LilyPond initiative in french conservatoires in Paris

[Mathieu Demange]

Hello,

My friend and colleague Aymeric OLIVAUD and I, would like to share the 
result of our (ongoing) work focused on LilyPond. We are two french 
music teachers in Paris and we imagined a form of public 
workshop/keynote event with young students where we'd try to show and 
explain what is LilyPond but also quickly jump into how to actually use 
it.


http://lilypond.conservatoire-claude-debussy.fr

Here you'll find the result of that event (first video). Even though 
it's in French, we'd be very delighted to hear your feedback about this 
initiative. It has already shown great success as I counted something 
like 40 students now using LilyPond and loving it in the music engraving 
workshop I'm in charge of in conservatoire Claude Debussy.


Yours,

Mathieu

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Log output

[Andrew Bernard]

In the output log for lilypond compilation, we see something like this:

Interpreting music...[8][16][24][32][40][48][56][64]

What do the numbers refer to? In my score there is no relation to pages or 
lines or similar. I am asking in as this may be a guide to where the numerous 
crashes I am seeing with 2.19.30 may be occurring.

Andrew



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Linnstrument tablature

[Michael Ellis]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Urs Liska  wrote:

> Without trying to really understand the implications I would ask you: Is
> there a way to indicate that kind of two-dimensionality *in notation*
> and, if so, how?
> If you have an answer to that it will be easier to consider a LilyPond
> implementation.
>

Not sure if you mean the two-dimensionality of the grid layout or the two
(actually 3) dimensions of pad response.  I'll try to address both:

Because the rows are always monotonically chromatic,  they're analogous to
a fretted string so a linnstrument tuned in, say, fourths can be
represented in tab much like an 8 string guitar, e.g.

%%
-
linnstrument-fourths = \stringTuning 

first-two = \relative c,  {
  c4 e g c |
  e4 g  b c
}
next-two = \relative c' {
  2  g'4\4  c\3 |
  e4\2  g\2  b c
}

<<
  \new Staff {
\clef bass
\first-two
\clef treble
\next-two
  }
  \new TabStaff {
\set TabStaff.stringTunings = #linnstrument-fourths
  % No open strings on Linnstrument, first pad is fret 1
  \set TabStaff.minimumFret = #1
 \set TabStaff.restrainOpenStrings = ##t

\first-two \next-two
  }
>>
%%
-


The problem I alluded to in my previous post is that you might well want to
play the half-note chord in measure 3 on row 5 as 2 (frets 16,20),
but LP doesn't seem to support that yet.

There's also an issue if someone wants to arrange the row pitches ascending
from back to front.  I tried that in the string tuning list and LP didn't
do well at keeping the fret numbers low.


Concerning the 3-D pad responses,  the typical mapping is:

Z (pressure) --> loudness
X  --> pitch bend
Y  --> timbre

Those can be handled in standard notation with hairpins for loudness,
 vibrato, slurs, slides etc for pitch bend, and markup for timbre, e.g.
'sul ponte, sul tasto ...'.

Urs Liska  replied:

Your image shows it as I expected. But my question remains: if you want
> that c/e be pressed on one "string" how would you visualize that *at all*?
> Only with a clear idea about that it's possible to consider a *LilyPond*
> implementation.


That's a very good question.  Since a new convention is required I think
it's important to think carefully about what would be most readable and
cause the least conflict with existing conventions.  I'm leaning toward
something very simple, like

---16 20---  whitespace between pad numbers means play simultaneously.

For stemmed tablature, I'd say the stems should attach to the rightmost pad
number for up stems and the leftmost for downstems.

Slurs, I suppose, should extend from the leftmost pad that's musically part
of the slur to the rightmost.

For glissandi, it may be challenging to cover all possibilities.  The
Linnstrument permits a slide from any pad to any other in the same row, so
there's a need to cover cases like sliding from the center note of 3 pads
held down on a row to some other note.
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Linnstrument tablature

[Michael Ellis]

Marc Hohl > wrote:

Am 28.10.2015 um 01:36 schrieb Michael Ellis:

>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Marc Hohl  > wrote:
>
> Wow, looks like a futuristic Chapman stick ;-)
>
>
> Yes, it's been on the market less than a year.  Mine, which came 2
> weeks ago, is #437.  I usually stay away from the bleeding edge but I
> just couldn't resist.
>

Yes, this seems to be an interesting and inspirational tool to create music.

It's the electronic instrument I've always dreamed of designing only
> better thought out.  I also really like the fact that the maker has
> open-sourced the firmware and designed it around the Arduino Due.
>
>
> Are there any examples of how this should look like?
>
> See my reply to Urs


Marc, thanks for noticing I hadn't posted to the list.  Sorry, unfamiliar
email client ...
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Re: Log output

[David Wright]

Quoting Andrew Bernard (andrew.bern...@gmail.com):
> In the output log for lilypond compilation, we see something like this:
> 
> Interpreting music...[8][16][24][32][40][48][56][64]
> 
> What do the numbers refer to? In my score there is no relation to pages or 
> lines or similar. I am asking in as this may be a guide to where the numerous 
> crashes I am seeing with 2.19.30 may be occurring.

Bar numbers AFAICT. Whether they are generated in the same manner as
TeX, I don't know. TeX writes the ] after, say, 7 at the moment it
cuts the page at the end of page 7. You might not be able to wave
goodbye to bar 16 in quite the same way as page 7.

Cheers,
David.

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Re: Linnstrument tablature

[BB]

Sounds interesting. Which midi synth do you use with it?

Regards

On 28.10.2015 15:51, Michael Ellis wrote:

Marc Hohl 
>> wrote:

Am 28.10.2015 um 01:36 schrieb Michael Ellis:


On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Marc Hohl 
>> wrote:

Wow, looks like a futuristic Chapman stick ;-)


Yes, it's been on the market less than a year.  Mine, which came 2
weeks ago, is #437.  I usually stay away from the bleeding edge but I
just couldn't resist.


Yes, this seems to be an interesting and inspirational tool to create 
music.


It's the electronic instrument I've always dreamed of designing only
better thought out.  I also really like the fact that the maker has
open-sourced the firmware and designed it around the Arduino Due.


Are there any examples of how this should look like?

See my reply to Urs


Marc, thanks for noticing I hadn't posted to the list.  Sorry, 
unfamiliar email client ...



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Re: giant font size doesn't increase stem size

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi Mike,

Try : \tweak Stem.length #20 d8

Cheers,
Pierre

2015-10-28 17:02 GMT+01:00 Mike Solomon :

> Hey all,
>
> If I do something like
>
> \once \set fontSize = #10 d8
>
> I get a gigantic flag and note but no (visible) change in the stem.  Is
> there a command that will get the stem bigger too?
> I’m on the latest dev version.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
> MS
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Re: Linnstrument tablature

[Michael Ellis]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:58 AM BB  wrote:

> Sounds interesting. Which midi synth do you use with it?
>
> I'm using Logic Pro X.  It supports Channel Per Note MIDI which is needed
for polyphonically varying control messages.

A list of recommended sound generators is maintained at
http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/linnstrument-recommended-sound-generators.html
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Re: LilyPond initiative in french conservatoires in Paris

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi Mathieu,

Very nice, congrats.
I tried to do such a presentation last year in another Parisian music
conservatory without success (for some reason, the director didn't want it).

Cheers,
Pierre

2015-10-28 12:05 GMT+01:00 Mathieu Demange :

> Hello,
>
> My friend and colleague Aymeric OLIVAUD and I, would like to share the
> result of our (ongoing) work focused on LilyPond. We are two french music
> teachers in Paris and we imagined a form of public workshop/keynote event
> with young students where we'd try to show and explain what is LilyPond but
> also quickly jump into how to actually use it.
>
> http://lilypond.conservatoire-claude-debussy.fr
>
> Here you'll find the result of that event (first video). Even though it's
> in French, we'd be very delighted to hear your feedback about this
> initiative. It has already shown great success as I counted something like
> 40 students now using LilyPond and loving it in the music engraving
> workshop I'm in charge of in conservatoire Claude Debussy.
>
> Yours,
>
> Mathieu
>
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giant font size doesn't increase stem size

[Mike Solomon]

Hey all,

If I do something like

\once \set fontSize = #10 d8 

I get a gigantic flag and note but no (visible) change in the stem.  Is there a 
command that will get the stem bigger too?
I’m on the latest dev version.

Thanks!

Cheers,
MS
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Re: New Staff doesn't go away after end symbol

[Malte Meyn]

Am 28.10.2015 um 20:37 schrieb Ryan Michael:

The following is the snippet that happens *within *my single voice cello
score.

\new Staff <<
   \new Voice = "first"
 { \voiceOne \clef treble
aes8 ges8 16 16 d16  g\harmonic\f r16
aes16
}
   \new Voice= "second"
 { \voiceTwo \clef bass \tuplet 3/2{ r4  r4 } r8 eih8 r16 \xNote
16
}




You don’t create any new staves here, so this can’t be the code that 
produces the score you attached. Please show the correct code or have a 
look at the notation reference (search for “ossia staff”).


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Re: Log output

[David Kastrup]

Andrew Bernard  writes:

> In the output log for lilypond compilation, we see something like this:
>
> Interpreting music...[8][16][24][32][40][48][56][64]
>
> What do the numbers refer to? In my score there is no relation to
> pages or lines or similar. I am asking in as this may be a guide to
> where the numerous crashes I am seeing with 2.19.30 may be occurring.

What is the output with those crashes?

-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: Linnstrument tablature

[David Kastrup]

Michael Ellis  writes:

> The problem I alluded to in my previous post is that you might well
> want to play the half-note chord in measure 3 on row 5 as 2
> (frets 16,20), but LP doesn't seem to support that yet.

It seems to me that the main problem is that paper doesn't support it
either.  Care for making a sketch how you imagine this should look like?

-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: Linnstrument tablature

[Michael Ellis]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 3:11 PM David Kastrup  wrote:

> Michael Ellis  writes:
>
> > The problem I alluded to in my previous post is that you might well
> > want to play the half-note chord in measure 3 on row 5 as 2
> > (frets 16,20), but LP doesn't seem to support that yet.
>
> It seems to me that the main problem is that paper doesn't support it
> either.  Care for making a sketch how you imagine this should look like?
>
>
Here's what I wrote earlier in reply to Urs.

 I'm leaning toward something very simple, like

---16 20---  whitespace between pad numbers means play simultaneously.

For stemmed tablature, I'd say the stems should attach to the rightmost pad
number for up stems and the leftmost for downstems.

Slurs, I suppose, should extend from the leftmost pad that's musically part
of the slur to the rightmost.

For glissandi, it may be challenging to cover all possibilities.  The
Linnstrument permits a slide from any pad to any other in the same row, so
there's a need to cover cases like sliding from the center note of 3 pads
held down on a row to some other note.
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Re: Log output

[Nick Payne]

On 29/10/2015 11:10, Andrew Bernard wrote:

Well, I have 493 bars in the section, and lilypond log output only counts up to 
[64]. That does not seem to be commensurate with the indications being bar 
numbers.


They've always behaved as bar number indications for me. I'm working on 
a piece with 256 bars, and the log shows me:


Parsing...

Interpreting 
music...[8][16][24][32][40][48][56][64][72][80][88][96][104][112][120][128][136][144][152][160][168][176][184][192][200][208][216][224][232][240][248][256]


Preprocessing graphical objects...


etc.


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Re: Log output

[David Wright]

On Thu 29 Oct 2015 at 11:10:49 (+1100), Andrew Bernard wrote:
> Well, I have 493 bars in the section, and lilypond log output only counts up 
> to [64]. That does not seem to be commensurate with the indications being bar 
> numbers.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On 29 Oct 2015, at 01:32, David Wright  wrote:
> 
> Bar numbers AFAICT.

Running the attached gives the following:

~ $ lilypond /tmp/bit.ly
GNU LilyPond 2.18.2
Processing `/tmp/bit.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music...[8][16][24][32][40][48][56][64][72][80][88][96]
[104][112][120][128][136][144][152][160][168][176][184][192][200][208]
[216][224][232][240][248][256][264][272][280][288][296][304][312][320]
[328][336][344][352][360][368][376][384][392][400][408][416][424][432]
[440][448][456][464][472][480][488][496][504][512][520]
Preprocessing graphical objects...
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 2 or 3 pages...
Drawing systems...
Layout output to `bit.ps'...
Converting to `./bit.pdf'...
Success: compilation successfully completed
~ $

It's beyond me to come up with another explanation. I do have some odd
scores that don't yield the full list of numbers expected, but they're
ones that need bringing up-to-date (mainly from 2.10.10) and which
emit warnings/errors.

Is your 493-bar source the one that's crashing?

Cheers,
David.
\version "2.18.2"
\relative {
  c''1
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  \repeat volta 2 {
a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  }
  \alternative {
{
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
}
{
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
}
  }
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
  a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c a b c
}
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Re: New Staff doesn't go away after end symbol

[Noeck]

Hi,

perhaps there are better options, but how about adding \stopStaff after
the last notes in this staff:

>   \new Voice= "second"
> { \voiceTwo \clef bass \tuplet 3/2{ r4  r4 } r8 eih8 r16
> \xNote 16

\stopStaff

> }
>>> >>
> %{
>   At this point I want the new staff to dissapear
> 
> %}

Cheers,
Joram

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\stopStaff bug? [was: Re: New Staff doesn't go away after end symbol]

[Malte Meyn]

I know this problem, IMO it’s a bug. You can work around by putting 
spacer rests after the \stopStaff until the next barline occurs. In your 
case s16*10 if I counted correctly.


Am 28.10.2015 um 21:58 schrieb Ryan Michael:

Thank you. This is almost 100% what I was trying to achieve. The only thing
that remains, if possible, is to remove the printing of the additional clef
symbol below the now solo staff with staff lines. The stop staff stops
printing the staff lines of the new staff, however the score still engraves
and extra staff symbol below each real staff with lines.

Please see attached.



On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Malte Meyn  wrote:




Am 28.10.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Ryan Michael:


On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Malte Meyn 
wrote:




Am 28.10.2015 um 20:37 schrieb Ryan Michael:

The following is the snippet that happens *within *my single voice cello

score.

\new Staff <<
 \new Voice = "first"
   { \voiceOne \clef treble
  aes8 ges8 16 16 d16  g\harmonic\f
r16
aes16
}
 \new Voice= "second"
   { \voiceTwo \clef bass \tuplet 3/2{ r4  r4 } r8 eih8 r16
\xNote
16
}





You don’t create any new staves here, so this can’t be the code that

produces the score you attached. Please show the correct code or have a
look at the notation reference (search for “ossia staff”).

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[(almost) complete code here]



Use \stopStaff for stopping the second staff as Joram suggested. And to
get the music to the correct staves: You wrote

[music …] \new Staff << [upper voice] [lower voice] >> [… music]

This starts a new staff and puts both voices into that staff. The correct
solution is

[music …] << [upper voice] \new Staff { [lower voice] } >> [… music]

This puts the upper voice into the original staff and simultaneously
starts a new staff which contains the lower voice.

Here is the complete, working code:

\version "2.19.28"

cello = \relative c' {
   \set Staff.instrumentName = "Cello"
   \clef treble

   r32 r8 \grace des32
   \tuplet 3/2 {
 ees8  e16\p d16
   }
   fis8 \xNote g16 bes,16

   <<
 {
   \clef treble
   aes8 ges8 16 16 d16  g\harmonic\f r16
aes16
 }
 \new Staff {
   \clef bass \tuplet 3/2{ r4  r4 } r8 eih8 r16
   \xNote 16
   \stopStaff
 }
   >>

   r16
   \tuplet 3/2 8 {
 16  
 16  
   }
}

\score {
   \new StaffGroup {
 \new Staff <<
   \cello
 >>
   }
   \layout { }
   \midi { }

}

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Sibelius 7 to LilyPond Conversion!

[Thomas WillNot]

Hello,

I have a multi-part band score in Sibelius 7 that I have been trying to
convert to LilyPond format. (No, not the original Sibelius 7 for RISC OS,
but rather the newer Sibelius 7.1.3.77 for Microsoft Windows.)

I have exported it into the MusicXML exchange format and attempted to use
the MusicXML2LY program supplied with LilyPond with no luck.
It will read the XML file but then spit out a bunch of complaints, but no
LilyPond file is produced!
I tried splitting a single instrument's part from the main Sibelius file,
then exporting just that and running MusicXML2LY but that didn't even get
rid of any of the errors, never mind produce a file!
I read elsewhere someone having this same problem recently with the same
versions of Sibelius and LilyPond I am using (7.1.3.77 and 2.18.2,
respectively), and they were suggested to try Denemo, which apparently uses
its own methods for conversion and its own of LilyPond.  I'd never used it
before, but I gave it a shot, and it's a really bizzarre program in every
way, especially on Windows, but I figured it out and was able to actually
produce a file!  It does the conversion its own way adding a lot of strange
wrappers, which can be easily removed, however my biggest problem is that
everything is converted in absolute mode.  If I were using the regular
LilyPond MusicXML2LY program, I would simply run it with the -r option, but
I don't see how this can be done in Denemo.
It also adds staccato and other markings with "-\staccato" or "-\markup" - I
don't know the purpose of the hyphen, but it makes the file fail if your
remove Denemo's weird wrappers and other commands.  This should be
changeable with Find & Replace, but still my point is that it'd be nice if
LilyPond 2.18.2's MusicXML2LY just worked! :P

Of course I could manually remove all the octave markings but there are
about seventeen pages of music I'm working with so I'd love to hear of an
easier way.

Thanks,
Thomas


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Re: New Staff doesn't go away after end symbol

[Ryan Michael]

Thank you. This is almost 100% what I was trying to achieve. The only thing
that remains, if possible, is to remove the printing of the additional clef
symbol below the now solo staff with staff lines. The stop staff stops
printing the staff lines of the new staff, however the score still engraves
and extra staff symbol below each real staff with lines.

Please see attached.



On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Malte Meyn  wrote:

>
>
> Am 28.10.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Ryan Michael:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Malte Meyn 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Am 28.10.2015 um 20:37 schrieb Ryan Michael:
>>>
>>> The following is the snippet that happens *within *my single voice cello
 score.

 \new Staff <<
 \new Voice = "first"
   { \voiceOne \clef treble
  aes8 ges8 16 16 d16  g\harmonic\f
 r16
 aes16
 }
 \new Voice= "second"
   { \voiceTwo \clef bass \tuplet 3/2{ r4  r4 } r8 eih8 r16
 \xNote
 16
 }


>
>> You don’t create any new staves here, so this can’t be the code that
>>> produces the score you attached. Please show the correct code or have a
>>> look at the notation reference (search for “ossia staff”).
>>>
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>> [(almost) complete code here]
>>
>
> Use \stopStaff for stopping the second staff as Joram suggested. And to
> get the music to the correct staves: You wrote
>
> [music …] \new Staff << [upper voice] [lower voice] >> [… music]
>
> This starts a new staff and puts both voices into that staff. The correct
> solution is
>
> [music …] << [upper voice] \new Staff { [lower voice] } >> [… music]
>
> This puts the upper voice into the original staff and simultaneously
> starts a new staff which contains the lower voice.
>
> Here is the complete, working code:
>
> \version "2.19.28"
>
> cello = \relative c' {
>   \set Staff.instrumentName = "Cello"
>   \clef treble
>
>   r32 r8 \grace des32
>   \tuplet 3/2 {
> ees8  e16\p d16
>   }
>   fis8 \xNote g16 bes,16
>
>   <<
> {
>   \clef treble
>   aes8 ges8 16 16 d16  g\harmonic\f r16
> aes16
> }
> \new Staff {
>   \clef bass \tuplet 3/2{ r4  r4 } r8 eih8 r16
>   \xNote 16
>   \stopStaff
> }
>   >>
>
>   r16
>   \tuplet 3/2 8 {
> 16  
> 16  
>   }
> }
>
> \score {
>   \new StaffGroup {
> \new Staff <<
>   \cello
> >>
>   }
>   \layout { }
>   \midi { }
>
> }
>
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Re: Sibelius 7 to LilyPond Conversion!

[Michael Gerdau]

[using Sibelius 7.1.3.77 for Microsoft Windows]
> 
> I have exported it into the MusicXML exchange format and attempted to use
> the MusicXML2LY program supplied with LilyPond with no luck.
> It will read the XML file but then spit out a bunch of complaints, but no
> LilyPond file is produced!

I have generally had little to no success with importing Sibelius MusixXML
into LP while it usually works like a charm with those created by Finale.

The few times I imported from Sibelius into Finale it worked ok. Maybe
going from Sibelius via Finale to LP is an option for you ?

Kind regards,
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Re: Sibelius 7 to LilyPond Conversion!

[Jacques Menu]

Hello Thomas,

I’ve done this sometimes on Mac OS X.

If you can send me the .sib file, I can give it a try.

JM

> Le 28 oct. 2015 à 21:24, Thomas WillNot <1137...@acadiau.ca> a écrit :
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a multi-part band score in Sibelius 7 that I have been trying to
> convert to LilyPond format. (No, not the original Sibelius 7 for RISC OS,
> but rather the newer Sibelius 7.1.3.77 for Microsoft Windows.)
> 
> I have exported it into the MusicXML exchange format and attempted to use
> the MusicXML2LY program supplied with LilyPond with no luck.
> It will read the XML file but then spit out a bunch of complaints, but no
> LilyPond file is produced!
> I tried splitting a single instrument's part from the main Sibelius file,
> then exporting just that and running MusicXML2LY but that didn't even get
> rid of any of the errors, never mind produce a file!
> I read elsewhere someone having this same problem recently with the same
> versions of Sibelius and LilyPond I am using (7.1.3.77 and 2.18.2,
> respectively), and they were suggested to try Denemo, which apparently uses
> its own methods for conversion and its own of LilyPond.  I'd never used it
> before, but I gave it a shot, and it's a really bizzarre program in every
> way, especially on Windows, but I figured it out and was able to actually
> produce a file!  It does the conversion its own way adding a lot of strange
> wrappers, which can be easily removed, however my biggest problem is that
> everything is converted in absolute mode.  If I were using the regular
> LilyPond MusicXML2LY program, I would simply run it with the -r option, but
> I don't see how this can be done in Denemo.
> It also adds staccato and other markings with "-\staccato" or "-\markup" - I
> don't know the purpose of the hyphen, but it makes the file fail if your
> remove Denemo's weird wrappers and other commands.  This should be
> changeable with Find & Replace, but still my point is that it'd be nice if
> LilyPond 2.18.2's MusicXML2LY just worked! :P
> 
> Of course I could manually remove all the octave markings but there are
> about seventeen pages of music I'm working with so I'd love to hear of an
> easier way.
> 
> Thanks,
>Thomas
> 
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Re: New Staff doesn't go away after end symbol

[Malte Meyn]

Am 28.10.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Ryan Michael:

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Malte Meyn  wrote:




Am 28.10.2015 um 20:37 schrieb Ryan Michael:


The following is the snippet that happens *within *my single voice cello
score.

\new Staff <<
\new Voice = "first"
  { \voiceOne \clef treble
 aes8 ges8 16 16 d16  g\harmonic\f r16
aes16
}
\new Voice= "second"
  { \voiceTwo \clef bass \tuplet 3/2{ r4  r4 } r8 eih8 r16
\xNote
16
}






You don’t create any new staves here, so this can’t be the code that
produces the score you attached. Please show the correct code or have a
look at the notation reference (search for “ossia staff”).

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[(almost) complete code here]


Use \stopStaff for stopping the second staff as Joram suggested. And to 
get the music to the correct staves: You wrote


[music …] \new Staff << [upper voice] [lower voice] >> [… music]

This starts a new staff and puts both voices into that staff. The 
correct solution is


[music …] << [upper voice] \new Staff { [lower voice] } >> [… music]

This puts the upper voice into the original staff and simultaneously 
starts a new staff which contains the lower voice.


Here is the complete, working code:

\version "2.19.28"

cello = \relative c' {
  \set Staff.instrumentName = "Cello"
  \clef treble

  r32 r8 \grace des32
  \tuplet 3/2 {
ees8  e16\p d16
  }
  fis8 \xNote g16 bes,16

  <<
{
  \clef treble
  aes8 ges8 16 16 d16  g\harmonic\f 
r16 aes16

}
\new Staff {
  \clef bass \tuplet 3/2{ r4  r4 } r8 eih8 r16
  \xNote 16
  \stopStaff
}
  >>

  r16
  \tuplet 3/2 8 {
16  
16  
  }
}

\score {
  \new StaffGroup {
\new Staff <<
  \cello
>>
  }
  \layout { }
  \midi { }
}

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Re: Sibelius 7 to LilyPond Conversion!

[Simon Albrecht]

Hello Thomas,

On 28.10.2015 21:24, Thomas WillNot wrote:

attempted to use
the MusicXML2LY program supplied with LilyPond with no luck.


MusicXML2ly is known to be unreliable and lack maintenance.


It also adds staccato and other markings with "-\staccato" or "-\markup" - I
don't know the purpose of the hyphen, but it makes the file fail if your
remove Denemo's weird wrappers and other commands.


The hyphen marks a post event and is not necessary in this case, but it 
shouldn’t cause problems. Please give a minimal example to show this 
problem.



it'd be nice if
LilyPond 2.18.2's MusicXML2LY just worked! :P


Who would not agree? It would be nice to have someone with the skills 
and will to make it work…



Of course I could manually remove all the octave markings but there are
about seventeen pages of music I'm working with so I'd love to hear of an
easier way.


Have a look at Frescobaldi  – it can convert 
relative <-> absolute mode.


Yours, Simon

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Re: New Staff doesn't go away after end symbol

[Ryan Michael]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Malte Meyn  wrote:

>
>
> Am 28.10.2015 um 20:37 schrieb Ryan Michael:
>
>> The following is the snippet that happens *within *my single voice cello
>> score.
>>
>> \new Staff <<
>>\new Voice = "first"
>>  { \voiceOne \clef treble
>> aes8 ges8 16 16 d16  g\harmonic\f r16
>> aes16
>> }
>>\new Voice= "second"
>>  { \voiceTwo \clef bass \tuplet 3/2{ r4  r4 } r8 eih8 r16
>> \xNote
>> 16
>> }
>>
>>>

> You don’t create any new staves here, so this can’t be the code that
> produces the score you attached. Please show the correct code or have a
> look at the notation reference (search for “ossia staff”).
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cello = \new Voice \relative c' {

  \set Staff.instrumentName = #"Cello"

\clef treble

%{
  A bunch of notes before inserting the new staff

%}

r32 r8 \grace {des32} \tuplet 3/2{
ees8  e16\p d16} fis8 \xNote g16 bes,16

\new Staff <<
  \new Voice = "first"
{ \voiceOne \clef treble
   aes8 ges8 16 16 d16  g\harmonic\f r16 aes16
}
  \new Voice= "second"
{ \voiceTwo \clef bass \tuplet 3/2{ r4  r4 } r8 eih8 r16
\xNote 16
}
>>

%{
  At this point I want the new staff to dissapear

%}


r16 \tuplet 3/2{ 16   } \tuplet 3/2{ 16   }


}

\score {
  \new StaffGroup <<
\new Staff << \global \cello >>
  >>



  \layout { }
  \midi { }
}

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Re: Sibelius 7 to LilyPond Conversion!

[Jacques Menu]

Hello Thomas,

No luck:
- exporting from Sibelius 7.1.3 to MusicXML produces a file, but 
music2xml crashes on it;
- save after importing those exports into Finale 2014 and re-exporting 
as MusicXML.

See below what I get. Things always end with:
raise "More than 1 child", klass

There are messages related to slurs, and it seems Sibelius mixes slurs and ties 
happily…
Could there be such a problem in your Sibelius files?

JM



menu@macbookprojm:~/Desktop > ll *.xml
 488 -rw-r--r--  1 menu  staff   246645 Oct 28 23:14:44 2015 Sleigh Ride 
Official - Trumpet in Bb 1 from Finale 2014.xml
 472 -rw-r--r--  1 menu  staff   239577 Oct 28 23:00:40 2015 Sleigh Ride 
Official - Trumpet in Bb 1.xml
4016 -rw-r--r--  1 menu  staff  2052228 Oct 28 23:14:15 2015 Sleigh Ride 
Official from Finale 2014.xml
4184 -rw-r--r--  1 menu  staff  2140026 Oct 28 23:00:11 2015 Sleigh Ride 
Official.xml



menu@macbookprojm:~/Desktop > musicxml2ly Sleigh\ Ride\ Official\ -\ Trumpet\ 
in\ Bb\ 1.xml
musicxml2ly: Reading MusicXML from Sleigh Ride Official - Trumpet in Bb 1.xml 
...
musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly", line 
2986, in 
main()
  File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly", line 
2981, in main
voices = convert (filename, options)
  File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly", line 
2892, in convert
score = extract_score_structure (mxl_pl, staff_info)
  File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly", line 
430, in extract_score_structure
staff = read_score_part (el)
  File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly", line 
383, in read_score_part
staff.instrument_name = extract_display_text (partname)
  File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly", line 
907, in extract_display_text
child = el.get_maybe_exist_named_child ("display-text")
  File 
"/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/lilypond/current/python/musicxml.py",
 line 114, in get_maybe_exist_named_child
return self.get_maybe_exist_typed_child (get_class (name))
  File 
"/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/lilypond/current/python/musicxml.py",
 line 123, in get_maybe_exist_typed_child
raise "More than 1 child", klass
TypeError: exceptions must be old-style classes or derived from BaseException, 
not str



menu@macbookprojm:~/Desktop > musicxml2ly Sleigh\ Ride\ Official.xml
musicxml2ly: Reading MusicXML from Sleigh Ride Official.xml ...
musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have a slur inside another slur
  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have a slur inside another slur
  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have a slur inside another slur
  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have a slur inside another slur
  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have a slur inside another slur
  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have a slur inside another slur
  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have two simultaneous slurs
  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

musicxml2ly: warning: Encountered closing slur, but no slur is open
  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have two simultaneous slurs
  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

musicxml2ly: warning: Encountered closing slur, but no slur is open
  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

  In: 

musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly", line 
2986, in 
main()
  File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly", line 
2981, in main
voices = convert (filename, options)
  File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly", line 
2892, in convert
score = extract_score_structure (mxl_pl, staff_info)
  File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly", line 
430, in extract_score_structure
staff = read_score_part (el)
  File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly", line 
383, 

Gregorian notation - augmentum problem

[Noeck]

Hi,

I know that the support for Gregorian chant is not the best. But does
anybody know how to solve this:

If I add an \augmentum, the line breaks at this point and the former
part is stretched to fill the line. Can I avoid this?
Here is a small example:

\include "gregorian.ly"
#(set-global-staff-size 40)

music = {
  \repeat unfold 20 a
  % \augmentum
  b
  \repeat unfold 20 a
}
\new VaticanaStaff \music
\new Staff \music

In my real piece (150 lines), the situation is even worse and the line
breaks after the first 1,5 words while usually about 10 words fit into
one line. Adding more \augmentum commands in other places sometimes
solve the issue for others. Unpredictable for me. The worst case was
that the second line did not break anymore and went off the page. I
guess some note value scaling and the requirement that line breaks can
only happen at bar lines?

Next question: Why this grouping by four? Are there invisible bar lines?
\cadenzaOn solves that but now I lack automatic line breaking. Any ideas
to that? Can the spacing be done without any timing just by the need of
the lyrics?

Cheers,
Joram

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\fill-with-pattern does not center when line-width is overridden?

[Federico Bruni]

Hello LilyPonders

I want to reduce the distance between the tocItem text and its page 
number while keeping the list *centered on the page*.

I tried the following but the list is left-aligned:


\version "2.19.29"
\paper {
 tocItemMarkup = \markup \large \column {
   \override #'(line-width . 80)
   \fill-with-pattern #1 #CENTER . \fromproperty #'toc:text 
\fromproperty #'toc:page

   }
}

\markuplist \table-of-contents

{
 \tocItem \markup "Piece 1"
 \tocItem \markup "Piece 2"
 \tocItem \markup "Piece 3"
 \repeat unfold 20 g'1
}


I guess that this is related to what is explained here for line-width:
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/horizontal-spacing-paper-variables#paper-variables-for-widths-and-margins

but I'm not sure how it should work within a \markup block.

Thanks in advance
Federico




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Re: Sibelius 7 to LilyPond Conversion!

[Michael Ellis]

Just a thought: You might have some luck feeding the Sibelius XML to
music21 http://web.mit.edu/music21/doc/systemReference/faq.html and then
re-writing the XML file to feed to musicxml2ly.  Music21 is open source,
fairly powerful, and somewhat Lilypond aware.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:25 PM Jacques Menu  wrote:

> Hello Thomas,
>
> No luck:
> - exporting from Sibelius 7.1.3 to MusicXML produces a file, but
> music2xml crashes on it;
> - save after importing those exports into Finale 2014 and
> re-exporting as MusicXML.
>
> See below what I get. Things always end with:
> raise "More than 1 child", klass
>
> There are messages related to slurs, and it seems Sibelius mixes slurs and
> ties happily…
> Could there be such a problem in your Sibelius files?
>
> JM
>
>
>
> menu@macbookprojm:~/Desktop > ll *.xml
>  488 -rw-r--r--  1 menu  staff   246645 Oct 28 23:14:44 2015 Sleigh Ride
> Official - Trumpet in Bb 1 from Finale 2014.xml
>  472 -rw-r--r--  1 menu  staff   239577 Oct 28 23:00:40 2015 Sleigh Ride
> Official - Trumpet in Bb 1.xml
> 4016 -rw-r--r--  1 menu  staff  2052228 Oct 28 23:14:15 2015 Sleigh Ride
> Official from Finale 2014.xml
> 4184 -rw-r--r--  1 menu  staff  2140026 Oct 28 23:00:11 2015 Sleigh Ride
> Official.xml
>
>
>
> menu@macbookprojm:~/Desktop > musicxml2ly Sleigh\ Ride\ Official\ -\
> Trumpet\ in\ Bb\ 1.xml
> musicxml2ly: Reading MusicXML from Sleigh Ride Official - Trumpet in Bb
> 1.xml ...
> musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly",
> line 2986, in 
> main()
>   File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly",
> line 2981, in main
> voices = convert (filename, options)
>   File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly",
> line 2892, in convert
> score = extract_score_structure (mxl_pl, staff_info)
>   File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly",
> line 430, in extract_score_structure
> staff = read_score_part (el)
>   File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly",
> line 383, in read_score_part
> staff.instrument_name = extract_display_text (partname)
>   File "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/musicxml2ly",
> line 907, in extract_display_text
> child = el.get_maybe_exist_named_child ("display-text")
>   File
> "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/lilypond/current/python/musicxml.py",
> line 114, in get_maybe_exist_named_child
> return self.get_maybe_exist_typed_child (get_class (name))
>   File
> "/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/lilypond/current/python/musicxml.py",
> line 123, in get_maybe_exist_typed_child
> raise "More than 1 child", klass
> TypeError: exceptions must be old-style classes or derived from
> BaseException, not str
>
>
>
> menu@macbookprojm:~/Desktop > musicxml2ly Sleigh\ Ride\ Official.xml
> musicxml2ly: Reading MusicXML from Sleigh Ride Official.xml ...
> musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
> musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
> musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
> musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
> musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
> musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have a slur inside another slur
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
> musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have a slur inside another slur
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
> musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have a slur inside another slur
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
> musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have a slur inside another slur
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
> musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
> musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have a slur inside another slur
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
> musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
> musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have a slur inside another slur
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
> musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
> musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
> musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have two simultaneous slurs
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
> musicxml2ly: warning: Encountered closing slur, but no slur is open
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
> musicxml2ly: warning: Cannot have two simultaneous slurs
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
> musicxml2ly: warning: Encountered closing slur, but no slur is open
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
>   In: 
>
> musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
> musicxml2ly: Converting to LilyPond expressions...
> musicxml2ly: Converting to 

Re: Sibelius 7 to LilyPond Conversion!

[Thomas WillNot]

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all your ideas!
Jacques, I appreciate you trying conversion in Mac OSX, though it looks like
you got the same result as me with those error messages complaining about
having too many children or something.  I don't think anything's wrong with
my Sibelius files, but maybe Sibelius 7's MusicXML converter just isn't very
good.  It is the first version to natively support MusicXML export!
I wish it would just spit something out despite the errors!  I find LilyPond
itself to be very good at doing that as it rarely fails me (unless I mess up
something serious like the nestedness of my brackets or I leave Acrobat
Reader open; then it will freak out of course!)
I think the easiest for me will be just using Denemo since it seems to work
and then use Simon's idea of converting each file to relative mode with
Frescobaldi.

Thanks again,
 Thomas


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Re: LilyPond initiative in french conservatoires in Paris

[Remi Griot]

Hi,
Maybe the private music school (imep, atla...) could be sensitive to this
presentation.
I was an imep student, and there was a lot of home work about arrangement,
so the teacher made a course on Finale...

Le mer. 28 oct. 2015 à 18:38, Pierre Perol-Schneider <
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Hi Mathieu,
>
> Very nice, congrats.
> I tried to do such a presentation last year in another Parisian music
> conservatory without success (for some reason, the director didn't want it).
>
> Cheers,
> Pierre
>
> 2015-10-28 12:05 GMT+01:00 Mathieu Demange :
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> My friend and colleague Aymeric OLIVAUD and I, would like to share the
>> result of our (ongoing) work focused on LilyPond. We are two french music
>> teachers in Paris and we imagined a form of public workshop/keynote event
>> with young students where we'd try to show and explain what is LilyPond but
>> also quickly jump into how to actually use it.
>>
>> http://lilypond.conservatoire-claude-debussy.fr
>>
>> Here you'll find the result of that event (first video). Even though it's
>> in French, we'd be very delighted to hear your feedback about this
>> initiative. It has already shown great success as I counted something like
>> 40 students now using LilyPond and loving it in the music engraving
>> workshop I'm in charge of in conservatoire Claude Debussy.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Mathieu
>>
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Re: \fill-with-pattern does not center when line-width is overridden?

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno gio 29 ott 2015 alle 0:38, Thomas Morley 
 ha scritto:

 tocItemMarkup =
   \markup
 \large
 \fill-line { %% <
   \override #'(line-width . 80)
   \fill-with-pattern #1 #CENTER .
 \fromproperty #'toc:text
 \fromproperty #'toc:page
 }


Ah ok, \fill-line instead of \column.
Thanks!





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Re: Log output

[Andrew Bernard]

Well, I have 493 bars in the section, and lilypond log output only counts up to 
[64]. That does not seem to be commensurate with the indications being bar 
numbers.

Andrew

On 29 Oct 2015, at 01:32, David Wright  wrote:

Bar numbers AFAICT. 

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editors

[Flaming Hakama by Elaine]

Among the recent threads that nearly touched off another editor war, I
wanted to mention that I've recently switched from using emacs to sublime
text.  (Although I still use emacs for complicated macros.)

I was happy to find this sublime text package for Lilypond, and wanted to
let others know about it if you were not already familiar.  Not sure if the
author is on this list or not.
https://github.com/yrammos/SubLilyPond by Yannis Rammos
.

It has been a good start, and I suspect it could be improved by adding
bindings that aren't in my theme.


Also, I was curious if anyone has any experience or reviews about the new
microsoft offering.
Staffpad for Surface https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_PgKyqE3RU

Wouldn't it be nice to enter music by hand?



Cheers,

David Elaine Alt
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Re: \fill-with-pattern does not center when line-width is overridden?

[Thomas Morley]

2015-10-28 23:41 GMT+01:00 Federico Bruni :
> Hello LilyPonders
>
> I want to reduce the distance between the tocItem text and its page number
> while keeping the list *centered on the page*.
> I tried the following but the list is left-aligned:
>
>
> \version "2.19.29"

\paper {
 tocItemMarkup =
   \markup
 \large
 \fill-line { %% <
   \override #'(line-width . 80)
   \fill-with-pattern #1 #CENTER .
 \fromproperty #'toc:text
 \fromproperty #'toc:page
 }
}


>
> \markuplist \table-of-contents
>
> {
>  \tocItem \markup "Piece 1"
>  \tocItem \markup "Piece 2"
>  \tocItem \markup "Piece 3"
>  \repeat unfold 20 g'1
> }

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Re: Log output

[Andrew Bernard]

Please refer to lilypond bug mailing list.

On 29 Oct 2015, at 06:12, David Kastrup  wrote:

What is the output with those crashes?


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