psalm verses I mentioned above, & the next header. Thanks
again.
-- 
In Christ,
Michael D
\version "2.12.2"
\include "english.ly"
\include "gregorian.ly"

\header {
  title = "Octoëchos ~ Hymns of the Resurrection"
  subtitle = "Prokeimenon ~ Tone 1"
  composer = "Divine Liturgy"
  poet = "Znamenny Chant"
}

global = {
  \key f \major
  \time 7/4
  \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f
  \override Staff.BarLine #'stencil = ##f
}
move = { \bar "" \break }
soprano = \relative c'' {
  \global
  % Music follows here.
  f,4 f f f f g a2 a4 a a2 \divisioMaxima
  a2 g4(f g2) f4(a) a g g8(f e4 f e) d2 c1 \finalis
  
  f4 f2 f4 g a2 a \divisioMaxima
  a4 a g f g2 f4(a) a g g8(f e4) f e d2 c1 \finalis
}

alto = \relative c' {
  \global
  % Music follows here.
  f4 f f f f c f2 f4 f f2 \divisioMaxima
  f2 c1 f2 f4 c c2(f4 c4) d2 c,1 \finalis
  
  f4 f2 f4 f f2 f \divisioMaxima
  f4 f c c c2 f f4 c c2 f4 c d2 c1 \finalis
}

tenor = \relative c' {
  \global
  % Music follows here.
  f,4 f f f f g a2 a4 a a2 \divisioMaxima
  a2 g4(f g2) f4(a) a g g8(f e4 f e) d2 c1 \finalis
  
  f4 f2 f4 g a2 a \divisioMaxima
  a4 a g f g2 f4(a) a g g8(f e4) f e d2 c1 \finalis
}

bass = \relative c {
  \global
  % Music follows here.
  f4 f f f f c f2 f4 f f2 \divisioMaxima
  f2 c1 f2 f4 c c2(f4 c4) d2 c,1 \finalis
  
  f4 f2 f4 f f2 f \divisioMaxima
  f4 f c c c2 f f4 c c2 f4 c d2 c1 \finalis
}

verse = \lyricmode {
  % Lyrics follow here.
  Let Thy mer -- cy be up -- on us, O Lord,
  as we __ have __ set our hope __ on Thee.
  
  My mouth shall speak wis -- dom,
  and the me -- di -- ta -- tion __ of my heart 
un -- der -- stand -- ing. 
}

\score {
  \new ChoirStaff <<
\new Staff \with {
  midiInstrument = " string ensemble 1 "
  instrumentName = \markup \center-column { "S" "A" }
} <<
  \new Voice = "soprano" { \voiceOne \soprano }
  \new Voice = "alto" { \voiceTwo \alto }
>>
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "soprano" \verse
\new Staff \with {
  midiInstrument = " string ensemble 1 "
  instrumentName = \markup \center-column { "T" "B" }
} <<
  \clef bass
  \new Voice = "tenor" { \voiceOne \tenor }
  \new Voice = "bass" { \voiceTwo \bass }
>>
  >>
  \layout { ragged-last=##f }
  \midi {
\context {
  \Score
  tempoWholesPerMinute = #(ly:make-moment 120 4)
}
  }
}
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Re: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond sucessfully. (MING TSANG)

[MING TSANG]

Fr. Gordon,

The jedit version is 4.3.2; lilypond is v2.13.33.  I see the viewer icon. I 
single click it and it displays nothing. It is because the .pdf file is not 
created even though the jedit console says it did generate a .pdf file.

Ming.






From: Father Gordon Gilbert 
To: tsan...@rogers.com; Lilypondusers Group 
Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 1:36:56 PM
Subject: Re:Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond sucessfully. 
(MING TSANG)

Hi!

I have used Lilypondtool both on Windoze, and on Ubuntu, and the toolbar 
immediately above the open file has little icons for everything you need.  One 
of them is a tiny sheet of paper representing the PDF option.  Do you have that 
on your version?  If so, simply click that (once not twice) and your PDF should 
appear in a separate window in jEdit's native PDF viewer.  Especially if your 
compilation creates a ./ file name as I see it does.

Hope this helps.

Gordon+

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Re: First impressions of alpha test

[Keith E OHara]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:41:24 -0700, Joe Neeman  wrote:

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Keith E OHara  wrote:


The horizontal spacing now quite aggressively tucks notes under/over the
accidentals of the following notes.


Do you consider this desirable? There are a couple bug reports about related
things (eg. 1229)


Personally, I have a neutral opinion on the aggressive tucking.
The related issues I see in the tracker are about clearly-undesirable effects.

I intended to avoid saying anything that sounded like a bug report.
I'll need time to get used to 2.13, and separate bugs from issues I caused 
myself, before complaining on bug-lilypond about anything.

-Keith


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Re: Fw: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond sucessfully.

[neuro黃學仁]

Dear Dr. Tsang


You might want to check out
lilypond --help

Actually, I have met similar, (or more precisely, reverse,) problems
when I run 2.13.33 last month.

It seems, lilypond have output a pdf file, without a ps file as the ps
file was converted to pdf, when I run 2.13.33 last month, as
lilypond musicfile.ly
(The output files shoud be both ps and pdf, in my expectation.)

So, to specifically assign the output to be a ps file, according to the --help,
I run
lilypond -f --ps musicfile.ly

So, you might want to run
lilypond -f --pdf musicfile.ly
for specifically assign the pdf in your situation.

options are
-f --ps
-f --pdf
-f --png


good luck ^_^

neuro 黃
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2010/9/25 MING TSANG :
> the following reply all did't go thru. Now I try again, just send ti
> lilypond users.
>
> - Forwarded Message 
> From: MING TSANG 
> To: Kaz Kylheku 
> Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 8:58:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond
> sucessfully.
>
> Kaz,
> thank you. I don't know how to run lilypond on CMD EXE. Can you provide some
> command line script?
>
> I try the alternative method as suggested. I got the following message:
>   "GS.EXE entry point not found -- the procedure entry point
> gsapi_delete_insta...@4 could not be located in the dynamic link library
> gs-8.70.dll"
>
> For the past few days I have been rebooting window xp several times.
>
>
> Mark Polesky:  thank you for pointing me to contact jedit users. I have send
> them an email and waiting for their response.
>
> 
> From: Kaz Kylheku 
> To: MING TSANG 
> Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 11:02:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond
> sucessfully.
>
> This mailing list is about Lilypond.
>
> What happens if you run just the lilypond executable?
>
> In windows you can open a CMD.EXE window on the folder and run lilypond on
> the file. If the executable is not in your %PATH%, you will have to use the
> full path.
>
> Alternately, you should be able, in Explorer, to right click on the .ly file
> and invoke the "Generate PDF" command from the popup menu.
>
> Be sure that no program has any of the output files (MIDI, PDF, ...) open,
> because this may prevent Lilypond from being able to write to the files.
> (Install a real OS to avoid that problem).
>
> If you follow this procedure and get a PDF, there is no Lilypond problem.
> Maybe the surrounding tools are "eating" the PDF.
>
> Also, when was the last time you rebooted that Windows? At least once every
> few days is a good idea.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:51:34 -0700 (PDT), MING TSANG 
> wrote:
>
> Here below is jedit console message display. According to the message a .ps
> file is generated and a .pdf is generated as well.  However I find the .ps
> file but no .pdf file on the folder where the .ly file resides.
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Re: Optimising output for screen.

[Graham Percival]

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 06:44:58PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote:
> - Original Message - From: "Phil Burfitt"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Optimising output for screen.
> 
> 
> >>Graham Percival wrote 
> >>PS if you want a hint, one of those discussions was in 2007.
> >
> >Graham, Thanks for the pointer..had a chuckle with the continued
> >discussion 2 years later. Pity the solution was never
> >accepted/implemented,
> 
> I didn't read this as arriving at a solution.

Yes.  It didn't.

I forget whether it was in that thread or a different one, but one
possibility is to add "shading hints" (I forget the technical
term) to the pdf.  This has no effect on the printed version, but
it tells some screen output programs how to use anti-aliasing for
that particular case.

Nobody wanted to spend (estimated) 20 hours[1] working on a
feature that would have no effect on the printed output.

If you desperately want this, we will (of course) examine any
patch which adds this feature.  Or you could offer a bounty.  But
it would be a significant amount of work, so a significant bounty
might be required.  (for the level of programming+lilypond
expertise required, I'd say that $100/hour is roughly a fair wage
for this contract job)


[1] this estimate is based on a skilled developer, like Carl or
Patrick.  If a Frog wanted to work on this, I'd budget 50-100
hours for the task.

Cheers,
- Graham

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Re: visual problem on two triplets in 4/4 time

[Keith E OHara]

  My mother found a problem when I write continuous triplets. For example,
\time 4/4 c'4 c' \times 2/3 { c'8 d' e' } \times 2/3 { f' g' a' }
The two triplets are grouped like one sextupplet, but with two 3's. What's the 
problem? Is it a wrong practice in notation convention? Is it controlled by 
beam settings?




There must be something else in your score that changes the grouping.  The 
lines below give me two separately-beamed triplets.

\version "2.12.3" % and 2.13 gives the same output
{ \time 4/4 c'4 c' \times 2/3 { c'8 d' e' } \times 2/3 { f' g' a' }
}



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Re: Optimising output for screen

[Tim Reeves]

> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:31:09 +0100
> From: "Phil Holmes" 
> Subject: Re: Optimising output for screen.
> To: "Graham Percival" 
> Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Message-ID: <9fadf3787e2141f5b5d436db4e695...@advent>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>reply-type=original
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Graham Percival" 
> To: "Phil Holmes" 
> Cc: "Phil Burfitt" ; "Trevor Daniels" 
> ; 
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Optimising output for screen.
> 
> 
> > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Phil Holmes  
wrote:
> >> So I would conclude - if you need excellent screen display, you'll 
either
> >> need a carefully written PDF viewer, or a screen with a resolution of 

> >> around
> >> 1000 dpi.
> >
> > If anybody is seriously interested in this issue, then why not look at
> > the mailing list archives for one the discussions between developers
> > (including Han-Wen, one of the founders of lilypond) about this
> > PRECISE ISSUE ?  This whole discussion, and any time you guys have
> > spent making images, is simply re-hashing the previous two discussions
> > on this topic... except without the opinions of the person who knows
> > lilypond the best.
> >
> > - Graham
> >
> > PS if you want a hint, one of those discussions was in 2007.
> >
> 
> Thanks.  Now read it.  Also:
> 
> http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/lilypond-de...@gnu.org/msg01792.html
> 
> I was making the images for my own interest and thought it was 
illustrative 
> of the way Reader works.
> 
> --
> Phil Holmes
> 



There was even earlier discussion in 2006, starting here: 
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2006-06/msg00198.html 

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Re: Optimising output for screen.

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Burfitt" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Optimising output for screen.



Graham Percival wrote 
PS if you want a hint, one of those discussions was in 2007.


Graham, Thanks for the pointer..had a chuckle with the continued 
discussion 2 years later. Pity the solution was never 
accepted/implemented, probably not a very important issue then, but I 
believe it will be in a few years to come if we still want 'beautiful' 
output.


I didn't read this as arriving at a solution.


Kaz Kylheku wrote 
In fact, Lilypond's output doesn't have a resolution. It is vector
graphics. The music symbols you are seeing are drawn using Bezier
curves and lines.


A line must have a starting point, an ending point or length, and a 
thickness at least. Whether those attributes are expressed in pixels, 
inches, mm or whatnots - they are still a form of resolution.


Not at all.  It would be possible to express a line width as . 
etc mm.  Eventually you hit the computer's limits on numerical resolution, 
but this is far better than display resolution.


If I want a horizontal line 10 inches long and 1/100th inch thick, I'm 
going to have problems displaying it on 96dpi screen if I want those 
dimensions respected. It's a problem of resolution.


Exactly.  And until screen resolutions improve, you're never going to get 
the on screen display as good as the printed version.


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Re: First impressions of alpha test

[Joe Neeman]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Keith E OHara  wrote:

> What are everyone's first impressions of 2.13.34, the alpha test?
>
> I remembered to run convert-ly (which worked for me, but I don't have MacOS
> 10.4, where James W ran into trouble) but it made very few changes to scores
> written for 2.12.
>
> The change that jumped out at me was the spacing, both of notes and staves.
>
> Where 2.12 was too timid in trying to fit staves on a page, 2.13 sometimes
> tries to fit too many.  I had some "between-system-spacing/padding"
> assignments in the paper blocks, put there to encourage tighter spacing from
> 2.12. The docs indicate that the vertical spacing variables have changed
> their structure (I'll have to see if convert-ly flagged them for me) so I
> removed them, and was much happier with the output.
>
> The horizontal spacing now quite aggressively tucks notes under/over the
> accidentals of the following notes.

Do you consider this desirable? There are a couple bug reports about related
things (eg. 1229)

Cheers,
Joe
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Re:Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond sucessfully. (MING TSANG)

[Father Gordon Gilbert]

Hi!

I have used Lilypondtool both on Windoze, and on Ubuntu, and the toolbar
immediately above the open file has little icons for everything you need.
One of them is a tiny sheet of paper representing the PDF option.  Do you
have that on your version?  If so, simply click that (once not twice) and
your PDF should appear in a separate window in jEdit's native PDF viewer.
Especially if your compilation creates a ./ file name as I see it does.

Hope this helps.

Gordon+

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Penetanguishene, ON
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Re: Optimising output for screen.

[Phil Burfitt]

Graham Percival wrote 
PS if you want a hint, one of those discussions was in 2007.


Graham, Thanks for the pointer..had a chuckle with the continued discussion 
2 years later. Pity the solution was never accepted/implemented, probably 
not a very important issue then, but I believe it will be in a few years to 
come if we still want 'beautiful' output.




Kaz Kylheku wrote 
In fact, Lilypond's output doesn't have a resolution. It is vector
graphics. The music symbols you are seeing are drawn using Bezier
curves and lines.


A line must have a starting point, an ending point or length, and a 
thickness at least. Whether those attributes are expressed in pixels, 
inches, mm or whatnots - they are still a form of resolution.


If I want a horizontal line 10 inches long and 1/100th inch thick, I'm going 
to have problems displaying it on 96dpi screen if I want those dimensions 
respected. It's a problem of resolution.


Phil.



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Re: visual problem on two triplets in 4/4 time

[Carl Sorensen]

On 9/24/10 9:25 AM, "胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng"  wrote:

> Hello,
>   My mother found a problem when I write continuous triplets. For example,
> \time 4/4 c'4 c' \times 2/3 { c'8 d' e' } \times 2/3 { f' g' a' }
> The two triplets are grouped like one sextupplet, but with two 3's. What's the
> problem? Is it a wrong practice in notation convention? Is it controlled by
> beam settings?
> Regards
> Haipeng
> 

What version are you using?

Can you make a simple sample file?

The code above works just fine on 2.13.34

Thanks,

Carl

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Re: Optimising output for screen.

[David Kastrup]

Kaz Kylheku  writes:

> For reference, I have here Adobe Reader 9.3.3 and Evince 2.30.3.
>
> I do see the bar lines over-extending past the staff lines.
> This must be a Lilypond bug.

Not at all.

> If that were a scaling artifact, it would be impossible to
> draw the letter T without the stem crossing through the
> crown.

It is usually drawn as one outline.

Of course, Lilypond could try to mitigate the scaling sensitivity by
drawing barlines ending in the _middle_ of staff lines.  However, it
means that you have to treat the corners (bar lines at the start/end of
a staff) separately.  It may be hard to come up with a good way of doing
them similarly insensitive to scaling issues.

-- 
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Re: visual problem on two triplets in 4/4 time

[Phil Holmes]

Simply compiling and displaying the code you supplied gives 2 crochets and then 
2 pairs of beamed triplets.  It's not 6 notes beamed together.  I'd guess that 
you have over-ridden some beaming setting elsewhere in your score.

--
Phil Holmes


  - Original Message - 
  From: 胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng 
  To: lilypond-user 
  Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 4:25 PM
  Subject: visual problem on two triplets in 4/4 time


  Hello,
My mother found a problem when I write continuous triplets. For example,
  \time 4/4 c'4 c' \times 2/3 { c'8 d' e' } \times 2/3 { f' g' a' }
  The two triplets are grouped like one sextupplet, but with two 3's. What's 
the problem? Is it a wrong practice in notation convention? Is it controlled by 
beam settings?
  Regards
  Haipeng


   



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Re: Optimising output for screen.

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Graham Percival" 

To: "Phil Holmes" 
Cc: "Phil Burfitt" ; "Trevor Daniels" 
; 

Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: Optimising output for screen.



On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Phil Holmes  wrote:

So I would conclude - if you need excellent screen display, you'll either
need a carefully written PDF viewer, or a screen with a resolution of 
around

1000 dpi.


If anybody is seriously interested in this issue, then why not look at
the mailing list archives for one the discussions between developers
(including Han-Wen, one of the founders of lilypond) about this
PRECISE ISSUE ?  This whole discussion, and any time you guys have
spent making images, is simply re-hashing the previous two discussions
on this topic... except without the opinions of the person who knows
lilypond the best.

- Graham

PS if you want a hint, one of those discussions was in 2007.



Thanks.  Now read it.  Also:

http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/lilypond-de...@gnu.org/msg01792.html

I was making the images for my own interest and thought it was illustrative 
of the way Reader works.


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Re: Optimising output for screen.

[Kaz Kylheku]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:49:15 +0100, "Phil Burfitt"
 wrote:
> Trevor, I've downloaded a number of PDF viewers for Windows and taken
> screen snapshots at 96dpi on Vista of each at 100% scaling (PNG
> attachment). Problems occur in all of them as to be expected as
> Lilyponds output is optimised for printer and will have a resolution
> of probably at least 300dpi.

In fact, Lilypond's output doesn't have a resolution. It is vector
graphics. The music symbols you are seeing are drawn using Bezier
curves and lines.

It is up to the renderer to optimize this.

 The most common problem seen in these
> viewers is the rendering of staves that when scaled down do not fall
> exactly on a pixel. Adobe doesn't seem to anti-alias raster images,
> but it's font rendering is a lot sharper. Evince does the best overall
> job IMO.

I have both installed and they are producing
roughly equivalent output. Adobe is obviusly anti-aliasing
the graphics. However, it does a terrible job when the size is reduced
(magnification < 100%). Adobe at 50% looks like crap compared
to Evince at 50%. Beams on sixteenth notes are glued together
in the Adobe output, but in the Evince output, they look
perfectly distinct. At the larger sizes, like 100% and up,
it's fine. It seems to have anti-aliasing in the curve rendering
algorithm itself, but fails to implement a decent filter when
scaling down. To do that right you have to keep rendering the
graphics at a higher resolution and do a shrink; you can't
continue to rely on the anti-aliasing in the rasterization
routines for curves and lines. Adobe seems to do a very crude
supersampling job when shrinking. It's not as bad as one sample
per pixel, but maybe as little as four.

Adobe Reader's magnification goes up to 6400%. You can use
this to see that the graphics really is resolution independent.
A treble clef viewed at 6400% appears perfectly smooth;
there is no evidence that pixels are being magnified.

For reference, I have here Adobe Reader 9.3.3 and Evince 2.30.3.

I do see the bar lines over-extending past the staff lines.
This must be a Lilypond bug.

If that were a scaling artifact, it would be impossible to
draw the letter T without the stem crossing through the
crown.


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Fw: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond sucessfully.

[MING TSANG]

the following reply all did't go thru. Now I try again, just send ti lilypond 
users.



- Forwarded Message 
From: MING TSANG 
To: Kaz Kylheku 
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 8:58:11 AM
Subject: Re: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond  
sucessfully.


Kaz, 
thank you. I don't know how to run lilypond on CMD EXE. Can you provide some 
command line script?

I try the alternative method as suggested. I got the following message:
  "GS.EXE entry point not found -- the procedure entry point 
gsapi_delete_insta...@4 could not be located in the dynamic link library 
gs-8.70.dll"

For the past few days I have been rebooting window xp several times.


Mark Polesky:  thank you for pointing me to contact jedit users. I have send 
them an email and waiting for their response.  






From: Kaz Kylheku 
To: MING TSANG 
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 11:02:24 PM
Subject: Re: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond  
sucessfully.


This mailing list is about Lilypond.
What happens if you run just the lilypond executable?
In windows you can open a CMD.EXE window on the folder and run lilypond on the 
file. If the executable is not in your %PATH%, you will have to use the full 
path.
Alternately, you should be able, in Explorer, to right click on the .ly file 
and 
invoke the "Generate PDF" command from the popup menu.
Be sure that no program has any of the output files (MIDI, PDF, ...) open, 
because this may prevent Lilypond from being able to write to the files. 
(Install a real OS to avoid that problem).
If you follow this procedure and get a PDF, there is no Lilypond problem. Maybe 
the surrounding tools are "eating" the PDF.
Also, when was the last time you rebooted that Windows? At least once every few 
days is a good idea.
 
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:51:34 -0700 (PDT), MING TSANG  wrote:
Here below is jedit console message display. According to the message a .ps 
file 
is generated and a .pdf is generated as well.  However I find the .ps file but 
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Re: Optimising output for screen.

[Alexander Kobel]

On 2010-09-24 17:42, Phil Holmes wrote:

It's my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong, somebody) that LilyPond
is optimised neither for screen or print - it outputs as PDF, and so the
quality of the image seen depends on the quality of the program that
interprets the PDF. LilyPond is essentially simply telling the PDF
viewer/printer "draw a line from here to here".


I think that's a point where LilyPond's output is harder to interpret 
than that of other applications:  Lily uses quite sophisticated varying 
line thicknesses, and IIRC, bar lines, staff lines etc. are drawn as 
rectangles.
It comes to no surprise that PostScript /lines/ in, say, Finale files 
are less sensitive to zoom changes.  The viewer can use a single pixel 
as minimum thickness, probably plus antialiasing, no matter if the line 
should actually be thinner.  For screen output, that's perfectly fine. 
On the other side, Lily's /rectangles/ need more involved handling to 
get such tweaks fine.  At least, the viewers don't seem to try a similar 
subpixel-resolution effort for more than lines.


[ All this is pure speculations which I can't back up.  I don't /know/ 
for sure whether the viewers take such an approach, and what exactly the 
PDF instructions generated by different engravers, including LilyPond, 
are.  But I have the strong suspicion from several files I've seen that 
it's not too far from the truth. ]


In summary, I like the approach taken by LilyPond for it's superb 
printed output.  If it's "just" a matter of exchanging line and 
rectangle commands, there might be way to yield better results, but I'm 
certain the different options have already been considered for the 
current implementation in a wider context than just this.
The only thing that really bugs me for the time being is that in several 
viewers and small zoom levels, the staff line-note head-fitting is 
really bad.  (This includes Adobe Reader, Evince and Okular, but not 
MacOS X preview, IIRC.)  No clue if we can change this with Lily's code, 
though.


Just my two pence...


Cheers,
Alexander

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Re: 2.13.34-1 freezes when updating syntax (Mac 10.4)

[James Bailey]

On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:27 AM, James Wilkinson wrote:

> Gets to the point of saying "Applying conversion:" and just stops
> -- 

Does the file compile when you try it in 2.13.34? It may be that there are no 
changes which need to be made.
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Re: Optimising output for screen.

[Trevor Daniels]

Phil Burfitt wrote Friday, September 24, 2010 3:49 PM


Trevor, I've downloaded a number of PDF viewers for Windows and 
taken screen
snapshots at 96dpi on Vista of each at 100% scaling (PNG 
attachment).
Problems occur in all of them as to be expected as Lilyponds 
output is
optimised for printer and will have a resolution of probably at 
least
300dpi. The most common problem seen in these viewers is the 
rendering of
staves that when scaled down do not fall exactly on a pixel. Adobe 
doesn't
seem to anti-alias raster images, but it's font rendering is a lot 
sharper.

Evince does the best overall job IMO.


Thanks, Phil, that's an interesting set of images.  I must have 
chosen a
fortuitous example when I found perfect rendering at 96 px/in and 
100%

resolution in Adobe, as this clearly is a counter-example.

Adobe does anti-alias lines (if preferences is set to do so), but 
not
(it seems) if they are either vertical or horizontal.  Personally I 
don't
line the anti-aliased staff lines and stems in Evince, preferring 
the

cleaner lines in Adobe and Nuance, but each to his own.

Trevor




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Re: Optimising output for screen.

[Graham Percival]

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Phil Holmes  wrote:
> So I would conclude - if you need excellent screen display, you'll either
> need a carefully written PDF viewer, or a screen with a resolution of around
> 1000 dpi.

If anybody is seriously interested in this issue, then why not look at
the mailing list archives for one the discussions between developers
(including Han-Wen, one of the founders of lilypond) about this
PRECISE ISSUE ?  This whole discussion, and any time you guys have
spent making images, is simply re-hashing the previous two discussions
on this topic... except without the opinions of the person who knows
lilypond the best.

- Graham

PS if you want a hint, one of those discussions was in 2007.

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Re: Optimising output for screen.

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Burfitt" 

To: "Trevor Daniels" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Optimising output for screen.


Trevor, I've downloaded a number of PDF viewers for Windows and taken 
screen

snapshots at 96dpi on Vista of each at 100% scaling (PNG attachment).
Problems occur in all of them as to be expected as Lilyponds output is
optimised for printer and will have a resolution of probably at least
300dpi. The most common problem seen in these viewers is the rendering of
staves that when scaled down do not fall exactly on a pixel. Adobe doesn't
seem to anti-alias raster images, but it's font rendering is a lot 
sharper.

Evince does the best overall job IMO.

Phil.


It's my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong, somebody) that LilyPond is 
optimised neither for screen or print - it outputs as PDF, and so the 
quality of the image seen depends on the quality of the program that 
interprets the PDF.  LilyPond is essentially simply telling the PDF 
viewer/printer "draw a line from here to here".  It's then down to the 
viewer to decide how to realise that on the screen.  Clearly, with screen 
resolutions of 96 dpi and most printers of at least 600 dpi (my laser prints 
1200 x 600) then the viewer has a much better chance of placing the lines 
consistently on a printer.  I've had a play with Adobe 8 on my Vista machine 
and shown how it changes how it renders lines as its own zoom is increased. 
See the attached - this is the same pair of bar lines, taken from different 
systems on a score, viewed in Adobe at 4 resolutions, with each image scaled 
up in PhotoShop so it appears the same size.


At 100% it does a fairly poor job - overlapping the staves upwards once and 
downwards once, with varying size lines and varying stave spacing.  At 200% 
the lines are better but there's still overlap.  At 400% the lines vary 
again but the bar lines are good.   Even at 800% the line spacing is 
inconsistent, although it looks perfectly good.


So I would conclude - if you need excellent screen display, you'll either 
need a carefully written PDF viewer, or a screen with a resolution of around 
1000 dpi.


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Re: Optimising output for screen.

[Phil Burfitt]

Doh!


Adobe doesn't seem to anti-alias raster images...


Should be"Adobe doesn't seem to anti-alias VECTOR images

Phil.


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visual problem on two triplets in 4/4 time

[胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng]

Hello,
  My mother found a problem when I write continuous triplets. For example,
\time 4/4 c'4 c' \times 2/3 { c'8 d' e' } \times 2/3 { f' g' a' }
The two triplets are grouped like one sextupplet, but with two 3's. What's the 
problem? Is it a wrong practice in notation convention? Is it controlled by 
beam settings?
Regards
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First impressions of alpha test

[Carl Sorensen]

Keith Ohara wrote:

> What are everyone's first impressions of 2.13.34, the alpha test?

Thanks for the review!  And especially, thanks for testing it on some old
scores to make sure we don't have regressions.


> The auto-beaming has changed, and seems to beam a little less often than the
> old system. The differences I saw were in tuplets, so I cannot yet say if
there 
> are any standard beams missing.

As far as we know, the new autobeam settings match exactly with those
recommended in Stone, Ross, and Read.  If you have a place where you think
the autobeaming output is incorrect, please share it with us.

> So I'm hopeful that the eventual 2.14 will have equivalently pretty output to
> 2.12, with less need to override.  (Okay, more pretty; the lined-up instrument
> names at the left of the score are very nice.)

That's our hope as well.

Thanks,

Carl


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Re: How to include a file/definition temporarily?

[Carl Sorensen]

On 9/24/10 4:37 AM, "Patrick Schmidt"  wrote:

> Carl,
> 
> first of all thank you very much for your patch! I had a quick look
> at it on Rietveld and I'm stunned. I don't know how you managed to
> get all of this done in such a short period of time.

You're welcome.  When one is really familiar with the code (I'm the original
author of this stuff), it doesn't usually take long to make changes.

> Am 24.09.2010 um 07:12 schrieb Carl Sorensen:
> 
>> Patrick,
>> 
>> I've loaded a patch on Rietveld that allows user-defined fretboard
>> tables,
>> so you can include two different tables and switch between them at
>> will.
>> 
>> If you don't build from git, you'll need to wait for a release.  If
>> you do,
>> you can download the patch set now.
> I think I can build from git (VirtualBox/LilyBuntu ond Mac OS 10.4).
> At least IIRC I managed it once. As I don't want to change my running
> system I can't use the current version of Virtual Box but I hope this
> won't be a problem. At least I will have to increase my RAM. (At the
> moment I only have 1 GB for both OSs). And I'll have to get used to
> LilyBuntu. So it might take some time for me to test your patch.

Don't feel any pressure to test my patch.  I just wanted you to know it was
available because you had made the feature request.  It will get added to
git relatively soon, and there should be a new release coming soon as well.

> I 
> actually haven't got a clue what I have to do with your patch after
> downloading it.

You would download the patch, then apply it using

git apply

Then you'd rebuild lilypond with

make


> Or is it already part of the current devel version?

It's not yet part of the git repository.  It's posted for comment on
Rietveld.  Once it's reviewed by others it will be pushed to git.  At that
point anybody who pulls the code using git will have it.

It will only become part of the current devel version when a new devel
version is released.
 
> This might be a stupid question but I didn't find any information on
> this in the manuals.

I guess we should put a section on Reviewing Patches in the CG.

> 
> Thanks again,
> patrick
> 
> P.S.: While working on alternative fretboard tables I think I found a
> better workaround for triad inversions in chord mode...

I'm anxious to see what you have in mind!

Thanks,

Carl


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Re: Jedit with lilypond tools

[MING TSANG]

Thank you Bertalan.  I did a search on c: drive for the .pdf file and cannot 
locate it anywhere.





From: Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) 
To: MING TSANG 
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 6:35:14 AM
Subject: Re: Jedit with lilypond tools

  Perhaps that version of LilyPond puts the PDF in a different directory than 
the .ly file is in

MING TSANG wrote: 
I use jedit with lilypond tool. I also use lilypond 2.13.33 The console has the 
following message. However, I cannot locate the .pdf file.  I do a search on 
c:\ 
drive and cannot find the file.  I see the midi file.  One additional question: 
on v2.12 after running lilypond, I can see three files - .mid; .ps and .pdf. 
V2.13.33 only has two files created - .mid and .pdf; why?
>
><><><><><><><><>
>> %lilypond %args "C:\Documents and 
>>Settings\Administrator\Desktop\LILY_POND\the-lord-is-in-his-holy-temple.ly"
>正在處理 ‘C:/Documents and 
>Settings/Administrator/Desktop/LILY_POND/the-lord-is-in-his-holy-temple.ly’
>分析中...
>Interpreting music... [8][16]
>Preprocessing graphical objects...
>Interpreting music... 
>將 MIDI 輸出至 ‘the-lord-is-in-his-holy-temple.mid’...
>Finding the ideal number of pages...
>Fitting music on 1 page...
>Drawing systems...
>Layout output to `the-lord-is-in-his-holy-temple.ps'...
>轉換為 ‘./the-lord-is-in-his-holy-temple.pdf’...
>success: Compilation successfully completed
>Processing time: 9 seconds
>
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Re: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond sucessfully.

[MING TSANG]

Kaz, 
thank you. I don't know how to run lilypond on CMD EXE. Can you provide some 
command line script?

I try the alternative method as suggested. I got the following message:
  "GS.EXE entry point not found -- the procedure entry point 
gsapi_delete_insta...@4 could not be located in the dynamic link library 
gs-8.70.dll"

For the past few days I have been rebooting window xp several times.


Mark Polesky:  thank you for pointing me to contact jedit users. I have send 
them an email and waiting for their response. 





From: Kaz Kylheku 
To: MING TSANG 
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 11:02:24 PM
Subject: Re: Help needed - missing .pdf file after running lilypond  
sucessfully.


This mailing list is about Lilypond.
What happens if you run just the lilypond executable?
In windows you can open a CMD.EXE window on the folder and run lilypond on the 
file. If the executable is not in your %PATH%, you will have to use the full 
path.
Alternately, you should be able, in Explorer, to right click on the .ly file 
and 
invoke the "Generate PDF" command from the popup menu.
Be sure that no program has any of the output files (MIDI, PDF, ...) open, 
because this may prevent Lilypond from being able to write to the files. 
(Install a real OS to avoid that problem).
If you follow this procedure and get a PDF, there is no Lilypond problem. Maybe 
the surrounding tools are "eating" the PDF.
Also, when was the last time you rebooted that Windows? At least once every few 
days is a good idea.
 
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:51:34 -0700 (PDT), MING TSANG  wrote:
Here below is jedit console message display. According to the message a .ps 
file 
is generated and a .pdf is generated as well.  However I find the .ps file but 
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Re: printing bar numbers on every odd measure

[Alexander Kobel]

On 2010-09-24 13:56, eluze wrote:

Am 23.09.2010, 16:52 Uhr, schrieb Phil Holmes :

Snippets need to be marked approved before they are visible. I can do
this, so if you want one checking and approving, please ask here.


yes, please - is it usual to mention the author? if yes, then Alexander
Kobel should be honored.


Thanks, but forget about it, please. :-)
There are a few where the contributor is mentioned, but usually it's 
only done for larger snippets which require substantial programming or 
tweaks beyond LilyPond's builtin facilities.  Far from this one, 
although it's useful.



Cheers,
Alexander

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Re: printing bar numbers on every odd measure

[eluze]

Am 23.09.2010, 16:52 Uhr, schrieb Phil Holmes :


- Original Message - From: "-Eluze" 

i have modified it now - i have no idea how long it takes to be  
"officialy"
reachable, but in case you can look for ⌂ printing odd bar numbers only  
or

http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?u=1&id=712
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?u=1&id=712

It's now visible as the last snippet in the repository by date.  Not  
sure how long before it's picked up by the search engine.


Snippets need to be marked approved before they are visible.  I can do  
this, so if you want one checking and approving, please ask here.


yes, please - is it usual to mention the author? if yes, then Alexander  
Kobel should be honored.




The use of the shift key in snippets is also mandatory :-)


sorry, i couldn't remember its location...



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Re: How to include a file/definition temporarily?

[Patrick Schmidt]

Carl,

first of all thank you very much for your patch! I had a quick look  
at it on Rietveld and I'm stunned. I don't know how you managed to  
get all of this done in such a short period of time.

Am 24.09.2010 um 07:12 schrieb Carl Sorensen:


Patrick,

I've loaded a patch on Rietveld that allows user-defined fretboard  
tables,
so you can include two different tables and switch between them at  
will.


If you don't build from git, you'll need to wait for a release.  If  
you do,

you can download the patch set now.
I think I can build from git (VirtualBox/LilyBuntu ond Mac OS 10.4).  
At least IIRC I managed it once. As I don't want to change my running  
system I can't use the current version of Virtual Box but I hope this  
won't be a problem. At least I will have to increase my RAM. (At the  
moment I only have 1 GB for both OSs). And I'll have to get used to  
LilyBuntu. So it might take some time for me to test your patch. I  
actually haven't got a clue what I have to do with your patch after  
downloading it. Or is it already part of the current devel version?  
This might be a stupid question but I didn't find any information on  
this in the manuals.


Thanks again,
patrick

P.S.: While working on alternative fretboard tables I think I found a  
better workaround for triad inversions in chord mode...


Thanks,

Carl






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Re: Jedit with lilypond tools

[Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)]

Perhaps that version of LilyPond puts the PDF in a different directory 
than the .ly file is in


MING TSANG wrote:
I use jedit with lilypond tool. I also use lilypond 2.13.33 The 
console has the following message. However, I cannot locate the .pdf 
file.  I do a search on c:\ drive and cannot find the file.  I see the 
midi file.  One additional question: on v2.12 after running lilypond, 
I can see three files - .mid; .ps and .pdf. V2.13.33 only has two 
files created - .mid and .pdf; why?


<><><><><><><><>
> %lilypond %args "C:\Documents and 
Settings\Administrator\Desktop\LILY_POND\the-lord-is-in-his-holy-temple.ly"
正在處理 ‘C:/Documents and 
Settings/Administrator/Desktop/LILY_POND/the-lord-is-in-his-holy-temple.ly’

分析中...
Interpreting music... [8][16]
Preprocessing graphical objects...
Interpreting music...
將 MIDI 輸出至 ‘the-lord-is-in-his-holy-temple.mid’...
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 1 page...
Drawing systems...
Layout output to `the-lord-is-in-his-holy-temple.ps'...
轉換為 ‘./the-lord-is-in-his-holy-temple.pdf’...
success: Compilation successfully completed
Processing time: 9 seconds


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Re: Arpeggio glyph markup

[keith Luke]

Yes, I am doing a jazz-style arrangement.  I guess I'll just make a chord of
whole notes so the \arpeggio will work.

I ended up using *1 \arpeggio -\markup {\italic \fontsize #2 "Fine"}
\fermata* to get the arpeggio glyph to display.

Thanks for pointing out the oversight on needing at least two simultaneous
notes.

Aloha,

Keith

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Marc E. Schonbrun
wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Mark Polesky wrote:
>
>> keith Luke wrote:
>> > I'm trying to add an arpeggio glyph to the left of the
>> > c whole note, but keep getting errors.
>>
>> You need at least two simultaneous notes for an arpeggio.
>>
>> - Mark
>>
>>
> Mark is correct. The following snipped complies fine for me. Can I assume
> that you are writing jazz-style notation and you want the player to roll the
> indicated rhythm slash notation?
>
>
> \relative c'
>
> {
> \improvisationOn
>
>  1 \arpeggio -\markup {\italic \fontsize #2 "Fine"} \fermata
>
> \improvisationOff
> }
>
>
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Re: 2.13.34-1 freezes when updating syntax (Mac 10.4)

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "James Wilkinson" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:27 AM
Subject: 2.13.34-1 freezes when updating syntax (Mac 10.4)



Gets to the point of saying "Applying conversion:" and just stops


Others might understand this, but I haven't a clue what you're saying. 
Could you be a little more specific about what you're doing and what is 
happening?



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Re: Optimising output for screen.

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Trevor Daniels" 
To: "Phil Holmes" ; "Phil Burfitt" 
; "Kaz Kylheku" 

Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: Optimising output for screen.




Phil Holmes  wote Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:37 PM


I have noticed the way Adobe Reader renders lines, etc., somewhat 
variably,


Phil, do you see this variability in Adobe Reader if you select
"Use system setting" for the Resolution and view at exactly 100%?
Then try 99% or 101%, or any other and you'll see the variability.

I think it's scaling that causes the distortion.

Trevor


As it turns out, the screen shot was with Reader set to 100% scaling (it was 
a co-incidence, A4 scales to 96.9% on my screen).  It's the same at 200%. 
As I said - I ascribe this to Reader and am not worried about it, was just 
pointing out it does happen.  I guess it might be worth a note in the docs 
somewhere.



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Re: duplicate dynamics on same staff

[vicente]

>> if the dynamics are the same, it's better to write them just once. thus
>> you:
>> 1) save typing
>>
> Yes, if I were just starting, I would save typing. This time I didn't
> discover this problem until I already had it done the other way, so it's
> just going to be extra work. Yeah, I know I'm whining about the hour it's
> going to take,

then you can just prevent the dynamics printing on one voice:

\version "2.12.3"
<<
  \new Voice = "A" \with {
\remove "New_dynamic_engraver"
 % it could be "Dynamic_engraver" in 2.13, I'm not sure
  }

  \relative c'' {
  \voiceOne
  a\f b\> c d\p
  } \\
  \new Voice = "B" \relative c' {
  \voiceTwo
  c\f d\> e f\p
  }
>>

>>> if Lilypond can see that one of these
>>> things needs to be moved, how hard  would it be to have it determine
>>> that they are identical and just not print one of them?
[...]
>> 2) help lilypond so it doesn't need to waste time guessing obvious
>> things and it can concentrate on the big stuff  :)

I actually don't know if what you requested is possible at all with Lily.
I might be just speaking too much...

greetings,

Vicente



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First impressions of alpha test

[Keith E OHara]

What are everyone's first impressions of 2.13.34, the alpha test?

I remembered to run convert-ly (which worked for me, but I don't have MacOS 
10.4, where James W ran into trouble) but it made very few changes to scores 
written for 2.12.

The change that jumped out at me was the spacing, both of notes and staves.

Where 2.12 was too timid in trying to fit staves on a page, 2.13 sometimes tries to fit 
too many.  I had some "between-system-spacing/padding" assignments in the paper 
blocks, put there to encourage tighter spacing from 2.12. The docs indicate that the 
vertical spacing variables have changed their structure (I'll have to see if convert-ly 
flagged them for me) so I removed them, and was much happier with the output.

The horizontal spacing now quite aggressively tucks notes under/over the 
accidentals of the following notes.  Maybe I will not need to reduce 
shortest-duration-space any more. The space between the first or last note in a 
measure, and the neighboring barline, seems occasionally too tight -- but maybe 
I'll like that, once I get used to it.

The auto-beaming has changed, and seems to beam a little less often than the 
old system. The differences I saw were in tuplets, so I cannot yet say if there 
are any standard beams missing.

So I'm hopeful that the eventual 2.14 will have equivalently pretty output to 
2.12, with less need to override.  (Okay, more pretty; the lined-up instrument 
names at the left of the score are very nice.)  My hunch is that the default 
parameters, for the new spacing and auto-beaming systems, will get some 
adjustment after we find clean examples where adjustment is needed.

-Keith


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Re: adding 'HarmonicEvent?

[Marc Hohl]

Marc Hohl schrieb:

[...]

Meanwhile, it tried to expand your function by adapting some lsr 
snippets,

http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=82
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=696

Playing (or struggling?) with the latter, I came up with the following:

---8<---
\version "2.13.32"

#(define (make-harmonic music)
(let (
   (eventname (ly:music-property  music 'name))
   (elts (ly:music-property music 'elements))
   (elt  (ly:music-property music 'element))
)
(if (pair? elts)
(begin
  (if (and (eq? eventname 'EventChord)
   (eq? (ly:music-property (car elts) 'name) 'NoteEvent))
  (set! (ly:music-property music 'elements)
(append elts (list 'articulations (list (make-music 
'HarmonicEvent))

  (map make-harmonic elts)))
(if (ly:music? elt)
(make-harmonic elt))
music
))

makeHarmonic = #(define-music-function (parser location music) (ly:music?)
(make-harmonic music)

)

\relative c' {
 \displayMusic 4
 \displayMusic { \makeHarmonic { g f < c e > } }
}

---8<---

but as you can see in the output on the console, the 'articulations is still
at the same lavel as 'elements, not inside the 'elements list.
How can I place the 'articulations entry in the appropriate hierarchy level?



but all I can achieve so far is either an unchanged note head or a 
segfault :-(


The segfault disappeared, but the note heads are (of course) still 
unchanged.


TIA

Marc



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