Re: Usability Question
Dear Brett,
thanks a lot for your input which was indeed very helpful!
I do see now how this notation issue could work. I am just afraid that this
is far too much of an overhead work to do this for each one of the six
sonatas and partitas by Bach.
Thanks a lot, all the folks out there, for your help and contributions.
Please take my sincere apologies if you have felt I was impolite or too lazy
to search. This was not my intent.
All the best,
Upro
Brett Duncan-2 wrote:
Hi Upro,
based on what others have contributed here, especially about voiceFive,
here's my attempt to reproduce what appeared in the JPEG. It's pretty
close - there is the small matter of the slant on the second set of
beamed notes, which Carl already noted. The last slur also seems to end
in a rather high position. I'm pretty sure both of these things can be
adjusted, but others can probably come up with the right answers for
those faster than I can (assuming you want to change them).
I for one am glad you asked your questions - I've learned some useful
things from the ensuing discussion!
Brett
%---
\version 2.10.12
#(set-global-staff-size 17)
\header {
title = \markup \center-align \italic { Sonata 1ma a Violino Solo
senza Basso di J. S. Bach}
}
\include deutsch.ly
voiceFive = { \voiceOne \shiftOnn }
melody = \new Staff {
\time 4/4
\key d \minor
\clef treble
\relative c' {
\voiceOne
\new Voice=3 { \voiceThree b'4}
\new Voice=5 { \voiceFive \stemUp d,}
\new Voice=4 { \voiceFour g,}
{ \tieUp g''4 ~ }
\oneVoice g32[ f( es d c b a b64 g)]
\voiceThree
\new Voice=1 { \voiceOne c4}
\new Voice=2 { \voiceFour a,4}
{ g'8 \tieDown fis8 ~}
\oneVoice fis32[ e!( d e fis g a c64 b)]
\voiceThree
\new Voice=1 { \voiceOne fis'4}
\new Voice=2 { \voiceTwo d,8 s }
{ \tieDown c'8[ ~ c32( d64 c b32 c] }
\oneVoice \once \override Script #'avoid-slur = #'inside
c16.[\trill b64 c d16 a])
}
}
\score {
\melody
\layout {
}
}
\paper {
#(set-paper-size a4)
}
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Usability Question
Hello!
I have been using Lilypond some years ago, without needs for too good
formattzig, but now I decided to try to make an edition for a major
publisher with lilypond.
However, I have found that there are several issues that I find too time
consuming and complicated to rate lilypond as professionally usable.
But being an optimist I decided to post some general questions to see what
others think and know.
My example score is some bars for violin by Bach. Let's go!
1. The score has four voises. All have their own stems. I find it extremely
complicated to arrange stems/notes in the same order (right to left), and
stems in the correct direction.
All solutions I have found in the forum are either rather laborious, or
involve programming. I do not have the intention nor the tie to learn scheme
or improve/recover my knowledge of Python to follow this path.
2. I have not found an easy way to change the placement of ties (over or
below the notes)
3. I have also not found a neatly usable command to try to make a score into
one page, or to force a system/line brake.
4. I have not found a way to make a tie from within a polyphonic passage
into a neiboring honophone section. I used a workaraond by keeping the
adjacent passage within the polyphonic sectin, but I would like to find a
way to avoid that.
I include the cntents of my ilypond file, and a jpg of what I would liem to
see.
I would really appreciate concise and useful help. This is for maybe the
most reknowned publisher and could also be a landmark for lilypond - if I
can achioeve my goal with lilypond (and not Sibelius...).
Here are my comments on the file/score:
a) First chord: I would liem to have the same stem direction/order in my
file as in the image (up-up-up-down from top to bottom)
b) Why do the stems in bar 1, second quarter, point upwards AND the tie is
on top?
c) Bar 1, 4th quarter: Again: Why is the tie on top and not on bottom?
d) 2nd bar, first quarter: As in a) I would like to change the order of the
notes.
e) 2nd bar, first quarter: Two tied eight notes c: Why is the tie not closer
to the noteheads?
f) 2nd bar, second tie: Again, it should be on top.
If I have to continue like this for the rest of this opus magnum I' kill
myself ;-)
TIA, upro
#(set-global-staff-size 17)
% \version 2.10.7
\includedeutsch.ly
\paper {
#(set-paper-size a4)
}
\header {
title = \markup \center-align \italic { Sonata 1ma a Violino Solo
senza
Basso di J. S. Bach}
}
melody = \relative c' {
\clef treble
\key g \minor
\time 4/4
{ g''4 ~ g32[ f( es d c b a b64 )g] }\\{ b4}\\{d,}\\{
g,}\\
{ c'4} \\ \\ { g8[ fis~] fis32[ e( d e fis g a c64 )b]} \\
{ a,4 }
|
{fis''4} \\ {c8[( c32) d64( c b32 c] c16.\trill b64 c d16
)a} \\ {d,8}
}
\score {
\new Staff \melody
\layout { }
}
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Re: Usability Question
Graham Percival-2 wrote: Upro wrote: 1. The score has four voises. All have their own stems. I find it extremely complicated to arrange stems/notes in the same order (right to left), and stems in the correct direction. I personally would condense this down to one or possibly two voices. Somebody else might have other suggestions. 2. I have not found an easy way to change the placement of ties (over or below the notes) You can set the #'direction of ties in the latest unstable version; I'm not certain if this new feature exists in stable yet. 3. I have also not found a neatly usable command to try to make a score into one page, or to force a system/line brake. Err, \break ? You can try to make the whole score fit onto a single page by changing the font size. 4. I have not found a way to make a tie from within a polyphonic passage into a neiboring honophone section. I used a workaraond by keeping the adjacent passage within the polyphonic sectin, but I would like to find a way to avoid that. You could fake this with invisible notes. I would really appreciate concise and useful help. This is for maybe the most reknowned publisher and could also be a landmark for lilypond - if I can achioeve my goal with lilypond (and not Sibelius...). I'm glad that you're using lilypond, but I recommend that you read the user manual a bit more carefully -- finding out how to force a linebreak is not hard! There are many other commands and tips in the manual that will help you. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user I admit that not finding the function for a simple line brake was not very smart of me. I have studied the online-manual thouroughly, but it's not easy to find solutions there, and I haven't found them for the descripbed problems. Suggestions like condensing a four voiced, polyphonic piece by Bach for an Urtext edition for one of the major publishers seems to me a strange reaction to my query. Also, fake a solution with invisibile notes is not a solution you would like to use in an edition of a 65-page manuscript. Between the line, an answer like that reads like I also don't know it. I'm trying to use lilypond for an important publication, so I'd be glad to get some real help here! Thanks, Upro -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Usability-Question-tf3017097.html#a8400127 Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
