Re: Is a cross-staff chord with ties possible in lilypond?

2011-04-20 Thread Jay Anderson 
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Helge Hafting  wrote:
> I am trying to enter a piece by Grieg, which contains the attached
> interesting construct.
>
> The manual shows how to write out an arpeggio like this,
> using a set of consecutive notes all tied to a chord.
>
> Unfortunately, these consecutive notes also cross from the lower to the
> upper staff.
> They have a common beam, so one voice jumps from one staff to another. So
> far, so good. But tieing to the cross-staff chord that follows doesn't work.
>
> A cross-staff chord must be entered in two voices, because you can't switch
> staff
> _inside_ a chord. (I tried, it was a syntax error.)
>
> But ties seems to work in the same voice only. So I can make the lower ties
> work, but not also the upper ones.
>
> Is this possible, or is there currently a limitation of lilypond?
>
> If there is a solution, I hope it also works for the midi output. So simply
> forcing some curved lines is not a good or complete solution.

Yes, it's possible (and to work with midi too), but it can get
complicated. Below is pretty close (without dynamics, articulations,
arpeggios, etc.).
- Cross staff chords aren't really a limitation of lilypond. They're
mostly just awkward to work with because, as you said, you must enter
them in separate voices and manually lengthen the stem (and remove
flags for shorter durations).
- Ties across voices aren't possible. You can fake them by hiding
identical tied notes in the other voice.

-Jay

\version "2.13.59"

\score
{
  \new PianoStaff
  <<
\new Staff=top \relative c''
{
  \clef treble
  \time 3/4
  <<
{\voiceOne f2.~ | f4.}
\new Voice {s8*5 \set tieWaitForNote = ##t \hideNotes dis,16~
gis~ \unHideNotes | \voiceTwo 2.}
  >>
}
\new Staff=bot \relative c
{
  \clef bass
  <<
{\stemDown 4. \stemNeutral}
\new Voice
{
  \change Staff=top
  \once \override Stem #'cross-staff = ##t
  \once \override Stem #'length = #12
  \stemDown
  4.
}
  >>
  \set tieWaitForNote = ##t
  \override Beam #'auto-knee-gap = #3
  e,,16~ b'~ e~ gis~ \change Staff=top dis' gis |
  \change Staff=bot
  2. |
}
  >>
}

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Re: How can I get my second tab voice to have stems!

2011-04-20 Thread Patrick Horgan 
On 04/20/2011 02:55 AM, Xavier Scheuer wrote:
>  \new TabStaff = "guitar tab" <<
> \new TabVoice = "upper" { \tabFullNotation \upper }
> \new TabVoice = "lower" { \tabFullNotation \lower }
>   >>
Thank you.  This also works:

\new TabStaff = "guitar tab" <<
\context TabVoice = "upper" { \tabFullNotation \upper }
\context TabVoice = "lower" { \tabFullNotation \lower }
>>

Once again I'm reading about context and trying to understand.  I'm a
C/C++ guy and I guess it would make more sense to me if I understood the
data structures.  I understand that the \context will do the \new if
required.  Do they both create a named context exactly the same?

Patrick

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Is a cross-staff chord with ties possible in lilypond?

2011-04-20 Thread Helge Hafting 
I am trying to enter a piece by Grieg, which contains the attached interesting 
construct.

The manual shows how to write out an arpeggio like this, 
using a set of consecutive notes all tied to a chord.

Unfortunately, these consecutive notes also cross from the lower to the upper 
staff.
They have a common beam, so one voice jumps from one staff to another. So
far, so good. But tieing to the cross-staff chord that follows doesn't work.

A cross-staff chord must be entered in two voices, because you can't switch 
staff
_inside_ a chord. (I tried, it was a syntax error.) 

But ties seems to work in the same voice only. So I can make the lower ties
work, but not also the upper ones.

Is this possible, or is there currently a limitation of lilypond?

If there is a solution, I hope it also works for the midi output. So simply
forcing some curved lines is not a good or complete solution.

Helge Hafting
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Re: legato chordGlissando

2011-04-20 Thread Federico Bruni 
Il giorno mar, 19/04/2011 alle 20.01 +0200, Federico Bruni ha scritto:
> There's a way to achieve a good looking *legato* chord glissando? (i.e.
> using slurs)
> 
> In the following snippet I'd like to remove the two slurs in the middle.
> Any idea?
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> \version "2.13.60"
> 
> music = \relative c' {
>   \set doubleSlurs = ##t
>   \chordGlissando
>   8( )
> }
> 
> \new StaffGroup <<
>   \new Staff { \clef "G_8" \music }
>   \new TabStaff { \clef "moderntab" \music }
> >>
> 

I've learned how to hide a slur connecting not simultaneous notes:

c-\tweak #'stencil #f ( cis d dis)

or

\once \override Slur #'stencil = ##f
  c( cis d dis)


But I don't know how to hide just one or two slurs connecting chords.
Probably a solution would be using two different voices, but I don't
like it.  I think I'll give up with this.

Cheers,
Federico


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Re: bug triplet line collides with fingering

2011-04-20 Thread Ralph Palmer 
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Marc Mouries  wrote:

>
> On Apr 20, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Marc Mouries wrote:
>
> > In this snippet the triplet line collides with the fingering.
> >
> > \version "2.13.60"
> > \language "english"
> >
> > Violin = \relative d'' {
> >  \times 2/3{d4 a8-4}
> > }
> > \score {
> >   \new Staff { \Violin  }
> >   \layout {}
> > }
> > 
> >
> > I know i could use "\once \override TupletBracket #'direction = #DOWN"
> but there are already many situations where lilypond detects collisions and
> adapt the music elements accordingly so i am wondering if that's a situation
> that is not correctly handled or a limitation.
> >
> > -Marc
> >
> >
>
>
> I changed the direction of the TupletBracket but now it collides with the
> slur!
> Shouldn't lilypond adapt the length of the bracket and the starting point
> of the slur?
>
>
>
>
> \version "2.13.60"
> \language "english"
>
> Violin = \relative d' {
>  \key d \major
>  \once \override TupletBracket #'direction = #DOWN
>  \times 2/3 {d'4\flageolet a8-4(} \times 2/3{fs d a)}
> }
> \score {
>   \new Staff {\Violin  }
>   \layout {}
> }
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Yes, this should be reported to the Bug Squad.

Marc, P
please send this to :
bug-lilyp...@gnu.org.

I believe you'll have to join the list.

Ralph


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Re: bug triplet line collides with fingering

2011-04-20 Thread Marc Mouries 

On Apr 20, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Marc Mouries wrote:

> In this snippet the triplet line collides with the fingering.
> 
> \version "2.13.60"
> \language "english"
> 
> Violin = \relative d'' {
>  \times 2/3{d4 a8-4}
> }
> \score {
>   \new Staff { \Violin  }
>   \layout {}
> }
> 
> 
> I know i could use "\once \override TupletBracket #'direction = #DOWN" but 
> there are already many situations where lilypond detects collisions and adapt 
> the music elements accordingly so i am wondering if that's a situation that 
> is not correctly handled or a limitation.
> 
> -Marc
> 
> 


I changed the direction of the TupletBracket but now it collides with the slur!
Shouldn't lilypond adapt the length of the bracket and the starting point of 
the slur?

<>

\version "2.13.60"
\language "english"

Violin = \relative d' {
  \key d \major
  \once \override TupletBracket #'direction = #DOWN
  \times 2/3 {d'4\flageolet a8-4(} \times 2/3{fs d a)} 
}
\score {
   \new Staff {\Violin  }
   \layout {}
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bug triplet line collides with fingering

2011-04-20 Thread Marc Mouries 
In this snippet the triplet line collides with the fingering.

\version "2.13.60"
\language "english"

Violin = \relative d'' {
  \times 2/3{d4 a8-4}
}
\score {
   \new Staff { \Violin  }
   \layout {}
}
<>

I know i could use "\once \override TupletBracket #'direction = #DOWN" but 
there are already many situations where lilypond detects collisions and adapt 
the music elements accordingly so i am wondering if that's a situation that is 
not correctly handled or a limitation.

-Marc


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Re: Bug? Fingerings collide with slurs when used in <>

2011-04-20 Thread Ralph Palmer 
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:10 AM, MusFelix  wrote:

>
> Fingerings stop avoiding slurs when they are placed within a chord <...> or
> even a single note <>.  Is this not a bad default behavior?  For example:
>
> \version "2.13.51"
> \include "english.ly"
> \relative c'
> {
>\clef bass
>c8-1( d-2 e-3) b-1( f-2) g-3( a-1 b-2)
>(  ) ( ) (  )
> }
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>
>
Greetings, MusFelix -

This should have gone to the bug list. It has been entered as issue 1628 :
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1628

Ralph

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Re: Beaming problem introduced with 2.13.60

2011-04-20 Thread Phil Holmes 
- Original Message - 
From: "flup2" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: Beaming problem introduced with 2.13.60




So do it here when running only that line. The problem is that, in a 
longer

file (without changes from 2.13.33), here is what it looks like. I also
receive a warning "taille de hampe bizarre; vérifier la présence de liens
étroits" (the french version of the message quoted earlier about beam,
narrow bounds etc.).
http://old.nabble.com/file/p31440777/stem.jpg

No problem with these measures alone, but in a whole score, the problem
occurs

Philippe


This is a known bug that, as Mike says, has been fixed in the latest 
development version.  That version is not yet publically available.


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Re: Beaming problem introduced with 2.13.60

2011-04-20 Thread flup2 

So do it here when running only that line. The problem is that, in a longer
file (without changes from 2.13.33), here is what it looks like. I also
receive a warning "taille de hampe bizarre; vérifier la présence de liens
étroits" (the french version of the message quoted earlier about beam,
narrow bounds etc.).
http://old.nabble.com/file/p31440777/stem.jpg 

No problem with these measures alone, but in a whole score, the problem
occurs

Philippe
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Re: How can I get my second tab voice to have stems!

2011-04-20 Thread Xavier Scheuer 
On 20 April 2011 11:41, Patrick Horgan  wrote:
>
> Using GNU LilyPond 2.13.45, with this source there's no stems for the
> quarter notes in the bottom voice in the tab staff.  I'm attaching a png
> that shows the problem.  (I turned off the footer so the png would be
> small instead of being a whole page.)

If you have a look at the definition of  "tabFullNotation"  (in
"ly/property-init.ly", you would see that it contains –among others–
  \revert TabVoice.Stem #'length
which means that  \tabFullNotation  is intended to be used at the
"TabVoice" level.

This works:

  \new TabStaff = "guitar tab" <<
\new TabVoice = "upper" { \tabFullNotation \upper }
\new TabVoice = "lower" { \tabFullNotation \lower }
  >>

Cheers,
Xavier

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How can I get my second tab voice to have stems!

2011-04-20 Thread Patrick Horgan 
Using GNU LilyPond 2.13.45, with this source there's no stems for the
quarter notes in the bottom voice in the tab staff.  I'm attaching a png
that shows the problem.  (I turned off the footer so the png would be
small instead of being a whole page.)

\version "2.13.45"

\paper {
  oddFooterMarkup = #f
}
tagline = \markup { \center-column { "" ""   "This is my tagline" } }
upper = \relative c {
  \time 4/4
  \key c \major
  \voiceOne
  \stemUp
  < c' g' >2. 4 |
  4. g8 e' d c g( |
  a) d ~ d g,( a) d ~ d g,( |
 a) d ~ d g,( a) d ~ d4  |
}

lower = \relative c {
  \time 4/4
  \key c \major
  \voiceTwo
  \stemDown
  c4 e g, r | c e c e | f f f f | f f f f |
}


\score {
  <<
\new StaffGroup = "tab with traditional" <<
  \new Staff = "guitar traditional" <<
\clef "treble_8"
\context Voice = "upper" \upper
\context Voice = "lower" \lower
  >>
  \new TabStaff = "guitar tab" <<
\tabFullNotation
\context TabVoice = "upper" \upper
\context TabVoice = "lower" \lower
  >>
>>
  >>
}

<>\version "2.13.45"

\paper {
  oddFooterMarkup = #f
}

tagline = \markup { \center-column { "" ""   "This is my tagline" } }
upper = \relative c {
  \time 4/4
  \key c \major
  \voiceOne
  \stemUp
  < c' g' >2. 4 |
  4. g8 e' d c g( |
  a) d ~ d g,( a) d ~ d g,( | 
 a) d ~ d g,( a) d ~ d4  | 
}

lower = \relative c {
  \time 4/4
  \key c \major
  \voiceTwo
  \stemDown
  c4 e g, r | c e c e | f f f f | f f f f |
}


\score {
  <<
\new StaffGroup = "tab with traditional" <<
  \new Staff = "guitar traditional" <<
	\clef "treble_8"
	\context Voice = "upper" \upper
	\context Voice = "lower" \lower
  >>
  \new TabStaff = "guitar tab" <<
	\tabFullNotation
	\context TabVoice = "upper" \upper
	\context TabVoice = "lower" \lower
  >>
>>
  >>
}

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Re: Beaming problem introduced with 2.13.60

2011-04-20 Thread m...@apollinemike.com 
On Apr 20, 2011, at 4:01 AM, flup2 wrote:

> 
> I had the same problem in a score with these notes :
> 
> d4-- c8->( g ~ g) g'->( f e)
> 
> I had no problem before 2.13.60
> 
> Philippe
> 

Your snippet compiles fine in the most recent development version.

Cheers,
MS

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Re: Beaming problem introduced with 2.13.60

2011-04-20 Thread flup2 

I had the same problem in a score with these notes :

d4-- c8->( g ~ g) g'->( f e)

I had no problem before 2.13.60

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