Re: Text extender in repeat

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Added to the LSR: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=1006 (tagged 'docs').
Cheers,
Pierre

2015-06-02 23:31 GMT+02:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider <
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com>:

> Hum, 'looks like the extender accepts 'null'...
> So even more simple :
>
> ...
> \addlyrics {
>of Prin- ces all __ _ _
>the __  _ flow'r.
>Who took a-
>%% volta 2
>\tweak self-alignment-X #LEFT
>\markup \null __ the __ _ flow'r.
> }
> ...
>
> Cheers,
> Pierre
>
> 2015-06-02 22:42 GMT+02:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider <
> pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> 2015-06-02 18:25 GMT+02:00 Jayaratna :
>>
>>> Dear Lilypondians,
>>>
>>> I found a solution to a similar problem given years ago on the mailing
>>> list,
>>> but I can't understand it. Maybe it works on earlier versions?
>>>
>>
>> Where is it?
>> Could you provide us any link?
>>
>>
>>> Here is my point, last bar extender should begin at the beginning of the
>>> bar, not before:
>>>
>>
>> Here's a simple one:
>>
>> \version "2.18.2"
>>
>> %% repeat extender:
>> voltaExt = \markup\concat { \hspace #-2 \transparent "." }
>>
>> \score {
>>   <<
>> \new Staff \relative c'' {
>>   \time 2/1
>>   \repeat volta 2 {
>> r4 g4 d'2. a4 bes2~
>> bes  a2 g1~
>>   }
>>   \alternative{
>>{ g2 fis4 e fis1 d'1 c2 bes}
>>{ g\repeatTie fis4 e fis1 }
>>   }
>>   \bar "|."
>> }
>> \addlyrics {
>>of Prin- ces all __ _ _
>>the __  _ flow'r.
>>Who took a-
>>%% volta 2
>>\voltaExt __ the __ _ flow'r.
>> }
>>   >>
>> }
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Cheers,
>> Pierre
>>
>>
>
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Re: dynamic outside staff

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno mer 3 giu 2015 alle 8:45, Gianmaria Lari 
 ha scritto:

I would like that a "<" symbol span outside staff. This is my code

\version "2.18.2"
\time 4/4
\relative {
a\< b c d
e\! f g a
}


Do you mean that you want it to span over the bar line?
See the first snippet ("Setting hairpin behavior at bar lines"), 
scrolling down from here:

http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/expressive-marks-attached-to-notes.html#dynamics




I found in the documentation the following example:
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/learning/outside_002dstaff-objects

% Set details for later Text Spanner
\override TextSpanner.bound-details.left.text
= \markup { \small \bold Slower }
% Place dynamics above staff
\dynamicUp
% Start Ottava Bracket
\ottava #1
c'4 \startTextSpan
% Add Dynamic Text and hairpin
c4\pp\<
c4
% Add Text Script
c4^Text |
c4 c
% Add Dynamic Text and terminate hairpin
c4\ff c \stopTextSpan |
% Stop Ottava Bracket
\ottava #0
c,4 c c c |

This looks to me a very difficult example to understand. Can I 
suggest to

split this in multiple simplier example in the documentation?


That example must be complex because the chapter wants to show how to 
override several objects' position.
The easier way to have a better understanding is clicking on the 
example, copying the snippet and testing it in Frescobaldi, where you 
can use two-way point-and-click, change the snippet, etc.


It would be nice if the documentation had something similar, see:
https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2578







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Accidentals in cadenzas after barlines

[Peter Toye]

I'm well aware that after inserting a manual barline in a cadenza I need to use 
cautionary accidentals.

However, following a barline LP automatically inserts a natural. In this 
snippet I don't want the natural on the c immediately after the barline.

I can't see how to stop it - what's the trick please? I can't find it in the 
manuals or the snippets.

\version "2.18.2"

\language "english"

\score {

  \new Staff \with {
\remove "Time_signature_engraver"
  }

  \relative c {
\key c \major
\clef bass
\set Timing.defaultBarType = ""
\cadenzaOn

{
  c4 cs \bar "|" c cs
}
  }
}

 
Regards,

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Re: dynamic outside staff

[Gianmaria Lari]

Sorry for my not clear english terminology! Yes, Federico, I want to span the
hairpin over the bar line. I had a look to the documentation you mentioned
and made some test and I have some issues.

If I do:

\version "2.18.2"
\time 4/4
\relative {a\< b c d
e*\!* f g a
}

I expect that the hairpin is positioned above "a" note and end after the
first bar line above the "e" note. But instead it ends above the "d" note
(before the first bar line).

But if I put the "\!" after the "f" note like in the following example, then
hairpin correctly end above the "f" note. What am I missing?

\version "2.18.2"
\time 4/4
\relative {a\< b c d
e f*\!* g a
}

Thank you, g.




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Re: Accidentals in cadenzas after barlines

[Urs Liska]

\once \omit Accidental

HTH
Urs

Am 03.06.2015 um 11:15 schrieb Peter Toye:
Accidentals in cadenzas after barlines I'm well aware that after 
inserting a manual barline in a cadenza I need to use cautionary 
accidentals.


However, following a barline LP automatically inserts a natural. In 
this snippet I don't want the natural on the c immediately after the 
barline.


I can't see how to stop it - what's the trick please? I can't find it 
in the manuals or the snippets.


\version "2.18.2"

\language "english"

\score {

 \new Staff \with {
   \remove "Time_signature_engraver"
 }

 \relative c {
   \key c \major
   \clef bass
   \set Timing.defaultBarType = ""
   \cadenzaOn

   {
 c4 cs \bar "|" c cs
   }
 }
}


Regards,

Peter
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Re: Accidentals in cadenzas after barlines

[David Kastrup]

Peter Toye  writes:

> I'm well aware that after inserting a manual barline in a cadenza I need to 
> use cautionary accidentals.
>
> However, following a barline LP automatically inserts a natural. In this 
> snippet I don't want the natural on the c immediately after the barline.
>
> I can't see how to stop it - what's the trick please? I can't find it in the 
> manuals or the snippets.
>
> \version "2.18.2"
>
> \language "english"
>
> \score {
>
>   \new Staff \with {
> \remove "Time_signature_engraver"
>   }
>
>   \relative c {
> \key c \major
> \clef bass
> \set Timing.defaultBarType = ""
> \cadenzaOn
>
> {
>   c4 cs \bar "|" c cs
> }
>   }
> }

If everything else fails,

  \once\accidentalStyle forget

is sort of a sledge-hammer approach.  There may be something more
elegant.

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Re: dynamic outside staff

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno mer 3 giu 2015 alle 11:23, Gianmaria Lari 
 ha scritto:
Sorry for my not clear english terminology! Yes, Federico, I want to 
span the
hairpin over the bar line. I had a look to the documentation you 
mentioned

and made some test and I have some issues.

If I do:

\version "2.18.2"
\time 4/4
\relative {a\< b c d
e*\!* f g a
}

I expect that the hairpin is positioned above "a" note and end after 
the
first bar line above the "e" note. But instead it ends above the "d" 
note

(before the first bar line).

But if I put the "\!" after the "f" note like in the following 
example, then

hairpin correctly end above the "f" note. What am I missing?

\version "2.18.2"
\time 4/4
\relative {a\< b c d
e f*\!* g a
}


I guess you didn't find the snippet I was writing about, here's the 
"deep link":

http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/snippets/expressive-marks#expressive-marks-setting-hairpin-behavior-at-bar-lines

In your first example you must use:
 \override Hairpin.to-barline = ##f


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Re: dynamic outside staff

[Gianmaria Lari]

Ahhh!!! Thank you for the link to the documentation, very clear.

Ciao, g.



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Re: Text extender in repeat

[Peter Crighton]

This also works for hyphens, by the way:
\markup \null --

Very useful, thanks, Pierre!


--
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http://www.petercrighton.de

2015-06-02 23:31 GMT+02:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider <
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com>:

> Hum, 'looks like the extender accepts 'null'...
> So even more simple :
>
> ...
> \addlyrics {
>of Prin- ces all __ _ _
>the __  _ flow'r.
>Who took a-
>%% volta 2
>\tweak self-alignment-X #LEFT
>\markup \null __ the __ _ flow'r.
> }
> ...
>
> Cheers,
> Pierre
>
> 2015-06-02 22:42 GMT+02:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider <
> pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> 2015-06-02 18:25 GMT+02:00 Jayaratna :
>>
>>> Dear Lilypondians,
>>>
>>> I found a solution to a similar problem given years ago on the mailing
>>> list,
>>> but I can't understand it. Maybe it works on earlier versions?
>>>
>>
>> Where is it?
>> Could you provide us any link?
>>
>>
>>> Here is my point, last bar extender should begin at the beginning of the
>>> bar, not before:
>>>
>>
>> Here's a simple one:
>>
>> \version "2.18.2"
>>
>> %% repeat extender:
>> voltaExt = \markup\concat { \hspace #-2 \transparent "." }
>>
>> \score {
>>   <<
>> \new Staff \relative c'' {
>>   \time 2/1
>>   \repeat volta 2 {
>> r4 g4 d'2. a4 bes2~
>> bes  a2 g1~
>>   }
>>   \alternative{
>>{ g2 fis4 e fis1 d'1 c2 bes}
>>{ g\repeatTie fis4 e fis1 }
>>   }
>>   \bar "|."
>> }
>> \addlyrics {
>>of Prin- ces all __ _ _
>>the __  _ flow'r.
>>Who took a-
>>%% volta 2
>>\voltaExt __ the __ _ flow'r.
>> }
>>   >>
>> }
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Cheers,
>> Pierre
>>
>>
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Re: Accidentals in cadenzas after barlines

[Peter Toye]

Thanks both David and Urs. Urs's didn't work too well as it still left space 
for the non-existent accidental. David's solution worked much better.
 
Regards,

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Re: Accidentals in cadenzas after barlines

[Urs Liska]

Am 03.06.2015 um 15:55 schrieb Peter Toye:
Re: Accidentals in cadenzas after barlines Thanks both David and Urs. 
Urs's didn't work too well as it still left space for the non-existent 
accidental. David's solution worked much better.


This is interesting because in the development version this isn't the 
case anymore.

Urs



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combining simultaneous notes

[Arno Waschk]

dear list,

(sorry for cross posting, i am not sure where to address correctly...)

i have a problem which seemed trivial to me, but i cannot resolve 
according to the docs successfully:


\version = "2.19.22"
aa={a4 b4 a4 b4}
bb={a4 g a g}
\new Staff {
<<
  \aa
  \bb
>>
}
\new Staff{
a4  a 
}


prints two lines. How can i make the first to look like the second.

\partcombine does not work for me in more complex situations.

Is there something like \mergeAllNoteHeadsPossible?


Thanks, Arno

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RE:Accidentals in cadenzas after barlines

[Stephen MacNeil]

you can also do

#(set-accidental-style 'forget 'Score)
then

#(set-accidental-style 'modern 'Score)

to go back

%%%



\version "2.18.2"


\language "english"


\score {


 \new Staff \with {

\remove "Time_signature_engraver"

}


 \relative c {

\key c \major

\clef bass

\set Timing.defaultBarType = ""

\cadenzaOn

#(set-accidental-style 'forget 'Score)

{

c4 cs \bar "|" c cs

}

\cadenzaOff

#(set-accidental-style 'modern 'Score)

c4 cs \bar "|" c cs

}

}



HTH
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Re: combining simultaneous notes

[David Kastrup]

Arno Waschk  writes:

> dear list,
>
> (sorry for cross posting, i am not sure where to address correctly...)
>
> i have a problem which seemed trivial to me, but i cannot resolve
> according to the docs successfully:
>
> \version = "2.19.22"
> aa={a4 b4 a4 b4}
> bb={a4 g a g}
> \new Staff {
> <<
>   \aa
>   \bb
>>>
> }
> \new Staff{
> a4  a 
> }
>
>
> prints two lines. How can i make the first to look like the second.
>
> \partcombine does not work for me in more complex situations.
>
> Is there something like \mergeAllNoteHeadsPossible?

If there was, issue 185
https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=185> would not
be an issue.

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Re: Accidentals in cadenzas after barlines

[David Kastrup]

Stephen MacNeil  writes:

> you can also do
>
> #(set-accidental-style 'forget 'Score)
> then
>
> #(set-accidental-style 'modern 'Score)
>
> to go back

Apart from \accidentalStyle having a nicer syntax, I strongly suspect
that you don't use the last argument correctly.  'Score implies that any
temporary accidentals should hold for the whole score across all
systems.  That would be kind of unusual.  Most accidentals hold
per-Staff.  Piano accidentals may hold per PianoStaff, and there are
also per-Voice accidentals.  But per-Score would be rather weird.

-- 
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Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Abraham Lee]

All,

I was browsing through some online engraving tutorials (featured on
sibeliusblog.com some years ago) and I couldn't seem to figure out how to
do this one:

*>>> GO FROM:*



*>>> TO:*



Here's the basic idea: The Woodwind group hypothetically doesn't start
playing until measure four, so I don't want their staves to appear until
then. How do I make the upper StaffGroup show the SystemStartBracket and
initial clefs like normal when they start in the middle of a system? I
think it's okay to ignore the Oboe and Clarinet staves for this exercise.

Here's a starting point for anyone interested in taking this challenge,
which gives you the top image (without the Oboe and Clarinet staves, of
course:

\version "2.18.2"

fluteMusic = {
  \clef treble
  R1*8
}

bassoonMusic = {
  \clef bass
  R1*8
}

violinIMusic = {
  \clef treble
  R1*8
}

violinIIMusic = {
  \clef treble
  R1*8
}

violaMusic = {
  \clef alto
  R1*8
}

violoncelloMusic = {
  \clef bass
  R1*8
}



\score {
  <<
\new StaffGroup <<
  \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Flute"
shortInstrumentName = "Flt."
  } \fluteMusic
  \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Bassoon"
shortInstrumentName = "Bsn."
  } \bassoonMusic
>>
\new StaffGroup <<
  \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Violin I"
shortInstrumentName = "Vln. I"
  } \violinIMusic
  \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Violin II"
shortInstrumentName = "Vln. II"
  } \violinIIMusic
  \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Viola"
shortInstrumentName = "Vla."
  } \violaMusic
  \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Violoncello"
shortInstrumentName = "Vlc."
  } \violoncelloMusic
>>
  >>
  \layout {}
}

I won't bias your creativity by sharing what I tried. Let's see what you've
got!

- Abraham
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Re: Accidentals in cadenzas after barlines

[Stephen MacNeil]

I agree \accidentalStyle is nice syntax. And i agree my example was over
kill for the situation (But works). However I disagree, on Score vs
Voice/Staff. If you need to change in and out of using accidentals for
example in a book. Score works well.

Take this example

http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf

page 3

here is a quick typeset.

http://mglessons.com/lilypond/accid.pdf

If I want to switch in and out of styles I wouldn't put it in the layout
block or global so the solution is "Score" I could however right it in each
part that needs to be changed but that would be "rather weird". I jest of
course. But that's my understanding of it -- Am i missing something?

Thanks
Stephen

>Apart from \accidentalStyle having a nicer syntax, I strongly suspect
>that you don't use the last argument correctly.  'Score implies that any
>temporary accidentals should hold for the whole score across all
>systems.  That would be kind of unusual.  Most accidentals hold
>per-Staff.  Piano accidentals may hold per PianoStaff, and there are
>also per-Voice accidentals.  But per-Score would be rather weird.

>--
>David Kastrup
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Re: Text extender in repeat

[Jayaratna]

Dear Peter and Pierre,

thank you so much, it works. The \null solution is better IMHO.

Now before keeping this snippet online we should move left both syllables
'the', to show the melisma on the second crotchet, which was going to be my
second question.

TIA,
Andy



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Re: Accidentals in cadenzas after barlines

[David Kastrup]

Stephen MacNeil  writes:

> I agree \accidentalStyle is nice syntax. And i agree my example was
> over kill for the situation (But works). However I disagree, on Score
> vs Voice/Staff. If you need to change in and out of using accidentals
> for example in a book. Score works well.

Well, it turns out that I confused the context specification given to
\accidentalStyle (which means where it is applied) with internal context
arguments to add-accidentals-properties (which specify the context for
which any printed accidental will be considered relevant).

I implemented the \accidentalStyle syntax so one should hope that I had
understood what it was useful for.

No such luck.  At least it works.

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Re: combining simultaneous notes

[Simon Albrecht]

Hello Arno,

Am 03.06.2015 um 16:26 schrieb Arno Waschk:

dear list,

(sorry for cross posting, i am not sure where to address correctly...)
Since this is about usage of the program, the user list is the right 
place. The devel list serves to coordinate development of Lilypond.


i have a problem which seemed trivial to me, but i cannot resolve 
according to the docs successfully:


\version = "2.19.22"
aa={a4 b4 a4 b4}
bb={a4 g a g}
\new Staff {
<<
  \aa
  \bb
>>
}
\new Staff{
a4  a 
}


prints two lines. How can i make the first to look like the second.

\partcombine does not work for me in more complex situations.

Is there something like \mergeAllNoteHeadsPossible?
No, indeed \partcombine is the solution we have for this task. It is way 
from being perfect (you’ll find a lot of issues on the tracker 
), 
so you’ll likely need manual adjustment (see the NR section on 
\partcombine 
). 
If that doesn’t help, you may come back to this list, ideally with a 
tiny example  of any specific 
problem, or read and follow the instructions in 
.


HTH, Simon

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RE:combining simultaneous notes

[Stephen MacNeil]

The example works on

\version "2.18.2"

so i guess it's a "2.19.22" issue

I tested it on lilybin and this works in "2.19.21 for your example
anyway. not sure of "2.19.22" as i don't have it


\version "2.19.21"
aa={a4 b a b}
bb={a4 g a g}
\new Staff {
<<
  \aa\\
  \stemUp\bb
>>
}
\new Staff{
a4  a 
}

HTH
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Re: Text extender in repeat

[Simon Albrecht]

Am 03.06.2015 um 19:12 schrieb Jayaratna:

Dear Peter and Pierre,

thank you so much, it works. The \null solution is better IMHO.

Now before keeping this snippet online we should move left both syllables
'the',
No, we shouldn’t, since it is perfectly all right to left-align a 
syllable which has a melisma. I agree the current LSR output isn’t quite 
convincing, but I’d correct this with { \tweak self-alignment-X -0.5 
flow’r } or similar. (Note the correct apostrophe ’ I used instead of 
'). Pierre, it’s up to you if you’d like to use this in the LSR snip.


Yours, Simon

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RE:Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Stephen MacNeil]

have a sample of what it should look like?

Stephen
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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

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Am 03.06.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Stephen MacNeil:

have a sample of what it should look like?

There was one inline, didn’t you receive it?
~ Simon

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Re: Text extender in repeat

[Jayaratna]

> No, we shouldn’t, since it is perfectly all right to left-align a
> syllable which has a melisma. 

Now the syllables 'the' are aligned left, but they should be moved further
left because the melisma sign that follows is barely visible.

> but I’d correct this with { \tweak self-alignment-X -0.5
> flow’r } or similar.

This code does not give the desired shift. Not even changing -0.5 to -550.

> Note the correct apostrophe ’ I used instead of
> ').

When using my .otf font the apostrohe appears correct.

 



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Re: combining simultaneous notes

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Am 03.06.2015 um 21:19 schrieb Stephen MacNeil:

The example works on

What do you mean by ‘works’?


\version "2.18.2"

so i guess it's a "2.19.22" issue

I tested it on lilybin and this works in "2.19.21 for your example 
anyway. not sure of "2.19.22" as i don't have it



\version "2.19.21"
aa={a4 b a b}
bb={a4 g a g}
\new Staff {
<<
  \aa\\
  \stemUp\bb
Well, this is clearly a hack. I’m surprised that Lily doesn’t complain. 
More precisely: it’s improper to use two voices and fake the look of one 
voice by tweaking stem direction. And it won’t work in any but the 
simplest cases. Also: please, for the sake of legibility, please put 
spaces around _every_ { and = and \\. The \\ should get a line of its 
own, unless the entire <<>> expression is placed on one line. It’s just 
imprudent to be so greedy with space at the expense of legibility, and 
if you’re publishing your code, it’s not a matter of your personal 
preference alone.


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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Stephen MacNeil]

No i doesn't show

Stephen

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Simon Albrecht 
wrote:

> Am 03.06.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Stephen MacNeil:
>
>> have a sample of what it should look like?
>>
> There was one inline, didn’t you receive it?
> ~ Simon
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Re: Text extender in repeat

[Simon Albrecht]

Hello,

Am 03.06.2015 um 21:35 schrieb Jayaratna:

No, we shouldn’t, since it is perfectly all right to left-align a
syllable which has a melisma.

Now the syllables 'the' are aligned left,

left-aligned :-)

  but they should be moved further
left because the melisma sign that follows is barely visible.
It will be, if the following syllable will be successfully shifted (see 
below). But IMO it’s no problem to leave the __ out in cases like this 
(short melisma, long syllable).



but I’d correct this with { \tweak self-alignment-X -0.5
flow’r } or similar.

This code does not give the desired shift. Not even changing -0.5 to -550.
Sorry, I should have tested it. You need { \once\override 
LyricText.self-alignment-X = #-0.7 } (with whatever value you like).



Note the correct apostrophe ’ I used instead of
').

When using my .otf font the apostrohe appears correct.

Then that’s a peculiarity of your font.

Best regards, Simon

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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Simon Albrecht]

You can see them on 
.

~ Simon

Am 03.06.2015 um 21:41 schrieb Stephen MacNeil:

No i doesn't show

Stephen

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Simon Albrecht > wrote:


Am 03.06.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Stephen MacNeil:

have a sample of what it should look like?

There was one inline, didn’t you receive it?
~ Simon




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Re: combining simultaneous notes

[Stephen MacNeil]

>What do you mean by ‘works’?

well what he posted .. The top looks like the bottom does! on "2.18.2"

>Well, this is clearly a hack. I’m surprised that Lily doesn’t complain.
More precisely: it’s improper to use two voices and >fake the look of one
voice by tweaking stem direction.

OK 

>And it won’t work in any but the simplest cases.
>Also: please, for the sake of legibility, please put spaces around _every_
>{ and = and \\. The \\ should get a line of its >own, unless the entire
<<>> expression is placed on one line. It’s just >imprudent to be so greedy
with space at the >expense of legibility, and if you’re publishing your
code, it’s not a matter of >your personal preference alone.

:)

>Regards, Simon

Stephen

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Simon Albrecht 
wrote:

> Am 03.06.2015 um 21:19 schrieb Stephen MacNeil:
>
>> The example works on
>>
> What do you mean by ‘works’?
>
>>
>> \version "2.18.2"
>>
>> so i guess it's a "2.19.22" issue
>>
>> I tested it on lilybin and this works in "2.19.21 for your example
>> anyway. not sure of "2.19.22" as i don't have it
>>
>>
>> \version "2.19.21"
>> aa={a4 b a b}
>> bb={a4 g a g}
>> \new Staff {
>> <<
>>   \aa\\
>>   \stemUp\bb
>>
> Well, this is clearly a hack. I’m surprised that Lily doesn’t complain.
> More precisely: it’s improper to use two voices and fake the look of one
> voice by tweaking stem direction. And it won’t work in any but the simplest
> cases. Also: please, for the sake of legibility, please put spaces around
> _every_ { and = and \\. The \\ should get a line of its own, unless the
> entire <<>> expression is placed on one line. It’s just imprudent to be so
> greedy with space at the expense of legibility, and if you’re publishing
> your code, it’s not a matter of your personal preference alone.
>
> Regards, Simon
>
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Re: Text extender in repeat

[Jayaratna]

> It will be, if the following syllable will be successfully shifted (see
> below). But IMO it’s no problem to leave the __ out in cases like this
> (short melisma, long syllable). 

Now I see your point: moving right the following syllable.

> \once\override
> LyricText.self-alignment-X = #-0.7 

Works: thank you!

> Then that’s a peculiarity of your font. 

Shouldn't it be the normal behaviour of an otf font?

Best regards,
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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Stephen MacNeil]

Thanks
Stephen

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Simon Albrecht 
wrote:

>  You can see them on
> 
> 
> .
> ~ Simon
>
>
> Am 03.06.2015 um 21:41 schrieb Stephen MacNeil:
>
>  No i doesn't show
>
>  Stephen
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Simon Albrecht 
> wrote:
>
>> Am 03.06.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Stephen MacNeil:
>>
>>> have a sample of what it should look like?
>>>
>>  There was one inline, didn’t you receive it?
>> ~ Simon
>>
>
>
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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[N. Andrew Walsh]

I would think it might be preferable to follow what I take to be the more
standard practice for cutaway scores, in which all staves appear at the
beginning of the first system, with whatever other establishing marks
(clef, key, instrument name, tempo, time signature, etc) are necessary, and
then blanking out the measures until their music appears. Using the first
example from Sibelius's blog on this topic (as you can see from their blog
post here:
http://www.sibeliusblog.com/tutorials/learning-more-advanced-cut-away-score-techniques/
) seems like it might immediately raise some hackles (not the least of
which simply because it's Sibelius, but also because it seems like terrible
notational practice).

That would probably also be easier than moving the brackets and everything
to the first instance of notes, no?

Then it just becomes a much easier matter of whiting out any staves that
don't have notes in them.

Cheers,

A

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Stephen MacNeil 
wrote:

> Thanks
> Stephen
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Simon Albrecht 
> wrote:
>
>>  You can see them on
>> 
>> 
>> .
>> ~ Simon
>>
>>
>> Am 03.06.2015 um 21:41 schrieb Stephen MacNeil:
>>
>>  No i doesn't show
>>
>>  Stephen
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Simon Albrecht 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 03.06.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Stephen MacNeil:
>>>
 have a sample of what it should look like?

>>>  There was one inline, didn’t you receive it?
>>> ~ Simon
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[N. Andrew Walsh]

PS- reading that blog made my head hurt. Is working with Sibelius always
this nightmarishly clunky and dysfunctional?

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:24 PM, N. Andrew Walsh 
wrote:

> I would think it might be preferable to follow what I take to be the more
> standard practice for cutaway scores, in which all staves appear at the
> beginning of the first system, with whatever other establishing marks
> (clef, key, instrument name, tempo, time signature, etc) are necessary, and
> then blanking out the measures until their music appears. Using the first
> example from Sibelius's blog on this topic (as you can see from their blog
> post here:
> http://www.sibeliusblog.com/tutorials/learning-more-advanced-cut-away-score-techniques/
> ) seems like it might immediately raise some hackles (not the least of
> which simply because it's Sibelius, but also because it seems like terrible
> notational practice).
>
> That would probably also be easier than moving the brackets and everything
> to the first instance of notes, no?
>
> Then it just becomes a much easier matter of whiting out any staves that
> don't have notes in them.
>
> Cheers,
>
> A
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Stephen MacNeil 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks
>> Stephen
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Simon Albrecht 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  You can see them on
>>> 
>>> 
>>> .
>>> ~ Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 03.06.2015 um 21:41 schrieb Stephen MacNeil:
>>>
>>>  No i doesn't show
>>>
>>>  Stephen
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Simon Albrecht 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Am 03.06.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Stephen MacNeil:

> have a sample of what it should look like?
>
  There was one inline, didn’t you receive it?
 ~ Simon

>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Klaus Blum]

Hi Abraham, 

whether or not this type of score makes sense... here is what I've got so
far:

% -

\version "2.18.2"

sortClef = {
  \override Score.BreakAlignment #'break-align-orders =
  #'  #((left-edge   cue-end-clef   breathing-sign   staff-bar   clef
  cue-clef   key-cancellation   key-signature   ambitus
  time-signature   custos)
(left-edge   staff-bar   cue-end-clef   breathing-signclef
  cue-clef   key-cancellation   key-signature   ambitus
  time-signature   custos)
(left-edge   breathing-sign   staff-bar   clef   key-cancellation
  key-signature   ambitus   time-signature   cue-clef   custos))
  % \once \override Score.Clef.break-visibility = #'#(#f #t #t)
}

fluteMusicII = {
  \clef treble
  R1*4
}

bassoonMusicII = {
  \clef bass
  R1
  \override Staff.BarLine.allow-span-bar = ##f
  R1*3
}

violinIMusicI = {
  \clef treble
  R1*4
}

violinIIMusicI = {
  \clef treble
  R1*4
}

violaMusicI = {
  \clef alto
  R1*4
}

violoncelloMusicI = {
  \clef bass
  R1*4
}

violinIMusicII = {
  \clef treble
  R1*4
}

violinIIMusicII = {
  \clef treble
  R1*4
}

violaMusicII = {
  \clef alto
  R1*4
}

violoncelloMusicII = {
  \clef bass
  R1*4
}



\score {
  <<
\new StaffGroup <<
  \new Staff = "violinIStaff" \with {
instrumentName = "Violin I"
shortInstrumentName = "Vln. I"
  }
  {
\violinIMusicI
\violinIMusicII
  }
  \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Violin II"
shortInstrumentName = "Vln. II"
  }
  {
\violinIIMusicI
\violinIIMusicII
  }
  \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Viola"
shortInstrumentName = "Vla."
  }
  {
\violaMusicI
\violaMusicII
  }
  \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Violoncello"
shortInstrumentName = "Vlc."
  }
  {
\violoncelloMusicI
\violoncelloMusicII
  }
>>
{
  \skip 1*4 % Strange: the more time is skipped here, the more the
instrument names are moved to the left
  \once \override Staff.BarLine.allow-span-bar = ##t
  % unfortunately, "once" doesn't work here, hence the addition in the
bassoon part
  \sortClef
  \once \override Score.Clef.full-size-change = ##t
  \new StaffGroup \with {
alignAboveContext = #"violinIStaff"
  }
  <<
\new Staff \with {
  instrumentName = "Flute"
  shortInstrumentName = "Flt."
}
\fluteMusicII
\new Staff \with {
  instrumentName = "Bassoon"
  shortInstrumentName = "Bsn."
} \bassoonMusicII
  >>
}
  >>
  \layout {}
}

% -

I've added some comments in the score.
One problem that I couldn't solve: The more beats are skipped until the
woodwinds begin, the more the instrument names move to the left. Can anyone
help?

Cheers, 
Klaus



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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[tisimst]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:31 PM, N. Andrew Walsh [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n17745...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> PS- reading that blog made my head hurt. Is working with Sibelius always
> this nightmarishly clunky and dysfunctional?
>

Just for the record, I couldn't agree more :-)


> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:24 PM, N. Andrew Walsh <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
>
>> I would think it might be preferable to follow what I take to be the more
>> standard practice for cutaway scores, in which all staves appear at the
>> beginning of the first system, with whatever other establishing marks
>> (clef, key, instrument name, tempo, time signature, etc) are necessary, and
>> then blanking out the measures until their music appears. Using the first
>> example from Sibelius's blog on this topic (as you can see from their blog
>> post here:
>> http://www.sibeliusblog.com/tutorials/learning-more-advanced-cut-away-score-techniques/
>> ) seems like it might immediately raise some hackles (not the least of
>> which simply because it's Sibelius, but also because it seems like terrible
>> notational practice).
>>
>> That would probably also be easier than moving the brackets and
>> everything to the first instance of notes, no?
>>
>> Then it just becomes a much easier matter of whiting out any staves that
>> don't have notes in them.
>>
> Agreed. Personally, I don't like the idea of starting a instrument
mid-score like the tutorials demonstrate. I was just curious if it was
possible. My logic is this: if there's a tutorial on it, *someone* must be
using it, whether they *should* or not, and if I was asked to do it, I'd
feel better knowing that I can.

- Abraham




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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[tisimst]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Klaus Blum [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n177459...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> Hi Abraham,
>
> whether or not this type of score makes sense... here is what I've got so
> far:
>
> %
> -
> ...
> %
> -
>
> I've added some comments in the score.
> One problem that I couldn't solve: The more beats are skipped until the
> woodwinds begin, the more the instrument names move to the left. Can anyone
> help?
>

Klaus,

Nice work! It would have taken me quite a while to get that close. However,
I couldn't see the instrument names at all...

- Abraham




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Re: Change direction of already positioned markup?

[Peter Crighton]

2015-06-01 15:50 GMT+02:00 Vaughan McAlley :

> On 1 June 2015 at 12:14, Peter Crighton  wrote:
> >
> > 2015-05-31 23:43 GMT+02:00 Simon Albrecht :
> >>
> >> Am 31.05.2015 um 18:25 schrieb Jacques Menu:
> >>
> >> Hello Peter,
> >>
> >> Maybe tags would be an easy solution, specifying variants according to
> the uses of the music, i.e. inside an instrument part or inside a full
> score.
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >> Probably tags contradict hardcore content/presentation separation :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Exactly. I could use tags and maybe I will in the end. But I would very
> much like to strictly separate content & presentation.
> >
> > For now, I can use a voice, which I use for inserting rehearsal marks,
> to add the markup below the staff and remove it from the other voice:
> >
> > \editionMod cello 17 0/1 cello.Voice.A _\divisiaIII
> > \editionMod cello 17 0/1 cello.Voice.B \once \omit TextScript
> >
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> I’ve been thinking about relying less on tags for better
> content/presentation separation. This code seems to work. The variable
> isScore will only be evaluated once, during the definition of
> divisiaIII.
>
> \version "2.18.2"
>
> % This would appear early in the score or parts files, before
> % \include-ing all the music data. This ensures isScore is
> % defined where it needs to be.
>
> isScore = ##f % Set to true move directions upward
>
> divisiaIII = \tweak direction #(if isScore UP DOWN) -\markup { "div. a 3" }
>
> { a1 \divisiaIII }
>


Thanks for the suggestion, Vaughan, that’s an interesting approach! I might
use that …

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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Klaus Blum]

tisimst wrote
> I couldn't see the instrument names at all...

Neither could I... 
If you try
\skip 8
\skip 4
\skip 2
you can see the instrument names move to the left. Increasing the indent
value may help visualizing the effect. 
With "\skip 1*4", they completely disappear.
I have no idea what's going on there...

By the way: My code is based on what the documentation tells about ossia
staves.

Cheers, 
Klaus





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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Stephen MacNeil]

sorry missed sending here
This is what I got a bit different but as they say close enough for rock
and roll :)

http://mglessons.com/lilypond/try.pdf

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> This is what I got a bit different but as they say close enough for rock
> and roll :)
>
> http://mglessons.com/lilypond/try.pdf
>
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RE:Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Stephen MacNeil]

well here are my goes at it
first
http://mglessons.com/lilypond/try.pdf

second
http://mglessons.com/lilypond/try2.pdf
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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[tisimst]

Cool! What is the source for that?

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Stephen MacNeil [via Lilypond] <
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> sorry missed sending here
> This is what I got a bit different but as they say close enough for rock
> and roll :)
>
> http://mglessons.com/lilypond/try.pdf
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Stephen MacNeil <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
>
>> This is what I got a bit different but as they say close enough for rock
>> and roll :)
>>
>> http://mglessons.com/lilypond/try.pdf
>>
>> Stephen
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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Stephen MacNeil]

What one first or second?

http://mglessons.com/lilypond/try.pdf

http://mglessons.com/lilypond/try2.pdf

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Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Stephen MacNeil]

Here is my last (hope) attempt unless I get a better idea. but it seams
good.

http://mglessons.com/lilypond/try3.pdf

cheers
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Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Stephen MacNeil]

Well I had fun at this game, so I wanted to see it in action. The first
section requires a little tweak here and there but after that it's good.

I modeled it after your example (spacing)

http://mglessons.com/lilypond/try4-orig.pdf

After i formatted it :)

then i adjusted the spacing. and here it is. My go at it.

http://mglessons.com/lilypond/try4.pdf

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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

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LGTM! Nice work. I'd say that definitely does it. Would you be willing to
share the source for try4? Maybe it could be added to the LSR? I am
satisfied with that.

-Abraham

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Re: Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Stephen MacNeil]

Well as it's been pointed out in another thread from Simon. My work is
sometimes a bit hacky!

However I look at it this way if something needs to be done I do it the
best I can with the knowledge I have at the time.
If there is no solution then I think hacky works until one better comes
along! after all what is the alternative - not to do it? Wait?

Anyway it's Hacky :) i use two scores one for the intro and one for the
body etc. BUT it works! and after all i am more concerned about having a
printable sheet then having it the LP way. I figure any solution is better
then non!

That said sure you can have it but it's a big file and i was already nailed
on improper spacing and <<>> \\ etc. so I can send it if you like. let me
know.

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RE:Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Stephen MacNeil]

actually I just thought of a way to avoid to scores -- then it would be
perfect :) in my eyes.

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Creating cut-away or scrapbook scores in LilyPond

[Stephen MacNeil]

ok did it :)

One score no hacks really and ... ya works great!

http://mglessons.com/lilypond/try5.pdf

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Re: Text extender in repeat

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi Simon,

2015-06-03 21:23 GMT+02:00 Simon Albrecht :
...

> Pierre, it’s up to you if you’d like to use this in the LSR snip.
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...

Thank you! 'Look's perfect to me: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=1006

Cheers,
Pierre
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