Re: Don't engrave measure symbol, actually now Browser differences

2013-02-20 Thread David Kastrup
Thomas Morley  writes:

> I wrote too early.
> Now Firefox saves the file and _then_ opens it with gedit.
>
> Not what I wanted.

I have a hard time imagining how to open the text editor on a file that
has not been saved.

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Re: Don't engrave measure symbol, actually now Browser differences

2013-02-20 Thread Thomas Morley
2013/2/21 Thomas Morley :
> 2013/2/21 Nick Payne :
>> On 21/02/13 11:59, Andrew Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Using Safari or Chrome, clicking lilypond documentation illustrations
>>> displays the lilypond code used to produce them. Using Firefox or Opera,
>>> these browsers offer to save the file.
>>>
>>> The browser behaviour is different regarding how they deal with an anchor
>>> which is an image. It's not really a lilypond matter.
>>>
>>> I have a look into how we can make this cross-browser compliant. The
>>> behaviour where the browser directly shows the code seems to be preferable.
>>
>>
>> It's the same problem the other way around for the Lilypond installer shell
>> scripts. Click on the download link for one of them in Firefox and it
>> defaults to saving the script, which is the wanted behaviour. Click on the
>> same link in Chrome and it defaults to opening the script in the browser
>> window, which is not what is wanted.
>>
>> Nick
>
> To be more precise: I use Firefox on Ubuntu 10.04
> There must have been a change with some of the latest Firefox-updates.
>
> I was used to open clickable images from our documentation with gedit,
> but recently noticed that it didn't work any more.
> Although, I can click on images from
> http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/notation-big-page.html#index
> and Firefox still shows the code.
>
> After some research I managed to get back my old preferences:
>
> In Firefox: Edit->Preferences->Applications I found _two_ entries for 
> Lilypond:
> LilyPond-Notenblatt (text/lilypond-source)
> and
> LilyPond-Notenblatt (text/x-lilypond)
>
> Setting `Action´ for _both_ to `Use gedit` restored the old behaviour.
>
>
> Thanks,
>   Harm

I wrote too early.
Now Firefox saves the file and _then_ opens it with gedit.

Not what I wanted.

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Re: Don't engrave measure symbol, actually now Browser differences

2013-02-20 Thread Thomas Morley
2013/2/21 Nick Payne :
> On 21/02/13 11:59, Andrew Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Using Safari or Chrome, clicking lilypond documentation illustrations
>> displays the lilypond code used to produce them. Using Firefox or Opera,
>> these browsers offer to save the file.
>>
>> The browser behaviour is different regarding how they deal with an anchor
>> which is an image. It's not really a lilypond matter.
>>
>> I have a look into how we can make this cross-browser compliant. The
>> behaviour where the browser directly shows the code seems to be preferable.
>
>
> It's the same problem the other way around for the Lilypond installer shell
> scripts. Click on the download link for one of them in Firefox and it
> defaults to saving the script, which is the wanted behaviour. Click on the
> same link in Chrome and it defaults to opening the script in the browser
> window, which is not what is wanted.
>
> Nick

To be more precise: I use Firefox on Ubuntu 10.04
There must have been a change with some of the latest Firefox-updates.

I was used to open clickable images from our documentation with gedit,
but recently noticed that it didn't work any more.
Although, I can click on images from
http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/notation-big-page.html#index
and Firefox still shows the code.

After some research I managed to get back my old preferences:

In Firefox: Edit->Preferences->Applications I found _two_ entries for Lilypond:
LilyPond-Notenblatt (text/lilypond-source)
and
LilyPond-Notenblatt (text/x-lilypond)

Setting `Action´ for _both_ to `Use gedit` restored the old behaviour.


Thanks,
  Harm

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Re: Don't engrave measure symbol, actually now Browser differences

2013-02-20 Thread Nick Payne

On 21/02/13 11:59, Andrew Bernard wrote:
Using Safari or Chrome, clicking lilypond documentation illustrations 
displays the lilypond code used to produce them. Using Firefox or 
Opera, these browsers offer to save the file.


The browser behaviour is different regarding how they deal with an 
anchor which is an image. It's not really a lilypond matter.


I have a look into how we can make this cross-browser compliant. The 
behaviour where the browser directly shows the code seems to be 
preferable.


It's the same problem the other way around for the Lilypond installer 
shell scripts. Click on the download link for one of them in Firefox and 
it defaults to saving the script, which is the wanted behaviour. Click 
on the same link in Chrome and it defaults to opening the script in the 
browser window, which is not what is wanted.


Nick

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Re: [bug] \acciaccatura breaks a preceding tie in MIDI

2013-02-20 Thread James Harkins
On Feb 20, 2013 10:57 PM, "Jay Anderson"  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:28 AM, James Harkins 
wrote:
> > I'm unsure if this is a known issue, or a new one.
>
> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3091
>
> This probably won't be fixed in 2.16.

That's fine. It isn't critical for me; it was just an odd behavior that
seemed worth reporting.

Thanks!
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Re: Don't engrave measure symbol

2013-02-20 Thread Nick Payne

On 21/02/13 10:25, Thomas Morley wrote:

2013/2/20 Robert Schmaus :

So, if you would like to use a certain example from the
documentation, click on it and check out that code.

BTW, for me this doesn't work no longer with our official documentation.
At least, it doesn't work out of the box.
Though, it works with
http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/notation-big-page.html

Can someone confirm?


Works ok for me with Chrome on Linux. Clicking on any of the musical 
examples loads the ly code for the example.


Nick

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Re: Don't engrave measure symbol, actually now Browser differences

2013-02-20 Thread Andrew Bernard
Using Safari or Chrome, clicking lilypond documentation illustrations 
displays the lilypond code used to produce them. Using Firefox or Opera, 
these browsers offer to save the file.


The browser behaviour is different regarding how they deal with an 
anchor which is an image. It's not really a lilypond matter.


I have a look into how we can make this cross-browser compliant. The 
behaviour where the browser directly shows the code seems to be preferable.


How amusing life would be if we had browsers that were standards compliant.

Andrew


On 21/02/13 10:25 AM, Thomas Morley wrote:

2013/2/20 Robert Schmaus :

So, if you would like to use a certain example from the
documentation, click on it and check out that code.

BTW, for me this doesn't work no longer with our official documentation.
At least, it doesn't work out of the box.
Though, it works with
http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/notation-big-page.html

Can someone confirm?
Did we change something?

-Harm

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Re: Console warning "rhythmic head is not part of a rhythmic column"

2013-02-20 Thread Eluze
Am 19.02.2013 07:46, schrieb Robert Schmaus:

 please always answer to the list, so everybody can follow what's going on!



I know - and I usually do (that's why I've re-sent my answer to the
list right away). I seem to belong to that fraction of list
contributors who struggle with the concept of "clicking 'Reply'
replies to the sender only". I know I'm not alone ...


  for me only nabble acts correctly (or if I answer from a mailer)
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Re: Don't engrave measure symbol

2013-02-20 Thread Eluze
Thomas Morley wrote
> 2013/2/20 Robert Schmaus <

> robert.schmaus@

> >:
>> So, if you would like to use a certain example from the
>> documentation, click on it and check out that code.
> 
> BTW, for me this doesn't work no longer with our official documentation.
> At least, it doesn't work out of the box.
> Though, it works with
> http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/notation-big-page.html
> 
> Can someone confirm?
> Did we change something?

for me it does - I'm not always happy with the choice: save or run…
sometimes it just displays the code in opera (which I'd prefer)

but I'm not sure if this is because of my browser settings or if LilyPond
only proposes these actions

Eluze



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Re: cadenzaOn / Off don't work

2013-02-20 Thread Eluze
David Kastrup wrote
> Eluze <

> eluzew@

> > writes:
>>
>> /beams/ are removed
> 
> Hardly.  Autobeaming is switched off, so you get only beams for manual
> beaming.  But that does not mean that the beams are "removed": rather
> you get the default flags which are also used on isolated notes.

I was addressing the possibility that Sávio Ramos might have confounded
stems and beams (and I didn't want to go into technical details) - if so he
got a hint otherwise he will/can specify what he meant specifically.

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Re: Don't engrave measure symbol

2013-02-20 Thread Thomas Morley
2013/2/20 Robert Schmaus :
> So, if you would like to use a certain example from the
> documentation, click on it and check out that code.

BTW, for me this doesn't work no longer with our official documentation.
At least, it doesn't work out of the box.
Though, it works with
http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/notation-big-page.html

Can someone confirm?
Did we change something?

-Harm

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Re: cadenzaOn / Off don't work

2013-02-20 Thread David Kastrup
Eluze  writes:

> Nathan wrote
>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Sávio Ramos <
>
>> savio.debian@
>
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> The command \cadenzaOn  \cadenzaOff don't remove stem.
>>>
>>>
>> They shouldn't. They only affect timing, not the appearance of notes.
>> 
>> To hide stems, use
>> 
>> \override Stem #'stencil = ##f
>
> /beams/ are removed

Hardly.  Autobeaming is switched off, so you get only beams for manual
beaming.  But that does not mean that the beams are "removed": rather
you get the default flags which are also used on isolated notes.

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Re: cadenzaOn / Off don't work

2013-02-20 Thread Eluze
Nathan wrote
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Sávio Ramos <

> savio.debian@

> > wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> The command \cadenzaOn  \cadenzaOff don't remove stem.
>>
>>
> They shouldn't. They only affect timing, not the appearance of notes.
> 
> To hide stems, use
> 
> \override Stem #'stencil = ##f

/beams/ are removed

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Re: Vertical spacing between verses

2013-02-20 Thread Eluze
Szász Károly-Zsolt wrote
> Hello, 
> please help me adjust the space between the verses. My problem is that
> there's a well seeing difference between the white space after the 1st and
> the white space after the 2nd verse. How can I change the distance between
> the verses equally, no matter what kind of letters I use?
> Here's the code I use:
> 
>  \override VerticalAxisGroup #'nonstaff-nonstaff-spacing =
>   #'((basic-distance . 0.6 )
>   (minimum-distance . 0.6 )
>   (padding . 0.6 )
>   (stretchability . 0))

what's wrong with using the default settings of LilyPond? (also for the
other override of VerticalAxisGroup)

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Re: cadenzaOn / Off don't work

2013-02-20 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Sávio Ramos  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The command \cadenzaOn  \cadenzaOff don't remove stem.
>
>
They shouldn't. They only affect timing, not the appearance of notes.

To hide stems, use

\override Stem #'stencil = ##f

Regards,
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Re: Don't engrave measure symbol

2013-02-20 Thread Robert Schmaus

I want to do a staff without the measure symbol like above:

http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/source/Documentation/essay/building-software#music-representation

I am using 2.14 lilypond.



Hi Savio,

those examples in the documentation can be clicked - they will then 
reveal their source code. So, if you would like to use a certain example 
from the documentation, click on it and check out that code. Best way to 
learn, too!


Just make sure that you are either using a documentation that either 
belongs to your Lilypond version or (even better) upgrade to the latest 
stable version.


Best,
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Re: cadenzaOn / Off don't work

2013-02-20 Thread David Kastrup
Sávio Ramos  writes:

> Hello,
>
> The command \cadenzaOn  \cadenzaOff don't remove stem.

Is there a reason they should?

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cadenzaOn / Off don't work

2013-02-20 Thread Sávio Ramos
Hello,

The command \cadenzaOn  \cadenzaOff don't remove stem.


\version "2.14.2"

\header{
title = "Voz Tenor"
}
\score{
\new Staff \with { \remove "Time_signature_engraver" }
{
\time 4/4
\key c \major
\clef bass

\cadenzaOn
bes,4 d1  \glissando  g' c''4
\cadenzaOff

}
\layout{ \context {\Score}}
\midi{}
}


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Don't engrave measure symbol

2013-02-20 Thread Sávio Ramos
Hello,

I want to do a staff without the measure symbol like above:

http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/source/Documentation/essay/building-software#music-representation

I am using 2.14 lilypond.

Thanks.
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Re: [bug] \acciaccatura breaks a preceding tie in MIDI

2013-02-20 Thread Jay Anderson
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:28 AM, James Harkins  wrote:
> I'm unsure if this is a known issue, or a new one.

http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3091

This probably won't be fixed in 2.16.

-Jay

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Re: \slashedGrace forces a downward slur?

2013-02-20 Thread David Kastrup
James Harkins  writes:

> Another question: Is it possible to begin a slur on a slashedGrace,
> and change the slur's direction to be upward?
>
> \slurUp has no effect. The printed score here looks funny, since most
> of the notes under the slur have downward stems -- so I'd expect the
> slur to be above.
>
> \version "2.16.1"
> \relative c'' { \slurUp d4. \slashedGrace e16 ( d8 b4 d4 ) }

\version "2.16.1"
\relative c'' { d4. \slashedGrace e16^( d8 b4 d4 ) }

works fine here.

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\slashedGrace forces a downward slur?

2013-02-20 Thread James Harkins
Another question: Is it possible to begin a slur on a slashedGrace,
and change the slur's direction to be upward?

\slurUp has no effect. The printed score here looks funny, since most
of the notes under the slur have downward stems -- so I'd expect the
slur to be above.

\version "2.16.1"
\relative c'' { \slurUp d4. \slashedGrace e16 ( d8 b4 d4 ) }

Hm, I wonder what that would do to a multi-voice example. Probably ugly.

hjh


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[bug] \acciaccatura breaks a preceding tie in MIDI

2013-02-20 Thread James Harkins
I'm unsure if this is a known issue, or a new one.

If an \acciaccatura immediately follows a tie, the printed score looks
right, but MIDI renders without the tie.

\version "2.16.1"
\score {
  \new Staff \relative c'' { g4 g4 ~ g8 \acciaccatura b16 a8 g4 }
  \layout {}
  \midi {}
}

Examining the MIDI using SuperCollider (+ wslib extensions):

m = SimpleMIDIFile.read("/home/dlm/Documents/ly/tests/13-02-20-bugs.midi");

// .select removes note-off events, i.e., notes with velocity == 0
m.noteOnEvents(0, 1).select({ |ev| ev.last > 0 }).do(_.postln); ""

[ 1, 0, noteOn, 0, 67, 90 ]
[ 1, 384, noteOn, 0, 67, 90 ]
[ 1, 768, noteOn, 0, 67, 90 ]<<-- this is the ~g8 -- it shouldn't be here
[ 1, 938, noteOn, 0, 71, 90 ]
[ 1, 960, noteOn, 0, 69, 90 ]
[ 1, 1152, noteOn, 0, 67, 90 ]

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Re: Problems with download.linuxaudio.org?

2013-02-20 Thread james

On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:22 AM, David Kastrup wrote:

> James Harkins  writes:
> 
>> What I did to get to this point:
>> 
>> 1. Cloned the repository. Checked out the tag release/2.16.2-1, and
>> then "git checkout -b hjh2.16.2" (because I don't like staying
>> somewhere earlier than the head of a branch for too long).
>> 
>> 2. sudo apt-get build-dep lilypond
>> 
>> 3. ./autogen.sh --noconfigure
>> 
>> 4. mkdir build/ && cd build/
>> 
>> 5. mkdir ../myinstall
>> 
>> 6. ../configure --prefix=$HOME/share/lilypond/myinstall
> 
> You are missing "make" here, and while I have not checked, I'd be
> somewhat surprised if the --prefix option worked reliably: I don't think
> people test it much.

--prefix works perfectily fine for me on OSX

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Re: Fwd: Problems with download.linuxaudio.org?

2013-02-20 Thread James Harkins
David Kastrup  gnu.org> writes:

> First make, then make install.

Quite right -- "make install" did actually compile some of it, though, so I 
thought it was OK. I'll remember that for next time.

"make" on its own did complete successfully, thanks.

> > 6. ../configure --prefix=$HOME/share/lilypond/myinstall
> 
> You are missing "make" here, and while I have not checked, I'd be
> somewhat surprised if the --prefix option worked reliably: I don't think
> people test it much.

The prefix seems promising so far, but I'll be alert for problems.

Thanks!
hjh


$ cd ../myinstall/bin
$ ls
abc2ly  etf2lylilypond   lilypond-invoke-editor  midi2ly
convert-ly  lilymidi  lilypond-book  lilysongmusicxml2ly

$ ./lilypond --version
GNU LilyPond 2.16.1

Copyright (c) 1996--2012 by
  Han-Wen Nienhuys 
  Jan Nieuwenhuizen 
  and others.

This program is free software.  It is covered by the GNU General Public
License and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it
under certain conditions.  Invoke as `lilypond --warranty' for more
information.



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Re: Problems with download.linuxaudio.org?

2013-02-20 Thread Colin Hall

James Harkins writes:

> I just tried to download this:
>
> http://download.linuxaudio.org/lilypond/binaries/linux-64/lilypond-2.16.2-1.linux-64.sh
>
> But download.linuxaudio.org is almost totally unresponsive. After a
> few minutes of watching the estimated time remaining climb from 18
> hours to *4 days*, I gave up.

The linuxaudio site went down on 5th January this year, reported by
Francesco here:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2013-01/msg00036.html

It was back up again a few hours later.

Cheers,
Colin.

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Re: 19th-cent. accidental notation

2013-02-20 Thread Urs Liska

Am 20.02.2013 11:22, schrieb Nick Payne:

On 20/02/13 20:33, Urs Liska wrote:

[...]
There actually _are_ such ideas and attempts.
At least the Reger Edition has already started publishing digital 
editions. And there is more research going on.
I also once read about a huge project (sponsored by HP I think) to 
make all works of Mozart digitally available for anybody (I think it 
is targeted at ca. 2020 ...), but I don't know if they are thinking 
in such categories or if they merely want to provide scans of 
existing editions).


The Mozart works are here:

http://dme.mozarteum.at/DME/main/index.php?l=

Ah, thanks for this reminder. English version is 
http://dme.mozarteum.at/DME/main/index.php?l=2

Looks like they are going to do exactly what we were talking about here.






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Changing the SpanBar for a single staff

2013-02-20 Thread Kevin Barry

Dear LilyPond users,

I am trying to add an analysis staff above a PianoStaff group to which 
its bar lines are connected with a dotted SpanBar.  Since the SpanBar 
appears to only live in a context for staffgroups (PianoStaff, 
ChoirStaff etc) there appears to be no way to add one to a lone staff. 
My best attempt is to include the PianoStaff inside a StaffGroup and set 
different SpanBars for each one, but the result is that the PianoStaff 
prints both SpanBars on top of eachother (the code for this is at the 
bottom of the email).  My various attempts to alter the SpanBar for a 
single staff have no effect.  I would appreciate any help!


\version "2.16.1"

\score {
  \new StaffGroup \with {
\remove "System_start_delimiter_engraver"
\override SpanBar #'glyph-name = #":"
  }
  <<
\new Staff { c'1 }
\new PianoStaff \with {
  \override SpanBar #'glyph-name = #"|" }
<<
  \new Staff { c' }
  \new Staff { c' }
>>
  >>
}

Regards,
Kevin Barry

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Vertical spacing between verses

2013-02-20 Thread szaszkaroly
Hello, 
please help me adjust the space between the verses. My problem is that
there's a well seeing difference between the white space after the 1st and
the white space after the 2nd verse. How can I change the distance between
the verses equally, no matter what kind of letters I use?
Here's the code I use:

 \override VerticalAxisGroup #'nonstaff-nonstaff-spacing =
#'((basic-distance . 0.6 )
(minimum-distance . 0.6 )
(padding . 0.6 )
(stretchability . 0))

And here is the content of the *.ly file:

\version "2.12.3"

strofaI= \lyricmode {
\set stanza = "1."  
El -- ső vers -- szak el -- ső vers -- szak el -- ső vers -- szak el -- ső
vers -- szak el -- ső vers -- szak el -- ső vers -- szakel -- ső vers --
szak
}
 
strofaII= \lyricmode {
\set stanza = "2."  
Má -- so -- dik, itt már jé és gé is van,  eb -- ben már jé és gé is van, 
eb -- ben már jé és gé is van, eb -- ben már jé és gé is van,
}

strofaIII= \lyricmode {
\set stanza = "3."
Itt a hi -- ba, mert Ő is, Ő is, Ő is van benne,  Ő is, Ő is, Ő is van
benne,  Ő is, Ő is, Ő is van benne, Ő is, Ő is, Ő is van benne,
}

strofaIV= \lyricmode {
\set stanza = "4."
A vers -- sza -- kok köz -- ti tá -- vol -- ság így már nem egy -- for -- ma
így már nem egy -- for -- ma így már nem egy -- for -- ma
}
 
partitura = \new ChoirStaff  {
<< \new Staff { \numericTimeSignature \set Staff.midiInstrument="choir aahs"
\clef treble 
\time 3/4
\key es \major
<< \context Voice = "Soprana" \transpose d es { \relative c' { \voiceOne
\override Script #'padding = #0.5
\override Score.BarNumber #'break-visibility = #all-invisible
d4
fis e d( a') g fis4. e8 fis[ g] fis4 e a4\rest 
e4 a cis \break
d4. b8 cis[ a] e4( cis') b a2 a4\rest d,4 fis e d( a') g \break 
  
\bar "|."
} }
\context Voice = "Alto" \transpose d es { \relative c' { \voiceTwo 
 d  d cis   d2  e4 d4.   cis8  d[  e] d4 cis s4 cis e e
d4.  e8  e[  e] cis4( e) d cis2 s4   d  d cis   d2  e4 
} }
>>
}
\context Lyrics = "lmelodySATLI" { c }
\override VerticalAxisGroup 
#'nonstaff-relatedstaff-spacing = 
#'((basic-distance . 2 )
(minimum-distance . 1 )
(padding . 1 )
(stretchability . 8 ))
\context Lyrics = "lmelodySATLII" { d }
\context Lyrics = "lmelodySATLIII" { e }
\context Lyrics = "lmelodySATLIV" { f }

\new Staff { \set Staff.midiInstrument="choir aahs" \numericTimeSignature
\clef bass
\key es \major
<< \context Voice = "Tenor" \transpose d es { \relative c { \voiceOne  
fis4 a g fis2 a4  a4.  a8   a[  b]  a4  a c,4\rest a'4 a a
   fis8[( e)] fis([ gis)]   a8  a a2 gis4 e2 c4\rest  fis4 a g 
fis2 a4  
} }
\context Voice = "Bass" \transpose d es { \relative c { \voiceTwo
\override Script #'padding = #0.5
d4 d a d2 cis4 d8[( e)] fis([ g]) fis[ e] a4 a, s4 a cis a
b4. e8 a,[ cis] e2 e4 a,2 s4 d4 d a d2 cis4  


} } >>  
} 
>>
}
\score { << \partitura
\context Lyrics = "lmelodySATLI" \lyricmode  { \lyricsto 
"Soprana"
\strofaI }
\context Lyrics = "lmelodySATLII" \lyricmode  { \lyricsto 
"Soprana"
\strofaII }
\context Lyrics = "lmelodySATLIII" \lyricmode  { \lyricsto 
"Soprana"
\strofaIII }
\context Lyrics = "lmelodySATLIV" \lyricmode  { \lyricsto
"Soprana" \strofaIV }
>>
\midi { }
\layout  { indent = 0\mm
\context { \Lyrics \override VerticalAxisGroup 
#'nonstaff-nonstaff-spacing
=
#'((basic-distance . 0.6 )
(minimum-distance . 0.6 )
(padding . 0.6 )
(stretchability . 0))
\override LyricSpace #'minimum-distance = #0.5 } }
\header {

}
}

\paper { }

 



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Re: 19th-cent. accidental notation

2013-02-20 Thread Nick Payne

On 20/02/13 20:33, Urs Liska wrote:

[...]
There actually _are_ such ideas and attempts.
At least the Reger Edition has already started publishing digital 
editions. And there is more research going on.
I also once read about a huge project (sponsored by HP I think) to 
make all works of Mozart digitally available for anybody (I think it 
is targeted at ca. 2020 ...), but I don't know if they are thinking in 
such categories or if they merely want to provide scans of existing 
editions).


The Mozart works are here:

http://dme.mozarteum.at/DME/main/index.php?l=




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Re: 19th-cent. accidental notation

2013-02-20 Thread Urs Liska

Am 19.02.2013 18:58, schrieb Luca Rossetto Casel:

Il 19/02/2013 15:13, Urs Liska ha scritto:


But OTOH it is impossible to make a perfect edition. [...]


Again, in cases of similar complexity I find quite necessary to 
acclude a critical report to the score.
Yes, but it really isn't possible to make it perfect in the sense that 
it suits every possible use case.
First: There are nearly always aspects in the material that are just one 
step more detailed than you would want to deal with. Just one example: 
It is often important to determine the order of writing in the 
manuscript, especially when it comes to corrections (e.g. to state that 
a changed pitch is just an immediately corrected typo and not a change 
applied later (which could indicate that it's a change rather than a 
fix)). You usually do this by noticing different used inks/pencils or 
sometimes thanks to different character of the handwriting (e.g. 
hasty/accurate).
You just _can't_ document everything that leads to your conclusion in 
each and every case.


Second: If you try very hard to document everything you will get an 
edition that is so complex that the information is actually buried 
within an intransparent bunch of comments. The Schoenberg Edtion for 
example tries to be as precise and exhaustive as possible in its 
critical reports, but it really isn't nice to work with them ...
I find the approach of the Schubert Edition quite useful (in general). 
They have a foreword in each volume. There you can find general 
information on the works and also comments on the situation of the 
sources, if they are of some general interest. At the end of each volume 
(or in a 'b' volume) there is a section 'sources and versions 
(Lesarten)' that states in detail which sources have been used and gives 
information on editorial decisions - but only those that the editors 
thought to be of interest for the average user. Finally there is the 
Critical Report which should document _everything_ short of found 
fingerprints on the manuscripts ;-). The Critical Report originally 
wasn't part of the regular edition that you can buy or subscribe to, but 
by now you can also buy them separately.


Now to the editorial problem (we are talking about): Of course the 
New Edition marks all editor's addition typographically. But a) 
printing staccato dots and accents smaller than normal is a quite 
unnoticeable style. And b) (much more important) the New Edition 
takes the manuscript and the original edition as its main sources. So 
additions by the original engraver are taken as _original material_ 
and thus not marked in the New Edition. While I realized (through the 
study of the manuscript) that the original edition presumably made a 
lot of problematic additions this isn't visible in the New Edition at 
all. I can only hope that this fact is described in the Critical 
Report (which I haven't inspected yet). But as the Critical Report 
isn't actually part of the books and only available in some 
libraries, the information in it is really buried quite far away.


THe approach you describe here is the one I personally chose for my 
edition. By the way, I also managed - I think - to print smaller, but 
distinguable, scripts quite well! I slightly increased their distance 
from the noteheads to give the scripts a clearly, more visible 
appearence; I also adopted a quite large spacing to make all as clear 
as possible, even with a quite small font.

Would you mind sending me a screenshot of an example?
Regarding the problem of the Critica Report, I can see it's somehow 
not immediately visible - or even note immediately reachable, as you 
point out. But I think it's anyway the better compromise... in a 
printed score. Providing the edition in a digital format, as an 
interactive pdf (or other), it would be possible display the variants 
of all the adopted sources on our score, making every change visible.
It's becoming a common practice in literarature studies, why not apply 
to music philology?

As an example, see this project related to Metastasio's works:
http://www.progettometastasio.it/pietrometastasio/

There actually _are_ such ideas and attempts.
At least the Reger Edition has already started publishing digital 
editions. And there is more research going on.
I also once read about a huge project (sponsored by HP I think) to make 
all works of Mozart digitally available for anybody (I think it is 
targeted at ca. 2020 ...), but I don't know if they are thinking in such 
categories or if they merely want to provide scans of existing editions).




[...] While I'm quite happy with the solutions and know that we don't 
change the musical text, I can't know if the (originally used) 
reminder accidentals might become meaningful to someone who later 
studies the edition. On the other hand we decided to mark the 
accidentals that we identified as musically wrong by parentheses. 
(BTW any idea how one could highlight the _emendation_ of an 
accidental (or any 

Re: Fwd: Problems with download.linuxaudio.org?

2013-02-20 Thread David Kastrup
James Harkins  writes:

> What I did to get to this point:
>
> 1. Cloned the repository. Checked out the tag release/2.16.2-1, and
> then "git checkout -b hjh2.16.2" (because I don't like staying
> somewhere earlier than the head of a branch for too long).
>
> 2. sudo apt-get build-dep lilypond
>
> 3. ./autogen.sh --noconfigure
>
> 4. mkdir build/ && cd build/
>
> 5. mkdir ../myinstall
>
> 6. ../configure --prefix=$HOME/share/lilypond/myinstall

You are missing "make" here, and while I have not checked, I'd be
somewhat surprised if the --prefix option worked reliably: I don't think
people test it much.

> 7. make install

First make, then make install.

-- 
David Kastrup


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