Re: musescore
From: Marc Mouries m...@mouries.net I like however the page that allows to sync scores with youtube videos. Check it out it's really nice. http://musescore.com/node/855 -- Marc Any idea how they do that ? Phil. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Odd output
- Original Message -
From: Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Odd output
Hi,
I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making some
mistake.
When compiling this example:
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ f'4 }
}
I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up and
down). There is no indication that f is there.
Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
Thanks!
Marco
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This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year. I think it
was my first bug report:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
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Re: Tremolo beams between more than two notes
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From: Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: Tremolo beams between more than two notes
Am Mittwoch, 8. Dezember 2010, um 15:22:57 schrieb Phil Holmes:
Yes - the code gets confused as the breves get higher:
\version 2.13.41
\relative c' {
\repeat tremolo 4 { f16 a d a }
\repeat tremolo 4 { a16 b e b }
\repeat tremolo 4 { b d f d }
}
You want a bug report, Reinhold?
Yes. Note, however, that this also happens with two-note tremolos:
\version 2.13.41
\relative c' {
\repeat tremolo 8 { f16 b }
\repeat tremolo 8 { b16 e }
\repeat tremolo 8 { d16 g }
\repeat tremolo 8 { f16 b }
}
Console output is:
Processing `trem.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music...
Preprocessing graphical objects...
programming error: Grob direction requested while calculation in progress.
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: Grob direction requested while calculation in progress.
continuing, cross fingers
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 1 page...
Drawing systems...
trem.ly:6:24: warning: weird stem size, check for narrow beams
\repeat tremolo 8 {
d16 g }
Layout output to `trem.ps'...
Converting to `./trem.pdf'...
That problem also appears in 2.12.x, so it hasn't crept in recently...
Cheers,
Reinhold
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1444
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Re: problem with compillation of a large file
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Stefan Thomas kontrapunktste...@googlemail.com wrote: Dear community, I have a proplem with a large score. When I run lilypond, I get at the end the error message Preprocessing graphical objects...string:9:110: In procedure procedure-name in expression (procedure-name stil-proc): string:9:110: Wrong type argument in position 1: #f I can compile without problems all the parts of the score, but not the score itself. I also tried it with export LILYPOND_GC_YIELD=10 but without any success. The strange thing is: with the same machine I could compile the same file without problems, just a few months ago. I don't understand this ... If you'd like to post an archive of the source files somewhere (or email it privately) I'd be happy to test it on my machine. Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: musescore
it's explained here: http://screenr.com/3L0 On Dec 10, 2010, at 3:32 AM, Phil Burfitt wrote: From: Marc Mouries m...@mouries.net I like however the page that allows to sync scores with youtube videos. Check it out it's really nice. http://musescore.com/node/855 -- Marc Any idea how they do that ? Phil. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
music fit on page, new item found in 2.13.42
Hello, I just downloaded 2.13.42. When making parts, I see the log file has a new thing. There are still many couldn't fit music on page if I use normal staff size, but after that, a compressing music to fit message is added. Does it mean I will be no longer worried about music fitting problem? Regards Haipeng ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: musescore
Christopher Meredith schreef op do 09-12-2010 om 14:36 [-0600]: Hi Christopher, I'm not sure that's the link you intended to include. It just goes to the MuseScore website. Yes, I was a bit quick with this message. What I meant was the share yours aspect of it -- although I imagined that it was more wiki-like than it actually is. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: musescore
I have around 2800 FB friends, nearly all of them musicians, and I plan to do some Lilypond advocacy - hence my friend request. I'll need some 'backup' debaters/advisors etc. and so if anybody would like to send me a friend request, well the more the merrier. I think we can get quite a few converts if we plan it right. Some kind of facebook lilypond app would help - I'm thinking of a stripped down version of omet.ca (For those interested, it's easy to just put a pre--existing webpage/webapp into a facebook iframe - it's that simple). Just a thought. M. On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org wrote: This is smart pr http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmusescore.org%2Fen%2Fabout%2Ftestimonialsh=cd3b2 also note they have 1500 fans on #fb today! Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Odd output
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Re: Odd output
You get 2 stems because you created 2 voices with the signs and \\
see
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Multiple-voices.html
What are you trying to compose?
On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Marco Correia wrote:
Hi,
I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making some
mistake.
When compiling this example:
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ f'4 }
}
I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up and
down). There is no indication that f is there.
Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
Thanks!
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Re: musescore
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org wrote: This is smart pr http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmusescore.org%2Fen%2Fabout%2Ftestimonialsh=cd3b2 also note they have 1500 fans on #fb today! Greetings, Jan I'm not sure that's the link you intended to include. It just goes to the MuseScore website. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How to parenthesize a time signature
Thanks Carl, that's exactly what I was looking for.
Something I tried naively at first:
\parenthesize
\time 4/4
But \parenthesize seems only to work for notes, rests, and chords.
-Jonathan
--- On Fri, 12/10/10, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote:
From: Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu
Subject: Re: How to parenthesize a time signature
To: Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com, lilypond-user@gnu.org
lilypond-user@gnu.org, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 1:06 AM
On 12/9/10 8:28 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Is there a quick way to parenthesize a simple
time
signature?
There's a quick way to bracketify a time signature:
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=169
To get real parentheses requires a little more
tweaking.
Maybe someone who has already done this will chime
in. If
not, I don't have time right now, but someone could
tweak
the idea in this post to accomplish it:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2009-05/msg00401.html
\version 2.13.42
\relative c'' {
\override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = #(lambda
(grob)
(parenthesize-stencil
(ly:time-signature::print grob) 0.1 0.4 0.4 0.1 ))
\time 2/4
a4 b8 c
}
HTH,
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Re: musescore
Mike Blackstock schreef op do 09-12-2010 om 17:06 [-0800]: Hi Mike, I have around 2800 FB friends, nearly all of them musicians, and I plan to do some Lilypond advocacy - hence my friend request. I'll need some 'backup' debaters/advisors etc. and so if anybody would like to send me a friend request, well the more the merrier. I think we can get quite a few converts if we plan it right. Some kind of facebook lilypond app would help - I'm thinking of a stripped down version of omet.ca (For those interested, it's easy to just put a pre--existing webpage/webapp into a facebook iframe - it's that simple). Just a thought. Great talking to you. Yes, we can surely do with some free music software pr. Great stuff also being done by http://scorio.org (and even http://etudeapp.com ). Also I've taken a small stride into the idea of a gui client for LilyPond (http://lilypond.org/schikkers-list ); we'll see when I find the time to develop that further. Greetings, Jan M. On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org wrote: This is smart pr http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmusescore.org% 2Fen%2Fabout%2Ftestimonialsh=cd3b2 also note they have 1500 fans on #fb today! Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Odd output
Thanks!
I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to serve
as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
plain wrong!
Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the lilypond
code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what other
kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
algorithm...
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
consideration.
Thank you!
Marco
On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Odd output
Hi,
I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
some mistake.
When compiling this example:
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ f'4 }
}
I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up and
down). There is no indication that f is there.
Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
Thanks!
Marco
This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year. I think it
was my first bug report:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
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Re: musescore
I prepared a simple lilypond example which shows some simple things. I can send that to you or others if you were interested. It uses lilypond within LaTeX to show the simple stuff using a famous tune, plus it gets a little more elaborate. I only include attachments if people request them, so if you are interested, let me know. Paul Thompson From: Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org Cc: lilypond-user lilypond-user@gnu.org; lilypond-devel lilypond-de...@gnu.org Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 7:06:33 PM Subject: Re: musescore I have around 2800 FB friends, nearly all of them musicians, and I plan to do some Lilypond advocacy - hence my friend request. I'll need some 'backup' debaters/advisors etc. and so if anybody would like to send me a friend request, well the more the merrier. I think we can get quite a few converts if we plan it right. Some kind of facebook lilypond app would help - I'm thinking of a stripped down version of omet.ca (For those interested, it's easy to just put a pre--existing webpage/webapp into a facebook iframe - it's that simple). Just a thought. M. On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org wrote: This is smart pr http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmusescore.org%2Fen%2Fabout%2Ftestimonialsh=cd3b2 also note they have 1500 fans on #fb today! Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Odd output
Please reply to the user group as well.
As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is
working for nothing on the code.
I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.
I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be
displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other
tweaks to make it work.
My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code, but
you're welcome to a copy if you want.
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From: Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Odd output
Thanks!
I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to
serve
as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
plain wrong!
Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the
lilypond
code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what
other
kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
algorithm...
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
consideration.
Thank you!
Marco
On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Odd output
Hi,
I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
some mistake.
When compiling this example:
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ f'4 }
}
I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up
and
down). There is no indication that f is there.
Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
Thanks!
Marco
This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year. I think it
was my first bug report:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
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Re: lilypond cameo
Hello On 10/12/2010 07:43, Jan Warchoł wrote: Seriously though, have you considered changing the default font for chords? Oh yes, but only to make it smaller, I prefer mine '12% smaller' than default, but the 'sans' font I think, is how chord names should be displayed. I know it's a preference and I don't think the feta font has anything to do with it - at least from my perspective - but more than when you have a lead sheet or a score with chords on it plus all the other 'gumpf' that is usually in a serif font (title, composer, arranger, tempo, dim.. cresc.. etc) they blend in when they are anything but sans. When I see serif used for chord names it's like someone using 'zapf chancery' for body text because it's 'fancy' :) Although I have to say I have seen chord names in 'comic sans' on printed material I have played in my Wind Band and actually while that sounds dreadful, when you're playing some old time rag or an old traditional song that's about 'jolly' things, comic sans chord names seem some how apt! Have fun JAmes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How to parenthesize a time signature
Jonathan, On 10/12/2010 03:41, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: But \parenthesize seems only to work for notes, rests, and chords. Yes this feature was introduced in 2.13.x. You are using 2.12.x I see? So you have the option of using what is in the LSR or using the 'unstable' to 2.13.41 or 42 and using that. James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Odd output
Why not set one of the notes to a different enharmonic pitch? It's
certainly much kinder to the musician who's trying to play the composition.
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ es'4 }
}
Cheers,
Mike
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:
Please reply to the user group as well.
As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is
working for nothing on the code.
I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.
I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be
displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other
tweaks to make it work.
My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code, but
you're welcome to a copy if you want.
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- Original Message - From: Marco Correia
marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Odd output
Thanks!
I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to
serve
as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
plain wrong!
Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the
lilypond
code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what
other
kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
algorithm...
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
consideration.
Thank you!
Marco
On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Odd output
Hi,
I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
some mistake.
When compiling this example:
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ f'4 }
}
I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up
and
down). There is no indication that f is there.
Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
Thanks!
Marco
This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year. I think it
was my first bug report:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
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Re: How to parenthesize a time signature
Hi !
This coould be seen as a special time signature.
I've been recently told (forgive me, you who told me : I can't remmeber
who you were, anyway some great person :-D ) how to mix a glyph and a
time,signature : you could probably adapt this trick (I couldn't ! :'( ).
\version 2.13
%% Define a function to display custom time signatures
#(define ((double-time-signature glyph a b) grob)
(grob-interpret-markup grob
(markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 2.5) #:number
(#:line ((markup (#:fontsize 4
#:musicglyph glyph))
(#:fontsize -1 #:column (a
b)))
\score {
\relative c'' {
\override Score.TimeSignature #'stencil = #(double-time-signature
timesig.mensural64 3 2)
\time 3/2
c2. c2 d4 e2. d c2 e4 d2 d4 c1. \bar |.
}
}
Best regards
JMarc
James a écrit :
Jonathan,
On 10/12/2010 03:41, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
But \parenthesize seems only to work for notes, rests, and chords.
Yes this feature was introduced in 2.13.x.
You are using 2.12.x I see?
So you have the option of using what is in the LSR or using the
'unstable' to 2.13.41 or 42 and using that.
James
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Re: Odd output
If you check, you'll see that there's an F# and an Fnat in different voices,
but they're not shown as separate notes. It's a bug I reported earlier this
year.
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From: Marc Mouries m...@mouries.net
To: Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: Odd output
You get 2 stems because you created 2 voices with the signs and \\
see
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Multiple-voices.html
What are you trying to compose?
On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Marco Correia wrote:
Hi,
I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making some
mistake.
When compiling this example:
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ f'4 }
}
I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up and
down). There is no indication that f is there.
Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
Thanks!
Marco
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Re: Odd output
As I replied in my direct reply - because it's not right. I asked a friend who
teaches music about the Mikado problem I had and he said:
Key- C major
Bass note pedals - C-G C-G etc.
Chord in Bar 1 G7 (G B D Fnat = dominant 7th); Chord in Bar 2 C major (CEG)
Each bar has a melody which uses AGF# G with the F# as a chromatical altered
note (lower auxiliary between the 2 Gs) and therefore clashes (to create
interest) with both chords.
Each sounds fine on their own but looks illogical as a whole.
If you can convince LilyPond that the accidentals are in different voices in
the piano part then I would hope it would work. You could but shouldn't
use a Gb not a F# as the first chordsis a G chord.
Note his final comment - could use a Gb but shouldn't.
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From: Michael Ellis
To: LilyPond User Group
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Odd output
Why not set one of the notes to a different enharmonic pitch? It's certainly
much kinder to the musician who's trying to play the composition.
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ es'4 }
}
Cheers,
Mike
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:
Please reply to the user group as well.
As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is
working for nothing on the code.
I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.
I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be
displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other tweaks
to make it work.
My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code, but
you're welcome to a copy if you want.
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- Original Message - From: Marco Correia
marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Odd output
Thanks!
I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to
serve
as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
plain wrong!
Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the
lilypond
code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what
other
kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
algorithm...
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
consideration.
Thank you!
Marco
On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Odd output
Hi,
I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
some mistake.
When compiling this example:
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ f'4 }
}
I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up
and
down). There is no indication that f is there.
Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
Thanks!
Marco
This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year. I think
it
was my first bug report:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
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Re: Odd output
Because spelling counts! D# and E♭may sound the same (on a tempered instrument)
but they are two very different notes. And an performer playing an instrument
that can distinguish between the two, should.
On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Michael Ellis wrote:
Why not set one of the notes to a different enharmonic pitch? It's certainly
much kinder to the musician who's trying to play the composition.
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ es'4 }
}
Cheers,
Mike
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:
Please reply to the user group as well.
As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is
working for nothing on the code.
I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.
I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be
displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other
tweaks to make it work.
My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code, but
you're welcome to a copy if you want.
--
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- Original Message - From: Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Odd output
Thanks!
I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to serve
as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
plain wrong!
Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the lilypond
code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what other
kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
algorithm...
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
consideration.
Thank you!
Marco
On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Odd output
Hi,
I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
some mistake.
When compiling this example:
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ f'4 }
}
I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up and
down). There is no indication that f is there.
Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
Thanks!
Marco
This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year. I think it
was my first bug report:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
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Re: Odd output
Your friend is absolutely correct for that particular case. Sullivan chose
the lesser of two evils. Misspelling the dominant chord would have been
confusing to the pianist and spelling the vocal line as A G Gb G would have
looked weird to the singer. My response was directed to the original
example which doesn't give enough context to justify the F#/Fnat relation
musically.
Cheers,
Mike
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:
As I replied in my direct reply - because it's not right. I asked a
friend who teaches music about the Mikado problem I had and he said:
Key- C major
Bass note pedals - C-G C-G etc.
Chord in Bar 1 G7 (G B D Fnat = dominant 7th); Chord in Bar 2 C major (CEG)
Each bar has a melody which uses AGF# G with the F# as a chromatical
altered
note (lower auxiliary between the 2 Gs) and therefore clashes (to create
interest) with both chords.
Each sounds fine on their own but looks illogical as a whole.
If you can convince LilyPond that the accidentals are in different voices
in
the piano part then I would hope it would work. You could but shouldn't
use a Gb not a F# as the first chordsis a G chord.
Note his final comment - could use a Gb but shouldn't.
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- Original Message -
*From:* Michael Ellis michael.f.el...@gmail.com
*To:* LilyPond User Group lilypond-user@gnu.org
*Sent:* Friday, December 10, 2010 5:18 PM
*Subject:* Re: Odd output
Why not set one of the notes to a different enharmonic pitch? It's
certainly much kinder to the musician who's trying to play the composition.
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ es'4 }
}
Cheers,
Mike
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:
Please reply to the user group as well.
As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is
working for nothing on the code.
I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.
I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be
displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other
tweaks to make it work.
My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code,
but you're welcome to a copy if you want.
--
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- Original Message - From: Marco Correia
marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Odd output
Thanks!
I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to
serve
as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
plain wrong!
Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the
lilypond
code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what
other
kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
algorithm...
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
consideration.
Thank you!
Marco
On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Odd output
Hi,
I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
some mistake.
When compiling this example:
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ f'4 }
}
I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up
and
down). There is no indication that f is there.
Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
Thanks!
Marco
This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year. I think
it
was my first bug report:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
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Re: Odd output
Yes! Spelling does count because poorly spelled music is much harder to
read. I'm somewhat less convinced regarding sonic differences on untempered
instruments because the matter is more complicated than that, e.g G# as the
leading tone to A is different from G# as the third of E. In practice, it
comes down to the performer's ear to make those distinctions. So, for me at
least, readability is the primary consideration. For those who care about
such things, here's a link to the best article I've seen on the subject.
It's by Bert Ligon, head of the Jazz Studies department at the University of
South CarolinaCollege of Music.
MUSIC SPELL CHECK? PURPOSEFUL
ACCIDENTALShttps://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.music.sc.edu%2Fea%2FJazz%2FPURPOSEFULACCIDENTALS3.pdf
Cheers,
Mike
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:55 PM, James Bailey
derhindem...@googlemail.comwrote:
Because spelling counts! D# and E♭may* sound* the same (on a tempered
instrument) but they are two very different notes. And an performer playing
an instrument that can distinguish between the two, should.
On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Michael Ellis wrote:
Why not set one of the notes to a different enharmonic pitch? It's
certainly much kinder to the musician who's trying to play the composition.
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ es'4 }
}
Cheers,
Mike
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:
Please reply to the user group as well.
As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is
working for nothing on the code.
I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.
I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be
displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other
tweaks to make it work.
My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code,
but you're welcome to a copy if you want.
--
Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Marco Correia
marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Odd output
Thanks!
I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to
serve
as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
plain wrong!
Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the
lilypond
code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what
other
kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
algorithm...
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
consideration.
Thank you!
Marco
On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Odd output
Hi,
I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
some mistake.
When compiling this example:
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ f'4 }
}
I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up
and
down). There is no indication that f is there.
Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
Thanks!
Marco
This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year. I think
it
was my first bug report:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
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Re: Odd output
I'd say it's up to more than just the performer's ear to make the distinction.
If you spend much time listening to music where enharmonic notes are rounded to
a median, the ability of the listener/performer to distinguish the difference
diminishes. So the audience is just as at fault at not hearing the difference
between our enharmonic notes as the performers.
On Dec 10, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Michael Ellis wrote:
Yes! Spelling does count because poorly spelled music is much harder to read.
I'm somewhat less convinced regarding sonic differences on untempered
instruments because the matter is more complicated than that, e.g G# as the
leading tone to A is different from G# as the third of E. In practice, it
comes down to the performer's ear to make those distinctions. So, for me at
least, readability is the primary consideration. For those who care about
such things, here's a link to the best article I've seen on the subject. It's
by Bert Ligon, head of the Jazz Studies department at the University of South
CarolinaCollege of Music.
MUSIC SPELL CHECK? PURPOSEFUL ACCIDENTALS
Cheers,
Mike
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:55 PM, James Bailey derhindem...@googlemail.com
wrote:
Because spelling counts! D# and E♭may sound the same (on a tempered
instrument) but they are two very different notes. And an performer playing
an instrument that can distinguish between the two, should.
On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Michael Ellis wrote:
Why not set one of the notes to a different enharmonic pitch? It's
certainly much kinder to the musician who's trying to play the composition.
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ es'4 }
}
Cheers,
Mike
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:
Please reply to the user group as well.
As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is
working for nothing on the code.
I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.
I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be
displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other
tweaks to make it work.
My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code, but
you're welcome to a copy if you want.
--
Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Marco Correia
marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Odd output
Thanks!
I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to
serve
as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
plain wrong!
Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the lilypond
code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what
other
kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
algorithm...
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
consideration.
Thank you!
Marco
On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Odd output
Hi,
I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
some mistake.
When compiling this example:
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ f'4 }
}
I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up and
down). There is no indication that f is there.
Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
Thanks!
Marco
This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year. I think it
was my first bug report:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
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Troubles with LilypondTool
I'm not sure whether this is the right place to post this. I've got an issue with the pdf previewer that comes with LilypondTool. When I open jEdit and start typing, it looks fine. However, as soon as I use jEdit to compile the text, the viewer starts doing weird things: http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/967/jediterror2.jpg http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6325/jediterror1.jpg Deleting the Settings directory in jEdit doesn't help, and neither does uninstalling and reinstalling jEdit. As far as I know there haven't been any system changes between installing jEdit and the problem occurring - one day the problem wasn't there, the next day it was. -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Troubles-with-LilypondTool-tp30429474p30429474.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
problem with complicated tuplets (xenakis)
Dear list members,
I'm having a problem with tuplets displaying correctly in certain situations but
not in others.
for example, the following works fine on its own:
\time 4/4
c32 c c16
\times 8/7 {c16 c c c c c32 c c16}
\times 7/6 {c c c c c c }
\times 5/4 { c16 c c c32 c }
\times 4/3 {c16 c32 c c c }
\times 4/3 {c16 c c }
\times 5/4 { c c c32 c c16 }
\times 6/5 {c16 c c32 c c c c16 }
\times 7/6 { c16 c c32 c c16 c32 c c c }
But it does not display correctly if there is a part above it with similarly
complicated tuplets. For example if you take what's above and put it in the
left hand of a piano part, then take the exact same music, shift it over by one
measure and place it in the right hand, something goes wrong. why?
I'm using lilypond version 2.13.7-1 on osx 10.6.5
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Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?
I stumbled upon this picture of notation and I've never seen the final note (in each voice, the right page voices have a slightly different version) http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsjosq.jpg From the position it must be a longa, the fermata over it indictates the same. Best visible on the top left version is that there is indeed the right-handed stem from a longa at the end of this symbol. Has anyone seen this in a different context? I would like to see more pictures or versions. Btw. if you know any other strange or seldom used notation symbols please let me know :) Greetings, Nils ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Odd output
Michael Ellis michael.f.el...@gmail.com writes: Yes! Spelling does count because poorly spelled music is much harder to read. I'm somewhat less convinced regarding sonic differences on untempered instruments because the matter is more complicated than that, e.g G# as the leading tone to A is different from G# as the third of E. In practice, it comes down to the performer's ear to make those distinctions. I have asked someone about a quint register in a virtual accordion, and while I have not heard it myself, his opinion is that this register is a _tempered_ fifth above the normal sound (namely, in scale). I tend to believe him, even though it would imply that someone had no clue about what he is supposed to be doing (or did not have the material/samples to do this properly). I've long ago come to the painful realization that it is a mistake to rule out that possibility. I am not sure that a performer with a manually-pitchable instrument will overly obey enharmonic information against his own ear. Writing functionally, however, will help with recognizing chord patterns. There are curious things like keyboards (cembali, I think) with split black keys that can be tuned to make use of that distinction, but I would suppose that the players of such rare beasts are versed enough to apply the right choice even against notation. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?
On 21:32, Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Nils Gey wrote: I stumbled upon this picture of notation and I've never seen the final note (in each voice, the right page voices have a slightly different version) http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsjosq.jpg From the position it must be a longa, the fermata over it indictates the same. Best visible on the top left version is that there is indeed the right-handed stem from a longa at the end of this symbol. Has anyone seen this in a different context? I would like to see more pictures or versions. Btw. if you know any other strange or seldom used notation symbols please let me know :) Greetings, Nils Probably just a scribal quirk - the incomplete illuminations give some idea of how prestigious this volume was (or was intended to be). Which source is it? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
a basic tuplet question
dear list, how would I code a tuplet group whose first notes are a subdivision of the tuplet note? for example: 16th note triplets that begin with 2 32nd notes. thanks! Sepand ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:40:15 + Owain Sutton m...@owainsutton.co.uk wrote: On 21:32, Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Nils Gey wrote: I stumbled upon this picture of notation and I've never seen the final note (in each voice, the right page voices have a slightly different version) http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsjosq.jpg From the position it must be a longa, the fermata over it indictates the same. Best visible on the top left version is that there is indeed the right-handed stem from a longa at the end of this symbol. Has anyone seen this in a different context? I would like to see more pictures or versions. Btw. if you know any other strange or seldom used notation symbols please let me know :) Greetings, Nils Probably just a scribal quirk - the incomplete illuminations give some idea of how prestigious this volume was (or was intended to be). Which source is it? If going to the root of this URL does not help I don't know. Google image search. I searched through mensural music (and medieval) for exactly these things. Strange looking or nice looking things in notation (without the usual Ars Subtilior Heart-Shape Notation) Nils ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?
It appears to be the opening Kyrie of the Josquin's Missa Beata Virgine, ca 1510. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Josquin_Missa_BV_Kyrie.jpg I believe music printing was a thriving enterprise by then, so it's unlikely to be (completely) hand scribed. Cheers, Mike On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Nils Gey den...@nilsgey.de wrote: On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:40:15 + Owain Sutton m...@owainsutton.co.uk wrote: On 21:32, Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Nils Gey wrote: I stumbled upon this picture of notation and I've never seen the final note (in each voice, the right page voices have a slightly different version) http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsjosq.jpg From the position it must be a longa, the fermata over it indictates the same. Best visible on the top left version is that there is indeed the right-handed stem from a longa at the end of this symbol. Has anyone seen this in a different context? I would like to see more pictures or versions. Btw. if you know any other strange or seldom used notation symbols please let me know :) Greetings, Nils Probably just a scribal quirk - the incomplete illuminations give some idea of how prestigious this volume was (or was intended to be). Which source is it? If going to the root of this URL does not help I don't know. Google image search. I searched through mensural music (and medieval) for exactly these things. Strange looking or nice looking things in notation (without the usual Ars Subtilior Heart-Shape Notation) Nils ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: a basic tuplet question
Sepand,
Durations in tuplets work just like those outside of tuplets. Sixteenth note
tuplets that begin with 32nd notes would look like this:
\times 2/3 { c32 c c16 c }
Cheers,
Nick
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Sepand Shahab
sepandsha...@alum.calarts.edu wrote:
dear list,
how would I code a tuplet group whose first notes are a subdivision of the
tuplet note?
for example: 16th note triplets that begin with 2 32nd notes.
thanks!
Sepand
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Re:Re: music fit on page, new item found in 2.13.42
Thanks. Then, is anyone able to let Lilypond break the non-fittable line into the next page? Why it insists in putting such line on the current page? This issue of ten jars with nine lids (a Chinese idiom) must be solved, otherwise 1. every part must use different staff size; and 2. I must manually insert breaks, which I can't do visually. Regards Haipeng -原始邮件- 发件人: Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu 发送时间: 2010年12月10日 星期五 收件人: 胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng hhpmu...@163.com 抄送: 主题: Re: music fit on page, new item found in 2.13.42 On 12/9/10 4:30 PM, 胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng hhpmu...@163.com wrote: Hello, I just downloaded 2.13.42. When making parts, I see the log file has a new thing. There are still many couldn't fit music on page if I use normal staff size, but after that, a compressing music to fit message is added. Does it mean I will be no longer worried about music fitting problem? It means that the music will always be on the page. However, when you get the compressing music to fit message, it is possible that there will be collisions. Thanks, Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?
Hello, I am not sure if you are aware of this website http://www.diamm.ac.uk/index.html It contains very high resolution digital images of mensural music. You do need to register (free) but some of the images there are beautiful. James -Original Message- From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org on behalf of Nils Gey Sent: Fri 12/10/2010 21:46 To: Owain Sutton Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is? On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:40:15 + Owain Sutton m...@owainsutton.co.uk wrote: On 21:32, Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Nils Gey wrote: I stumbled upon this picture of notation and I've never seen the final note (in each voice, the right page voices have a slightly different version) http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsjosq.jpg From the position it must be a longa, the fermata over it indictates the same. Best visible on the top left version is that there is indeed the right-handed stem from a longa at the end of this symbol. Has anyone seen this in a different context? I would like to see more pictures or versions. Btw. if you know any other strange or seldom used notation symbols please let me know :) Greetings, Nils Probably just a scribal quirk - the incomplete illuminations give some idea of how prestigious this volume was (or was intended to be). Which source is it? If going to the root of this URL does not help I don't know. Google image search. I searched through mensural music (and medieval) for exactly these things. Strange looking or nice looking things in notation (without the usual Ars Subtilior Heart-Shape Notation) Nils ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Request to mailing list lilypond-user rejected
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Re: Troubles with LilypondTool
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:49 PM, George_ georgexu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure whether this is the right place to post this. The LilyPondTool mailing may be more appropriate. I've got an issue with the pdf previewer that comes with LilypondTool. When I open jEdit and start typing, it looks fine. However, as soon as I use jEdit to compile the text, the viewer starts doing weird things: http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/967/jediterror2.jpg http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6325/jediterror1.jpg Deleting the Settings directory in jEdit doesn't help, and neither does uninstalling and reinstalling jEdit. As far as I know there haven't been any system changes between installing jEdit and the problem occurring - one day the problem wasn't there, the next day it was. I have seen this sort of things in the past,; it's generally a Windows-specific problem with the Java environment. Most of the time simply closing and reopening jEdit is enough to fix the problem; if it isn't, you may have to reboot your computer. Regards, Valentin. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: problem with complicated tuplets (xenakis)
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Sepand Shahab sepandsha...@alum.calarts.edu wrote: For example if you take what's above and put it in the left hand of a piano part, then take the exact same music, shift it over by one measure and place it in the right hand, something goes wrong. why? It may be laziness on my part, but I suspect many of us will be more able to help if you provide us with a complete (however short) example... See our recommandations on http://lilypond.org/tiny-examples Cheers, Valentin. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
notehead collisions in cluster
Hi. I wrote a program in C that finds the solutions, if any exist, to a
compositional problem specified in the command line. One of the output
formats is lilypond. Some of the solutions involve clusters that lilypond
does not display very well--noteheads overlap vertically, making them
illegible, and accidentals collide, or are misplaced or missing, when a
chord has two notes on the same line or space of the staff. It would be hard
to make my program intelligent enough to respell these cases, and in any
case there will still be some dense cases that are impossible to spell in
such a way that you can notate the cluster the way lilypond tries to. Here
is an example of the lilypond output of my program when the input is the
chord 012b:
\layout {
ragged-right = ##t
\context {
\Staff
\remove Time_signature_engraver
\remove Bar_engraver
}
}
\book {
\score {
\new Staff {
\set Staff.instrument = (012b)
\set Staff.extraNatural = ##f
#(set-accidental-style 'no-reset)
{ c' a' bes' b'1 des' d' ees' c''1 e' cis'' d'' dis''1 f'
fis' g' e''1 aes' f'' ges'' g''1 }
}
}
}
I uploaded an image as an attachment:
http://old.nabble.com/file/p30430768/collisions_example.png
collisions_example.png To be sure this is somewhat of a pathological case
and I do not expect lilypond to be able to handle it gracefully by default.
Ideally the cluster would be rendered with more horizontal spacing so as to
avoid collisions. My question is, what does anyone suggestion as a practical
solution? What could I instruct my program to do, if it is about to output a
chord with two noteheads on the same line or space of the staff?
Thank you! --Jon
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Re: My Lilypond Chart Template
Thanks for the tip. I was wondering how to do multiple columns of lyrics. harry Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Am 2010-11-29 um 22:15 schrieb hsweet: This is a template I've been slowly evolving to use for charts for my band. http://old.nabble.com/file/p30334633/lead_sheet_template.ly As a bit of inspiration, these are my templates: http://git.fiee.net/?p=lilystuff.git;a=tree global_liedvorlage.ly is the one I actually use, most settings are in global.ly liedvorlage.ly was the previous version. These are commented only in German. song_template.ly is nearly the same as liedvorlage.ly, but with comments in English. In contrary/addition to yours... - separate scores for print and MIDI, to be able to influence them independently (e.g. unfoldRepeats and dynamics) - lyrics of all verses in two columns - different structure Greetlings from Lake Constance --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/My-Lilypond-Chart-Template-tp30334633p30431272.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Odd output
Hi,
I didn't want to sound rude or anything. I just want to make a point that I do
not consider this as a minor improvement since:
1. The output is not aestetically wrong, it is definitely readable differently
from what is specified in the lilypond source.
2. I think you should not assume the user will write a musically (logicaly)
consistent piece in order to display the notes correctly.
3. It can happen in a real world exercise, for example when displaying music
which is obtained by a computer program.
I don't know anything about the lilypond internals. I'm just a 1 week newbie,
who just stumbled across this problem on one of the first attempts at
lilypond.
Lilypond is written in Scheme, is that right? For someone who doesn't know
this language, but has a strong background on computer science in general,
would you think that he could hack into the lilypond algorithm for displaying
the accidentals and make something better out of it? Is there any
documentation on the subject available?
I think the idea behind lilypond is great, and from the examples I've seen it
looks like it works very well for most cases. I'm willing to try to help to
correct this issue, with your help, if you think that it is feasible.
Anyway, thanks for making your effort available for free. I am also an open
souce developer and, believe me, I do value these contributions.
Thanks!
Marco
On Friday 10 December 2010, Phil Holmes wrote:
Please reply to the user group as well.
As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is
working for nothing on the code.
I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.
I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be
displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other
tweaks to make it work.
My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code, but
you're welcome to a copy if you want.
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- Original Message -
From: Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Odd output
Thanks!
I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to
serve
as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
plain wrong!
Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the
lilypond
code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what
other
kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
algorithm...
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
consideration.
Thank you!
Marco
On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Odd output
Hi,
I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
some mistake.
When compiling this example:
\include english.ly
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ f'4 }
}
I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up
and
down). There is no indication that f is there.
Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
Thanks!
Marco
This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year. I think
it was my first bug report:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
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Re: Odd output
On 12/10/10 8:27 PM, Marco Correia marco.v.corr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I didn't want to sound rude or anything. I just want to make a point that I do not consider this as a minor improvement since: 1. The output is not aestetically wrong, it is definitely readable differently from what is specified in the lilypond source. 2. I think you should not assume the user will write a musically (logicaly) consistent piece in order to display the notes correctly. 3. It can happen in a real world exercise, for example when displaying music which is obtained by a computer program. It's not rude for you to question our issue classification. Let me explain it to you. We have lots of issues, and few developers. So the issues that are worked on come in two kinds: critical issues and developers' favorite issues. The issue classification scheme is described in the LilyPond Contributor's Guide. http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/contributor/issue-classificatio n Critical issues are those that used to work in lilypond but don't now, or those that cause lilypond to crash. I don't know anything about the lilypond internals. I'm just a 1 week newbie, who just stumbled across this problem on one of the first attempts at lilypond. Lilypond is written in Scheme, is that right? LilyPond is written in a mix of C++ and Scheme. For someone who doesn't know this language, but has a strong background on computer science in general, would you think that he could hack into the lilypond algorithm for displaying the accidentals and make something better out of it? If you have a strong background in computer science, you can definitely contribute to LilyPond, whether or not you know Scheme. Scheme is not that hard to learn, and there are good references for it. Is there any documentation on the subject available? The documentation on hacking into LilyPond is available in the Contributor's Guide. It's not complete, but it's the best we've got. I think the idea behind lilypond is great, and from the examples I've seen it looks like it works very well for most cases. I'm willing to try to help to correct this issue, with your help, if you think that it is feasible. We'll be glad to offer help. Accidentals are created by the Accidental_engraver, which is written in C++. You can read a top-level description of the Accidental_engraver in the Internals Reference. You can find the source code in lily/accidental-engraver.cc Anyway, thanks for making your effort available for free. I am also an open souce developer and, believe me, I do value these contributions. We'd love to have you solve that problem! We'll provide whatever help we can. Thanks, Carl Sorensen P.S. We like to get replies in the body of the email, rather than on the top of the email. We have a no top-posting policy on the lilypond mailing lists. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
