Re: Community of professional LilyPond engravers?
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Michael J. O'Donnell michael_odonn...@acm.org wrote: I am pondering offering engraving services with LilyPond. I wonder if there are people ready and willing to share information on the possibility to make modest money this way. I found one (slightly broken) thread in the archives: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-10/msg00482.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-11/msg2.html which indicates that several people use LilyPond for professional projects, but they seem to be activities within a larger job, rather than pay specifically for engraving. I found one person offering Finale engraving ranging from 2 cents to 5 cents per note: http://home.earthlink.net/~rscarbro/russell/music_prep.htmhttp://home.earthlink.net/%7Erscarbro/russell/music_prep.htm but I didn't understand precisely what he was charging for. His examples looked to me inferior to LilyPond results, but they were in low resolution pictures. I found a list of people offering mostly Finale engraving from $20 to $80 per hour: http://www.musicengravers.com/ I have no idea how much they accomplish in one hour. I like the relative objectivity of a charge per note. So, if there is enough interest (i.e., at least 2 other people), I suggest that we develop a discussion within the LilyPond Wiki: http://wiki.lilynet.net/index.php/Main_Page If there's enough response, I'll join the Wiki, make sure that this is within it's scope, and provide a front page. So far, I have some examples to share, and a crude sed script for counting notes. Cheers, Mike O'Donnell ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user just fyi: as far as i know, in the netherlands with finale, engravers get paid per FRAME - this is a built-in function in the software. very best, oscar -- oscarvandil...@gmail.com www.oscarvandillen.com ** The information contained in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or reproduction is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of viruses, no responsibility can be accepted for any loss or damage arising in any way from receipt or use thereof. ** ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond as MediaWiki extension does not print in Extension:Collection
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:26 PM, John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/27 Oscar van Dillen oscarvandil...@gmail.com: on my website I found that Lilypond as MediaWiki extension does not print music notation, just code, to the pdf in Extension:Collection http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection Lilypond does work fine when using printable version such as can be seen here http://www.oscarvandillen.com/Triad?printable=yes should I rather tell the collection programmers at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection/Wishlist Yes, please. If that extension shows only the LilyPond source code of snippets but the normal page view and the printable view show these snippets processed and converted to PNG, it surely means that LilyPond is not called to process these snippets from Extension:Collection. By the way, for a decent printing quality, the PDF generation should not be left to the user browser but should be done on the server side (using PDF snippets generated by LilyPond), like what openstreetmap.org does. This regards standard printable view as well as the extension Collection. Best, John thank you very much! with the help of your analysis, i now filed a bug to this collection, hoping it will be fixed in the near future. it is here http://code.pediapress.com/wiki/ticket/775 very best, oscar -- oscarvandil...@gmail.com www.oscarvandillen.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond as MediaWiki extension does not print in Extension:Collection
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Oscar van Dillen oscarvandil...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:26 PM, John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/27 Oscar van Dillen oscarvandil...@gmail.com: on my website I found that Lilypond as MediaWiki extension does not print music notation, just code, to the pdf in Extension:Collection http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection Lilypond does work fine when using printable version such as can be seen here http://www.oscarvandillen.com/Triad?printable=yes should I rather tell the collection programmers at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection/Wishlist Yes, please. If that extension shows only the LilyPond source code of snippets but the normal page view and the printable view show these snippets processed and converted to PNG, it surely means that LilyPond is not called to process these snippets from Extension:Collection. By the way, for a decent printing quality, the PDF generation should not be left to the user browser but should be done on the server side (using PDF snippets generated by LilyPond), like what openstreetmap.org does. This regards standard printable view as well as the extension Collection. Best, John thank you very much! with the help of your analysis, i now filed a bug to this collection, hoping it will be fixed in the near future. it is here http://code.pediapress.com/wiki/ticket/775 very best, oscar -- oscarvandil...@gmail.com www.oscarvandillen.com hmm, as it turns out, pediapress refuses to fix this, the reasons given are: You can install and use this extension in your wiki, but it is currently not available in Wikipedia. Many people would love to use this extension in Wikipedia and other large-footprint wikis that they have no control over. However, in its current form, this is unfortunately impossible due to security concerns. This extension is using Lilypond's safe mode, which according to the documentation does not detect resource overuse. It is still possible to make the program hang indefinitely, for example by feeding cyclic data structures into the backend. Therefore, if using LilyPond on a publicly accessible webserver, the process should be limited in both CPU and memory usage. This extension is therefore not used in Wikipedia because it is considered a hazardous denial-of-service vector. is this correct, that lilypond has this security issue as stated; and is it possible to make the program hang indefinitely? thanks in advance and all the best, oscar -- oscarvandil...@gmail.com www.oscarvandillen.com ** The information contained in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or reproduction is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of viruses, no responsibility can be accepted for any loss or damage arising in any way from receipt or use thereof. ** ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond as MediaWiki extension does not print in Extension:Collection
2010/1/28 John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com Le jeudi 28 janvier 2010 à 15:48 +0100, Oscar van Dillen a écrit : You can install and use this extension in your wiki, but it is currently not available in Wikipedia. Many people would love to use this extension in Wikipedia and other large-footprint wikis that they have no control over. However, in its current form, this is unfortunately impossible due to security concerns. This is not a reason not to support LilyPond processing as a option that is switchable by a configuration file accessible only to the website administrator, which would be disabled by default. is this correct, that lilypond has this security issue as stated; and is it possible to make the program hang indefinitely? Adding to Kieren's example, think that LilyPond user interface is a programming language, so it is hard to avoid these problems, that's the workaround that consists of limiting CPU and memory usage is recommended. Even with normal use of such an extension, you need much CPU power and free memory, which is surely not available on many servers running MediaWiki. Best, John thank you kieren and john, things have become much more clear to me after this thread so far. i will ponder on how to perhaps make it run a bit more safely on my website, and keep on using it, as lilypond is relatively userfriendly, very powerful, and essential there :-) fyi to the pediapress people i wrote, to conclude ticket #775 i mentioned earlier: still, in my humble opinion, not including lilypond in the pdf rendering extension:collection is a missed chance for pediapress as well, since to me it seems to concern its field of business, and a possible venture into a whole new field: open source music printing. but i will not push the issue further at this point (and leave this ticket closed). i think however pediapress is missing out on an opportunity, but this is also a matter of choices of priority, and we may vary in this of course. i personally believe it would be more than worth the efforts to tackle this all the best, oscar -- oscarvandil...@gmail.com www.oscarvandillen.com ** The information contained in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or reproduction is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of viruses, no responsibility can be accepted for any loss or damage arising in any way from receipt or use thereof. ** ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Lilypond as MediaWiki extension does not print in Extension:Collection
dear all, on my website I found that Lilypond as MediaWiki extension does not print music notation, just code, to the pdf in Extension:Collection http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection Lilypond does work fine when using printable version such as can be seen here http://www.oscarvandillen.com/Triad?printable=yes *is it my configuration? see http://www.oscarvandillen.com/Special:Version(Lilypond is invisible there but installed) *is this a know issue? (i didn't find it anywhere yet) should I rather tell the collection programmers at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection/Wishlist or is it something that must be solved by the Lilypond programmers? very best, oscar -- oscarvandil...@gmail.com www.oscarvandillen.com ** The information contained in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or reproduction is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of viruses, no responsibility can be accepted for any loss or damage arising in any way from receipt or use thereof. ** ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
