Odd things with \repeat percent and R1

[Jim Long]

On FreeBSD 8.3 amd64, this works for R1, R1*1, or R1*2, but
crashes lilypond with R1*3 (or 4 ...).  Puzzling.

Jim


GNU LilyPond 2.16.1
Processing `tiny.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting 
music.../usr/local/share/lilypond/2.16.1/scm/music-functions.scm:318:21: In 
procedure car in expression (car durs):
/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.16.1/scm/music-functions.scm:318:21: Wrong type 
(expecting pair): ()


\version "2.16.1"

\score {
  \new Staff <<
\repeat percent 4 R1*2
  >>
}
\version "2.16.1"

\score {
  \new Staff <<
\repeat percent 4 R1*2
  >>
}


tiny.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
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Re: change staff for component notes of chord

[Jeffrey Trevino]

Hi there,

Thanks for your responses. I'll make due with the current span stem
engraver, but I think that it would be easier to extend the functionality
of the \change Staff = "staffName" paradigm to do this more elegantly in
future versions.

cheers,
Jeff

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Phil Holmes  wrote:

> - Original Message - From: "Xavier Scheuer" 
> To: "Jeffrey Trevino" 
> Cc: "lilypond-user" 
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: change staff for component notes of chord
>
>
>
>  On 25 January 2013 08:17, Jeffrey Trevino 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hi there,
>>>
>>> I like the "change staff" interface for switching staffs and beaming
>>> across
>>> them. Is there a similar interface available for chords, which allows the
>>> user to specify that certain higher or lower notes should be drawn on a
>>> different staff? I would find this much easier to use than the
>>> "cross-staff
>>> stem" interface described in the keyboard writing section.
>>>
>>
>> Not yet, but there is an open feature request about this.
>> http://code.google.com/p/**lilypond/issues/detail?id=2270
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Xavier
>>
>
> Just checking that you're aware that cross-staff stems were improved in
> late 2.15.  If you use 2.16 or 2.17 I think they work fairly well:
>
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/**Documentation/notation/common-**
> notation-for-keyboards#cross_**002dstaff-stems
>
> --
> Phil Holmes
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Re: ledger line crash with very high notes in first chord of system

[Jeffrey Trevino]

Hi there,

That's right: the accidentals should be moved to the left to avoid
collision with the ledger lines.

cheers,
Jeff

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Phil Holmes  wrote:

> **
> I presume you don't like the fact that the accidentals are within the
> ledger lines, rather like they are in staff lines.  What would you want?
>
> --
> Phil Holmes
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jeffrey Trevino 
> *To:* lilypond-user 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 25, 2013 4:47 AM
> *Subject:* ledger line crash with very high notes in first chord of system
>
> I think I've found a default behavior that could use a little work:
>
> When I make a chord that contains the interval of a major second or
> smaller, up high enough to warrant ledger lines, the ledger lines are
> lengthened, to accommodate the increased horizontal space needed to write
> this tiny interval legibly; however, if a third note requires an
> accidental, the accidental of this third note sometimes collides with these
> lengthened ledger lines. I've attached photos of some examples.
>
> fyi,
> Jeff
>
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Re: Lilypond-book, Xelatex, and full scores

[flup2]

Hello,

When I need to include full scores into a LaTeX document, I usually use the
LaTeX package "pdfpages" (I guess it also works with XeLaTeX): it allows the
crop the PDF margins, magnify (ou reduce) and other interesting options that
could be usefull for your needs.

Philippe



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Re: Non-kludgy way to pad rest

[Eluze]

m...@mikesolomon.org wrote
> The attached image from one of my scores shows a half rest dangerously
> close to a final barline.  I could tinker with extents, but blech.  Is
> there a non-kludgy way to make it not get so cozy with the barline?

I can't even get an approximately ugly spacing with code I use - can you
reveal how it happens!?

Eluze



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Re: How to insert an "auxiliary" staff for divisi strings?

[Phil Holmes]

alignBelowContext does work.  You must be doing something wrong.  Do you have a 
tiny example of what you've been trying?

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Thomas 
  To: lilypond-user@gnu.org 
  Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:17 PM
  Subject: Re: How to insert an "auxiliary" staff for divisi strings?


  I have finally tried out the two additional suggestions. Somehow I couldn't 
make the one with alignBelowContext work: Lily didn't seem to care whether I 
put that in or not, the ossia staff would always end up at the bottom of the 
string staff group, below the double bass. Worse, when I put the Violin II in a 
StaffGroup, this stuff group would include the violas, cellos, and double 
basses below it as well but still put the ossia staff at the very bottom.



  On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Thomas  wrote:

I have finally tried out the two additional suggestions. Somehow I couldn't 
make the one with alignBelowContext work: Lily didn't seem to care whether I 
put that in or not, the ossia staff would always end up at the bottom of the 
string staff group, below the double bass. Worse, when I put the Violin II in a 
StaffGroup, this stuff group would include the violas, cellos, and double 
basses below it as well but still put the ossia staff at the very bottom.




On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Mark Witmer  wrote:


  Sorry, I forgot that crucial step. You can name a context when you
  create it:

  \new StaffGroup = "violinII" \with { ... } { ... }

  That's the value you can use for alignAboveContext and
  alignBeforeContext. Thus:

  \new Staff = "violinIdivisiB"
   \with { alignAboveContext = "violinII" } { ... }

  Here's more information about how to create and name contexts.

  
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/creating-and-referencing-contexts

  And more information about context layout order:

  http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/context-layout-order

  I hope that makes more sense!

  Mark







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Re: Fwd: How to insert an "auxiliary" staff for divisi strings?

[Thomas]

This method works (with the older syntax for me, as I have version 2.16.1),
so it would be an acceptable solution; thanks for explaining how it can be
done. The only shortcoming is that I must put in empty bars because the
inserted ossia part doesn't start at the beginning of the line. But maybe
one can fix that with forced linebreaks.
Thomas

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Mark Witmer  wrote:

>
> You can specify remove-first for an individual staff rather than the
> entire score, either by putting \override VerticalAxisGroup.remove-first
> = ##t inside the Staff's \with clause or by putting \override
> Staff.VerticalAxisGroup.remove-first = ##t at the beginning of the music
> for the staff.
>
> From the manual:
>
> ---
>
> Removing the first empty line
>
> The first empty staff can also be removed from the score by setting the
> VerticalAxisGroup property remove-first. This can be done globally
> inside the \layout block, or locally inside the specific staff that
> should be removed. In the latter case, you have to specify the context
> (Staff applies only to the current staff) in front of the property.
>
> ---
> (
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/modifying-single-staves#hiding-staves
> )
>
>
> I'm using some 2.17 syntax here; in 2.16 and earlier you need to use
> syntax like "\override Staff.VerticalAxisGroup #'remove-first =
> ##t". That still works in the newest version, but I think it'll be
> phased out at some point in the future in favor of separating everything
> w/periods.
>
> Mark
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Re: How to insert an "auxiliary" staff for divisi strings?

[Thomas]

I have finally tried out the two additional suggestions. Somehow I couldn't
make the one with alignBelowContext work: Lily didn't seem to care whether
I put that in or not, the ossia staff would always end up at the bottom of
the string staff group, below the double bass. Worse, when I put the Violin
II in a StaffGroup, this stuff group would include the violas, cellos, and
double basses below it as well but still put the ossia staff at the very
bottom.


On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Thomas  wrote:

> I have finally tried out the two additional suggestions. Somehow I
> couldn't make the one with alignBelowContext work: Lily didn't seem to care
> whether I put that in or not, the ossia staff would always end up at the
> bottom of the string staff group, below the double bass. Worse, when I put
> the Violin II in a StaffGroup, this stuff group would include the violas,
> cellos, and double basses below it as well but still put the ossia staff at
> the very bottom.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Mark Witmer  wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry, I forgot that crucial step. You can name a context when you
>> create it:
>>
>> \new StaffGroup = "violinII" \with { ... } { ... }
>>
>> That's the value you can use for alignAboveContext and
>> alignBeforeContext. Thus:
>>
>> \new Staff = "violinIdivisiB"
>>  \with { alignAboveContext = "violinII" } { ... }
>>
>> Here's more information about how to create and name contexts.
>>
>>
>> http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/creating-and-referencing-contexts
>>
>> And more information about context layout order:
>>
>> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/context-layout-order
>>
>> I hope that makes more sense!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>
>
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Lilypond-book, Xelatex, and full scores

[David Bellows]

Hello all,

I have several projects I'm working on where I have a substantial
amount of text that I want to typeset with Xelatex and intersperse
with full scores (several pages each) generated by Lilypond.

I have both Xelatex and Lilypond set to use the "letter" page size.

By default the scores get cut off on the side along with other spacing
issues.  This is at least partly due to the fact that Xelatex/Latex
uses different  margins than Lilypond.  So I used the geometry package
in Xelatex and am able to get the scores to appear in full but there
are still all sorts of problems with spacing and some graphic issues
(e.g., space between staves is smaller, graphic stuff is not rendering
like it does natively, etc.).

I'm guessing that the page headers in Xelatex might be part of the
problem here as well.

But before trying to go through and redefine all the offending
headers/footers I was wondering if anyone else had already figured all
this stuff out.  Is there an easy way to go about getting these full
scores to appear as they do when compiled by themselves? Maybe the
original Lilypond files need to be altered like using a different page
size? Is there a better workflow approach?

I experimented a little with Scribus but as best as I can tell I have
to split up all my pdfs into separate pages but even then the final
output is fuzzy in Scribus.  But maybe I'm missing something there (I
only just started using Scribus).

Thanks.

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Re: New user - I have an lone treble clef/extra staff

[David Nalesnik]

Hi Jon,

\version "2.10.10"
>

You may also want to upgrade to a newer version--this one is ancient!

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Re: New user - I have an lone treble clef/extra staff

[Noeck]

Just to add this:

Assuming, you program did all that settings and they are not mandatory
for you, here is an easier code, which does almost the same as yours
using LilyPonds defaults. It is much shorter and much more readable:


\version "2.10.10"

\header {
  title = "New Arrangement"
}

Chords = \chords { c1 f g c }

voice = {
  \tempo 4=120
  e'1 |
  a'1 |
  b1 |
  e'1
}

\score {
  <<
\Chords
{
  \set Staff.instrumentName = "bbb "
  \voice
}
  >>
}

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Re: New user - I have an lone treble clef/extra staff

[Noeck]

Hi Jon,

which program produces such an output?
I can only guess what could be inteded with that code, because it is
strange in several ways. To learn LilyPond it is better not to start
with automatically generated code like this!
A good start ist the learning manual from the beginning.
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/learning/index

Your question is addressed here:
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/learning/introduction-to-the-lilypond-file-structure


Just a few issues with the example code:
1) If music should occur at the same time it must be grouped with << >>
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/learning/multiple-staves

2) If settings apply to one voice or line of music it must be grouped
with { }
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/learning/music-expressions-explained

3) I removed the \skip because I don't understand why you need it

4) I removed the \ragged-bottom and \ragged-last-bottom because this
makes your 4 bars spread out over a whole page.


My best guess is the following code. Is that what you intended?

Cheers,
Joram


\version "2.10.10"

\header {
  dedication = ""
  title = "New Arrangement"
  subtitle = ""
  poet = ""
  composer = ""
  copyright = ""
  date = "2013"
}

GlobalMeter = \time 4/4
GlobalKeys = \key c \major
Chords = \chords {
  c8 \skip 4. \skip 2
  f8 \skip 4. \skip 2
  g8 \skip 4. \skip 2
  c8 \skip 4. \skip 2
}

% bbb (GM.Acoustic Grand)
voiceInstBOne = {
  e'1 |
  a'1 |
  b1 |
  e'1
}

\paper {
  #(set-paper-size "a4")
  head-separation = 1\cm
  page-top-space = 0\cm
  left-margin = 16\mm
  line-width = 178\mm
  between-system-padding = #0.1
  between-system-space = #0.1

}

\score {
  <<
\Chords
\context Staff = "sysInstBOne" <<
  {
\tempo 4=120
\clef treble
\GlobalMeter
\GlobalKeys
\set Staff.instrumentName = "bbb "
\new Voice = "voiceInstBOneLocal" \voiceInstBOne
  }
>>
  >>
  \layout { }
}

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Re: New user - I have an lone treble clef/extra staff

[Robert Schmaus]

Hi Jon? (or ist it p?),

> I'm a beginner so ANY help is greatly appreciated - thx - p

the best advice anyone could give you in this case is to work through
that:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/learning/index.html

You won't have a lot of fun if you're trying to use lilypond without
knowing much (or anything, if I understood you right ..) about it ...
and it doesn't take very long to understand the basics covered in there.
AND you'll be able to write much better ly files - that sequencer source
code looks kinda horrible to me ...

Best,
Robert

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Re: New user - I have an lone treble clef/extra staff

[bobr...@centrum.is]

- Original Message -
From: "jon sea" 
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:42:37 PM
Subject: New user - I have an lone treble clef/extra staff



Hi I'm a new user trying to clean up an lilypond export from a sequencer and I 
cant figure out how to remove this extra staff - 

\version "2.10.10" 

\header { 

dedication = "" 

title = "New Arrangement" 

subtitle = "" 

poet = "" 

composer = "" 

copyright = "" 

date = "2013" 

} 

GlobalMeter = \time 4/4 



GlobalKeys = \key c \major 





Chords = \chords { 



c8 \skip 4. \skip 2 

f8 \skip 4. \skip 2 

g8 \skip 4. \skip 2 

c8 \skip 4. \skip 2 

} 





% bbb (GM.Acoustic Grand) 



voiceInstBOne = { 

e'1 | 

a'1 | 

b1 | 

e'1 

} 



\paper { 

#(set-paper-size "a4") 

head-separation = 1\cm 

page-top-space = 0\cm 

left-margin = 16\mm 

line-width = 178\mm 

between-system-padding = #0.1 

between-system-space = #0.1 

ragged-last-bottom = ##f 

ragged-bottom = ##f 



} 



\score { 

<< 

\tempo 4=120 

\context Staff = "sysInstBOne" << 

\clef treble 

\GlobalMeter 

\GlobalKeys 

\set Staff.instrumentName = "bbb " 

\tempo 4=120 

\skip 1*4 % keep staff alive 

\new Voice = "voiceInstBOneLocal" \voiceInstBOne 

\Chords 



>> 



>> 

\layout { } 

} 



I'm a beginner so ANY help is greatly appreciated - thx - p

Jon,


Change:


\tempo 4=120 

\context Staff = "sysInstBOne" << 


To:

\context Staff = "sysInstBOne" << 

\tempo 4=120


This will put your tempo marking inside the Staff context.  By placing it 
before \context Staff you force LilyPond to instantiate another Staff context.

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New user - I have an lone treble clef/extra staff

[jon sea]

Hi I'm a new user trying to clean up an lilypond export from a sequencer and I 
cant figure out how to remove this extra staff - 
 
\version "2.10.10"
\header {
dedication = ""
title = "New Arrangement"
subtitle = ""
poet = ""
composer = ""
copyright = ""
date = "2013"
}
GlobalMeter = \time 4/4

GlobalKeys = \key c \major


Chords = \chords { 

c8 \skip 4. \skip 2 
f8 \skip 4. \skip 2 
g8 \skip 4. \skip 2 
c8 \skip 4. \skip 2 
}


% bbb (GM.Acoustic Grand)

voiceInstBOne = {
e'1 |
a'1 |
b1 |
e'1
}

\paper {
#(set-paper-size "a4")
head-separation = 1\cm
page-top-space = 0\cm
left-margin = 16\mm
line-width = 178\mm
between-system-padding = #0.1
between-system-space = #0.1
ragged-last-bottom = ##f
ragged-bottom = ##f

}

\score {
<<
\tempo 4=120
\context Staff = "sysInstBOne" <<
\clef treble
\GlobalMeter
\GlobalKeys
\set Staff.instrumentName = "bbb "
\tempo 4=120
\skip 1*4 % keep staff alive
\new Voice = "voiceInstBOneLocal" \voiceInstBOne
\Chords

>>

>>
\layout { }
}

 
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Re: change staff for component notes of chord

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Xavier Scheuer" 

To: "Jeffrey Trevino" 
Cc: "lilypond-user" 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: change staff for component notes of chord


On 25 January 2013 08:17, Jeffrey Trevino  
wrote:

hi there,

I like the "change staff" interface for switching staffs and beaming 
across

them. Is there a similar interface available for chords, which allows the
user to specify that certain higher or lower notes should be drawn on a
different staff? I would find this much easier to use than the 
"cross-staff

stem" interface described in the keyboard writing section.


Not yet, but there is an open feature request about this.
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2270

Cheers,
Xavier


Just checking that you're aware that cross-staff stems were improved in late 
2.15.  If you use 2.16 or 2.17 I think they work fairly well:


http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/common-notation-for-keyboards#cross_002dstaff-stems

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Re: change staff for component notes of chord

[Xavier Scheuer]

On 25 January 2013 08:17, Jeffrey Trevino  wrote:
> hi there,
>
> I like the "change staff" interface for switching staffs and beaming across
> them. Is there a similar interface available for chords, which allows the
> user to specify that certain higher or lower notes should be drawn on a
> different staff? I would find this much easier to use than the "cross-staff
> stem" interface described in the keyboard writing section.

Not yet, but there is an open feature request about this.
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2270

Cheers,
Xavier

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Re: Scripts and Slurs

[David Kastrup]

Noeck  writes:

> Hi,
>
> if I change the outside-staff-priority of a Script, the Slur is still
> placed as if the Scripts would be inside, even if there is more space
> now. Is that on purpose?
> (I know that the staccato is not placed outside the slurs. But if I
> wanted to, shouldn't it be printed nicely anyways?)
>
> {
>   c'-.( d'-.) % good looking default
>   \override Script #'outside-staff-priority = #1000
>   c'-.( d'-.) % not so nice
>   c'( d') % this shows the slur could be placed closer
> }
>
> Could the slur be placed before the script (not only in order but also
> when determining the best slur) in case it as a higher priority?

Try the following

  \override Script #'avoid-slur = #'outside

and there will be no place left inside of the slur.  I am not claiming
that this behavior might not be worse than necessary, but at least with
that sort of additional override, LilyPond does not get confused.

-- 
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Scripts and Slurs

[Noeck]

Hi,

if I change the outside-staff-priority of a Script, the Slur is still
placed as if the Scripts would be inside, even if there is more space
now. Is that on purpose?
(I know that the staccato is not placed outside the slurs. But if I
wanted to, shouldn't it be printed nicely anyways?)

{
  c'-.( d'-.) % good looking default
  \override Script #'outside-staff-priority = #1000
  c'-.( d'-.) % not so nice
  c'( d') % this shows the slur could be placed closer
}

Could the slur be placed before the script (not only in order but also
when determining the best slur) in case it as a higher priority?

Joram

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Re: ledger line crash with very high notes in first chord of system

[Phil Holmes]

I presume you don't like the fact that the accidentals are within the ledger 
lines, rather like they are in staff lines.  What would you want?

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Phil Holmes


  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeffrey Trevino 
  To: lilypond-user 
  Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 4:47 AM
  Subject: ledger line crash with very high notes in first chord of system


  I think I've found a default behavior that could use a little work:

  When I make a chord that contains the interval of a major second or smaller, 
up high enough to warrant ledger lines, the ledger lines are lengthened, to 
accommodate the increased horizontal space needed to write this tiny interval 
legibly; however, if a third note requires an accidental, the accidental of 
this third note sometimes collides with these lengthened ledger lines. I've 
attached photos of some examples.

  fyi,
  Jeff

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