historical treatises – various questions

[Derek Remeš]

Greetings,I’m considering making a modern edition/translation of a very large historical treatise in lyluatex. The first example is attached. As a newbie with Lilypond/Frescobaldi I have several questions for which I can’t seem to find answers. How can I...(1) ...place a time signature in brackets to show that it is editorial?(2) ...fix the incipit to omit the C and center the original clef?(3) ...start the next example with a new tim sig, key sig, bar numbers, instrument names, and indent? Or should I make separate .ly files? There would be hundreds...(4) …have lilypond label all examples consecutively? Or should lyluatex do this at the compilation stage?(5) …show the page numbers of the original treatise at the top of the system: previous page# | next page# ?Any other suggestions for incorporating large amounts of text and numerous complex musical examples (such as in textbooks)?Many thanks,Derek

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figured bass in staff context

[Derek Remeš]

Hello,I’m a new user as of today. I’ve input my first score in LilyPond today (a Telemann song) and I can’t figure out how to enter the figured bass directly into the staff context, as described here because I’ve used Frescobaldi’s template, which has a different setup. The problem is that the alignment is off (all single figures should be one level lower). Unfortunately I don’t know how to make a tiny example of this.I’m also trying to figure out the best way of entering and translating Telemann’s text at the bottom. A footnote, header, or something else?Many thanks in advance.Best wishes,Derek Remeš

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Re: calling all opera/musical engravers

[Derek]

I haven't done one but I am keen to learn. If those who know don't mind me
asking what their strategies/workflows are like for such huge works?
Thanks



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Re: Acciaccatura slur to top note of chord

[Derek]

cheers



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Re: Acciaccatura slur to top note of chord

[Derek]

Thanks Federico, that will work but for future reference I am curious as to
why the slur attaches to the lower note with my original code.

cheers 



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Acciaccatura slur to top note of chord

[Derek]

I have a vocal/piano score and the piano score has two voices per hand and in
one hand I am trying to attach the acciaccatura slur to the top note of the
chord but I can't seem to get it to work. Here it the code if anyone would
have any suggestions or tell me what I am doing wrong. 
Thank you

\version "2.17.29"

\header {

  tagline = ##f
}

global = {
  \key bes \major
  \numericTimeSignature
  \time 3/8
  \tempo 4=100
}

rightOne = \relative c'' {
  \global
  % Music follows here.
  
}

rightTwo = \relative c'' {
  \global
  % Music follows here.
8^.  
  
\stemUp  \acciaccatura  d'\stemNeutral16^\(   \) 
}

leftOne = \relative c' {
  \global
  % Music follows here.
  
}

leftTwo = \relative c' {
  \global
  % Music follows here.
  
}

\score {
  \new PianoStaff \with {
instrumentName = "Piano"
shortInstrumentName = "Pno."
  } <<
\new Staff = "right" \with {
  midiInstrument = "acoustic grand"
} << \rightOne \\ \rightTwo >>
\new Staff = "left" \with {
  midiInstrument = "acoustic grand"
} { \clef bass << \leftOne \\ \leftTwo >> }
  >>
  \layout { }
  \midi { }
}
 



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Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Portfile for Frescobaldi on Mac

[Derek]

Too late for me I had to do a fresh install of os x and totally borked me
Macports/frescobaldi install..



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Re: Piano music switching staves

[Derek]

@Ben I was trying to make the example as simple as possible so I omitted all
that stuff but I can put it back in when I get home. 

I tried using the example in the documentation but it just added another
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Piano music switching staves

[Derek]

Hi there I hope this example is short enough I am trying to use the change
staff thing to get the bes4 in leftTwo to display in rightOne with the line
that show it is switching staves like in the attachment. Does anyone have
any pointers, I have gone through the documentation but obviously there is
something I am not understanding, any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you

 


global = {
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4
}

rightOne = \relative c'' {
  \global
 
   bes2\( d4\)
}

rightTwo = \relative c'' {
  \global

   f,2.
}

leftOne = \relative c' {
  \global
 
  4 s2
}

leftTwo = \relative c' {
  \global
  
   bes4 2 
}





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Applying Statistical Analysis to a Lilypond File

[Derek Klinge]

I am working on a project that involves statistically analyzing music by
counting the number (perhaps also duration) of specific notes (say # of
notes above middle C). Are there any internals in Lilypond that might help
accomplish this?
Thanks,
Derek
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Portfile for Frescobaldi on Mac

[Derek]

That is freaking awesome and a breeze to install. Thanks!



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Re: frescobaldi on mac

[Derek]

That is awesome and perfectly clear thank you!



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Re: explicit 7 on a half diminished 7

[Derek Klinge]

Using Version 2.16.2-1 on a macbook
Thanks

Derek


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Derek Klinge  wrote:

> Exactly, how do I write a chordname exception for a Half Diminished 7th?
> I can provide an example if needed.
> Thanks,
> Derek
>
> Derek
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:38 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Derek Klinge  wrote:
>>
>> > For the life of me I cannot figure this out.
>> > I would like the following example to explicitly include the 7. Is
>> there a way to change the way it handles half diminished 7ths?
>> >
>> > EXAMPLE
>> > \chords {
>> >   c4:7.9- c:7.9-/g
>> >   \set slashChordSeparator = \markup { " over " }
>> >   \break
>> >   c4:7.9- c:7.9-/g
>> > }
>>
>>
>>
>> I am confused as well.  I don't understand his code in terms of his
>> question because c4:7.9- is not a half-diminished chord, it is an altered
>> chord that should print as C7b9.
>>
>> The default rendering of a C half-diminished chord of c4:min7.5- in
>> LilyPond, at least prior to 2.17, would be Cø and my guess is that he wants
>> it printed as Cmin7b5 or C-7b5.  To achieve that the OP needs to write a
>> chordname exception.
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Re: explicit 7 on a half diminished 7

[Derek Klinge]

Exactly, how do I write a chordname exception for a Half Diminished 7th?
I can provide an example if needed.
Thanks,
Derek

Derek


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:38 AM, Tim McNamara  wrote:

>
> On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Derek Klinge  wrote:
>
> > For the life of me I cannot figure this out.
> > I would like the following example to explicitly include the 7. Is there
> a way to change the way it handles half diminished 7ths?
> >
> > EXAMPLE
> > \chords {
> >   c4:7.9- c:7.9-/g
> >   \set slashChordSeparator = \markup { " over " }
> >   \break
> >   c4:7.9- c:7.9-/g
> > }
>
>
>
> I am confused as well.  I don't understand his code in terms of his
> question because c4:7.9- is not a half-diminished chord, it is an altered
> chord that should print as C7b9.
>
> The default rendering of a C half-diminished chord of c4:min7.5- in
> LilyPond, at least prior to 2.17, would be Cø and my guess is that he wants
> it printed as Cmin7b5 or C-7b5.  To achieve that the OP needs to write a
> chordname exception.
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explicit 7 on a half diminished 7

[Derek Klinge]

For the life of me I cannot figure this out.
I would like the following example to explicitly include the 7. Is there a
way to change the way it handles half diminished 7ths?

EXAMPLE

\chords {
  c4:7.9- c:7.9-/g
  \set slashChordSeparator = \markup { " over " }
  \break
  c4:7.9- c:7.9-/g
}


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Re: frescobaldi on mac

[Derek]

Installing now



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Re: frescobaldi on mac

[Derek]

But you expect others to have the time and acquire the skill set.  And 
probably also buy themselves the same sort of computer that you want to 
use.  Why?

Once again where are you getting that from? I basically said the same thing
as Christian A. 
" I wish I could somehow find the time needed to contribute better."

but for some reason you took my comment as some sort of spoilt child asking
everyone to do everything for him type thing which it wasn't.

"So what steps did you take to make sure that others will have it easier 
and benefit from your experience?"

If anything I discovered wasn't in the particular thread I was reading I
posted it to help anyone else who might have the same issue. What else could
I do?

"Using LilyPond" is neutral (apart from incurring hosting/download 
costs).  Contributing back to a community involves more than just using 
the software.  Complaining about the software is a feedback, but without 
the investment of time and care required to make that complaint specific 
and addressable, it does not help the community or ultimately the 
software." 

Am I complaining about the software?? No I think it fantastic.

"Attitudes and PR will not make a difference regarding how hard it is to 
use LilyPond on a Mac.  LilyPond is supported by an active and 
incredibly helpful community (which happens to pay my bills as well in 
order to keep myself working on the project).  But there are limits to 
what it can do.  If no actual users of a platform can be bothered to get 
involved in deployment (which requires a lot of cooperation and detailed 
feedback), then there will be no support or the existing support will 
eventually break down."

Once again when was I complaining about the software or how hard it was to
use? I wasn't. I merely commented on the attitudes towards mac users their
seems to be around here. I never asked you to come to my house and fix
anything. I just said I wish I knew more so I could contribute and you
started patronising me. 

"And that is not something that can be resolved by complaining about it, 
and by complaining in general that it is the responsibility of some 
mystical higher class of humans known as "programmers" who are bound to 
work on the problems of all others because everyone knows that they 
don't have a life of their own. 

Even the "programmers" need something substantial to work with."

Once again did I complain about a technical issue? And if one were to
comment on a technical issue who but those with the programming abilities
can fix it? For some reason you have an issue with my comment even though
those same sentiments were posted by others. What gives?



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Re: frescobaldi on mac

[Derek]

Blah Blah and when I was a kid I had to walk five miles uphill in the snow to
school both ways... 

Whatever it sounds like to you you are wrong. My point was that with my
programming skills  I wouldn't be of much use to anyone else ie I can't make
an installer package and contribute as I don't have the time or the skill
set. I finally got it running just reading this forum, nobody came and held
my hand or did it for me so enough with patronising bollocks, it seems to be
a pattern around here. If I didn't like the program so much I would have
bailed long ago. Do you actually want people to use lilypond or do you want
to send them on their way because they don't use linux or aren't as
technically minded as others? People bagging out mac users or spamming the
Steinberger blog with Lilypond evangelism, the program is fantastic but the
attitudes and pr around here need some work.



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Re: frescobaldi on mac

[Derek]

Believe me if I were a programmer I would and I am sure many are in the same
boat.



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Re: Huge gap between piano staves

[Derek]

Thank you for that. It is greatly appreciated.I'm still on the learning curve
for this one.



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RE: Huge gap between piano staves

[Derek]

I have tried to make a tiny example here but just shortening my file to ten
bars. I don't know if it is still too big though. I am sure that the problem
arises from my attempt to add centred dynamics to the piano score but I
don't know how to fix it. I have fiddle with every parameter I could find
but nothing seems to change it. 

I apologise in advance if this really isn't what a tiny example is supposed
to look like but in making a tiny example I don't want to inadvertently
remove the problem I have created

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

The full file is here too just in case it would make more sense to anyone.
http://d.pr/f/2x3m


\version "2.16.0"

\language "nederlands"




\header {
  title = "Au fond du temple saint"
  
  
}
\paper {
  system-count = #29 |% 
%  min-systems-per-page =#2
 
annotate-spacing = ##f 
   system-system-spacing #'basic-distance = #8 % adjust the value 
   score-system-spacing =
 #'((minimum-distance . 8) % be close, when needed 
(basic-distance . 16) 
(stretchability . 0) 
(padding . 1))
  bottom-margin = 1\cm
  ragged-last-bottom = ##t
  left-margin =20\mm
  right-margin =20\mm


}



\layout {

}




global = {
  \key es \major
  \time 4/4

#(set-global-staff-size 17.82)
}

tenorVoice = \relative c' {
  \global
  \dynamicUp

  % Music follows here. 
  \stemNeutral
  \autoBeamOff

  r1 | %1
  r2 r4 r8 \once\override DynamicText #'extra-offset = #'( -0.0 . -1.0)f,8\p
|%2
  bes4. bes8 c4. g8 |%3
  bes2 r4 r8 bes8 |%4
  es4. es8 f4. c8 |%5
  es2 r4 r8 es16 ees |%6
  as2 g4. g8 |%7
  f4~f8 r8 r4 r8 ees8 |%8
  d4. d8 c4. c8 | %9

  
}

verseTenorVoice = \lyricmode {
  % Lyrics follow here.
  \override LyricText #'self-alignment-X = #-1

  Au
  fond du tem -- ple
  saint pa-
  ré de fleurs et
  d'or U- ne
  femme ap -- pa --
  raît __ \skip1 Je
  crois la voir en-
  cor
 

}

bassVoice = \relative c {
  \global
  \dynamicUp

  % Music follows here.
  \set Score.melismaBusyProperties = #'()
  r1 | %1
  R1 | %2
  R1 | %3
  R1 |%4
  R1 |%5
  R1 |%6
  R1 |%7 
  \autoBeamOff
  r4 r8 aes' 16 aes g 4 g8. g16 | %8
  f4 r4 r2 | %9
 
 
}

verseBassVoice = \lyricmode {
  % Lyrics follow here.
  \override LyricText #'self-alignment-X = #-1
  U- ne femme ap- pa- raît Je crois la voir en- cor2.__ \skip1


}

right = \relative c'' {
  \global
  
  % Music follows here.
  f,1
  d1
  |%2
  8(   |%3
  8  )%4
  8 (_[ ] ) |%5
  8 (_[ ]   
 ) |%6
  \ottava #0
  \set Staff.ottavation = #"8"
  < ees, c'> (_[   ]  _[ 
]) | %7
  \ottava #0
  (   )
|%8
  \( |%9
 
 
}


left = \relative c' {
  \global
  \tempo "Andante" 4 = 66
  % Music follows here.
  < f, f,>1   |%1 
  < d d,>1|%2
  << {r8 ( } \\ { 1 ~  }>>%3
  << { 8)}\\
{1} >>%4



  << {  r8  _()}\\{1~}>> |%5

  << { 8 _(  
)}\\ {1}>> | %6

  << {r8  \clef treble < c' aes'>_(  )}\\{1}>> |%7

  <<{}\\{  8  (^[  ]  ^[ ])  \clef bass}>> |%8

 (   | %9





}

pedal = {

  s1|%1
  s1|%2
  s1 \sustainOn |%3
  s4 s4 s4  s8 s16 s16 \sustainOff |%4
  s1 \sustainOn |%5
  s4 s4 s4  s8 s16 \sustainOff s16 |%6
  s1 \sustainOn |%7
  s4 s4 s4  s8 s16 \sustainOff  s16 |%8
  s4 \sustainOn s4 s4  s8 s16  \sustainOff s16 |%9
  s1 \sustainOn  |%10
  



}

dynamics = {


  \once\override DynamicText #'extra-offset = #'( -6.1 . 1.7) s16\ppp s16 s8
s4 \once\override DynamicText #'X-offset = #-3 s4\unaCorda s4 % |1
  s1 %|2
  s1%|3
  s1%|4
  s1%|5
  s1%|6
  s1%|7
  s1%|8
  s1%|9


}


tenorVoicePart = \new Staff \with {
   \override VerticalAxisGroup #'default-staff-staff-spacing =
  #'(
 (padding . 8))
  instrumentName = "Nadir"
  shortInstrumentName = "N."
  midiInstrument = "choir aahs"
} { \clef "treble_8" \tenorVoice }
\addlyrics { \verseTenorVoice  }

bassVoicePart = \new Staff \with {
  \override VerticalAxisGroup #'default-staff-staff-spacing =
  #'(
 (padding . 8))
  instrumentName = "Zurga"
  shortInstrumentName = "Z."
  midiInstrument = "choir aahs"
} { \clef bass \bassVoice }
\addlyrics { \verseBassVoice }

pianoPart =

\new PianoStaff \with { instrumentName = "Piano"  shortInstrumentName = "" }
<<
  \new Staff = "right" \with { midiInstrument = "acoustic grand"} \right
  \new Dynamics = "Dynamics_pf" \dynamics
  \new Staff = "left" \with { midiInstrument = "acoustic grand" } { \clef
bass \left }
  \new Dynamics = "pedal" \pedal

>>



\score {

  <<
\tenorVoicePart
\bassVoicePart
\pianoPart


  >>
  \layout {

% define Dynamics context
\context {
  \type "Engraver_group"
  \name Dynamics
  \alias Voice
  \consists "Output_property_engraver"
  \consists "Piano_pedal_engraver"
  \consists "Script_engraver"
  \consists "New_dynamic_engraver"
  \consists "Dynamic_align_engraver"
  \consists "Text_engraver"
  \consists "Skip_event_swallow_translator"
  \consists "Axis_group_engraver"

  pedalSustainStrings = #'("Ped." "*Ped." "*")
  pedalUnaCordaStrings = #'("una corda" ""

Re: Running Lilypond from Fraise

[Derek]

Yup I can open small ones I can see the syntax coding and all that so it
looks pretty sweet but any of my larger ones it crashes out. Maybe my scores
are just a mess. I just copied and pasted one of my files into a new file
and it crashed on the engraving. Here is a link to one if you want to test
it out http://d.pr/f/ZkP6 



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Re: Running Lilypond from Fraise

[Derek]

That looks pretty awesome but any of my existing .ly files seem to crash it.
I would love a native app to replace the mess that porting frescobaldi
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Re: Frecobaldi 2 Mac OS X install guide

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+1



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Huge gap between piano staves

[Derek]

Hi there, 

I have a vocal/piano score with centered dynamics for the piano part. As
soon as I added the dynamics ( \new Dynamics = "Dynamics_pf" \dynamics) the
gap between the right and left hand of the piano became enormous even where
there weren't any dynamics between them. I have scoured the documentation
but for the life of me I cannot find a solution to shrink the gap between
the two.

 
I am running 2.16
I also have a staff for the pedal ( \new Dynamics = "pedal" \pedal) and I
can't seem to get enough of a gap between the pedal markings and the next
stave. Any suggestions?

 

 



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Re: Frecobaldi 2 Mac OS X install guide

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Seems to be working now. Thank you very very much to everyone who took the
time to detail this process it is greatly appreciated.





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Re: Frecobaldi 2 Mac OS X install guide

[Derek]

Having issues here as well. I made a comment on another thread about making a
guide idiot proof and was ridiculed for my choice of operating system.
Frescobaldi is a fantastic piece of software and would love to be able to
use it on my laptop as well instead of having to boot into linux to use it



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Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.10

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sigh...



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Re: Frecobaldi 2 Mac OS X install guide

[Derek]

Hi there, I followed the instructions properly (I think) but I am running
into this error when I try to launch frescobaldi

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "frescobaldi", line 3, in 
import frescobaldi_app.main
  File "/Applications/frescobaldi-2.0.10/frescobaldi_app/main.py", line 26,
in 
import sip
ImportError: No module named sip

Any ideas?
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Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.10

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It is all good. I was being a bit obtuse just to be 100% clear. Having said
that and I am not directing this at you David but in general: lilypond and
frescobaldi are fantastic peices of software and I believe they should be
more widely used but when newbies come here looking for help it doesn't help
promote the software when said newbies are berated (not in this case I know
it was a joke) for their choice of operating system. I have been lurking
here for a while and have seen this come up a few times.
Sorry to derail the thread just a thought.



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Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.10

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Sorry David, I don't understand what you are trying to say here.



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Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.10

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Does anyone have a complete idiot's guide to installing Frescobaldi on a mac
via macports or whatever? And when I say idiot I mean total idiot. Many of
the instructions I have found just say install this or that but leave out
the how to? I am in the same position I think popler doesn't work but the
whole thing is as slow as molasses, loading a file takes like 3 minutes.



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Re: Error: \override DynamicTextSpanner.style = #'none

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Ah yes  thank you!



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Error: \override DynamicTextSpanner.style = #'none

[Derek]

I am wanting to override the DynamicTextSpanner and I pulled the example
straight from the lilypond website and it won't compile. Running 2.16.2 
\paper {

}

\layout {
  
}

\header {

} % begin verbatim


\relative c'' {
  \override DynamicTextSpanner.style = #'none
  \crescTextCresc
  c1\< | d | b | c\!
}

tarting lilypond 2.16.2 [lily-df2a164d.ly]...
Processing `/home/shmk/Desktop/lily-df2a164d.ly'
Parsing...
/home/shmk/Desktop/lily-df2a164d.ly:30:37: error: syntax error, unexpected
'=', expecting SCM_FUNCTION or SCM_IDENTIFIER or SCM_TOKEN
  \override DynamicTextSpanner.style 
 = #'none
/home/shmk/Desktop/lily-df2a164d.ly:30:39: warning: Ignoring non-music
expression
  \override DynamicTextSpanner.style = 
   #'none
/home/shmk/Desktop/lily-df2a164d.ly:29:0: error: errors found, ignoring
music expression

\relative c'' {
fatal error: failed files: "/home/shmk/Desktop/lily-df2a164d.ly"
Exited with return code 1.

Any idea why this is happening or how to fix it?



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Re: cre - - sen - - do

[Derek]

I tried within my dymanic stave and this was the result:
s4 s8 {s8-\tweak#'text"cre"\cresc s4 s8-\tweak#'text"scen"\cresc s8%|28
s4 s8-\tweak#'text"do"\cresc s8 s4 -\tweak#'text"molto"\cresc s4%|29
s4\f} s4 s4 s4%|30
 






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Re: cre - - sen - - do

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Thanks for all the responses there are lots of options to try here



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Re: cre - - sen - - do

[Derek]

Would one do that, bug list thing, on the google project page?



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Re: cre - - sen - - do

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Awesome that works thanks! Thank you everybody who took the time to comment



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Re: cre - - sen - - do

[Derek]

Hi Jay, 
Thanks for that. I assume this means at this juncture it isn't possible?
cheers



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Re: cre - - sen - - do

[Derek]

Hey thanks, I tried that but I can't see a way to spread the syllables across
which is what I am looking for.



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cre - - sen - - do

[Derek]

Hi there, I have been searching for a while but I can't seem to find anything
like this. Does anyone know what I would use to spread a dynamic marking
like the one in the picture over a few notes or bars?
 



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Re: sustain pedals way below staff

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You are probably entirely correct on my mac I run 2.16 but on Linux it runs
2.14 and that is where I encountered the issue. Thanks for the heads up! 



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Re: sustain pedals way below staff

[Derek]

Sorry the score is just too complicated to post an example piano with tenor
and baritone. As the piano score has a lot of double voice type stuff {}//{}
I couldn't seem to get the sustain pedal to behave so I put it in its own
voice. Sorry if my terminology is off here. I used the vertical thingy I
posted above and it moved the pedal sustain on and off stmbols right up to
the notes so it is sorted. I don't know if it is a legitimate use of the
code but it sorted the problem. 



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Re: sustain pedals way below staff

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Nevermind i think I sorted it wiht \override VerticalAxisGroup etc etc



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sustain pedals way below staff

[Derek]

Hi I was wondering if anyone had a clue for fixing this. I have a vocal piano
score with the sustain pedal in its own group pedal ={} and I am getting
this crazy issue.
  Is this just
lilypond fitting the staves to the page as best as it sees fit or is there
anyway i can cram it up closer to the notes?
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Re: frescobaldi on mac

[Derek]

I don't now if this helps


localhost:python-poppler-qt4-0.16.2 shmk$ python setup.py install --user
Package poppler-qt4 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `poppler-qt4.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'poppler-qt4' found
running install
running build
running build_ext
building 'popplerqt4' extension
clang -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -dynamic -g -Os -pipe -fno-common
-fno-strict-aliasing -fwrapv -mno-fused-madd -DENABLE_DTRACE -DMACOSX
-DNDEBUG -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wshorten-64-to-32 -DNDEBUG -g -Os -Wall
-Wstrict-prototypes -DENABLE_DTRACE -arch i386 -arch x86_64 -pipe
-I/opt/local/include -I/opt/local/include/QtCore -I/opt/local/include/QtGui
-I/opt/local/include/QtXml
-I/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/include/python2.7
-I/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/include/python2.7
-c build/temp.macosx-10.8-intel-2.7/sippopplerqt4cmodule.cpp -o
build/temp.macosx-10.8-intel-2.7/build/temp.macosx-10.8-intel-2.7/sippopplerqt4cmodule.o
clang: warning: argument unused during compilation: '-mno-fused-madd'
In file included from
build/temp.macosx-10.8-intel-2.7/sippopplerqt4cmodule.cpp:7:
poppler-qt4.sip:22:10: fatal error: 'qt4/poppler-qt4.h' file not found
#include 
 ^
1 error generated.
error: command 'clang' failed with exit status 1
localhost:python-poppler-qt4-0.16.2 shmk$ 




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Re: frescobaldi on mac

[Derek]

Thanks for that. Yes it shows up in the module window. I have tried to
install using the commands you have posted but I always get a fatal error,
sorry not in from of my computer but it is something to do with #include
 not being at the correct path. It happens with the first
command you listed. Thanks for that help, it is appreciated.



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Re: frescobaldi on mac

[Derek]

I am trying to get frescobaldi to run. I have it installed and it loads
except I get the "could not load poplarqt4 module" Anyone know of a fix for
this?

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Re: Is there an easy solution to across voice slurs

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Thanks for all the suggestions, I'll give this a go tomorrow. I guess I
didn't really understand what the \\ thing did so I will have to do a bit
more reading and perhaps clean up the code I have it is rife with \\. It is
starting to make sense though. Thank you for the help everyone



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Re: Is there an easy solution to across voice slurs

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Thank you for the help

The first bes4|) is the tail end of a previous slur. I actually want the
slur to start \context Voice = "1" { bes4\)~bes8 r8   *bes'2 \(* } and
continue until line 24 ending on the ees4 where the \) is placed. The
attached image is where the slur should start on the high Bb

 
The stem down things are there because I am transcribing a score and that is
how it is written but they are the part I want the slur to go over. 

I am sorry I am new to this so this is still a bit confusing, if I were to
google the lilypond documentation what am I actually looking for?  Once
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Re: Is there an easy solution to across voice slurs

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Can I ask why this isn't something one would want implemented within
lilypond? Seems like it can happen in printed music quite a lot. 



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Is there an easy solution to across voice slurs

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Hi there, 

I was just wondering if there are any options for doing cross voice slurs
like in this silly example

\version "2.16.2"

global = {
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4
}

violin = \relative c'' {
  \global
  % Music follows here.
  <<{c2 \(e}\\{c,4 d e f}>>
c'2\) d4 c

}

\score {
  \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Violin"
midiInstrument = "violin"
  } \violin
  \layout { }
  \midi {
\context {
  \Score
  tempoWholesPerMinute = #(ly:make-moment 100 4)
}
  }
}


Where in order to make the slur work I don't have to add another voice
<<{}\\{}>>? This seems a bit strange to me as there are tons of these types
of slurs, at least in the types of music I am looking at. The stems always
need to be rearranged and the rest, if there are any, always end up floating
up or down where they aren't wanted. It seems one has to go through a lot of
hoops just to add a slur. Maybe I am making an issue where there isn't one
but if anyone can shed any light on how to make the slur in the example
above work that would be fantastic
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RE: sustain pedal warnings

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I just figured it out, I made a staff just for pedal sustainOn and offs.
Sweet! Thanks for the help



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RE: sustain pedal warnings

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Cheers thanks for that I will give those suggestions a try. I have to say I
love the way these scores look when they are outputted. Kills any other
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RE: sustain pedal warnings

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Hi thanks for the quick response. Please forgive my ignorance but I am not
sure I can wrap it down to a minimal full example, I still haven't sorted
out how to make files without the template wizard. It is just the piano part
of a vocal score. The actual points in the score where the pedal markings
appear are correct (see attached image starting bar 7 ending bar 8) 

it is just the warnings keep adding up. 

Once again forgive me, if I misunderstand the move you suggest. The sustain
off is required at the end of the following bar and it only has one voice
none of the <<{}\\{}>> stuff. From what I have read it seems this happens
with cross voice type things. One suggestion was to add empty voices but
then that muddles with the stems and the rests get raised or lowered and
things like that. I also have the same issue with slur that go cross voice
and by that i mean one bar has the <<{}\\{}>> whilst the following bar
doesn't.

Another solution I have read is to give the pedal marking their own stave so
to speak so they are separated from the music but I still haven't figured
out how to do that either. I am on like day two of using lilypond so I am
still on the learning curve. Seems fantastic so far I just need to
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[Derek]

Hi there, 

I am a bit of a new user but I have looked everywhere I can to find a
solution to this issue. I get tons of *warning: cannot find start of piano
pedal: `Sustain'* warnings and I can't seem to get rid of them an example of
my code that gets a warning follows. Any suggestions?


<< {r8 \sustainOn\clef treble < c' aes'>_(   
  )}\\{1 }>> |%7
  
  8  ( ) \sustainOff \clef bass |%8

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header tweaks

[Derek]

I have noticed that for each field in the header of a piece, there is only one
line allowed. In some cases I have used two separate fields to print a header on
two lines, such as:

composer = "Words and music by"
arranger = "composer's name"

In some pieces, I would like to have the copyright field span two lines. This
works fine when the piece is one page long:

copyright = "line 1"
tagline = "line 2"

However, some pieces span more than one page, and of course, the tagline will
print on the last page, while the copyright field will print on the first page.
Do you have any ideas how I could print a two-line copyright notice on the first
page? Thank you for your time.


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Kneed Beams in Multiple Voices

[Derek Klinge]

List,
 I am trying to typeset a Bach Fugue. It would be much prettier if I could
have kneed beams in a polyphonic texture. I cannot figure out how to have
kneed beam in \voiceTwo

\relative c'' {
\new PianoStaff <<
  \new Staff = "up"  { << { g4 ges f fes } \\ {bes,8 c16 des ees8 \change
Staff = "down" ees,^] aes \change Staff = "up" bes16 c des4 } >> }
  \new Staff = "down" { \clef bass des,16 f ees des ces des ees8 ~ ees16 des
c bes ces bes aes }
>>
}

Thanks,
Derek
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Re: No time signature?

[Derek Schmidt]

Thanks all for the help.

I found that Mark's solution works best, with one minor addition from
an example on the LSR:

 \layout {
raggedright = ##t
\context {
  \Staff
  whichBar = #""
  \remove "Time_signature_engraver"
}
  }

I'm guessing that the whichBar = #"" command makes it work for every staff?

Thanks again,
A

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Mark Polesky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A,
>
> I think it's better to remove the Time_signature_engraver
> from the Staff context, so it works in all staves without
> needing to retype the command for each staff. See below.
>
> Hope this helps.
> - Mark
>
>
> \version "2.11.63-1"
>
> \score {
>  <<
>  \new Staff \relative { g' a b c}
>  \new Staff \relative { g' a b c }
>  >>
>
>  \layout {
>
>%% insert these lines within the
>%% layout block after your music:
>\context {
>  \Staff
>  \remove Time_signature_engraver
>}
>
>  }
> }
>
>
>
>


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Re: No time signature?

[Derek Schmidt]

Graham,

I did briefly look at that chapter. What I really need to know is:
will it take away any bar lines? Or at least let me decide where to
put them?

I actually don't want the Gregorian style (or, at least, that's not
what I'm working on). I don't know enough about Gregorian chant to
know if it's similar (for all intents and purposes) to Slavic and
Byzantine chant.

Thanks again,
A

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Graham Percival
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Ancient music chapter shows many examples of this, but
> unfortunately it has not been updated yet, and I can't figure out
> how to do it indepedently of the rest of the Mensural or Gregorian
> style.
>
> However, I'd be surprised if you *don't* want the rest of the
> Gregorian style (if that's the type of chant you're doing), so I
> would encourage you to look at the Ancient music chapter of the
> docs.
>
> Cheers,
> - Graham
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 04:36:04PM -0800, alyozhik wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm new to Lilypond. I've been looking for a way to typeset music without
>> time signatures. This is because I'm transcribing chants that often use
>> _recitativ_ and rarely follow any strict meter--the rhythm of the chant is
>> completely text-driven.
>>
>> Any way to do this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> A
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RE: "quadlets"

[Derek Kaye]

never mind, fixed it.. it was because the 'underneath' note was the same as the 
last note of the 'quadlet' ( :$ )
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"quadlets"

[Derek Kaye]

If i have the following code:<<{\times 6/4 {aes'8 g' f' ees'}} \\ ees'2.>>e.g.
I want a "quadlet" with a 2. note underneath, It displays fine in pdf,
but the midi will only play the first 3 notes of the "quadlet".Any idea why, 
and how I can fix this?(the time signature is 6/8)Many thanksDerek Kaye
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help with multiple staves

[Derek Kaye]

hi thereI am having a large about of trouble with one of my pieces. This is 
piece with organ and choir.There is about 2.5 pages worth of just organ before 
the choir come in, but I have no way of suppressing the choir lines for these 
pages, hence making what should be 2 pages actually 6 pages.The closest thing 
that I imagined would work is shown below, based on how the brackets work in 
the music. (the organ pieces are split at the point where the choir come 
in)\score<<<<\new PianoStaff<<{
\TrebOrganOne}{\BassOrganOne
}>>{\PedalOne}>><<\new 
ChoirStaff<<{\SopOne
\AltoOne\TenorOne\BassOne}
>>\new PianoStaff<<{\TrebOrganTwo   
 }{\BassOrganTwo}>> 
   {\PedalTwo}how on earth do I make this so that 
the choir lines only show when needed!Thanks for the helpRegardsDerek Kaye
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