Re: Piano centered lyrics does't go to the right place.

[Simon Albrecht]

Hello Fan,

On 02.03.2016 04:36, Fan Hongtao wrote:

I use the template
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/learning/piano-centered-lyrics

trying to engrave “Ten little Indian boys". The lyrics does't go to 
the right place.

It looks like the lyrics can only match upper notes.


first a small remark: You should use proper lyric hyphens, as in the 
following examples.
On your actual problem: there are two possibilities. Either you stick 
with one Lyrics context and change its associatedVoice (as in ten1.ly), 
or you add another Lyrics context (as in ten2.ly).


HTH, Simon
\version "2.18.2"

upper = \relative c'' {
  \clef treble
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4

  e4 g8 g e4 c |
  r1 |
}

lower = \relative c {
  \clef bass
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4

  r1 |
  d'4 d8 d d4 d8 d |
}

text = \lyricmode {
  Three lit -- tle In -- \set associatedVoice = "lower" dians, |
  Four lit -- tle, Five lit -- tle, |  % How to show this?
}

\score {
  \new GrandStaff <<
\new Staff = "upper" { \new Voice = "singer" \upper }
\new Staff = "lower" { \new Voice = "lower" \lower }
\new Lyrics \with { alignBelowContext = "upper" } \lyricsto "singer" \text
  >>
  \layout {
\context {
  \GrandStaff
  \accepts "Lyrics"
}
\context {
  \Lyrics
  \consists "Bar_engraver"
}
  }
  \midi { }
}\version "2.18.2"

upper = \relative c'' {
  \clef treble
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4

  e4 g8 g e4 c |
  r1 |
}

lower = \relative c {
  \clef bass
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4

  r1 |
  d'4 d8 d d4 d8 d |
}

text = \lyricmode {
  Three lit -- tle In -- dians, |
}
textTwo = \lyricmode {
  Four lit -- tle, Five lit -- tle, |
}

\score {
  \new GrandStaff <<
\new Staff = "upper" { \new Voice = "singer" \upper }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "singer" \text
\new Staff = "lower" { \new Voice = "lower" \lower }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "lower" \textTwo
  >>
  \layout {
\context {
  \GrandStaff
  \accepts "Lyrics"
}
\context {
  \Lyrics
  \consists "Bar_engraver"
  \override BarLine.transparent = ##t
}
  }
  \midi { }
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fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Thomas Scharkowski]

\version "2.19.36"
{
   \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left right)
   
}

gives right-orientated fingerings.
Is this intended?

Thomas

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Text spanner end note

[Andrew Bernard]

I am writing a custom text spanner in Scheme with my own stencil, to have 
markup text on each end centred, precisely in relation to the centre of the 
note column that the text spanner starts and ends on. In Scheme, I am able to 
get the parent of the text spanner grob and compute the position of the centre 
of the note column for the first note, the start of the text spanner. I do not 
know how to find out the note column properties of the last note that the 
spanner encompasses. How can this be done?

It’s hard to post a code example, since I have no idea how to approach this, 
sorry.

Andrew



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Re: Text spanner end note

[Andrew Bernard]

It’s OK – the function I need is ly:spanner-bound, which can be requested to 
return the left or the right bound of the spanner exactly as needed.

Apologies for the noise.

Memo to self – study all the functions, then study them again, then read them 
all again. Repeat unfold 8.

Andrew



On 2/03/2016, 22:05, "Andrew Bernard"  wrote:

I am writing a custom text spanner in Scheme with my own stencil…

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fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Thomas Scharkowski]

\version "2.19.36"
{
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left right)
  
}

gives right-orientated fingerings.
Is this intended?

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fonts.openlilylib.org

[Daniel Contreras]

Hello everyone,
I'm sorry if someone has already said this information, but does anyone know 
where this website went? Thank you in advance for any info.

Daniel Contreras 
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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[David Kastrup]

Thomas Scharkowski  writes:

> \version "2.19.36"
> {
>   \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left right)
>   
> }
>
> gives right-orientated fingerings.
> Is this intended?

Why wouldn't it be intended?  You give LilyPond the choice of putting
them right, and LilyPond avails itself of that option.  If that is not
what you want, remove the "right" and LilyPond will put the fingerings
left.

-- 
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Re: fonts.openlilylib.org

[tisimst]

Daniel,

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:24 AM, Daniel Contreras [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n187942...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I'm sorry if someone has already said this information, but does anyone
> know where this website went? Thank you in advance for any info.
>

I have been in the process of moving the content from fonts.openlilylib.org
to a new site and it has just taken me lots longer than expected. I've
discovered lots of necessary related tasks that I didn't anticipate at the
start and life keeps throwing things in my way to slow my progress. I'll
make a formal announcement here when the new site is up and running. Thanks
for your patience and sorry for the silence.

Best,
Abraham




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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Thomas Scharkowski]

 Original-Nachricht 

Thomas Scharkowski  writes:


\version "2.19.36"
{
   \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left right)
   
}

gives right-orientated fingerings.
Is this intended?


Why wouldn't it be intended?  You give LilyPond the choice of putting
them right, and LilyPond avails itself of that option.  If that is not
what you want, remove the "right" and LilyPond will put the fingerings
left.

I'd like to reproduce an example from Napoleon Coste, Méthode complète 
pour la Guitare... (No. 28 of "31 LEÇONS ET EXERCICES", last but one chord).

So right AND left side is not possible, if I understand you correctly.

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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Thomas Scharkowski]

 Original-Nachricht 

Thomas Scharkowski  writes:


\version "2.19.36"
{
   \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left right)
   
}

gives right-orientated fingerings.
Is this intended?


Why wouldn't it be intended?  You give LilyPond the choice of putting
them right, and LilyPond avails itself of that option.  If that is not
what you want, remove the "right" and LilyPond will put the fingerings
left.

I'd like to reproduce an example from Napoleon Coste, Méthode complète 
pour la Guitare... (No. 28 of "31 LEÇONS ET EXERCICES", last but one chord).

So right AND left side is not possible, if I understand you correctly.

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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi Thomas,

Try:

\version "2.19.36"
{
   \clef "G_8"
   \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
   
}

Cheers,
Pierre

2016-03-02 15:16 GMT+01:00 Thomas Scharkowski :

>  Original-Nachricht 
>
>> Thomas Scharkowski  writes:
>>
>> \version "2.19.36"
>>> {
>>>\set fingeringOrientations = #'(left right)
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>> gives right-orientated fingerings.
>>> Is this intended?
>>>
>>
>> Why wouldn't it be intended?  You give LilyPond the choice of putting
>> them right, and LilyPond avails itself of that option.  If that is not
>> what you want, remove the "right" and LilyPond will put the fingerings
>> left.
>>
>> I'd like to reproduce an example from Napoleon Coste, Méthode complète
> pour la Guitare... (No. 28 of "31 LEÇONS ET EXERCICES", last but one
> chord).
> So right AND left side is not possible, if I understand you correctly.
>
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Impossible or ambiguous (de)crescendo in MIDI.

[Graham King]

I'm trying to eradicate numerous "Impossible or ambiguous (de)crescendo
in MIDI" errors from a large score, and two problems arise:

1) I'm finding it hard to locate the source of these errors.  So far,
I've tried:

  * searching the source for all dynamic changes ending with \! and
converting this to -\omit\mf (or some other suitable dynamic;
  * then sort-of-bisecting the problem by suppressing each part in
turn,
  * then visually inspecting the source for unterminated crescendos
and decrescendos.

But it is still not easy to run the errors to ground.
Is there some better tactic for locating their cause?  (I note some
previous discussion on this list[1], and issue 3945[2])

2) The second problem arose when I finally tracked down one such error.
Here's the minimal example:

\version "2.19.35"

music = \relative {
  c''2\p\< c |
  c1\fz\>%-\omit\mf |
  c\p  |
}

\score {
  \music
}

\score {
  \music
  \midi {}
}


As it stands, this gives two of these error messages.  If I try to
suppress them by uncommenting "-\omit/mf" I get the following errors in
addition:

5:10: warning: Two simultaneous absolute-dynamic events, junking
this one
  c1\fz\>
 -\omit\mf |
5:5: warning: Previous absolute-dynamic event here
  c1
\fz\>-\omit\mf |

Is there a magic spell to soothe lilypond in these circumstances?  It
might seem like nit-picking, but there are so many of these errors in
the score that they are obscuring other, more important, messages.

Notes:
[1] For example,
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2014-05/msg00648.html
{2} At the time of writing, this may be found at
https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/3945/ 
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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Simon Albrecht]

On 02.03.2016 15:17, Thomas Scharkowski wrote:

 Original-Nachricht 

Thomas Scharkowski  writes:


\version "2.19.36"
{
   \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left right)
   
}

gives right-orientated fingerings.
Is this intended?


Why wouldn't it be intended?  You give LilyPond the choice of putting
them right, and LilyPond avails itself of that option.  If that is not
what you want, remove the "right" and LilyPond will put the fingerings
left.

I'd like to reproduce an example from Napoleon Coste, Méthode complète 
pour la Guitare... (No. 28 of "31 LEÇONS ET EXERCICES", last but one 
chord).


Would you mind giving us a link, or better, an image?

So right AND left side is not possible, if I understand you correctly. 


The question is whether it’s _sensible_. There are many things out there 
which LilyPond doesn’t (easily) allow to do, in order to stay within the 
bounds of good typography and legibility.
What do you mean by right /and/ left side? I assume it’s not about 
printing the fingerings twice. Placing fingerings both on the right and 
left sides of chords is not advisable, because it will be difficult to 
discern which fingering belongs to which chord (except in very loose 
spacing). So I think you should take the liberty to deviate from your model.


Best, Simon

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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi Simon,

2016-03-02 15:41 GMT+01:00 Simon Albrecht :


> The question is whether it’s _sensible_. There are many things out there
> which LilyPond doesn’t (easily) allow to do, in order to stay within the
> bounds of good typography and legibility.
> What do you mean by right /and/ left side? I assume it’s not about
> printing the fingerings twice. Placing fingerings both on the right and
> left sides of chords is not advisable, because it will be difficult to
> discern which fingering belongs to which chord (except in very loose
> spacing). So I think you should take the liberty to deviate from your model.
>
>
This is actually pretty common in guitar scores. I'm facing to a Murcia
book published by Scheit in 2010 where I can find dozens of examples.
In Thomas particular case I think 'very loose spacing' is the reason why.

Cheers,
Pierre
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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Thomas Scharkowski]

 Original-Nachricht 

On 02.03.2016 15:17, Thomas Scharkowski wrote:

 Original-Nachricht 

Thomas Scharkowski  writes:


\version "2.19.36"
{
\set fingeringOrientations = #'(left right)

}

gives right-orientated fingerings.
Is this intended?


Why wouldn't it be intended?  You give LilyPond the choice of putting
them right, and LilyPond avails itself of that option.  If that is not
what you want, remove the "right" and LilyPond will put the fingerings
left.


I'd like to reproduce an example from Napoleon Coste, Méthode complète
pour la Guitare... (No. 28 of "31 LEÇONS ET EXERCICES", last but one
chord).


Would you mind giving us a link, or better, an image?


Here is a link:
http://www2.kb.dk/elib/noder/rischel/RiBS0790.pdf

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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Well, here's a possibility:

\version "2.19.36"

\new Staff <<
  \clef "G_8"
  \new Voice {
\voiceOne
4 d'\rest  d'\rest
  }
  \new Voice {
\voiceTwo
\set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
4 e\rest d e\rest
  }
  \new Voice {
 \voiceThree
 \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
 4 s
 \stemDown
 \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
 \once\override Fingering.staff-padding = #'()
 \once\override NoteColumn.force-hshift = #0
 
 s
  }
>>

and, of course, you can offsets fingerings to adjsut them as you like.
Cheers,
Pierre

2016-03-02 15:59 GMT+01:00 Thomas Scharkowski :

>  Original-Nachricht 
>
>> On 02.03.2016 15:17, Thomas Scharkowski wrote:
>>
>>>  Original-Nachricht 
>>>
 Thomas Scharkowski  writes:

 \version "2.19.36"
> {
> \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left right)
> 
> }
>
> gives right-orientated fingerings.
> Is this intended?
>

 Why wouldn't it be intended?  You give LilyPond the choice of putting
 them right, and LilyPond avails itself of that option.  If that is not
 what you want, remove the "right" and LilyPond will put the fingerings
 left.

 I'd like to reproduce an example from Napoleon Coste, Méthode complète
>>> pour la Guitare... (No. 28 of "31 LEÇONS ET EXERCICES", last but one
>>> chord).
>>>
>>
>> Would you mind giving us a link, or better, an image?
>>
>> Here is a link:
> http://www2.kb.dk/elib/noder/rischel/RiBS0790.pdf
>
> Thomas
>
>
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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Typo, here again:

\version "2.19.36"

\new Staff <<
  \clef "G_8"
  \new Voice {
\voiceOne
4 d'\rest  d'\rest
  }
  \new Voice {
\voiceTwo
\set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
4 e\rest d e\rest
  }
  \new Voice {
 \voiceThree
 \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
 4 s
 \stemDown
 \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
 \once\override Fingering.staff-padding = #'()
 \once\override NoteColumn.force-hshift = #0
 
 s
  }
>>

2016-03-02 16:10 GMT+01:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider <
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com>:

> Well, here's a possibility:
>
> \version "2.19.36"
>
> \new Staff <<
>   \clef "G_8"
>   \new Voice {
> \voiceOne
> 4 d'\rest  d'\rest
>   }
>   \new Voice {
> \voiceTwo
> \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
> 4 e\rest d e\rest
>   }
>   \new Voice {
>  \voiceThree
>  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
>  4 s
>  \stemDown
>  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
>  \once\override Fingering.staff-padding = #'()
>  \once\override NoteColumn.force-hshift = #0
>  
>  s
>   }
> >>
>
> and, of course, you can offsets fingerings to adjsut them as you like.
> Cheers,
> Pierre
>
> 2016-03-02 15:59 GMT+01:00 Thomas Scharkowski :
>
>>  Original-Nachricht 
>>
>>> On 02.03.2016 15:17, Thomas Scharkowski wrote:
>>>
  Original-Nachricht 

> Thomas Scharkowski  writes:
>
> \version "2.19.36"
>> {
>> \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left right)
>> 
>> }
>>
>> gives right-orientated fingerings.
>> Is this intended?
>>
>
> Why wouldn't it be intended?  You give LilyPond the choice of putting
> them right, and LilyPond avails itself of that option.  If that is not
> what you want, remove the "right" and LilyPond will put the fingerings
> left.
>
> I'd like to reproduce an example from Napoleon Coste, Méthode complète
 pour la Guitare... (No. 28 of "31 LEÇONS ET EXERCICES", last but one
 chord).

>>>
>>> Would you mind giving us a link, or better, an image?
>>>
>>> Here is a link:
>> http://www2.kb.dk/elib/noder/rischel/RiBS0790.pdf
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>>
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Re: fonts.openlilylib.org

[Noeck]

Hi Abraham,

would it be an option to put the old site back up again until the new
one is online? I am just asking as several people have asked where it
went already.

Best,
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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Thomas Scharkowski]

 Original-Nachricht 

Typo, here again:

\version "2.19.36"

\new Staff <<
   \clef "G_8"
   \new Voice {
 \voiceOne
 4 d'\rest  d'\rest
   }
   \new Voice {
 \voiceTwo
 \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
 4 e\rest d e\rest
   }
   \new Voice {
  \voiceThree
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
  4 s
  \stemDown
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
  \once\override Fingering.staff-padding = #'()
  \once\override NoteColumn.force-hshift = #0
  
  s
   }


Thank you Pierre,

I was aware of the possibilities to tweak the fingering positions - just 
wanted to be sure LilyPond doesn't provide more simple solution.

As you wrote: "This is actually pretty common in guitar scores".

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Fwd: Re: fonts.openlilylib.org

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Forwarding to the list...

 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff: Re: fonts.openlilylib.org
Datum: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 12:05:25 -0600
Von: Daniel Contreras 


And or if someone has the latest version of the lilyjazz font I would
appreciate that.

Daniel Contreras


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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Noeck]

> Here is a link:
> http://www2.kb.dk/elib/noder/rischel/RiBS0790.pdf
> 
> Thomas 

I am curious, could you point me to a place where this left+right
positioning can be seen in the pdf? I could only see fingerings on the
left while skimming over it.

Cheers,
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Re: Re: fonts.openlilylib.org

[tisimst]

I've sent Daniel the files. Thanks!

- Abraham

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Noeck [via Lilypond] <
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> Datum: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 12:05:25 -0600
> Von: Daniel Contreras <[hidden email]
> >
>
>
> And or if someone has the latest version of the lilyjazz font I would
> appreciate that.
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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi Joram,

Take a look at p.14 exerc.28
See enclosed pic.

Cheers,
Pierre

2016-03-02 19:16 GMT+01:00 Noeck :

>
> > Here is a link:
> > http://www2.kb.dk/elib/noder/rischel/RiBS0790.pdf
> >
> > Thomas
>
> I am curious, could you point me to a place where this left+right
> positioning can be seen in the pdf? I could only see fingerings on the
> left while skimming over it.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

g minor key (I forgot to put it in my snippet)

2016-03-02 19:34 GMT+01:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider <
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com>:

> Hi Joram,
>
> Take a look at p.14 exerc.28
> See enclosed pic.
>
> Cheers,
> Pierre
>
> 2016-03-02 19:16 GMT+01:00 Noeck :
>
>>
>> > Here is a link:
>> > http://www2.kb.dk/elib/noder/rischel/RiBS0790.pdf
>> >
>> > Thomas
>>
>> I am curious, could you point me to a place where this left+right
>> positioning can be seen in the pdf? I could only see fingerings on the
>> left while skimming over it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Joram
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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Noeck]

> Hi Joram,
> 
> Take a look at p.14 exerc.28
> See enclosed pic.

I see. Thanks. That is a chord where I understand why the fingering is
notated in such a way. I would still put it on one side only.

Best,
Joram

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TextSpanner text x-alignment

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi all,

It appears that the X-alignment of the text of a TextSpanner can be adjusted in 
multiple ways, including [at least] #’X, #'attach-dir and #’padding. Meanwhile, 
#’stencil-align-dir-X doesn’t seem to have any effect.

My question is: considering all the spacing ramifications (e.g., collisions, 
etc.), what would be the best/recommended way to tweak the X-alignment of the 
text [at either end] of a TextSpanner?

Thanks,
Kieren.


Kieren MacMillan, composer
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
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Re: Impossible or ambiguous (de)crescendo in MIDI.

[Graham King]

On Wed, 2016-03-02 at 14:37 +, Graham King wrote:

> Is there a magic spell to soothe lilypond in these circumstances?  It
> might seem like nit-picking, but there are so many of these errors in
> the score that they are obscuring other, more important, messages.

Brian Barker has kindly answered this part of the problem, off-list,
with:

#(ly:expect-warning "Impossible or ambiguous (de)crescendo in
MIDI")

which suppresses the messages, one at a time, and also provides a
convenient way to mark their cause at source in the lilypond code.
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Re: Impossible or ambiguous (de)crescendo in MIDI.

[Simon Albrecht]

On 02.03.2016 21:21, Graham King wrote:

On Wed, 2016-03-02 at 14:37 +, Graham King wrote:
Is there a magic spell to soothe lilypond in these circumstances?  It 
might seem like nit-picking, but there are so many of these errors in 
the score that they are obscuring other, more important, messages.

Brian Barker has kindly answered this part of the problem, off-list, with:

#(ly:expect-warning "Impossible or ambiguous (de)crescendo in MIDI")

which suppresses the messages, one at a time, and also provides a 
convenient way to mark their cause at source in the lilypond code. 


Even more convenient is writing
#(ly:expect-warning "Impossible")
which works as well.

Best, Simon

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The Henle Library app - how it works

[Sharon Rosner]

Hi all,

There has been some discussion about the new Henle Library app and
speculation as to how they achieve dynamic layout. It turns out they have
developed a tool to split their scores into individual staves, and then 
compose them again with varying space between the staves, and with the
ability to omit parts, and add fingering layers.

So no magic there, in terms of dynamic layout:

  
http://www.henle.de/blog/en/2016/02/26/the-henle-library-app-behind-the-scenes-%E2%80%93-part-i/

  

Sharon



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Re: fingeringOrientations = #'( left right ) not possible?

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Well, this is your choice as an editor.
Mine would be not to put any (since there is no other possibility).
Now, as a publisher I'd vote for Thomas choice to keep Coste' clear
fingering placement since this scale/exercise is for a beginner.

Cheers,
Pierre

2016-03-02 20:30 GMT+01:00 Noeck :

>
> > Hi Joram,
> >
> > Take a look at p.14 exerc.28
> > See enclosed pic.
>
> I see. Thanks. That is a chord where I understand why the fingering is
> notated in such a way. I would still put it on one side only.
>
> Best,
> Joram
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Compiling Twice on a Single Page

[Sam Bivens]

Hi everyone,

Attached is a MWE that you can mostly ignore: it's just c'1 on 8.5x5.5in 
paper (the top half of a sheet of letter paper).


My question is whether or not it's possible, with a single .ly file, to 
compile this twice on a single sheet of 8.5x11in letter paper; once on 
the top half, once on the bottom. Ideally both halves of the paper would 
include everything: header, footer, score (obviously), etc.


Obviously this is easy enough to do both at a copy machine and in 
something like Inkscape, but it'd be great to automate it. I've looked 
through the manual and archives, but I haven't found anything; hopefully 
I didn't miss anything obvious.


Thanks!

Sam
\version "2.19.36"

#(set! paper-alist (cons '("my size" . (cons (* 8.5 in) (* 5.5 in))) paper-alist))

\paper {
  #(set-paper-size "my size")
}

\header {
  title = "Test"
}

{
  c'1
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Re: install frescoba 2.18.2 in Ubuntu

[David Wright]

On Sun 28 Feb 2016 at 08:29:52 (+0100), Bernard wrote:
> Hi Noeck,
> 
> Second reply, I was not reading to careful.
> 
> http://lilypond.org/unix.html before? There is a small "Install"
> section. What was missing for you?
> 
> Yes I saw that, but it was missing install from shell. I really
> prefer using apt-get because I have bad experience  with download
> and install because of the depencies hell.
> So the message should be "do not us use apt-get because you will
> retrieve probably version 2.16.2"
> But even better, use a apt-get ppa repository, this you keep u to
> date your self, without being dependant of Debian.

I'm not sure what Debian has to do with all this. I thought you were
using ubuntu (in the subject line).

The current (jessie/stable) version of LilyPond (LP) is 2.18.2.
The current (jessie/stable) version of Frescobaldi (F) is 2.0.13.

AIUI there is no LP version dependency of Debian's F 2.0.13:
Depends: python (>= 2.7), python (<< 2.8), lilypond, python-poppler-qt4, 
python-qt4, python-pypm, tango-icon-theme

I have tried out Debian's F with lilypond.org's LP 2.19.36 with no
problems AFAICT.

> Like : https://launchpad.net/~frescobaldi/+archive/ubuntu/ppa (but
> the status is unknown, and out of date)
> 
> This info is inconsistent with the Frescobaldi info, and my
> assumption was Frescobaldi was correct. Which was wrong.
> 
> - Should it mention the --prefix option?
> 
> It would help, for me that was not crucial.
> 
> - Should it mention that you can have several versions installed in
>   parallel?
> 
> Yes it sure does. Because I had version 2.16.2 was installed and
> Frescobaldi urge to uninstall previous version of python-ly because
> it can cause inconsistency. Unfortunately I can not recall where I
> found that info.

This is presumably F-speak. AFAIK Debian has only packaged this as
python3-ly and it's not in jessie/stable. This may be why the latter's
version of F is old.

> - Was only the Frescobaldi settings part new to you? Should it be
>   mentioned?
> 
> Yes it would. Installing Frescobaldi does install Lilypond, which is
> very convenient, if it was the correct Lilypond version.
> Frescobaldi should mention only the old version is installed, and go
> the the Lilypond website for info how to install Lilypond 2.18.2.

It's not clear to me what is meant by "correct LP version" or
"Frescobaldi should mention...". Earlier in the thread, Joram points
to http://lilypond.org/unix.html and implies that he has something to
do with its maintenance. (See below.) But that's for LP. There's also
http://frescobaldi.org/download which has instructions about
installing F's dependencies. Is that the page you wish to improve?
If so, you have to bear in mind that people's idea of "correct LP
version" could vary widely.

On that page, there is a link to http://frescobaldi.org/links#distros
which seems to be very out of date. For example it mentions
Debian "testing" with a link to
http://packages.debian.org/nl/squeeze/editors/frescobaldi
That's about six years or three distributions out of date.

I can't find any statement that says you don't need a specific version
of LP to install with a given version of F. It just so happens that at
the moment the stable version of LP (2.18.2) is the same as the
stable version of F (2.18.2 since December 26th, 2015). Perhaps
this is all the more reason to point out that LP from 2.16 to 2.19
will all run with F 2.18.2 (and older versions too).

> On 27-02-16 19:11, Noeck wrote:
> >Hi Bernard,
> >
> >Am 27.02.2016 um 18:54 schrieb Bernard:
> >>Wow, Joram. Thank you very much. Did this work.
> >Glad it helped you.
> >
> >>Update the installation documentation with your info would help very much.
> >There was a similar question just a few days ago, so I take this request
> >for improvement seriously. Did you find the Linux download page
> >http://lilypond.org/unix.html before? There is a small "Install"
> >section. What was missing for you?
> >
> >- Should it mention the --prefix option?
> >- Should it mention that you can have several versions installed in
> >   parallel?
> >- Was only the Frescobaldi settings part new to you? Should it be
> >   mentioned?

Cheers,
David.

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Re: Compiling Twice on a Single Page

[David Wright]

On Wed 02 Mar 2016 at 23:50:00 (-0500), Sam Bivens wrote:

> My question is whether or not it's possible, with a single .ly file,
> to compile this twice on a single sheet of 8.5x11in letter paper;
> once on the top half, once on the bottom. Ideally both halves of the
> paper would include everything: header, footer, score (obviously),
> etc.
> 
> Obviously this is easy enough to do both at a copy machine and in
> something like Inkscape, but it'd be great to automate it. I've
> looked through the manual and archives, but I haven't found
> anything; hopefully I didn't miss anything obvious.

If you're generating PDF output, you can forget trying to do it in
LilyPond and use PDF-oriented tools instead; in this case
specifically, pdfjam. This will handle any sort of 2-up, 3-up, 4-up,
8-up (that's as small as I've gone) in any sort of orientation. I use
pdfjam for producing handbills from posters, collating programmes,
constructing pages like yours, with shifting and scaling
etc. Invaluable for scans too.

You can complement pdfjam with pdftk which does all the jobs that
pdfjam doesn't: bursting/recollating, masking and merging and
so on. With those two tools, you can do just about anything
with PDFs and you will wonder how you ever survived without them.

A quick demonstration with these two commands (each written on one
line) and an A6 page from a dance programme is attached.

$ pdfjam --trim '-8mm 0mm -8mm 0mm' --nup '2x1' --no-landscape
--noautoscale 'true' --scale 1 --papersize '{210mm,148.5mm}' --outfile
/tmp/sidebyside.pdf /tmp/a-page.pdf 1,1

$ pdfjam --trim '-8mm 0mm -8mm 0mm' --nup '1x2' --no-landscape
--noautoscale 'true' --scale 1 --papersize '{90mm,276mm}' --outfile
/tmp/topoverbottom.pdf /tmp/a-page.pdf 1,1

Cheers,
David.


a-page.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


sidebyside.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


topoverbottom.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
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