Re: "Unconnected" simultaenous staff groups

[Lukas-Fabian Moser]

But now I'd like to have the same not for staves but for piano staves/staff
groups: Several piano staves, each of which has its own SystemStartBar (but
the SystemStartBars themselves should not be connected to each other). In
the following example, the SystemStartBar is missing in both piano staves:


\version "2.19.80"

\layout {
   \context {
 \Score
 \omit SystemStartBar
   }
}

<<
   \new PianoStaff <<
 \new Staff a4
 \new Staff a4
   >>
   \new PianoStaff <<
 \new Staff a4
 \new Staff a4
   >>

Likely:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/snippets/staff-notation#staff-notation-vertical-aligned-staffgroups-without-connecting-systemstartbar
This is great! Thanks much! Quite clever actually, turning one extra 
brace/bracket into a bar line ...


Here, for the sake of completeness, is the solution that works for Piano 
Staves (and is reduced to the strictly necessary):


\version "2.19.80"

\layout {
  \context {
    \PianoStaff
 systemStartDelimiterHierarchy =
 #'(SystemStartBracket (SystemStartBrace a b))
  }
  \context {
    \Score
    \override SystemStartBracket.style = #'bar-line
    \override SystemStartBracket.padding = #-0.1
    \override SystemStartBracket.thickness = #1.6
    \omit SystemStartBar
  }
}

<<
  \new PianoStaff <<
    \new Staff a4
    \new Staff a4
  >>
  \new PianoStaff <<
    \new Staff a4
    \new Staff a4
  >>
>>

Best
Lukas

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Re: How to resize a piano staff?

[Malte Meyn]

Am 24.10.2017 um 19:10 schrieb Caagr98:

Using \magnifyStaff on the PianoStaff context gives the following error:
/usr/share/lilypond/2.19.65/scm/music-functions.scm:2513:19: In procedure 
ly:context-property in expression (ly:context-property Staff (quote 
magnifyStaffValue)):
/usr/share/lilypond/2.19.65/scm/music-functions.scm:2513:19: Wrong type 
argument in position 1 (expecting Context): #f

Using \magnifyStaff on the two constituent staves causes an uncomfortably large 
gap between the staves.

What's the best way to do this?


Do you have other instruments? If no, just use set-global-staff-size. If 
yes, use \magnifyStaff on both staves and try \overriding 
StaffGrouper.staff-staff-spacing in the PianoStaff.


See here for details: http://joramberger.de/files/LilypondSpacing.pdf

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LilyJazz 2.0

[Curt]

Hi everyone!

About two weeks ago I was struggling to figure out how to get lilyjazz 
installed. Due to the recent changes with lilypond’s fonts, many of the 
instructions online were out of date, and the downloadable versions of the font 
were out of date and had incomplete instructions. 

Abraham was nice enough to give me the most up-to-date version, and 
instructions. As a result of that, I’ve issued a “pull request” to the git 
repository that had the previous version of the font. The PR is basically the 
contents of what Abraham sent me - the updated fonts, documentation, up-to-date 
stylesheets, and examples. Abraham has also looked over the PR and approved its 
accuracy.

https://github.com/OpenLilyPondFonts/lilyjazz/pull/2

If this can be approved by the maintainer of OpenLilyPondFonts (Steve Lacy?), 
then we will have a publicly available latest version of LilyJazz.

With this release, I am also hopeful we can update the other parts of the 
website that have out of date information:

http://lilypondblog.org/2013/09/lilypond-and-lilyjazz/
http://lilypondblog.org/2014/09/lilyponds-look-and-feel/

In addition, the lyp-packages (Sharon?) lilyjazz package could be updated to 
use the newer font files:
https://github.com/lyp-packages/lilyjazz

Finally, I could have sworn that I saw references to defunct previous website 
of the font, perhaps to fonts.openlilylib.org, on the lilypond official 
documentation, perhaps the changelog… but I cannot seem to find it now, so 
maybe that has been fixed already.

Thanks!
Curt


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Re: Suggestions for page layout

[Peter Chubb]

> "David" == David Wright  writes:

David> On Wed 25 Oct 2017 at 13:34:04 (-0700), Flaming Hakama by
David> Elaine wrote:

>> I was hoping for something more organic to lilypond, that is text-
>> and command line-based.
>> 
>> Does anyone have any suggestions for a workflow to accomplish this,
>> or what tools to look at?

David> I used to use psnup, psbook and suchlike, which looked after
David> computing the page ordering. But I don't work with .ps files
David> any more, only PDFs, so now I use pdfjam and pdftk; the former
David> for tiling, scaling and shifts, the latter for things that
David> involve whole pages.

For a simple approach try pdfbook which provides an easy-to-use
wrapper for pdfjam.

Peter C

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Re: Suggestions for page layout

[David Wright]

On Wed 25 Oct 2017 at 13:34:04 (-0700), Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote:
> > I'm not top posting
> 
> I'm looking into getting a large format printer so I can print parts on
> tabloid paper.  As such, I'm looking for a way to create the pdfs necessary
> for doing the booklet layout.
> 
> Currently, the only way I know to to prepare such layouts, with two pages
> per spread and in an order like 4 1 | 2 3, is to use another tool, like
> InDesign.
> 
> I was hoping for something more organic to lilypond, that is text- and
> command line-based.
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions for a workflow to accomplish this, or what
> tools to look at?

I used to use psnup, psbook and suchlike, which looked after computing
the page ordering. But I don't work with .ps files any more, only
PDFs, so now I use pdfjam and pdftk; the former for tiling, scaling
and shifts, the latter for things that involve whole pages.

But pdfjam can do the page-shuffling if given the ordering, so for
what you're intending, I would just use that. I compute the ordering
in bash with my own functions as I need variants for handing A6
booklets that save paper by stacking two copies.

I've stripped out some housekeeping functions etc, hopefully without
introducing typos. There are dependencies like TeX, pdfinfo, awk,
and bash of course.

These two functions are for generating the page ordering which is for
double-sided printing.

function -sig {
local NUMPAGES="$(pdfinfo "$1" | awk '{if ( /^Pages:/ ) printf ( "%s", $2 
)}')"
[ -z $NUMPAGES ] && printf '%s\n' "$1 has no pages!" >&2 && return 1
local ROUNDUP=$NUMPAGES
local REMAINDER=$(( $NUMPAGES % 4 ))
[ $REMAINDER != 0 ] && ROUNDUP=$(( $NUMPAGES + 4 - $REMAINDER ))
local DOWNS=$(( $ROUNDUP / 2 ))
local UPS=$(( $DOWNS + 1 ))
echo -n $(-sigger $DOWNS $NUMPAGES),$(-sigger $UPS $NUMPAGES)
while DOWNS=$(( $DOWNS - 1 )) ; UPS=$(( $UPS + 1 )) ; [ $DOWNS -gt 0 ] ; do
if [ $(( $DOWNS % 2 )) = 0 ] ; then
echo -n ,$(-sigger $DOWNS $NUMPAGES),$(-sigger $UPS $NUMPAGES)
else
echo -n ,$(-sigger $UPS $NUMPAGES),$(-sigger $DOWNS $NUMPAGES)
fi
done
}

function -sigger {
local DIFF=$(( $1 - $2 ))
if [ $DIFF -gt 0 -o $1 -lt 1 ] ; then
echo -n {}
else
echo -n $1
fi
}

# These do the work (A4→A3r and US Letter→Ledger):

function a4-a4booklet {
pdfjam --nup '2x1' --landscape --noautoscale 'true' --scale 1 --paper 
'a3paper' --outfile "${1/%.pdf/-a4booklet-a3.pdf}" "$1" "$(-sig "$1")"
}

function letter-letterbooklet {
pdfjam --nup '2x1' --landscape --noautoscale 'true' --scale 1 --papersize 
'{11in,17in}' --outfile "${1/%.pdf/-letterbooklet-ledger.pdf}" "$1" "$(-sig 
"$1")"
}

You might find these useful for proofreading the layout, ie putting
pagespreads onto the screen to look at page balance/visual effects.

function a4-a4spreads {
pdfjam --nup '2x1' --landscape --noautoscale 'true' --scale 1 --paper 
'a3paper' --outfile "${1/%.pdf/-a4spreads-a3.pdf}" "$1" 2-last,1
}

function letter-letterspreads {
pdfjam --nup '2x1' --landscape --noautoscale 'true' --scale 1 --papersize 
'{11in,17in}' --outfile "${1/%.pdf/-letterspreads-ledger.pdf}" "$1" 2-last,1
}

Cheers,
David.

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Re: Suggestions for page layout

[Abraham Lee]

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine <
ela...@flaminghakama.com> wrote:

>
> > I'm not top posting
>
> I'm looking into getting a large format printer so I can print parts on
> tabloid paper.  As such, I'm looking for a way to create the pdfs necessary
> for doing the booklet layout.
>
> Currently, the only way I know to to prepare such layouts, with two pages
> per spread and in an order like 4 1 | 2 3, is to use another tool, like
> InDesign.
>
> I was hoping for something more organic to lilypond, that is text- and
> command line-based.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for a workflow to accomplish this, or
> what tools to look at?
>

I created a handful of semi-graphical PDF manipulation utilities that are
being hosted by Philip Rothman of NYC Music Services:

https://www.nycmusicservices.com/musicresources/

The intent of their creation was to do batch processing. Philip sponsored
their creation since they help in his music prep activities, but they are
freely available for anyone to use. You might find "PDF-BatchBooklet"
particularly useful ;-)

Best,
Abraham
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Re: "Unconnected" simultaenous staff groups

[Thomas Morley]

2017-10-25 20:03 GMT+02:00 Lukas-Fabian Moser :
> Hello,
>
> it is possible to remove the vertical line that connects simultaenous staves
> in each system at their beginning:
>
> This is useful in order to generate a score of musical examples (in a
> scientific context) that should be aligned "as if they were to be played
> simultaenously" (for easier comparison), yet are meant as independent
> examples.
>
> But now I'd like to have the same not for staves but for piano staves/staff
> groups: Several piano staves, each of which has its own SystemStartBar (but
> the SystemStartBars themselves should not be connected to each other). In
> the following example, the SystemStartBar is missing in both piano staves:
>
>
> \version "2.19.80"
>
> \layout {
>   \context {
> \Score
> \omit SystemStartBar
>   }
> }
>
> <<
>   \new PianoStaff <<
> \new Staff a4
> \new Staff a4
>   >>
>   \new PianoStaff <<
> \new Staff a4
> \new Staff a4
>   >>
>>>
>
> Best
> Lukas

Likely:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/snippets/staff-notation#staff-notation-vertical-aligned-staffgroups-without-connecting-systemstartbar

HTH,
  Harm

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"Unconnected" simultaenous staff groups

[Lukas-Fabian Moser]

Hello,

it is possible to remove the vertical line that connects simultaenous
staves in each system at their beginning:

This is useful in order to generate a score of musical examples (in a
scientific context) that should be aligned "as if they were to be played
simultaenously" (for easier comparison), yet are meant as independent
examples.

But now I'd like to have the same not for staves but for piano staves/staff
groups: Several piano staves, each of which has its own SystemStartBar (but
the SystemStartBars themselves should not be connected to each other). In
the following example, the SystemStartBar is missing in both piano staves:


\version "2.19.80"

\layout {
  \context {
\Score
\omit SystemStartBar
  }
}

<<
  \new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff a4
\new Staff a4
  >>
  \new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff a4
\new Staff a4
  >>
>>

Best
Lukas
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Re: Suggestions for page layout

[Christopher R. Maden]

On 10/25/2017 04:34 PM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote:

I'm looking into getting a large format printer so I can print parts
on tabloid paper.  As such, I'm looking for a way to create the pdfs
necessary for doing the booklet layout.

Currently, the only way I know to to prepare such layouts, with two
pages per spread and in an order like 4 1 | 2 3, is to use another
tool, like InDesign.

I was hoping for something more organic to lilypond, that is text-
and command line-based.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a workflow to accomplish this,
or what tools to look at?


If you’re on a UNIX-ish system (Linux or MacOS), look for a tool called 
psnup, part of a package called psutils.


~Chris
--
Chris Maden, text nerd
http://crism.maden.org/ >
Emperor Norton had the right idea.

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Re: Suggestions for page layout

[Urs Liska]

Am 25.10.2017 um 22:34 schrieb Flaming Hakama by Elaine:


> I'm not top posting

I'm looking into getting a large format printer so I can print parts 
on tabloid paper.  As such, I'm looking for a way to create the pdfs 
necessary for doing the booklet layout.


Currently, the only way I know to to prepare such layouts, with two 
pages per spread and in an order like 4 1 | 2 3, is to use another 
tool, like InDesign.


I was hoping for something more organic to lilypond, that is text- and 
command line-based.


Does anyone have any suggestions for a workflow to accomplish this, or 
what tools to look at?


Surely pdftk.
I don't have experience with it but pdfnup should be a thing.
Or use LaTeX, if you have more complex set-ups anyway 
(http://www.mostlymaths.net/2008/09/latex-booklets.html)


HTH
Urs




Thanks,


David Elaine Alt
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highly underrated/"

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RE: Suggestions for page layout

[mogens]

> I'm looking into getting a large format printer so I can print parts on 
> tabloid paper.  As such, I'm looking 
> for a way to create the pdfs necessary for doing the booklet layout.
>
> Currently, the only way I know to to prepare such layouts, with two pages per 
> spread and in an order like 
> 4 1 | 2 3, is to use another tool, like InDesign.
>
> I was hoping for something more organic to lilypond, that is text- and 
> command line-based.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for a workflow to accomplish this, or what 
> tools to look at? 

Adobe’s free Acrobat (pdf) Reader happily prints booklets like that (at least 
on Windows 10).

Regards,
Mogens

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Suggestions for page layout

[Flaming Hakama by Elaine]

> I'm not top posting

I'm looking into getting a large format printer so I can print parts on
tabloid paper.  As such, I'm looking for a way to create the pdfs necessary
for doing the booklet layout.

Currently, the only way I know to to prepare such layouts, with two pages
per spread and in an order like 4 1 | 2 3, is to use another tool, like
InDesign.

I was hoping for something more organic to lilypond, that is text- and
command line-based.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a workflow to accomplish this, or what
tools to look at?


Thanks,


David Elaine Alt
415 . 341 .4954 <(415)%20341-4954>
  "*Confusion is highly underrated*"
ela...@flaminghakama.com
self-immolation.info
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Producer ~ Composer ~ Instrumentalist
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Re: Any other Thunderbird users have messages never post? (WAS: Hide slur?)

[Karlin High]

On 10/24/2017 10:58 PM, Bob Proulx wrote:

Perhaps I can help communicate the goings on that happens out of sight.


Thank you! That was very informative. By examining message headers, I 
had formed some assumptions about how the Gnu Lists message flow is 
structured, and it was nice to have them largely confirmed.


Messages being lost to aggressive spam filtering makes sense. I have 
marveled at how spam-free this list stays, for what is basically a 
published email address. Having an occasional lost message is a 
trade-off I'm happy to make, for not having junk ads cluttering 
everything up.

--
Karlin High
Missouri, USA

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Re: Engraving for Spoken Chorus

[Michael Gerdau]

Hi Rohan,

> Spoken chorus uses (connected) one-line staves.  How would I engrave this 
> for, say, an S-A-T-B choir?
> 

I'm not sure I understand what you are looking for. Something like the attached 
sample?

It has been created by using the Frescobaldi SATB choir template and replacing 
all Staff by RhythmicStaff. One could also use DrumStaff \with { drumStyleTable 
= #percussion-style \override StaffSymbol #'line-count = #1 }

If you look for something different then maybe a drawn picture would help.

Kind regards,
Michael
\version "2.19.65"

\header {
  title = "sample SATB voice choir"
}

global = {
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4
}

soprano = \relative c'' {
  \global
  c4 c8 c c4 c c
}

alto = \relative c' {
  \global
  c4 c c c c
}

tenor = \relative c' {
  \global
  c4 c c c c
}

bass = \relative c {
  \global
  c2 c4 c c
}

sopranoVerse = \lyricmode {
  So -- pra -- no text comes here
}

altoVerse = \lyricmode {
  Al -- to text comes here
}

tenorVerse = \lyricmode {
  Te -- nor text comes here
}

bassVerse = \lyricmode {
  Bass text comes here
}

choirPart = \new ChoirStaff <<
  \new RhythmicStaff \with {
midiInstrument = "acoustic grand"
instrumentName = "Sopran"
shortInstrumentName = "S"
  } { \soprano }
  \addlyrics { \sopranoVerse }
  \new RhythmicStaff \with {
midiInstrument = "acoustic grand"
instrumentName = "Alt"
shortInstrumentName = "A"
  } { \alto }
  \addlyrics { \altoVerse }
  \new RhythmicStaff \with {
midiInstrument = "acoustic grand"
instrumentName = "Tenor"
shortInstrumentName = "T"
  } { \clef "treble_8" \tenor }
  \addlyrics { \tenorVerse }
  \new RhythmicStaff \with {
midiInstrument = "acoustic grand"
instrumentName = "Bass"
shortInstrumentName = "B"
  } { \clef bass \bass }
  \addlyrics { \bassVerse }
>>

\score {
  <<
\choirPart
  >>
  \layout { }
  \midi {
\tempo 4=100
  }
}
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Re: Any other Thunderbird users have messages never post? (WAS: Hide slur?)

[Bob Proulx]

I have been reading the thread about lost emails to the list.  Perhaps
I can help communicate the goings on that happens out of sight.  This
message is a little long.  If not interested in how email and mailing
lists work then please feel free to skip it.

Karlin High wrote:
> Robert Schmaus wrote:
> > > is anyone else using Thunderbird, and never having any
> > > lost messages at all?
> >
> > I do, and I haven't ever lost a message to this (or indeed any) list.

I doubt the problem is Thunderbird.

> > > If so, is your email provider something other than
> > It's FastMail.
> 
> Curiouser and curiouser. The part that bugs me the worst is when I do
> a Reply-All and the message never appears on the list, but then the
> other recipients of my message ALSO do a Reply-All, and have their
> replies to my message get posted to list, making it seem that my

I really don't see how that difference caused any difference at all.
In other words I don't think that is the problem.

> message delivered everywhere but to the list. Most recent example
> here, in David Nalesnik's automatic partwriter thread:
> 
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2017-09/msg00471.html
> 
> That makes it hard not to blame something on the GNU Lists end of things.

This does look like something on either 'eggs' or 'lists' intercepted
the message.  Probably one of the content filters there had a false
positive hit and kicked it out.  I have forwarded the message id to
FSF sysadmin and asked them to look for it.

In any case the flow of email is that eggs receives all incoming email
for all GNU & FSF domains.  It acts as the front end mail relay.  It
has a layer of anti-spam that will reject or discard messages that it
classifies as spam.  I do not have access to eggs and can't look at
the logs there and therefore direct all problems that might be there
to FSF sysadmin.  I have access to Mailman and some of lists.gnu.org.
The machine eggs if it classfies a message as spam will discard the
message there.  If not then it will forward the message over to
lists.gnu.org where another layer of anti-spam exists.  If it gets
through that layer then the message is handed to Mailman.

At the Mailman layer if the sender address has not posted to the
mailing before then the message will be held for moderation.  This
only happens *once* for the *first* messages from a new address until
the modertors approve it.  After that point messages from that address
are no longer held for moderation.  This is due to the problem that
spammers routinely subscribe to mailing lists and then post spam
hoping that their message will get through because they are
subscribed.  That is why we moderate new subscribers (and everyone)
upon the first message they send to the list.  But after they are
approved as a non-spammer then their messages are not held again.

I don't know how many total messages are sent through lists.gnu.org
but the total is *A LOT* and if all of those messages needed to be
moderated by humans it would be impossible.  We count on the automated
tools such as SpamAssassin and other checks to automatically classify
messages as much as possible.  A description of how SpamAssassin is
used in the lists.gnu.mailman setup is described in some detail here
https://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/ListHelperAntiSpam/ .

This means that if you change email addresses and send from a
different location that message looks like a new user.  It will be
held for human moderation.  Once.  Until approved.  Then there will be
no more moderation.

So where can mail get lost?  There are still several places.  One is
that there are content filters at eggs.gnu.org that may kick out
individual messages that trip the filter.  And effectively the same is
true on lists.gnu.org too.

Another is that DNSBLs are used to avoid mail from known locations.
You may be using a mail relay that is also used by others that is
sending spam and therefore blocked by sending from the same location
as a spammer.  That block may be temporary if the sending machine
falls into trouble but is then corrected.

Sometimes mail is simply delayed.  All Mail Transport Agents throttle
activity when the machine is overloaded.  Sometimes machines become
overloaded becaues spammers are bombarding the system with spam where
it gets overloaded to the point of being a denial of service.  One
must be patient and wait for the servers to be able to process the
mail.  Things will be delayed but will eventually get through.

Another problem is that large messages are very bad for big mailing
lists.  There are ~1600 users on this mailing list.  If someone sends
a large image it really consumes massive bandwidth through the
multiplication to all of the subscribers.  I think the mailing list
server is the biggest bandwidth consumer.  Also many people are using
metered network bandwidth plans and large images for messages they
might not care about can cost them real money.  Therefore large
messages are always at the 

Re: Piano Left Hand Alone

[Malte Meyn]

Am 25.10.2017 um 00:12 schrieb Rohan Srinivasan:
I would like it to act like the left hand staff of the Piano Staff. If 
this isn't possible, I suppose I can just use the Piano Staff and add 
rests on one hand.


Hm … I don’t really understand what’s the difference to a “normal” 
single staff. Could you draw a sketch which shows what you want to 
achieve and which includes the important details?


(Almost) everything is possible in LilyPond—you just have to know what 
exactly you want ;)


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