Re: On creating title pages and the like
I've tried using the terminal, I cannot get anything to pull up. Truth be told, however, I feel a bit turned around. But your help and support is wonderful, and I will keep hacking at it until I can get something to work. There were examples scrubbed in the mailing list that I was not able to look at (other than this extendable one quoted a couple times). Help on that? Somewhat related: How in the world do I invoke lilypond or lilypond-book in LaTeX, or TexWorks? I hate to sound idiotic, but I don't see *anything* talking about how to use lilypond-book in TeX systems anywhere. The documentation in lilypond.orgonly describes how to use it, but I don't see a full example with inclusions on how to get any TeX system to recognize lilypond, or lilypond-book. I'm a bit frustrated about this; I spent hours looking this up. HELP? What am I missing?!? I hope this is an idiotic claim; I hope someone can be patient with me about this. IC, Josh On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Graham King lilyp...@tremagi.org.ukwrote: ** Josh, you can run convert-ly from the command line (/Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app) using the commands in my previous post to this thread this afternoon. I hope you have better luck than I had! -- Graham On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 11:41 -0500, Joshua Nichols wrote: I have no idea how to do that. I'm using MacOSX, and I'm not familiar with internals. IC, Josh On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 1:54 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Kevin Tough ke...@toughlife.org writes: My lilypond install of 2.16.2 cannot parse the input file. It hangs at fatal error: failed files: SnippetForBookWithTitleAndTOC (4 of 29): error: unknown escaped string: *\markuplines' Did you run convert-ly -ed on the file in order to upgrade the syntax to version 2.16.2 ? -- David Kastrup ___lilypond-user mailing listlilypond-user@gnu.orghttps://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: On creating title pages and the like
Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com writes: Somewhat related: How in the world do I invoke lilypond or lilypond-book in LaTeX, or TexWorks? I don't know TexWorks, and one does not invoke lilypond or lilypond-book in LaTeX. lilypond-book converts a .lytex files into images and a normal LaTeX .tex file which can be compiled using LaTeX as usual. I hate to sound idiotic, but I don't see *anything* talking about how to use lilypond-book in TeX systems anywhere. The documentation in lilypond.orgonly describes how to use it, but I don't see a full example with inclusions on how to get any TeX system to recognize lilypond, or lilypond-book. TeX systems are not required or intended to recognize either lilypond or lilypond-book. I'm a bit frustrated about this; I spent hours looking this up. HELP? What am I missing?!? I hope this is an idiotic claim; I hope someone can be patient with me about this. You did look in URL:http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/usage/lilypond_002dbook ? What particularly was your problem in applying this to your case? -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordNames in Staff context
Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de writes:
Hi Keith,
thanks for your reply!
May I ask what the reasons were for
removing that technique?
Probably, no-one watching the changes knew that this was a technique.
that would be a pity!
LilyPond can't support everything which people consider a technique:
there are many things that work more by chance than anything else.
In this case, it was a _documented_ technique, however:
URL:http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3641. If you
find one of _those_ breaking, pointing out the respective part of the
documentation greatly increases your chance of getting a fix.
my impression from following the lily-mailing list for some time
(years, actually) now is that the vast majority of users is concerned
with classical music only.
Well, I'm playing the accordion.
also, David Kastrup's quote in my OP seems to indicate that putting
chord names right inside the staff is (in his experience) not a
plausible thing to do in music in general. I assume therefore that
not many lilypond-users actually do this and that the reason for
removing this technique was a matter of code hygiene rather than
actual engraving problems. (Please forgive me if I'm wrong - I don't
know about the internals of lilypond.)
The problem was not one of code hygiene. The problem was
URL:http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2990: due to
improvements elsewhere, LilyPond simply crashed on your input while
eating all the memory. The change made it spew error messages and
hobble on instead. Not the best improvement, but better than a hard
crash.
that assumption is backed by (I can't stress this enough) the fact
that the results really were fantastic, and the code for achieving
this result was incredibly elegant,
Not really...
easy, not to mention intuitive, and the compiling process/time (very
short scores, admittedly) hinted at no problems at all. so, there
really was no reason for me to assume that this possibility was a
candidate for removal ...
It's easy to to
\layout {
\context {
\ChordNames
\name ChordNamesInStaff
\alias ChordNames
\remove Axis_group_engraver
}
\context {
\Staff
\accepts ChordNamesInStaff
}
}
and then use \new ChordNamesInStaff whenever you want. That will work
fine and also let you differentiate between the two (\new ChordNames
will automatically go outside of a Staff).
That's reasonably elegant.
What isn't elegant is the kind of stuff that occurs when you don't do
that. It's not as bad as a hard crash, but not pretty either.
thank you also for your solutions. I shall try them out - at first
glance and playing around a bit, I'm not sure if I can use them
without doing a lot of re-coding in my old scores. I guess I'll rather
revert back to 2.16 instead of doing that ...
Well, 2.17.96 will likely have that fix from issue 3641 (in about two
weeks), and 2.18.0 will likely follow suit. Then your old scores should
at least not suffer from this problem.
This VerticalAxisGroup thing was actually on my can't we do this more
sanely before 2.18? list.
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Re: On creating title pages and the like
Am 01.11.2013 16:44, schrieb David Kastrup: Joshua Nicholsjosh.d.nich...@gmail.com writes: Somewhat related: How in the world do I invoke lilypond or lilypond-book in LaTeX, or TexWorks? I don't know TexWorks, and one does not invoke lilypond or lilypond-book in LaTeX. lilypond-book converts a .lytex files into images and a normal LaTeX .tex file which can be compiled using LaTeX as usual. [...] You did look in URL:http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/usage/lilypond_002dbook ? What particularly was your problem in applying this to your case? I just wanted to prepare an example how to use lilypond-book in TeXworks. But I failed to run lilypond.book too. I saved the example from the link you gave to a file demo.lytex. And started the program as show in the documentation: C:\lybookdir *.lytex Volume in drive C has no label. Volume Serial Number is 60D0-9F85 Directory of C:\lybook 01.11.2013 18:27 635 demo.lytex 1 File(s)635 bytes 0 Dir(s) 113.230.843.904 bytes free C:\lybooklilypond-book --output=out --pdf demo.lytex Usage: lilypond-book [OPTION]... FILE Process LilyPond snippets in hybrid HTML, LaTeX, texinfo or DocBook document. Examples: $ lilypond-book --filter=tr '[a-z]' '[A-Z]' BOOK $ lilypond-book -F convert-ly --no-version --from=2.0.0 - BOOK $ lilypond-book --process='lilypond -I include' BOOK Options: [a lot of options skipped] It looks like lilypond-book does not know what I want it to do. Regards Helge ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: On creating title pages and the like
Helge Kruse helge.kruse-nos...@gmx.net writes: C:\lybooklilypond-book --output=out --pdf demo.lytex Usage: lilypond-book [OPTION]... FILE Process LilyPond snippets in hybrid HTML, LaTeX, texinfo or DocBook document. I seem to remember that Windows does something weird with = on the command line. You either need to write lilypond-book --output#out --pdf demo.lytex or, if that does not work, use the short option lilypond-book -o out --pdf demo.lytex -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
And now for something completely different.
Can you guess what the output of saving and running the following file
will be?
\markup \center-align { hoi hoo }
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Re: And now for something completely different.
On 11/01/2013 07:53 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Can you guess what the output of saving and running the following file will be? Is the surprising output related to this? If an included file is given a name which is the same as one in LilyPond's installation files, LilyPond's file from the installation files takes precedence. http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/including-lilypond-files I run into the later issue earlier this week... Best Peter ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: And now for something completely different.
Peter Bjuhr peterbj...@gmail.com writes: On 11/01/2013 07:53 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Can you guess what the output of saving and running the following file will be? Is the surprising output related to this? If an included file is given a name which is the same as one in LilyPond's installation files, LilyPond's file from the installation files takes precedence. http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/including-lilypond-files Only by analogy. LilyPond is not at fault for _this_ one. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: And now for something completely different.
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Re: And now for something completely different.
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:52 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Peter Bjuhr peterbj...@gmail.com writes: On 11/01/2013 07:53 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Can you guess what the output of saving and running the following file will be? Is the surprising output related to this? If an included file is given a name which is the same as one in LilyPond's installation files, LilyPond's file from the installation files takes precedence. http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/including-lilypond-files Only by analogy. LilyPond is not at fault for _this_ one. I was thinking that whatever the function may or may not do, there will be a \version warning if the file is run as-is by itself. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: And now for something completely different.
On 11/01/2013 09:01 PM, Peter Bjuhr wrote: On 11/01/2013 08:52 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Only by analogy. LilyPond is not at fault for _this_ one. Ok, I see. Always fun with a little game! :-) I guess it must be related to the creation of the postscript...(?) Best Peter ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: And now for something completely different.
Peter Bjuhr peterbj...@gmail.com writes: On 11/01/2013 09:01 PM, Peter Bjuhr wrote: On 11/01/2013 08:52 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Only by analogy. LilyPond is not at fault for _this_ one. Ok, I see. Always fun with a little game! :-) I guess it must be related to the creation of the postscript...(?) No, the PostScript is still fine. But when you ask Ghostscript to convert it to anything else, it has its own idea what to convert. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: And now for something completely different.
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Re: And now for something completely different.
David Kastrup writes: No, the PostScript is still fine. But when you ask Ghostscript to convert it to anything else, it has its own idea what to convert. Nice. How did you come by this one? Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Two possible ugly bugs
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Re: And now for something completely different.
For me, it does not occur with 2.17 versions (.9 and .26) but only with 2.16.2. Cheers, Joram ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: fret diagrams with no staffs
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Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote:
On 10/31/13 8:47 AM, Renato renn...@gmail.com wrote:
However I have not been able to (due to my superficial knowledge of
lilypond and snippets dealing with chord diagrams over a
staff scenario):
1) use fret-diagram-details to set the various parameters it offers.
It would be best to set this once and for all instead of for every
single chord
For \markup fret diagrams, you override the fret-diagram-details
property of a TextScript object (see
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/snippets/fretted-strings
Customizing markup fret diagrams):
\override TextScript #'(fret-diagram-details . (
(finger-code . below-string)
(number-type . arabic)
(label-dir . -1)
(mute-string . M)
(orientation . landscape)
(barre-type . none)
(xo-font-magnification . 0.4)
(xo-padding . 0.3)))
how/where should I put that in my example? The code in
the link produces a staff, which I don't want (and I didn't find
a way to remove it)... I might be missing something obvious, sorry for
that, as I stated I don't have a good grasp of lilypond's fundamentals
(yeah I know that's a fault on my part, but time is what it is)
2) Display names on top of chords
For this, you probably don't want to use \markup fret diagrams.
You probably just want to create a score with a ChordNames
Mmh, I've looked into this and made some tests, but I'd like to enter
my chords with the \fret-diagram strings, not with c e g (or worse
\chordmode{c}) - that is because I'm rather picky about fingerings and I
want to input jazz non-standard chords, so I don't want lilypond to
try to outsmart me, I want to enter exact strings and frets.
so, basically I'd want to:
1) use \fret-diagram to input chords
2) not have a staff
3) display the chord names I want on top of the diagrams (I want
control over that, not lilypond deciding my chord needs to be called a
Csus13... possibly I'd like to put something like CM7 or Am9)
4) set the properties of fret-diagram-details (like if roman numbers
for the fret number should be upper or lower and so on)
I realise that listed like this it seems like asking much, but
I thought that what I wante was actually pretty simple: just a sheet
with some chords and a way to tune some aesthetics
(fret-diagram-details). just to give an idea of what I'm after I made a
picture of two books I own which have something similar:
http://i.imgur.com/lvAugEJ.jpg
something in that ballpark would be great :)
cheers,
renato
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Re: On creating title pages and the like
JoshTeX systems are not required or intended to recognize either lilypond
or
lilypond-book.
I understood this. But from what I can see in the documentation, my problem
isn't addressed in the lilypond documentation
What particularly was your problem in applying this to your case?
I don't know how to get my latex system to recognize the following:
\begin{lilypond}
\relative c' {
c2 e2 \tuplet 3/2 { f8 a b } a2 e4
}
\end{lilypond}
Probably because I don't have some package. The problem is that I don't see
a package described anywhere... and everytime I just try using
\begin{lilypond}\end{lilypond} or \lilypond {...}. When I try using
\usepackage{lilypond}, and process through LaTeX, I get wierd looks from my
process log
! LaTeX Error: Environment lilypond undefined.
That's after copying and pasting the example given in the documentation.
Help? Thanks again for dealing with me (and what I think might be an
obvious solution).
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
TeX systems are not required or intended to recognize either lilypond or
lilypond-book.
IC,
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Thoughts about creating Stack Exchange page?
I'm not sure if many of you are familiar with Stack Exchange. However, to those who are--What are your thoughts about creating a LilyPond Stack Exchange page? I personally love the concept of Stack Exchange, and I believe that it would be great for the LilyPond community. - Ryan McClure Luna Music Engraving -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Thoughts-about-creating-Stack-Exchange-page-tp153215.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Percent repeats and polyphony. Bug?
Hello. I bring this from the Spanish list:
{
\time 2/4
\repeat percent 3 b'2 \\ b2
\repeat percent 3 b2
}
[image attached]
Here, the repeated part which has polyphony lacks one of the percent
symbols. Anyone knows why? Thanks.
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Re: Thoughts about creating Stack Exchange page?
Hello Ryan: On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 16:30 -0700, ryanmichaelmcclure wrote: What are your thoughts about creating a LilyPond Stack Exchange page? I have found the LaTex Stack Exchange very useful. I think that LilyPond would definitely benefit from a Stack Exchange-type website. I don't mean for this to be a simple +1 addition to the list but I think that it is good to know that someone else supports the idea. Rachael ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Thoughts about creating Stack Exchange page?
I know that AskUbuntu is WONDERFUL--it is the webpage that helped me breech the gap between being a newbie to a confident user in Ubuntu. A LilyPond page would be tremendous not only to new users but also for archiving information. Yes, the mailing list is excellent, but for someone who is absolutely new to LilyPond, a Stack page would be great. I also believe that things like Frescobaldi and other GUIs could be encapsulated in the page. I may create a proposal on Area51...should I consider the page to be technology/software? - Ryan McClure Luna Music Engraving -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Thoughts-about-creating-Stack-Exchange-page-tp153215p153218.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Thoughts about creating Stack Exchange page?
I am very much in favour of it, see this post from *exactly* one year ago: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-11/msg00018.html Cheers, Joram ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Thoughts about creating Stack Exchange page?
It seems like a good many people support the idea. Thanks Noeck for that link--it seems like many supported it back then. It doesn't seem like too much work to create a page. I have created a proposal for it: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/61575/lilypond I have also created a generic sample question, and I will put an answer up shortly--however, you all are welcome to answer it too ;) If you support the idea, pretty please would you follow the proposal and create an account with StackExchange if necessary? I would not mind organizing this all if no one else would like to. - Ryan McClure Luna Music Engraving -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Thoughts-about-creating-Stack-Exchange-page-tp153215p153220.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Evenly spacing lyrics
All, Is there a way to tell LilyPond to try to space lyrics evenly, as opposed to spacing notes roughly proportionally? I'm working with an SATB hymn sheet where there are dotted half notes and quarter notes and eighth notes all together, and the normal spacing engine that gives more space to longer notes is causing the lyrics to look badly spaced, particularly on less dense lines (I manual line break to keep lyrical phrases on one line). see example1.jpg, attached. I figured out that I could get fairly even lyrical spacing (or rather, fairly even note spacing), by setting the shortest note duration arbitrarily small, as in: \override SpacingSpanner.base-shortest-duration = #(ly:make-moment 1/128) However, the problem is that it makes the space between the bar line and the following note rather small and the space between the bar line and the preceding note larger, as in example2.jpg. Is there a compromise? A way to get the notes to space evenly regardless of duration, but still have the notes appear centered between the bars? Thanks, Carl attachment: example1.jpgattachment: example2.jpg___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Thoughts about creating Stack Exchange page?
I am also totally up for this idea as well. I have been posting some questions and answers related to LilyPond programming on the Stack Overflow website, but unfortunately there are too few people dealing with LilyPond over there. Stack Exchange also has a website called Musical Practice Performance, but I think it is extremely uninteresting and vulgar (IMO, it consists mainly of questions about guitar tabs or which guitar to buy or which guitar did [insert famous guitar player name here] use). -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Thoughts-about-creating-Stack-Exchange-page-tp153215p153222.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Percent repeats and polyphony. Bug?
2013/11/2 Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com:
Hello. I bring this from the Spanish list:
{
\time 2/4
\repeat percent 3 b'2 \\ b2
\repeat percent 3 b2
}
[image attached]
Here, the repeated part which has polyphony lacks one of the percent
symbols. Anyone knows why? Thanks.
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Hi Francisco,
compiling your example returns
programming error: must have Item for spanner bound of PercentRepeat
\repeat percent 3 b'2 \\ b2
atest-22.ly:4737:3: continuing, cross fingers
Preprocessing graphical objects...
programming error: Multi_measure_rest::get_rods (): I am not spanned!
continuing, cross fingers
Not sure about the exact problem, though, initiating a proper context
\new Voice ...
fixes it.
Cheers,
Harm
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Re: On creating title pages and the like
Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com writes:
JoshTeX systems are not required or intended to recognize either lilypond
or
lilypond-book.
I understood this. But from what I can see in the documentation, my problem
isn't addressed in the lilypond documentation
What particularly was your problem in applying this to your case?
I don't know how to get my latex system to recognize the following:
\begin{lilypond}
\relative c' {
c2 e2 \tuplet 3/2 { f8 a b } a2 e4
}
\end{lilypond}
LaTeX does not recognize this. Period. Simple as that. The program
that recognizes this is lilypond-book, and lilypond-book then writes a
LaTeX program that LaTeX will be able to work with.
Probably because I don't have some package.
No. LaTeX does not recognize this. There is no package for making it
do that.
The problem is that I don't see a package described anywhere... and
everytime I just try using \begin{lilypond}\end{lilypond} or
\lilypond {...}. When I try using \usepackage{lilypond}, and process
through LaTeX, I get wierd looks from my process log
! LaTeX Error: Environment lilypond undefined.
LaTeX does not recognize this. On nobody's system. Anywhere. There is
no way to make it recognize it. You use lilypond-book to convert the
file into one that LaTeX can recognize.
I don't know how I can spell this out more clearly.
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Re: Thoughts about creating Stack Exchange page?
Gilberto Agostinho gilbertohasn...@gmail.com writes: I am also totally up for this idea as well. What's wrong with this list? Everybody wants to take his LilyPond business to the web interface of his choice that takes a lot of additional work over just reading and typing text and further dilutes the LilyPond knowledge. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
