Re: Stop Tablature from moving up an octave

[Bob Stricklin]

Thanks to all for the excellent support an help.

It is clear to me now and I have it working properly.

Bob

Stop Tablature from moving up an octave

[Bob Stricklin]

I am new to Lilypond and can not get Tablature for guitar to work like I think 
it should.

The documentation indicates Lilypond will select the lowest fret and open 
strings.

When I run my example below the tablature selects fret position 12 and not zero 
for three of the note groups.
I want it to select zero for all strings played. Is there an easy solution to 
this issue?

Its odd that the code works properly for one of the three note groupings.

This is to represent finger picking a bass note and two other notes with 
fingers.

My Simplified code input using Frescobaldi on Ubuntu 18.04.

\version "2.18.2"

song = {
 
}

  \score {
  <<
%   \override StringNumber #'transparent = ##t
   \relative c'
 
 {\song }
   }
 
   \new TabStaff 
   
{\song}
>>
}

Output numbers only:

0   0   0   0
12  12  0   12

0   0   0   0

I wish there was an ability to:

Select string and fret manually. Something like \3-0.

It would also be helpful to have a command like
\set TabStaff.maximumFret=#5   This would force the automatic code to 
remain in the first few frets.

Re: Any other Thunderbird users have messages never post? (WAS: Hide slur?)

[Bob Proulx]

Ian Kelling wrote:
> I looked into the missing mail, couldn't find it.

Thanks for looking into this problem.

> Please report any future missing emails. Usually we can figure it
> out.

Seconded.  If you are having problems with any of the mailing lists
please report it.  There are 1,500+ mailing lists and although we use
the lists outselves we don't subscribe to all of them!  Whew, that
would be a lot.  We won't notice problems everywhere unless they are
reported.

> Bob, correct me if I'm wrong, but they should probably first check
> with lilypond-user-owner that there is a moderation issue, then
> report to sysad...@gnu.org?

Yes.  Please use the -owner address for any problem with a particular
mailing list.  For example lilypond-user-owner AT gnu DOT org for this
list.  We can sort it out there and pass it along if needed.  This is
especially true of the reverse problem of when spam appears on a
mailing list.  We can tune up filters and make adjustments.  And also
help with subscription problems.

Bob

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Re: Any other Thunderbird users have messages never post? (WAS: Hide slur?)

[Bob Proulx]

andwidth plans and large images for messages they
might not care about can cost them real money.  Therefore large
messages are always at the least held for moderation and may be
automatically rejected.  Please don't send large images to big mailing
lists.  Instead upload the image to one of the many image sites and
then simply post a link to it.  That way people who are interested can
visit the link and others who are not can skip it and the bandwidth
being donated to the FSF is not consumed.

If you ever need help with the mailing lists such as to subscribe or
unsubscribe and cannot use the automated lilypond-user-request address
then write to the human helpers at lilypond-user-owner address.  You
can see the pattern in these.  The program reads and responds to the
-request address, just add -request to any mailing list address part.
Humans read the -owner address, just add -owner to any mailing list
address part.

Then additionally the Gmail interface has some interesting
interactions with mailing lists.  Gmail tags messages with Sent but
not Inbox.  But if someone replies then the reply will bring the
thread in because of the reply.  Its rather confusing.

I have forwarded that missing email message-id to the FSF admins and
asked them to please look for the message.

Hope this helps!
Bob

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Re: Tremelo Fails To Compile

[Bob Langford]

I found I had loaded Lilypond on my Vista machine some time ago.   2.14.0
My file with the whole-note tremolo compiles ok there.   So, I'll print out
my Violin file there.  Thanks for the help.

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Re: Tremelo Fails To Compile

[Bob Langford]

I'm using the 32-bit version of Ubuntu 12.04 ...

Here's the console output:

Processing `/home/robert/Desktop/test.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music... [8]
Preprocessing graphical objects...
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 1 page...
Drawing systems...lilypond: ../flower/include/drul-array.hh:35: T&
Drul_array::at(Direction) [with T = double]: Assertion `d == 1 || d ==
-1' failed.
Processing time: 4 seconds

I didn't think to try this file on my desktop pc running Windows Vista.  
I'll have to get Lilypond installed first, though.   

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Re: Tremelo Fails To Compile

[Bob Langford]

Thanks !  for the assistance.

Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, Lilypond 2.14.2 and Jedit via Synaptic, Lilypond tool 
ACER 5013 notebook

.ly file attached.  I've commented out what doesn't work and left in the
half-note tremolos.   Too see the compiler fail, comment out the half-notes
and remove % from the hole-notes.

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Tremelo Fails To Compile

[Bob Langford]

Greetings,

2.14.2

4/4 time 

This halts the compiler:

\repeat tremolo 8 { bes16 e }

I'd like to print one measure of alternating 16th notes between Bb and E.  
This works

\repeat tremolo 4 { bes16 e } \repeat tremolo 4 { bes16 e }   but I want the
whole note, not two half-notes.  Is there a bug maybe or should I be coding
it differently.

Thanks !
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Re: spam

[Bob Proulx]

Hans Aberg wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > Correct.  Unfortunately hacked mail accounts seem to be on the rise
> > lately.  It isn't unusual to see an address from a currently active
> > member posting spam these days due to a hacked account.
> 
> It may look a bit mysterious at this end, because it gives an
> impression of somebody hacking the mailing list, whereas in reality,
> the mail account has been hacked.

Yes.  Because it isn't required to be subscribed to post to the GNU
mailing lists.  There isn't any such thing as a mailing list account.
It is only the user's mail account that is getting hacked.  The
problem for the mailing list helpers is to keep things moving where
people can post and spammers are blocked.  And all of the while the
people are in motion, always in motion.

> One way to do the latter is to install a key logger in Internet
> cafes, a method common in some parts of the world, I am told.

Security is something that is too often overlooked.  And then when
addressed is done so too strongly creating problems in the other
direction.  Right-sizing security is harder than people think at first
glance.

> Also, I have seen spam from some hacked Windows computers - they are
> taken over and becomes spambots.

I believe that the majority of virus infected computers are done so
for the specific purpose of sending spam.  It is a huge problem.

> So both reasons make it important to notify the owner of an account.

Yes.

> FYI, here is an even worse case, impersonation of James Kass, the
> author of Code200x fonts.

Ha!  I have had my own email address forged before too.

Thankfully now that this episode is over we can return to normal
mailing list activities.

Bob

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Re: spam

[Bob Proulx]

Hans Aberg wrote:
> Xavier Scheuer wrote:
> > AFAICS all these spam mails passing through the lilypond-user mailing
> > list come from only one e-mail address:
> >  Steven Padalino 
> > 
> > I suppose this e-mail address is subscribed to lilypond-user mailing
> > list, otherwise the list moderators would not have allowed these
> > messages.
> 
> It seems to be a regular user, active with a few posts in 2008,
> whose acoount has been hacked: first spam from 20 February this
> year.

Correct.  Unfortunately hacked mail accounts seem to be on the rise
lately.  It isn't unusual to see an address from a currently active
member posting spam these days due to a hacked account.

In any case, thanks for reporting this problem to the mailing list
owner.  The address has been removed from the subscription list.

Bob
Mailing List Helper

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Re: building, where to get libfontconfig-dev and libfreetype6-dev

[Bob]

Graham Percival  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 04:12:56 + (UTC)
> Bob  gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Graham Percival  gmail.com> writes:
> > 
> > > > Am trying to build lilypond 2.11.36 on mac osx
> > > > 10.4.11 (on an intel mac).  I only want to use midi2ly (and 
> > > > intended to feed that output into an pre-built lilypond binary)
> > > >  but it appears I have to build the whole kit 
> > > > and caboodle to use midi2ly.
> > > 
> > > False.  Read the documentation, particularly "macosx command-line
> > > setup".
> > > 
> > > - Graham
> > 
> > If you are right, that would save me a lot of time.
> 
> I'm right.
> 
> >  However, I
> > am unable to locate "macosx command-line setup" in the documentation.
> > I have looked in lilypond.pdf (for version 2.8.8; this doc just now
> > downloaded), and in the README.txt and in the INSTALL.txt.  Where
> > is it?
> 
> Look at the docs for 2.11.36 if that's what you're using.
> Application Usage, 2.1.1 I believe.
> 
> In the docs for 2.10, I think it's something like section 15.3.
> Just look for OS X in the table of contents.
> 
> - Graham

Thanks.  Found it now.  In the 2.8.8 docs it was section 12.2.
(chuckle) wish I'd found that before I 
embarked on the build process.  All the dependency builds 
and updates took nearly four hours.  I 
actually got to the point where ./profile was satisfied, but 
"make all" fails (don't worry, I will just use the 
pre-built installation, which is what I'd rather
 have done in the first place).

Thanks,
Bob H









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Re: building, where to get libfontconfig-dev and libfreetype6-dev

[Bob]

Graham Percival  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:46:49 + (UTC)
> Bob  gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Am trying to build lilypond 2.11.36 on mac osx
> > 10.4.11 (on an intel mac).  I only want to use midi2ly (and 
> > intended to feed that output into an pre-built lilypond binary)
> >  but it appears I have to build the whole kit 
> > and caboodle to use midi2ly.
> 
> False.  Read the documentation, particularly "macosx command-line
> setup".
> 
> - Graham
> 


If you are right, that would save me a lot of time.  However, I
am unable to locate "macosx command-line setup" in the documentation.
I have looked in lilypond.pdf (for version 2.8.8; this doc just now
downloaded), and in the README.txt and in the INSTALL.txt.  Where
is it?

Thanks,
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Re: building, where to get libfontconfig-dev and libfreetype6-dev

[Bob]

Graham Percival  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:46:49 + (UTC)
> Bob  gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Am trying to build lilypond 2.11.36 on mac osx
> > 10.4.11 (on an intel mac).  I only want to use midi2ly (and 
> > intended to feed that output into an pre-built lilypond binary)
> >  but it appears I have to build the whole kit 
> > and caboodle to use midi2ly.
> 
> False.  Read the documentation, particularly "macosx command-line
> setup".
> 
> - Graham

If you are right, that would save me a lot of time.  However, I
am unable to locate "macosx command-line setup" in the documentation.
I have looked in lilypond.pdf (for version 2.8.8; this doc just now
downloaded), and in the README.txt and in the INSTALL.txt.  Where
is it?

Thanks,
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building, where to get libfontconfig-dev and libfreetype6-dev

[Bob]

Howdy,

Am trying to build lilypond 2.11.36 on mac osx
10.4.11 (on an intel mac).  I only want to use midi2ly (and 
intended to feed that output into an pre-built lilypond binary)
 but it appears I have to build the whole kit 
and caboodle to use midi2ly.  I have managed to get to the
 point where running ./configure only 
complains that it needs
   libfontconfig-dev or fontconfig-devel >= 2.2.0
and
   libfreetype6-dev or freetype?-devel >= 2.1.10

I am unable to find these.  Using darwinports mostly, I
 loaded everything else that ./config earlier said it 
needed, and as part of doing that I have fontconfig and
 freetype already.  The above packages seem to be 
variants of these, but darwinports doesn't seem to know
 about them, and ./configure thinks they are 
lacking (I guess).  Where can I find them?

Thanks,
Bob H

P.S.  I also tried using finkcommander to install lilypond
 source on different mac (same OS, but a powerpc 
mac).  It failed after a couple minutes so I gave
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Removing time signatures (yet again!)

[Bob Harvey]

Hi,

Please forgive my limited understanding of musical notation and scoring -- I am 
very new to this whole area, so my use of terminology might be clumsy or 
incorrect.  I have explored several of the different approaches, that I have 
found in these lists, to removing the time signature.  However all the ones I 
try work OK if you only have one stave, but not if you have two (a treble and a 
bass clef).  So, the script below works to remove the time signature for the 
treble clef stave, but not that for the bass clef.  If you remove the comment 
above the bass clef stave it parses OK but produces something quite odd (to my 
eyes, anyway) and certainly not what I expect or desire.

\version "2.10.5" 

\relative c 
 { 
 << 
   \new Staff 
  \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f 
  {  \clef treble  \partial 4 d' } 
   \new Staff 
%  \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f 
  { \clef bass \partial 4  f, } 
 >> 
 } 

What I want to get is exactly as this script produces, yet without the time 
signature for the bass clef.  Hope someone can help.

Regards, Bob.


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Re: Please help Lilypond 2.10.23.-MacPython OS X- 2.3.3-1

[Bob Morabito]

Hi Mats--

Thanks for replying--:)

When I fist opened Lily Pond, it told me I needed that MacPython, 2.3 and had a
button to click to take me there-
thats the only way I knew I needed it..

>From what I can gather OS 10.3 has Python in the System (I'm using 10.2.7, 
>which
doesnt):

http://homepages.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/download.html

"As an almost complete MacPython 2.3 installation is already included in Panther
by Apple the only thing you need is the MacPython 2.3 for Panther addons
installer, which contains the IDE, the Package Manager and the waste module on
which they depend. This is the second build of the additions, in comparison with
the first build this version allows you to install the full Python documentation
and it fixes an IDE startup bug.

As of this writing it is not advisable to install MacPython-OSX 2.3.3 on 10.3
because it can cause confusion with the pre-installed Python 2.3. See the
MacPython on OSX page for details."


Also see:
http://homepages.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/macpython-osx.html

Am I mistaken?

Thanks for replying-

Peace, Bob Morabito








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Please help Lilypond 2.10.23.-MacPython OS X- 2.3.3-1

[Bob Morabito]

Im using Mac OS 10.2.7--

Upon staring Lily Pond I keep getting an error box saying "MacPython 2.3 is
needed to run this application"

but I installed 2.3.3-1?

Please help-

Thanks so much-
Peace, Bob Morabito

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Cannot install lilypond on my MacBook

[Bob Pinschmidt]

I have downloaded 2.10.1911 multiple times for my MacBook running 10.4.8 and
 each time it tells me it can't archive into desktop because there is an error 
2 - no
 such file or directory.  I could download the PPC version and launch it, but 
for
 starters I could not get beyond the first page of the notes.

Thanks for the help.

Bob




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Re: command line lilypond, midi to stdout

[Bob Harris]

I wrote:

I was hoping to combine lilypond with this on the command
line like this:
   cat mysong.ly | lilypond - | velchanger | mysong.midi
Anybody have any ideas how I can accomplish that in a single
command?  My cycle is
edit,convert-to-midi,listen-in-garage-band, and I'm trying
to get it down to as few steps as possible to go from the
edit to hearing it


and Graham Percival replied

Write a shell script:

- songtomidi.sh
#!/bin/sh
FILE="$(basename -s ly $1 )"

lilypond ${FILE}.ly
velchanger ${FILE}.midi
... etc


Thanks, Graham,

I'm a little embarrassed that I didn't think to do that.  That will
solve the problem.

Pondering The lilypond doc (for 2.8.8) suggests that there are
certain extensions a user can make by including some scheme code in
her .ly file (at least that's my understanding of what I read).  Is
control of midi note velocity something I could accomplish that way?
I have snooped through the lilypond source code (2.9.29) and I see all
notes have velocity=127 (called dynamic_byte_) assigned in the
constructor and it appears they are never altered.  But I wonder if
note objects are something I can modify using a scheme extension.  Is
it possible?  Are there examples of what sort things can be done with
extensions?

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command line lilypond, midi to stdout

[Bob Harris]

Howdy,

I'm wondering if there is a way to have command-line
lilypond produce midi on stdout.

My typical use is to feed a .ly file into lilypond to create
a .midi output, then take thatinto garage band (a mac
program which I would describe as a midi recorder and track
editor).  Unfortunately lilypond sets the velocity of every
note to the max, 127, and for instruments like a bass or a
guitar garage band plays vel=127 as sort of a temporary
pitch shift (like a very hard string pluck and maybe some
motion on the fret).  To work around this, I wrote a simple
command-line program to receive a midi file on stdin, change
all the note-on velocities to a specified value, and spit
the result out on stdout.

I was hoping to combine lilypond with this on the command
line like this:
   cat mysong.ly | lilypond - | velchanger | mysong.midi

Unfortunatley, it appears lilypond provides no way to output
on stdout.  Instead it creates -.midi, requiring a second
command line to process the result.

Anybody have any ideas how I can accomplish that in a single
command?  My cycle is
edit,convert-to-midi,listen-in-garage-band, and I'm trying
to get it down to as few steps as possible to go from the
edit to hearing it.

Thanks,
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Re: Hiding empty staves

[Bob Kline]

Werner LEMBERG wrote:

With other words, you poor guy have stumbled on a bug in lilypond, and
the people who've tried to help you weren't aware of this.
  


Thanks very much, Werner.  This version works exactly the way I want it to.

Here's hoping it doesn't take quite so long the next time someone posts 
to the list explaining that yes, (s)he's already read the documentation, 
and it still doesn't work, (and here's a packaged minimal repro case 
documenting what's been tried) to get past the RTFM responses.


Thanks again and Merry Christmas!

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Re: Hiding empty staves

[Bob Kline]

Bob Kline wrote:
> Graham Percival wrote:
> 
>> Have you read chapter 9 as well?  If not, could you read that and let me
>> know if it helps?  Once you do understand it, could you also propose an
>> addition to the docs to clear this up?
> 
> I will keep trying and report back results.

OK, I give up.  I've posted the exact code earlier in this thread
showing my attempt to do *exactly* what it was suggested I do.  I've
read (more than once) all of the sections of the manual to which I've
been directed.  I've tried everything I can think of to get the empty
staff to disappear in the first system, but nothing works.

I know from first-hand experience with the software packages to which
I've contributed code myself how frustrating it can be to field the same
questions repeatedly from users who can't be bother to make any effort
to use the tools (including the documentation) which has been provided
for them.  But I also know that when a user actually tries to solve
his/her problems with the software I am more than willing to do whatever
it takes to explain how to get it to do what is needed.

It's possible that the developers are looking at my attempts with pity
and wonder that I'm so feeble-minded that I can't understand what their
documentation is explaining so clearly.  It's also possible that no one
knows how to achieve the result I'm after and for some reason it's more
comfortable to say "go read another chapter until you understand it,
grasshopper" than to simply say "I don't know."

Thanks anyway to anyone who was sincerely trying to assist me.  Sorry I
didn't get it.

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Re: Hiding empty staves

[Bob Kline]

Graham Percival wrote:

> Have you read chapter 9 as well?  If not, could you read that and let me
> know if it helps?  Once you do understand it, could you also propose an
> addition to the docs to clear this up?

I will keep trying and report back results.

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Re: which language for programming

[Bob Kline]

Ed Ardzinski wrote:

> If Lilypond is written in C++ (and I do see some hints of C type syntax
> when I use Lilypond) this *might* be a factor to consider.  But... C and
> C++ are fairly complex languages and have steep learning curves.  If you
> an abject beginner with programming I suggest starting out with Visual
> Basic and concentrating on trying to develop good programming
> practices.  That will make a switch to a more difficult language easier.

I thought I read somewhere that while Lilypond had originally been
written in C++ it has since been reimplemented in Scheme, which is a
dialect of Lisp.  I would recommend Python as a good first language for
learning to program.

http://www.python.org

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Re: Hiding empty staves

[Bob Kline]

Erik Sandberg wrote:

> Hm, maybe it's the \clef bass; you could try to move it to where the music 
> starts. (not tested; it's just a guess)

Thanks for the guess, but that didn't work: it just prints the empty
staff with a G clef.

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Re: Hiding empty staves

[Bob Kline]

Andrew Longland-Meech wrote:
> Thank you. I've got it now, even though it seems a bit illogical to put
> one bit of layout in \layout and the other in with the notes, when they
> both do a similar job!!
> 
> On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 10:53 -0800, Graham Percival wrote:
>> Andrew Longland-Meech wrote:
>>> \override Score.VerticalAxisGroup #'remove-first = ##t   "
>>>
>>> I don't understand where this should go. Is it in the \score section? Or
>>> in the \layout section? Or in with the notes? Please can someone guide
>>> me in the right direction?
>> Please see chapter 5 of the docs.

Could one of you have pity on a poor clueless user and give an example
showing where these two directives go?  My attempts always end up with
the unwanted staff omitted on the second system of the music, but
included for the first system.  Here's an example of what I'm trying:

\score {
\override Score.VerticalAxisGroup #'remove-first = ##t
\context ChoirStaff <<
\context Staff = women <<  >>
\new Lyrics 
\context Staff = men <<  >>
>>
\layout {
 \context { \RemoveEmptyStaffContext }
}
}

I have looked at chapter 5 of the docs (I assume we're talking about the
chapter 5 in the latest released version of lp, rather than the versions
currently shipped with most Linux distros), and my poor brain just isn't
getting it, as I don't see the part that says *where* to put the
\override command.

Thanks!

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How to switch from single staff to double?

[Bob Kline]

I'd like to set a song starting with the version in unison, which should
print a single staff for a couple of lines (systems), then on the third
line switch to the SATB chorus on two staves.  How do I do that, please?
 I've tried \RemoveStaffEmptyContext, but that doesn't get rid of the
extra staff on the first line.

Thanks!

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Can't get midi2ly to work.

[Bob Coppedge]

I've tried to get this to work, and I get nothing but error messages.

I created a file with notepad with the instruction midi2ly song1.mid.

I can't seem to get anything but error messages.  I saved the text file 
as "Midi.ly" and dropped it onto the icon. This is what the log shows:

# -*-compilation-*-
Changing working directory to `C:/Documents and Settings/Owner/Desktop'
Processing `C:/Documents and Settings/Owner/Desktop/Midi.ly'
Parsing...
C:/Documents and Settings/Owner/Desktop/Midi.ly:1:4: error: syntax error, 
unexpected DIGIT, expecting '='
midi
2ly song1.mid
What am I doing wrong?

Thanks in advance.

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Question about generating sakura-sakura.ly

[Bob Koon]

I have downloaded the lilypond 2.6 for Windows and try to generate the pdf for
the sample files sakura-sakura.ly and xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ly. However it fails
and here is the log file:

# -*-compilation-*-
Changing working directory to `C:/Program
Files/LilyPond/usr/share/doc/lilypond/input'
Processing `C:/Program
Files/LilyPond/usr/share/doc/lilypond/input/xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music... [7]
Preprocessing graphical objects... 
Calculating line breaks... [3][6][8]
Calculating page breaks...
Layout output to `xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ps'...
warning: don't know how to embed "MS-Gothic"="C:/WINDOWS/fonts/msgothic.ttc"
Converting to `xiao-haizi-guai-guai.pdf'...
`gs -q   -dCompatibilityLevel#1.4  -sPAPERSIZE#"a4" -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -r1200 
-sDEVICE#pdfwrite -sOutputFile#"xiao-haizi-guai-guai.pdf" -c .setpdfwrite -f
"xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ps"' failed (1)


It seems that the program will access msgothic.ttc when there is some non-ascii
character. Any idea to fix it? Because in fact I am a chinese user and hope that
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i dont know what to do

[bob bobson]

first, can i make drum scores with this and if i can, when i click the icon on my 
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Re: First score attempt failed

[Bob Schmertz]

On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 07:10:08PM +0300, Ville V Sinkko wrote:
> 
> Hi. I just installed Lilypond on a Mandrake 8.1 Linux system, but
> can't get it to produce sane results. I compiled a little test score
> with "lilypond -fps asdf.ly", and the resulting ps file shows a 'j'
> instead of a G clef, and $'s instead of note heads...
> 
>  The input file and postscript result are
> http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~vsinkko/asdf.ly
> http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~vsinkko/asdf.ps

cs.helsinki.fi... an esteemed URL :)

> 
> What am I doing wrong?

It is usually recommended not to use the command "lilypond" directly, but
rather, "ly2dvi".  The latter worked for me, while the command you gave
produced something like what you described.  ly2dvi produces a DVI output,
which can be viewed with xdvi, or converted to PostScript with dvips.  See
the archives and instructions for ways to produce other types of output.

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Re: help with installation

[Bob Schmertz]

On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 01:16:34PM +0100, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > 
> > Odd, this file is nowhere to be found on my Red Hat 7.1 system, but
> > LilyPond works fine.  However, I installed it from source, so I can't tell
> > you too much about how to install from RPM.
> 
> blauw:~/usr/src/releases$ locate libintl
> ...
> blauw:~/usr/src/releases$ rpm -qf /usr/include/libintl.h
> glibc-devel-2.2.4-19.3

Yes, I get about the same thing, but the "missing" file was a .so file,
not a .h file.  Perhaps on some systems the libintl library is merged with
glibc, while on others (including the system that was used to create the
package) it's separate?

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Re: help with installation

[Bob Schmertz]

On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 12:25:59AM -0600, Michael J McGonagle wrote:
> Bob Schmertz wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 09:18:48AM +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> > >
> > > > --> The rpm database cannot be opened in db3 format.
> > > > If you have just upgraded the rpm package you need to convert
> > > > your database to db3 format by running "rpm --rebuilddb" as root.
> > > >
> > > > error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
> > > >
> > > > I have tried to do what they suggest by running 'rpm --rebuilddb' (as
> > > > root), but nothing changes. I still get the same error.
> > 
> > Silly question, but I assume you are attempting all your rpm installs as root?
> 
> Not such a silly question... (I don't know why this never has dawned on
> me, I have always installed tarballs as root...) I did get something
> different when I ran:
> 
> rpm -Uvh lilypond-1.4.2-imdk.rpm
> 
> Now it is telling me that the 'libintl.so.1', so now it is just a matter
> of finding what this library is, even running as root:

Odd, this file is nowhere to be found on my Red Hat 7.1 system, but
LilyPond works fine.  However, I installed it from source, so I can't tell
you too much about how to install from RPM.

> 
> urpmf libintl.so.1
> 

This "urpmf" and friends must be a Mandrake thing, I don't have it.
Interesting.

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Re: Lilypond - which Ghostscript and which GS viewer to install.

[Bob Schmertz]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 08:55:26AM -0500, Guus Wijte wrote:
> 
> I did the testing for Windows as suggested, and then when I ran the command : 
> 
> gsview32 -P foo
> 
> a message came back that I had to install a Ghostscript. 
> 
> At first I ignored this meassage, and proceeded to open the "foo" file
> in gsview as suggested.  The music displayed beautifully in the
> gsview-er window, but then I could not print it without having
> Ghostscript installed of course.
> 
> I then installed Ghostscript 7.04 (the latest Beta version).  At the
> Ghostscript site it also says that I have to use an updated gs viewer
> capable of dealing with Ghostscript 7.04.  It said that gsview version
> 32 (do they mean : gsview32 ?) won't work with Ghostscript 7.04 :

gsview32 means a version of gsview that works on Windows 32 (see below).

> 
> 
> The message there reads : 
> 
> 
> Windows 95, 98, ME, NT, 2000 or XP
> You will need to obtain and run the self-extracting EXE 
> 
>   gs704w32.exe, AFPL Ghostscript 7.04 for Win32 6208000 bytes 
> You can unzip this if you want to check the contents. 
> It is recommended that you also install GSview, a graphical interface to 
>Ghostscript. GSview 4.1 and earlier will not work with AFPL Ghostscript 7.04. You 
>will need to use GSview 4.12 beta. 
> 
[snip]
> 
> QUESTIONS : 
> 
> Question 1 : What do I need to do : install the updated gsviewer? Which one exactly? 
> 
> Is it : gsv41w32.exe   Win32 self extracting archive   ??

gsv412w32.exe, if you want to stick with GhostScript 7.04.  Unfortunately,
you seem to be in a catch-22 situation.  The the only GSview that will
work with the latest GhostScript is a beta version (could be buggy), while
the GhostScript that works with the latest release version would appear to
have a security problem (7.04 is identified as a "security update and
maintenance release" at http://www.ghostscript.com/ ).

> Question 2 : What does Windows 32 mean? 

Any version of Windows from Win 95 through at least Win NT and WinME, and
probably also Win2000 and XP.

> Question 3 : In the directory :
> ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/ghost/ghostgum/beta/
> 
> there are more files; there is also a gsv412rsc.zip file What is in this
> source-file? Do I need to install this file as well?

No, that is the source code, written in C, for those who for whatever
reason want to compile it from source, of perhaps hack it a bit.

> Question 4 : Or is it best to uninstall GHostscript 7.04, and then
> install Ghostscript 7.03 together with GSview release v4.1?

I have no personal experience with either of those, so I can't vouch for
the quality or reliability of any of them, but personally, I'd go with
uninstalling 7.04 and going to 7.03.

> 
> Question 5 : When uninstalling, since these programs run under DOS and
> cannot be uninstalled via the Control Panel, does it suffice to just
> remove the pertaining directories?

Don't know -- I'm not much of a Windows user.  But I thought I recalled
that when it installed and created a folder for itself in the start menu,
it also created a menu item for uninstall.  Did you find anything in the
notes that came with it about uninstalling?

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Re: request for help

[Bob Schmertz]

On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 09:34:21AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I've loaded "Lilypond" into my computer (Windows 98).  When I click on
> the Icon on the desk top, I get a screen, the center of which is black.
> A rapid series of files is shown and then a tool bar.  The only icons on
> the tool bar that are operable enlarge or decrease the size of the
> screen.  Nothing else works.  What should I do?
> 

I've never used the Windows version, but...

Could you be a little more specific about what steps you've followed so
far?  Did you download and run the setup.exe as described at
http://lilypond.org/stable/Documentation/windows/out-www/installing.html ?
Which step do you believe yourself to be at?  Does the black screen have a
command prompt you can type things into?

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GPL License (was: Diverses editions questions)

[Bob Schmertz]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> >mercial  distribution. What I mean is, can something that
>> >has  been  typesetted  with  Lilypond  and layed out with
>> >LaTeX be elligible for selling?
>> 
>> I'm not a specialist on the Gnu licences, but as far as
>> I can understand, there's nothing that prevents you from 
>> using Lilypond for commercial typesetting.
>
>everyone has my full permission to sell lily output for whatever
>people want to pay.

In fact, if you were to say otherwise, that might be in violation of the
GPL.  The GNU GPL places restrictions on distribution of the program and
its source code, but these restrictions usually do not apply to the output
of the program.  One of the freedoms guaranteed by the license is that you
can use the program for whatever purpose you like, including making money,
as long as you follow the rules regarding modification and re-distribution
of the program.

One interesting exception was with the Bison parser generator.  The output
of a Bison program allegedly does contain actual parts of the source
code of Bison.  It was initially judged that Bison could not be used to
make proprietary software, because that software would contain some of the
GPL'ed source code of Bison.  The makers of Bison, however, decided to
make an explicit exception for this, allowing the output of Bison to be
used in any way, including in proprietary software.

There's plenty of commercial software for Unix, sold in binary form only,
that has been compiled with gcc.  This is OK, because these binaries are
the output of gcc, not gcc itself.

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Re: Compile Troubles

[Bob Schmertz]

On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Alan McConnell wrote:

>end.  Here are the last few lines of the stdout of make:
>
>(start)
>lexer.ll: In member function `virtual int My_lily_lexer::yylex()':
>lexer.ll:486: cannot convert `std::istream*' to `istream*' in assignment
>lexer.ll: In member function `void yyFlexLexer::yy_load_buffer_state()':
>lexer.ll:1009: cannot convert `istream*' to `std::istream*' in assignment
>lexer.ll: In member function `void 
>   yyFlexLexer::yy_init_buffer(yy_buffer_state*, std::istream*)':
>lexer.ll:1060: cannot convert `std::istream*' to `istream*' in assignment

[some warnings snipped]

>make[1]: *** [out/lexer.o] Error 1
>rm out/lexer.cc
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/music/lilypond-1.4.8/lily'
>make: *** [all] Error 2
>
>   -(finish)
>
>I am running Debian Woody, gcc 3.0, and GNU make, version 3.79.1.
>

I have built LilyPond, with good old gcc 2.96, but not with gcc 3.0.  All
I could find was seemingly bad news, in particular this quote from
http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/help-flex/2001-August/000245.html :

> I cannot get a flex-generated parser compiled with gcc-3.0.1. 
> > Seems to be a minor problem with istream stuff. 
> However, when trying to patch it myself I really drowned in flex's 
> #ifdef jungle. Could you please have a look and fix that?

This is in the works for the next release of flex. For now, if you can
stick to gcc 2.95.3, you'll be better off. Let me know privately if
that's not enough for you.

--Will

Wish I could give you better news.  Seems like now is not the time to rely
on gcc 3.0 as your main compiler.

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Re: Another silly font question

[Bob Schmertz]

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I've been using Lily for about two years now, always compiling from
>source, usually with no problems. Having not had time to do any
>typesetting for six months or so I thought it was time to get back to
>it, and set about installing the latest 'stable' rpm (Redhat7.1). This
>is on a completely vanilla installation of the OS.
>
>After sticking in the RPM, I tried to re-compile some of my old scores,
>only to find that it can't find most of the fonts. I then uninstalled
>the RPM and tried from the latest source tarball - again no fonts. I've
>scanned the FAQ and the last month or so of this list and can't find
>anything helpful, so the question is:

I'm using Red Hat 7.1.  I have not set up any environment variables
relating to fonts, nor anything else that seems to be related to Lilypond,
but everything works fine.  I installed from source.

The one unusual thing I remember doing was folloiwing the FAQ,
http://lilypond.org/wiki/?LilyPondFaqs, where it says:

In Redhat or Mandrake, with lilypond built from source, the procedure
is:

cd /usr/share/texmf/fonts/source/public

ln -s /usr/local/share/lilypond/mf lilypond

and I probably ran the 'mktexlsr' after that, as instructed.  You made no
mention of making any links, so I wonder if that's a question you missed
in the FAQ.

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Re: to MIDI or not to MIDI

[Bob Schmertz]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Maury Merkin wrote:

>
>I've got a file foo.ly which compiles with no error messages
>and 'ly2dvi -P foo.ly' produces the desired foo.ps just as I
>desire but I can't figure out how to produce a midi file.
>
>Here are the last several lines of foo.ly:
> begin 
>
>\score {
> \simultaneous {
>
>  %\accompaniment
>   \context ChordNames
>\accompaniment
>
>  \melody
>  }
> }
> \midi  { \tempo  4 = 72  }
> \paper { linewidth = 10.0\cm }

I'm kind of a newbie too, but in the files I have, the \paper and \midi
tags go *inside* the closing brace of \score.

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Re: [LU] Xdvi / dynamic font size

[Bob Schmertz]

On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Amelie Zapf wrote:

>Hi folks,
>
>since I installed the recommended xdvi instead of xdvik, I keep having 
>problems. This xdvi does not show graphical elements that span multiple 
>notes, i.e. slurs, ties, connected flags in 8th (or shorter) notes (what are 
>they called in English again?). Is there a remedy?

You must be referring to "beams".  Yes, I had been wondering about
that.  On my version of xdvi (xdvi(k) version 22.15-k j1.03 -- is this
then xdvik?  I can't invoke it as such...) everything looks fine, but if I
use the zoom mode (left clicking on the display and panning around), those
horizontal elements disappear in the zoom window.

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Re: clusters: note spacing problem and other things

[Bob Schmertz]

On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, David Pirotte wrote:

>Hello
>
>;; --
>
>I am new user of lilypond. I am a composer, a young composer, and I hope
>that I will be able to write my music with lilypond. But modern music is
>quite demanding and so much more difficult to typeset then ancient
>music.

I, too, am a new user, so I can only make some half-educated guesses to
your problems :)

>   ly2dvi (GNU LilyPond) 1.5.13

I am using 1.4.7, so forgive me if what I say might not apply to your
version.

>1. the following compiles ok
>
>   \score {
> \notes <
>   \context Staff = Cl {
> \property Staff.instrument = "Cl Sib"
> \time 8/4 
> \clef violin
> {r2. r2.}

...which does not fill out an 8/4 measure...

> }
>   \context Staff = staffB {
> \time 8/4
> \clef bass
> \relative a,
> {a2.  }

In my version of lilypond, the suffix for the accidental must come
immediately after the note name.  Thus, for a half-note A-sharp, you must
write 'ais2', not 'a2is'.

>   but does not produce the expected display results: even the "r2." and
>   the "a2." does not produce the result expected, (the dot is in the note,
>   and not after the note)
>
>   or is it my xdvi? (it seems i have xdvik, should i get another xdvi?

Even with the problems I mentioned, the initial a2. looks fine to
me; maybe it is indeed your xdvi.  You could run dvips or dvipdf and view
it with gv to confirm.

>
>2. the following does not compiles
>

[snip]

> {a2.  }
>% a2is. instead of a2is

Now I'm sure that placing the dot after the accidental suffix isn't going
to work...

>3. i wanted to call staff using numbers to, but is seems not possible:

I'm a newbie to LilyPond and the TeX world in general, but it does seem to
me that variable names in TeX (and, by extension, LilyPond) can't contain
digits, unfortunately.  This would include staff names and anything else
you might give a name.

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Re: help for a newbie

[Bob Schmertz]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
>   Hello everybody,
>
>   I am a newbie and a try to enter the following example on Lilypond.
>I don't understand what is wrong in my file, the braces semm (to me???)
>correct, and Lilypond issues 2 errors.


This angle bracket seems to be unmatched.  I'm a newbie, too, so I don't
know if this has a purpose, but I think it needs to be eliminated or
closed somewhere before you can close any of your curly braces ('}').
-|
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 v
>  <  | 
> |
>   \bar "||"
>} }
>  >
> \paper { }
> }
>===
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Chord Lineup

[Bob Fowle]

I am a new user to Lilypond. I have been working with it now for several 
days. I am trying to get the chordnames to line up on the staff bases on the 
measures and I can't seem to do it. Does anyone have any ideas on what to try?

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