Re: Violin tab for fiddle tunes
THanks David for your reply, you're right, it was difficult to find in the manual...just figured it was the 'open source' thing, Having templates is a great resource, Randy On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:39 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: R.D. Latimer rdlati...@gmail.com writes: I've put together a sample fiddle tune with music notation, sample fiddle tab (using finger number), guitar tab (using fret number), and guitar capo 2 tab (using fret number based on capo). Let me know if anyone would like me to post. I really have to get into the habit of answering mails sooner... The main question that's important to answer here is: what should the manual have looked like to make you see right away how to do this? We have a few templates in the manual, but it's likely not obvious to people how to solve this particular or a similar task without further help. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Supporting my work on LilyPond financially
I'm a retired school teacher, I know some C++, I'd be happy to help out with dev if I can, though I may not know enough, but would be willing to try. I know some c++ and lisp/scheme and music theory. I have a Windows 7 laptop, Netbeans for C++ dev. Let me know if there may be ways to help out with the development end. - thanks On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:29 AM, immanuel litzroth ilitzr...@gmail.comwrote: 2) The contention was that this stuff would be easier in Sibelius. Not that you can get it right there too. Sibelius doesn't get things automatically right as well as Lilypond does, but it's usually much, much easier to correct or customize them when it doesn't give you what you want, which in turn means that it's easier to get what you want in general. But the lack of automation does make you vulnerable to idiots who don't do proper quality control or who have no clue about what is wanted. I don't know if you use or have used Sibelius, but if you're judging it solely on the grounds of the bad parts you get from bad suppliers, you're not really assessing the software at all. The real measure of engraving software shouldn't be, How readily does it stop an idiot from getting it wrong? but, How readily does it let a user achieve the notation they want to achieve? For the record, I'm not speaking out in favour of Sibelius in any general sense here. I just think that one should try and understand why it is that software like this has the user-base and staying power that it does. I've tried Sibelius and Finale (way back...) and I far prefer Lilypond to both. But I'm a C++ programmer that uses emacs 10h/day, I might be a little eccentric :-) Immanuel ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Violin tab for fiddle tunes
I've put together a sample fiddle tune with music notation, sample fiddle
tab (using finger number), guitar tab (using fret number), and guitar capo
2 tab (using fret number based on capo).
Let me know if anyone would like me to post.
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 8:39 AM, R.D. Latimer rdlati...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like help getting started with transcribing fiddle tunes with music
and tab.
Here's my initial try (first two measures)
The fingering for the violin is not correct in the tab. Fingering should
be:
2 0 0 2 0 0 | 3 1 1 3 0 1 |
I'll attach a jpeg image. Thanks for any help.
Here's my source code so far:
\version 2.16.2
\header {
title = Old John's Jig
composer = trad
}
\new StaffGroup
\new Staff \relative c'' {
\clef treble
\key g \major
\time 6/8
c8 a a c a a g e e g a b
}
\new TabStaff \with {
stringTunings = #violin-tuning
}
{
\relative c'' {
c8 a a c a a g e e g a b
}
}
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Violin tab for fiddle tunes
I'd like help getting started with transcribing fiddle tunes with music and
tab.
Here's my initial try (first two measures)
The fingering for the violin is not correct in the tab. Fingering should be:
2 0 0 2 0 0 | 3 1 1 3 0 1 |
I'll attach a jpeg image. Thanks for any help.
Here's my source code so far:
\version 2.16.2
\header {
title = Old John's Jig
composer = trad
}
\new StaffGroup
\new Staff \relative c'' {
\clef treble
\key g \major
\time 6/8
c8 a a c a a g e e g a b
}
\new TabStaff \with {
stringTunings = #violin-tuning
}
{
\relative c'' {
c8 a a c a a g e e g a b
}
}
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Re: Violin tab for fiddle tunes
Thanks, yes that makes sense from a fret number point of view. Unfortunately from a violinist/fiddler point of view, the semitone notation does no good. For example, on a violin, in the simplest 1st position: (2nd string) A string: A open, Bb/B 1st finger, C/C# 2nd finger, D 3rd finger, E 4th finger or open E string (3rd string) D string: D open, Eb/E 1st finger, F/F# 2nd finger, G/G# 3rd finger, A 4th or open A So in first position on violin, frets 1/2 are 1st finger, frets 3/4 are 2nd finger, frets 5/6 are 3rd finger. I don't think fiddle players would want to bother trying to make this translation in their head while playing. It would be great for fiddle players and fiddle tunes, to have a tab for fingering. I don't think the semitone notation will do any good for violin playing in tab. Let me know if there is a way in Lilypond for tab fingering in this case. Otherwise I'm not sure it's worth having the tab for violin/fiddle, Thanks On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:18 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: R.D. Latimer rdlati...@gmail.com writes: I'd like help getting started with transcribing fiddle tunes with music and tab. Here's my initial try (first two measures) The fingering for the violin is not correct in the tab. Fingering should be: 2 0 0 2 0 0 | 3 1 1 3 0 1 | That's a misunderstanding what a tab shows. The tab does not show fingerings but rather positions. And it counts those positions in frets, namely semitones. As far as I can see, the results are quite correct. Now I haven't ever used tablature for violin, and I definitely agree that the numbers seem to increase ridiculously fast as a violinist would likely think more in wholetone positions rather than semitone positions: Playing in third position to a violinist means playing a major or minor third above playing in first position when using the same fingering. It may be different for players of violoncello or double bass. Or fretted instruments like a viol. So at any rate, the TAB delivers the _full_ information you need for playing the melody. I'm not sure how it could do so when only using a wholetone numbering system. Most relevantly, the TAB looks like expected by the _programmers_. Do you have any printed examples that would help the programmers to understand how it should look like in order to meet _your_ expectations? -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Violin tab for fiddle tunes
I'm searching for decent examples of violin tab, I don't see many out there on the web. Here's one http://www.jaybuckey.com/pdf/Free%20Tablature/amazing_grace_fiddle_tablature.pdf It'd be great if Lilypond has this feature, Thanks again On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:45 AM, R.D. Latimer rdlati...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, yes that makes sense from a fret number point of view. Unfortunately from a violinist/fiddler point of view, the semitone notation does no good. For example, on a violin, in the simplest 1st position: (2nd string) A string: A open, Bb/B 1st finger, C/C# 2nd finger, D 3rd finger, E 4th finger or open E string (3rd string) D string: D open, Eb/E 1st finger, F/F# 2nd finger, G/G# 3rd finger, A 4th or open A So in first position on violin, frets 1/2 are 1st finger, frets 3/4 are 2nd finger, frets 5/6 are 3rd finger. I don't think fiddle players would want to bother trying to make this translation in their head while playing. It would be great for fiddle players and fiddle tunes, to have a tab for fingering. I don't think the semitone notation will do any good for violin playing in tab. Let me know if there is a way in Lilypond for tab fingering in this case. Otherwise I'm not sure it's worth having the tab for violin/fiddle, Thanks On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:18 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: R.D. Latimer rdlati...@gmail.com writes: I'd like help getting started with transcribing fiddle tunes with music and tab. Here's my initial try (first two measures) The fingering for the violin is not correct in the tab. Fingering should be: 2 0 0 2 0 0 | 3 1 1 3 0 1 | That's a misunderstanding what a tab shows. The tab does not show fingerings but rather positions. And it counts those positions in frets, namely semitones. As far as I can see, the results are quite correct. Now I haven't ever used tablature for violin, and I definitely agree that the numbers seem to increase ridiculously fast as a violinist would likely think more in wholetone positions rather than semitone positions: Playing in third position to a violinist means playing a major or minor third above playing in first position when using the same fingering. It may be different for players of violoncello or double bass. Or fretted instruments like a viol. So at any rate, the TAB delivers the _full_ information you need for playing the melody. I'm not sure how it could do so when only using a wholetone numbering system. Most relevantly, the TAB looks like expected by the _programmers_. Do you have any printed examples that would help the programmers to understand how it should look like in order to meet _your_ expectations? -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Violin tab for fiddle tunes
HI David, Yes I agree with all you're saying. My motivation right now is I'm teaching some Fiddle classes to beginner types of students. I can read music fine. In this folk tradition many/most of the players play by ear, not by reading sheet music. I was thinking that a violin tab in 1st position would be good for beginners learning by ear. I can always print sheet music with the fingering above all the notes. A tab notation for fiddle tunes looks nice and simple. But maybe it's not worth the effort? Anyway, Lilypond may want to point that out in any sections you have on Lilypond tab. Even though there's a violin option, the way it's being done is not of much use to players...I don't think, Thanks again, I guess the fiddle tab is a decent idea, but not there, Randy On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:41 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: R.D. Latimer rdlati...@gmail.com writes: I'm searching for decent examples of violin tab, I don't see many out there on the web. Here's one http://www.jaybuckey.com/pdf/Free%20Tablature/amazing_grace_fiddle_tablature.pdf It'd be great if Lilypond has this feature, Thanks again The problem here is that this is indeed not really as much a tablature as a fingering chart. The information is incomplete. To get more concrete: let's assume that we are talking about a fiddling piece like the following unfinished fragment I found lying on my hard drive. The fingering instructions are not necessarily wholly complete or accurate since I actually don't have a violin in my house and did not have one at the time I wrote this down. But you should be able to figure it out nonetheless. In the first measure, there is a already a certain position/fingering divergence because of physical necessities. Still, this is a rather straightforward shuffle. So how would you want to have the first measure look in tablature? A scan or photograph of a sketch is fine. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
