Re: Re:getting musical examples to an exact textwidth with a style file

[Kevin Patrick Barry]

>
> **
> If you put the examples inside a \book block, you can specify system
> spacing with normal lilypond commands, and the images are kept together on
> the page.
>

I tried that and ended up with a full page example instead of a cropped
system.  Does using \book mean I have to manually set the page size to the
size of the example?

For example, the following fairly minimal example compiled to a pdf of 3
pages, even though it is only a single note.  I can add a \paper block but
it's not immediately obvious how to crop the whole example.

\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\begin{lilypond}
\book {
  \score {
\new Staff {
  \relative f { c'1 }
}
  }
}
\end{lilypond}
\end{document}
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Re: Maybe bug? Lyrics on a tied note at end of system

[Trevor Daniels]

David Rogers wrote Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:14 PM


> James Harkins  writes:
> 
>> I ran into the attached spacing problem while typesetting a lead
>> sheet. I can't make a minimal example right this second; will try in
>> the next couple of days.
>>
>> When a tied note has a lyric syllable, LP (2.16.1) left aligns the
>> syllable to the note, on the assumption that tied-to note column will
>> occupy horizontal space and give the syllable space to extend to the
>> right of the note under which it appears. Makes sense -- that's a good
>> refinement.
>>
>> However, the same thing happens at the end of a system, forcing the
>> note column far to the left of where I would expect it to appear.
>>
>> I searched the bug tracker but didn't see anything relevant.
> 
> 
> I may be a philistine, but to me it looks ideal the way it is in the jpg
> file. What improvement do you mean to make?

Me too.  As a singer it looks exactly what I would expect.  That's the
way all vocal music is laid out - with syllables left-aligned on tied
and slurred notes, wherever they appear.

Trevor
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Re: Maybe bug? Lyrics on a tied note at end of system

[Eluze]

James Harkins-2 wrote
> Eluze 
> 
>  gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> 
>> "By default, lyrics syllables that start a melisma are left aligned on
>> their
>> note. The alignment can be altered using the lyricMelismaAlignment
>> property."
> 
> In other words, if you want the left-alignment in the middle of a system, 
> where it makes sense, but you don't want this at the ends of systems, then
> you 
> have to do a lot of overrides, 

well - that's actually 1 override, and the layout is not going to change
much if you're changing left/right/center-aligning, the length of the final
note of a system being calculated using the duration of the last note and
the length of the lyric text …

> I'd still call it a bug. Sure, the feature is working as designed, but the 
> design made a mistake by not considering system breaks.

that's your opinion - maybe it's as Phil stated in his answer: singers
expect the lyric text to start with the note and do not follow other/foreign
aesthetic styles

Eluze



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Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?

[Trevor Daniels]

and...@andis59.se wrote Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:28 PM

> One of the "problems" with Vista is the UAC and you need to have 
> sufficient rights to write and create files and directories under 
> \Program Files.
> 
> Have you tried to run Lilypond as Administrator?

I don't think this should be necessary.  LilyPond builds the font
cache under C:\users\.. under Vista.  However, I remember there
being some difficulty with the transition between, I think, 2.12 and
2.14 due to a change in the way the font cache was built and named.
It is worth finding the LilyPond font caches under your home
directory and deleting (or safer, renaming) them.  LilyPond will rebuild
them again if it finds they are missing.  At least then you'll be starting
from a clean base.  On my system the fonts are to be found in

C:\users\Trevor\.fontconfig (I think this was the old 2.12 one)
C :\users\Trevor\.lilypond-fonts.cache-2 (these are the current ones)

Note the leading dot in the filename, so you have to set Windows
Explorer to display hidden files to see them.

Trevor
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Re: Maybe bug? Lyrics on a tied note at end of system

[David Rogers]

James Harkins  writes:

> I ran into the attached spacing problem while typesetting a lead
> sheet. I can't make a minimal example right this second; will try in
> the next couple of days.
>
> When a tied note has a lyric syllable, LP (2.16.1) left aligns the
> syllable to the note, on the assumption that tied-to note column will
> occupy horizontal space and give the syllable space to extend to the
> right of the note under which it appears. Makes sense -- that's a good
> refinement.
>
> However, the same thing happens at the end of a system, forcing the
> note column far to the left of where I would expect it to appear.
>
> I searched the bug tracker but didn't see anything relevant.


I may be a philistine, but to me it looks ideal the way it is in the jpg
file. What improvement do you mean to make?

-- 
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Re: Maybe bug? Lyrics on a tied note at end of system

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "James Harkins" < jamshar...@gmail.com>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Maybe bug? Lyrics on a tied note at end of system



Eluze  gmail.com> writes:


>
> However, the same thing happens at the end of a system, forcing the
> note
> column far to the left of where I would expect it to appear.

see
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/snippets-big-page#text-aligning-

syllables-with-melisma


"By default, lyrics syllables that start a melisma are left aligned on
their
note. The alignment can be altered using the lyricMelismaAlignment
property."


In other words, if you want the left-alignment in the middle of a system,
where it makes sense, but you don't want this at the ends of systems, then
you
have to do a lot of overrides, but only for notes at system ends, and then
hope that Lilypond doesn't change the system breaks on you. That sounds
like
the kind of manual intervention you'd have to do in Finale, which we boast
shouldn't be necessary in Lilypond.

I'd still call it a bug. Sure, the feature is working as designed, but the
design made a mistake by not considering system breaks.

hjh


I strongly believe LilyPond sets this correctly.  Left alignment is correct,
and therefore the note spacing will vary.  Singers expect this.

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Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?

[and...@andis59.se]

>Initializing FontConfig...
>Adding font directory:
>C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/share/lilypond/current/fonts/otf
>Building font database...^C

Maybe a stupid question but...

Has the directory above been created?

One of the "problems" with Vista is the UAC and you need to have 
sufficient rights to write and create files and directories under 
\Program Files.


Have you tried to run Lilypond as Administrator?

// Anders


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Re: Maybe bug? Lyrics on a tied note at end of system

[James Harkins]

Eluze  gmail.com> writes:

> > 
> > However, the same thing happens at the end of a system, forcing the note
> > column far to the left of where I would expect it to appear.
> 
> see
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/snippets-big-page#text-aligning-
syllables-with-melisma
> 
> "By default, lyrics syllables that start a melisma are left aligned on their
> note. The alignment can be altered using the lyricMelismaAlignment
> property."

In other words, if you want the left-alignment in the middle of a system, 
where it makes sense, but you don't want this at the ends of systems, then you 
have to do a lot of overrides, but only for notes at system ends, and then 
hope that Lilypond doesn't change the system breaks on you. That sounds like 
the kind of manual intervention you'd have to do in Finale, which we boast 
shouldn't be necessary in Lilypond.

I'd still call it a bug. Sure, the feature is working as designed, but the 
design made a mistake by not considering system breaks.

hjh


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Re:getting musical examples to an exact textwidth with a style file

[Urs Liska]

Kevin Patrick Barry  schrieb:

>>
>> Have you looked at lilypond-book?  That's likely the tool of choice
>> here, and it is not clear from your description that you are using
>it.
>>
>> --
>> David Kastrup
>>
>
>Sorry for the delay in responding.
>
>Yes when I first started the project (a PhD thesis) I was using
>lilypond-book, but I abandoned it for a couple of reasons, the main one
>being that lilypond-book placed systems too close together (it just
>uses a
>\linebreak), and as far as I could tell I had to go messing with macros
>to
>change that (something I know nothing about).  Seeing as lilypond-book
>was
>just creating pdfs and including them as graphics I decided it would be
>simpler if I just did that myself.  It had the beneficial side effects
>of
>meaning that I didn't have to give every file in the project a .lytex
>extension, and reducing the time it takes to have a look at what I'm
>doing
>(lilypond-book seems to ignore the \include command).  If there's an
>easy
>way to get the nice (default) system-system-spacing variables that
>lilypond
>uses into lilypond-book I would consider going back to it.
>
>I have noticed that lilypond-book doesn't suffer from the same
>line-width
>problem that I have; looking at the code of some of its examples maybe
>it
>has something to do with the included lilypond-book-preamble.ly?
>
>Kevin

>From reading this I think you should have a look into the musicexamples manual 
>I referenced earlier in this thread.
I'm not at home so I won't elaborate on it on my mobile phone, but it could be 
it helps you.

Urs
>
>
>
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Re: Re:getting musical examples to an exact textwidth with a style file

[Phil Holmes]

If you put the examples inside a \book block, you can specify system spacing 
with normal lilypond commands, and the images are kept together on the page.

--
Phil Holmes


  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Patrick Barry 
  To: lilypond-user 
  Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:38 PM
  Subject: Re:getting musical examples to an exact textwidth with a style file


Have you looked at lilypond-book?  That's likely the tool of choice
here, and it is not clear from your description that you are using it.

--
David Kastrup



  Sorry for the delay in responding. 



  Yes when I first started the project (a PhD thesis) I was using 
lilypond-book, but I abandoned it for a couple of reasons, the main one being 
that lilypond-book placed systems too close together (it just uses a 
\linebreak), and as far as I could tell I had to go messing with macros to 
change that (something I know nothing about).  Seeing as lilypond-book was just 
creating pdfs and including them as graphics I decided it would be simpler if I 
just did that myself.  It had the beneficial side effects of meaning that I 
didn't have to give every file in the project a .lytex extension, and reducing 
the time it takes to have a look at what I'm doing (lilypond-book seems to 
ignore the \include command).  If there's an easy way to get the nice (default) 
system-system-spacing variables that lilypond uses into lilypond-book I would 
consider going back to it.


  I have noticed that lilypond-book doesn't suffer from the same line-width 
problem that I have; looking at the code of some of its examples maybe it has 
something to do with the included lilypond-book-preamble.ly?


  Kevin



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Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Honore" 

To: 
Cc: "Urs Liska" ; "David Nalesnik" 
; "lilypond-user" 

Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?



On 02/08/2013 18:34, Federico Bruni wrote:


2013/8/2 Robert Honoré mailto:robert.hon...@gmail.com>>

Please find attached lilypond_debug_log.txt and craptastic-1.ly
.


I can compile it on linux using version 2.16.2
I get a warning about encoding of file:

craptastic-1.ly <0>: warning: non-UTF-8 input

composer = "Robert Honor

�"



In fact it's:


$ file craptastic-1.ly 

craptastic-1.ly : ISO-8859 text, with CRLF line
terminators


The other warning is:

warning: cannot find or create new `staff'

[8]


you should write

\new Staff

(instead of \new staff)


Finally, you should insert \global inside themeOne.


Can you compile the attached file?



In short, no.  I reverted my system to the state it was in on 25 July,
2013.  That is, before my first attempt to install the new version of
LilyPond.  The version that was installed at the time was LilyPond
Version 2.12.3.  It still didn't work.

The two files I have attached give a reasonable impression of the story
as it was since I attempted the upgrade.  Basically, whatever problems
LilyPond encounters on my computer does not allow it to get past the
part where it prints out the line, "Building font database."  After
that, the longer I leave LilyPond running, the more unresponsive the
system becomes, until the entire user interface becomes so unresponsive
as to force me to stop everything either with Task Manager if I can get
it to respond, or by restarting the system, or power-cycling the system.

Despite restoring the system from a restore point from 25 July, 2013,
LilyPond (even my previous version) does not work any more, and does not
even seem to attempt to open whatever file you specify on the command
line.  Also, it seems like only LilyPond is affected by whatever problem
exists on my system.  All the other applications I use don't appear to
have any problems I could detect.

Thanks again, Federico.

Yours sincerely,
Robert Honore.


OK - this is what I get part way through my lilypond verbose output:

Initializing FontConfig...
Adding font directory: C:/Program Files 
(x86)/LilyPondV2.16.2/usr/share/lilypond/current/fonts/otf

Building font database...

Processing `craptastic-1.ly'
Parsing...

And it then completes successfully.

Could you repeat telling the sequence of events that got you to this 
situation?  I think you had 2.12.3 working OK, but then tried to upgrade to 
2.16.2 and have never been able to get it to work since?  Could you have 
made any other changes?   (Added fonts, etc.)?


If it was my machine, I think  I'd a) undelete all versions of LilyPond, b) 
get rid of the lilypond entry you have in path, c) delete any lilypond 
directories in C:/Program Files/ and then try a fresh install, and try a run 
from the command line with the current working directory as 
/LilyDir/usr/bin.


I'm also slightly suspicious of where Lily is installed.  By default, a 64 
bit install should place it with the 32 bit files in C:/Program Files (x86)/


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Re:getting musical examples to an exact textwidth with a style file

[Kevin Patrick Barry]

>
> Have you looked at lilypond-book?  That's likely the tool of choice
> here, and it is not clear from your description that you are using it.
>
> --
> David Kastrup
>

Sorry for the delay in responding.

Yes when I first started the project (a PhD thesis) I was using
lilypond-book, but I abandoned it for a couple of reasons, the main one
being that lilypond-book placed systems too close together (it just uses a
\linebreak), and as far as I could tell I had to go messing with macros to
change that (something I know nothing about).  Seeing as lilypond-book was
just creating pdfs and including them as graphics I decided it would be
simpler if I just did that myself.  It had the beneficial side effects of
meaning that I didn't have to give every file in the project a .lytex
extension, and reducing the time it takes to have a look at what I'm doing
(lilypond-book seems to ignore the \include command).  If there's an easy
way to get the nice (default) system-system-spacing variables that lilypond
uses into lilypond-book I would consider going back to it.

I have noticed that lilypond-book doesn't suffer from the same line-width
problem that I have; looking at the code of some of its examples maybe it
has something to do with the included lilypond-book-preamble.ly?

Kevin
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Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?

[Robert Honore]

On 02/08/2013 18:34, Federico Bruni wrote:


2013/8/2 Robert Honoré mailto:robert.hon...@gmail.com>>

Please find attached lilypond_debug_log.txt and craptastic-1.ly
.


I can compile it on linux using version 2.16.2
I get a warning about encoding of file:

craptastic-1.ly <0>: warning: non-UTF-8 input

composer = "Robert Honor

�"



In fact it's:


$ file craptastic-1.ly 

craptastic-1.ly : ISO-8859 text, with CRLF line
terminators


The other warning is:

warning: cannot find or create new `staff'

[8]


you should write

\new Staff

(instead of \new staff)


Finally, you should insert \global inside themeOne.


Can you compile the attached file?



In short, no.  I reverted my system to the state it was in on 25 July, 
2013.  That is, before my first attempt to install the new version of 
LilyPond.  The version that was installed at the time was LilyPond 
Version 2.12.3.  It still didn't work.


The two files I have attached give a reasonable impression of the story 
as it was since I attempted the upgrade.  Basically, whatever problems 
LilyPond encounters on my computer does not allow it to get past the 
part where it prints out the line, "Building font database."  After 
that, the longer I leave LilyPond running, the more unresponsive the 
system becomes, until the entire user interface becomes so unresponsive 
as to force me to stop everything either with Task Manager if I can get 
it to respond, or by restarting the system, or power-cycling the system.


Despite restoring the system from a restore point from 25 July, 2013, 
LilyPond (even my previous version) does not work any more, and does not 
even seem to attempt to open whatever file you specify on the command 
line.  Also, it seems like only LilyPond is affected by whatever problem 
exists on my system.  All the other applications I use don't appear to 
have any problems I could detect.


Thanks again, Federico.

Yours sincerely,
Robert Honore.

C:\Users\robert\Music_Typesetting>lilypond -version
GNU LilyPond 2.12.3

Copyright (c) 1996--2009 by
  Han-Wen Nienhuys 
  Jan Nieuwenhuizen 
  and others.

This program is free software.  It is covered by the GNU General Public
License and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it
under certain conditions.  Invoke as `lilypond --warranty' for more
information.


C:\Users\robert\Music_Typesetting>date
The current date is: 04/08/2013
Enter the new date: (dd-mm-yy)

C:\Users\robert\Music_Typesetting>time
The current time is: 11:50:35.25
Enter the new time:

C:\Users\robert\Music_Typesetting>lilypond --verbose craptastic.ly
GNU LilyPond 2.12.3
warning: Relocation: from PATH=C:\XDS-2.60\bin;C:\Program Files\PC Connectivity
Solution\;C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Program Fil
es\Common Files\Roxio Shared\DLLShared\;C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shar
ed\DLLShared\;C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\9.0\DLLShared\;C:\Windo
ws\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files\GNU\GnuPG\pub;C:\Program Fi
les\LilyPond\usr\bin
argv0=lilypond
PATH=C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin (prepend)
Setting PATH to C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin;C:\XDS-2.60\bin;C:\Program Fil
es\PC Connectivity Solution\;C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\
Wbem;C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\DLLShared\;C:\Program Files\Comm
on Files\Roxio Shared\DLLShared\;C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\9.0\
DLLShared\;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files\GNU\GnuP
G\pub;C:\Program Files\LilyPond\usr\bin
warning: Relocation: compile datadir=, new datadir=C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr
/share/lilypond//current
warning: Relocation: framework_prefix=C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/..
Setting INSTALLER_PREFIX to C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/..
Relocation file: C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/../etc/relocate//fontconfig.r
eloc
Setting FONTCONFIG_FILE to C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/../etc/fonts/fonts.
conf
Setting FONTCONFIG_PATH to C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/../etc/fonts
Relocation file: C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/../etc/relocate//gs.reloc
warning: no such directory: C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/../share/ghostscri
pt/8.70/fonts for GS_FONTPATH
warning: no such directory: C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/../share/gs/fonts
for GS_FONTPATH
GS_LIB=C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/../share/ghostscript/8.70/Resource (pre
pend)
Setting GS_LIB to C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/../share/ghostscript/8.70/Re
source
GS_LIB=C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/../share/ghostscript/8.70/Resource/Init
 (prepend)
Setting GS_LIB to C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/../share/ghostscript/8.70/Re
source/Init;C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/../share/ghostscript/8.70/Resource

Relocation file: C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/../etc/relocate//guile.reloc
GUILE_LOAD_PATH=C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/bin/../share/guile/1.8 (prepend)
Setting 

Re: LilyPond meeting in Waltrop, Germany, 2013-08-16 to 2013-08-20

[David Kastrup]

Urs Liska  writes:

> Hi David,
>
> thank you for the organisation.
> I could and should have written earlier, but unfortunately I can't
> attend this meeting.
> I really would love joining the discussions, and above all have the
> opportunity to meet some of you in person.
> But unfortunately it is within exactly the two weeks this year that
> are reserved exclusively for the family. And of course there's nothing
> to negotiate about that ;-)

Ah, but that's exactly the reason why the meeting is on that weekend:
family entertainment in just a few kilometres of distance:
http://www.kanalfest.de/>.  Bands, comedy, shows (the waterskiing
show is quite nice), and a country fair alongside the canals over the
course of three days.  Leave your loved ones there for a few hours and
visit the conference...

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Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?

[David Kastrup]

Robert Honore  writes:

> On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 18:03:57 -0700 David Rogers wrote:
>
>> Robert: It seems to me that you are working very hard to outsmart
>> Lilypond, doing tricks that "should theoretically work if..." some
>> particular obscure unreliable condition is met.
>
> David Rogers, let me assure you that I most certainly _DO NOT_ intend
> to "outsmart Lilypond" or attempt "doing tricks" of any sort, whether
> theoretical or otherwise.

We are getting into unpleasant territory here.  Please let us recognize
that everybody here is trying his best to be helpful and not vent our
frustration when the assumptions people make about each other are
inaccurate.

It should be obvious by now that your problem is not a frequent one, so
it is important to figure out where your installation happens to differ.
I am not using Windows myself, so my input is likely of marginal
relevance, but I'll give it a try nevertheless.

If the instructions for installing LilyPond from scratch fail in your
case but succeed for others, and if we assume that you followed the
instructions reasonably well (and they are not all that long, I think),
then there are two possibilities:

a) your system differs in its "from scratch" state from that of others
b) you have not managed to uninstall previous LilyPond installations
   such that "from scratch" is reached for the purpose of LilyPond
c) your choices for things you were purportedly free to choose were
   unlucky

Let's start with the last: installation paths containing strange
characters like spaces (though those are probably frequent enough
nowadays that others would have seen the problem already) or
non-alphanumeric characters, or too many dots, or path components like
"nul" or "con" or similar (a path component being everything between
backslashes: Windows has some very strange peculiarities).

Then earlier versions of LilyPond entered themselves to the PATH system
variable but likely did not remove themselves again.  Newer versions
don't touch the PATH variable at all: the installation instructions tell
you how to do it manually.

So check that no old remnants are in the PATH variable, and that the new
LilyPond's binary directory can be found in there, and that no
inaccessible network drives or similar stuff that would be good for long
delays is before LilyPond.

Now you have already stated that LilyPond runs but hangs when trying to
generate a font database.  That would again warrant checking that the
font database and the tools generating it are not on some inaccessible
network drive.  The same holds for the setting of TEMPDIR (or TMPDIR
maybe?) which some utilities use in order to know where they place files
only used temporarily.  If that drive does not exist, bad things may
happen.

Then it may be important that configured directories contain the drive
letter and start with a backslash (are absolute) or the directories will
no longer be found when the drive letter or current directory is being
changed.

That's what I currently can think of regarding possibly bad surprises
with Windows systems.  I have no idea whether one of them will apply
here, but checking for them should not do much harm.

-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?

[Robert Honore]

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 18:03:57 -0700 David Rogers wrote:


Robert: It seems to me that you are working very hard to outsmart
Lilypond, doing tricks that "should theoretically work if..." some
particular obscure unreliable condition is met.


David Rogers, let me assure you that I most certainly _DO NOT_ intend to 
"outsmart Lilypond" or attempt "doing tricks" of any sort, whether 
theoretical or otherwise.




At the risk of sounding dismissive, I'll say: why not just read the
manual and follow the instructions? They work quite well as printed -
there's no need to resort to "extracurricular tricks" to make sure
Lilypond is working.


Which one? do you mean the one found at
http://www.lilypond.org/windows.html ?
There is no other manual of the ones I found so far that specifically 
refers to the proper procedure for installation or upgrading of 
LilyPond.  Given that you so emphatically recommend that I should read 
the manual, I trust you would be so kind as to provide me with a link to 
the one you have in mind.




One bad part about Lilypond is that you do have to follow the
instructions and intentions of the people who programmed it. When they
say "do it this way", there is nearly always the implication
"... because no other way will work", or at least "no other way gives
any guarantee".


So far, Sir, I have been simply trying to get my upgrade of LilyPond to 
work.  Thus far, I have not been able, despite having followed the 
instructions given on the website referred to above, and taking all the 
defaults, to get my installation of LilyPond to work.  Despite having 
used LilyPond on the same machine before, and having previously 
succeeded at getting it to work well enough for me that I 
enthusiastically recommended it to my friends who also produce music, I 
have not been able to get it to work for me this time.  Honestly, Sir, I 
do believe that I _HAD_ followed the instructions for installing 
LilyPond to the letter, with the possible exception that I had initially 
attempted to install over the previous installation of LilyPond.  When I 
did make that error, the installer gave me the appropriate warning 
message that I should uninstall the previously installed LilyPond prior 
to installing the new version, and then aborted the installation.


By the way, Sir, what exactly do you mean by the expression, "One bad 
part about Lilypond"?  My experience with LilyPond over the last seven 
years have been nothing but superlative.  Really, I have not found any 
part of LilyPond that I have been unhappy with.  That is why I recommend 
it to any of my friends who have a need to typeset music.



Another bad part is simply that Lilypond is quite a
large collection of code; unless you wrote a large chunk of that code
yourself, it's safe to assume that you don't know how it ought to work
except by being told - either by those who *have* written large chunks
of it, or by those who use it on a daily basis and have become very
familiar with it.


LilyPond is indeed quit a large collection of code, but let me hasten to 
add that I find it quite an elegant collection of code.  I have even 
found myself perusing the internals documentation, as well as the source 
code sometimes.  But mind you: I am no programmer.  I just enjoy 
learning more about how such a lovely product was put together.




Occasionally things do change - make sure you're reading the manuals and
instructions for the Lilypond version you're really using, and not
simply hoping that outdated methods will still (by chance) work.



Indeed I can only agree with you there, Sir.  I just hope the 
instructions on the web page I referred to above are indeed the correct 
ones for the current version of LilyPond.  If indeed I was using the 
wrong instructions, perhaps someone would be minded to refer me to the 
correct documentation, perhaps by providing a link.




--
David R



Yours sincerely,
Robert Honoré.

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Re: Maybe bug? Lyrics on a tied note at end of system

[Eluze]

James Harkins-2 wrote
> I ran into the attached spacing problem while typesetting a lead sheet. I
> can't make a minimal example right this second; will try in the next
> couple
> of days.
> 
> When a tied note has a lyric syllable, LP (2.16.1) left aligns the
> syllable
> to the note, on the assumption that tied-to note column will occupy
> horizontal space and give the syllable space to extend to the right of the
> note under which it appears. Makes sense -- that's a good refinement.
> 
> However, the same thing happens at the end of a system, forcing the note
> column far to the left of where I would expect it to appear.

see
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/snippets-big-page#text-aligning-syllables-with-melisma

"By default, lyrics syllables that start a melisma are left aligned on their
note. The alignment can be altered using the lyricMelismaAlignment
property."

hth
Eluze



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Re: Maybe bug? Lyrics on a tied note at end of system

[Helge Kruse]

I have reproduced the behavior that James described.
I hope this helps.

Regards
Helge

\version "2.16.0"

sopranoVoice = \relative c' {
  \repeat unfold 24 { r4 }
  r4 f f8 g4 f8 ~ | f1
  \repeat unfold 24 { r4 }
}

verse = \lyricmode {
  in Ter -- re Haute.
}

\score {
  \new Staff { \sopranoVoice }
  \addlyrics { \verse }
}
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Re: feature request: abs-fontsize available for all text grobs

[Jan-Peter Voigt]

Am 02.08.2013 19:15, schrieb David Kastrup:

Kieren MacMillan  writes:


Hi,


Kieren reported inconsistent sizes depending on how the
absolute font size was arrived at.

Particularly when I used e.g., #(set-global-staff-size 25.5)

Do you have a complete example showing the discrepancy?


Hello David, hello Kieren,

if you have an example, I'd like to search, where the problem might be. 
But for now I can't reproduce inconsistent font-sizes even with global 
staff size (gss) 25.5.
What actually differs are spacings within the page. So even with fixed 
page margins, the markup will move around the page when changing the gss.
AFAICS this is reasonable - if the page-margins are "disturbed" by the 
gss, it is another problem.


Cheers, Jan-Peter


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Re: Maybe bug? Lyrics on a tied note at end of system

[Phil Holmes]

I wouldn't want to enter this as a bug without any code illustrating the 
problem.

--
Phil Holmes


  - Original Message - 
  From: James Harkins 
  To: lily-users 
  Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:58 PM
  Subject: Maybe bug? Lyrics on a tied note at end of system


  I ran into the attached spacing problem while typesetting a lead sheet. I 
can't make a minimal example right this second; will try in the next couple of 
days.

  When a tied note has a lyric syllable, LP (2.16.1) left aligns the syllable 
to the note, on the assumption that tied-to note column will occupy horizontal 
space and give the syllable space to extend to the right of the note under 
which it appears. Makes sense -- that's a good refinement.

  However, the same thing happens at the end of a system, forcing the note 
column far to the left of where I would expect it to appear.

  I searched the bug tracker but didn't see anything relevant.

  Thanks,
  hjh



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