Re: 3x repeats
I'm surprised you can't do it with a spanner. Why don't we have something
like:
\override TextSpanner #'(center-text text) = \markup { \small Play three
times }
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 4:12 PM, David Nalesnik wrote:
>
> Hi Janek,
>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Janek Warchoł
> wrote:
>
>> 2013/12/23 Xavier Noria :
>> > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Phil Holmes
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The only guidance in Gould is where she writes "Repeat 3 times" in a
>> >> horizontal bracket.
>> >
>> >
>> > How do you produce that? I have looked at the documentation but didn't
>> > figure it out.
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/specific-solutions/bracket-repeats
>
>
> This was a quick hack. It needs to be worked on so it can span multiple
> bars (and as it stands, the symbol doesn't "mean" anything--it's just a
> bracket with text).
>
> --David
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Re: 3x repeats
Hi Janek, On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > 2013/12/23 Xavier Noria : > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Phil Holmes > wrote: > > > >> The only guidance in Gould is where she writes "Repeat 3 times" in a > >> horizontal bracket. > > > > > > How do you produce that? I have looked at the documentation but didn't > > figure it out. > > > https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/specific-solutions/bracket-repeats This was a quick hack. It needs to be worked on so it can span multiple bars (and as it stands, the symbol doesn't "mean" anything--it's just a bracket with text). --David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
2013/12/23 Xavier Noria : > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: > >> The only guidance in Gould is where she writes "Repeat 3 times" in a >> horizontal bracket. > > > How do you produce that? I have looked at the documentation but didn't > figure it out. https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/specific-solutions/bracket-repeats ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
"Mark Stephen Mrotek" writes: > Mr. Kastrup, > > Please help me with my understanding of this issue. > Why is > http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/short-repeats > not an acceptable solution? Those are for few measures at most. I assumed that if the discussed examples were short here, that was just to save space and not because their shortness was representative for the problem. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
Slash repeats are never used with certain instruments and only rarely seen outside handwritten scores. Even Ravel's Bolero doesn't use them in the score, where the snare drum plays the same pair of bars for 65 pages (though it does obviously use them in the part). On Dec 23, 2013, at 8:26 PM, Vaughan McAlley wrote: > On 24 December 2013 11:39, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: > Mr. Kastrup, > > Please help me with my understanding of this issue. > Why is > http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/short-repeats > not an acceptable solution? > > Mark > > > I’ve seen pieces where a bar or two might be played 5 times, then the next > bar played 11 times etc. It would save a lot of space. > > Vaughan > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
On 24 December 2013 11:39, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: > Mr. Kastrup, > > Please help me with my understanding of this issue. > Why is > http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/short-repeats > not an acceptable solution? > > Mark > > I’ve seen pieces where a bar or two might be played 5 times, then the next bar played 11 times etc. It would save a lot of space. Vaughan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: 3x repeats
Mr. Kastrup, Please help me with my understanding of this issue. Why is http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/short-repeats not an acceptable solution? Mark -Original Message- From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of David Kastrup Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:07 PM To: Urs Liska Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: 3x repeats Urs Liska writes: > Am 23.12.2013 19:06, schrieb Xavier Noria: >> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Urs Liska wrote: >> >> Am 22.12.2013 05:54, schrieb Alex Loomis: >>> >>> In many contexts it's preferable to write it out instead of using >>> percent >>>> repeats. If it's a long passage then it's frequently written pretty >>>> much like you had it except with the x3 at the repeat sign. >>>> >>>> >>> I'd second this. >>> But from numerous experiences (from the performer's POV) I can tell >>> you that you somehow have to make clear if you want the passage to >>> be _played_ or _repeated_ three times. This is usually unclear and >>> leads to useless discussions in an ensemble unless the composer has >>> explicitly stated his intention (which probably has to be written out in a sentence). >> >> >> Interesting, what is the difference? >> > > That's what I'm talking about: Many people (composers) don't see the > issue. They take one of them for granted and aren't aware of the > existence of an alternative reading. > > If you repeat something _once_ you play it _twice_. > And if you repeat three times you play four times. > > But often "repeate three times" is used in the sense of "play three times". Well, put [3×] over the _starting_ repeat sign, and you should be good. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
Urs Liska writes: > Am 23.12.2013 19:06, schrieb Xavier Noria: >> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Urs Liska wrote: >> >> Am 22.12.2013 05:54, schrieb Alex Loomis: >>> >>> In many contexts it's preferable to write it out instead of using percent repeats. If it's a long passage then it's frequently written pretty much like you had it except with the x3 at the repeat sign. >>> I'd second this. >>> But from numerous experiences (from the performer's POV) I can tell you >>> that you somehow have to make clear if you want the passage to be _played_ >>> or _repeated_ three times. This is usually unclear and leads to useless >>> discussions in an ensemble unless the composer has explicitly stated his >>> intention (which probably has to be written out in a sentence). >> >> >> Interesting, what is the difference? >> > > That's what I'm talking about: Many people (composers) don't see the > issue. They take one of them for granted and aren't aware of the > existence of an alternative reading. > > If you repeat something _once_ you play it _twice_. > And if you repeat three times you play four times. > > But often "repeate three times" is used in the sense of "play three times". Well, put [3×] over the _starting_ repeat sign, and you should be good. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
Am 23.12.2013 19:06, schrieb Xavier Noria: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Urs Liska wrote: Am 22.12.2013 05:54, schrieb Alex Loomis: In many contexts it's preferable to write it out instead of using percent repeats. If it's a long passage then it's frequently written pretty much like you had it except with the x3 at the repeat sign. I'd second this. But from numerous experiences (from the performer's POV) I can tell you that you somehow have to make clear if you want the passage to be _played_ or _repeated_ three times. This is usually unclear and leads to useless discussions in an ensemble unless the composer has explicitly stated his intention (which probably has to be written out in a sentence). Interesting, what is the difference? That's what I'm talking about: Many people (composers) don't see the issue. They take one of them for granted and aren't aware of the existence of an alternative reading. If you repeat something _once_ you play it _twice_. And if you repeat three times you play four times. But often "repeate three times" is used in the sense of "play three times". Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Urs Liska wrote: Am 22.12.2013 05:54, schrieb Alex Loomis: > > In many contexts it's preferable to write it out instead of using percent >> repeats. If it's a long passage then it's frequently written pretty much >> like you had it except with the x3 at the repeat sign. >> >> > I'd second this. > But from numerous experiences (from the performer's POV) I can tell you > that you somehow have to make clear if you want the passage to be _played_ > or _repeated_ three times. This is usually unclear and leads to useless > discussions in an ensemble unless the composer has explicitly stated his > intention (which probably has to be written out in a sentence). Interesting, what is the difference? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
Am 22.12.2013 05:54, schrieb Alex Loomis: In many contexts it's preferable to write it out instead of using percent repeats. If it's a long passage then it's frequently written pretty much like you had it except with the x3 at the repeat sign. I'd second this. But from numerous experiences (from the performer's POV) I can tell you that you somehow have to make clear if you want the passage to be _played_ or _repeated_ three times. This is usually unclear and leads to useless discussions in an ensemble unless the composer has explicitly stated his intention (which probably has to be written out in a sentence). HTH Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 05:54:46PM +0100, Xavier Noria wrote: > > By now I am putting a "3x" mark above the repeat (if I put the mark at the > beginning it is printed above the clef rather than at the beginning of the > bar). That's pretty much what I do, but I create mostly lead sheets. I can send some sample snipped images of common practice in jazz lead sheets, if that would be helpful. Jim <>___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
Looks awesome! ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Xavier Noria wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Phil Holmes wrote:
>
> I've no idea - I'm just quoting what Elaine Gould says...
>>
>
> Ah, OK :)
>
> By now I am putting a "3x" mark above the repeat (if I put the mark at the
> beginning it is printed above the clef rather than at the beginning of the
> bar).
>
dirty hack:
%%
\version "2.17.27"
\relative c'' {
\override TupletBracket.bracket-visibility = ##t
\override TupletBracket.direction = #UP
%% CHANGE THIS TO EXTEND TO BARLINE
\override TupletBracket.shorten-pair = #'(0 . -5.0)
\override TupletNumber.text = \markup "3x"
\repeat volta 3 {
% tuplet 4/4 to get a bracket for "normal" durations
\tuplet 4/4 { c8 b16 a ~ a8 g a4 c | c8 b16 a ~ a8 g a2 }
}
\repeat unfold 2 { c8 b16 a ~ a8 g a2 | }
}
%%
produces the attached output. :) the code is a bit ugly, and seriously
misuses tuplets, but gets the job done. :)
regards,
sb
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Re: 3x repeats
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: I've no idea - I'm just quoting what Elaine Gould says... > Ah, OK :) By now I am putting a "3x" mark above the repeat (if I put the mark at the beginning it is printed above the clef rather than at the beginning of the bar). <>___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
I've no idea - I'm just quoting what Elaine Gould says... -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Xavier Noria To: Phil Holmes Cc: Nathan ; lilypond-user Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 4:32 PM Subject: Re: 3x repeats On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: The only guidance in Gould is where she writes "Repeat 3 times" in a horizontal bracket. How do you produce that? I have looked at the documentation but didn't figure it out. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: The only guidance in Gould is where she writes "Repeat 3 times" in a > horizontal bracket. > How do you produce that? I have looked at the documentation but didn't figure it out. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
The only guidance in Gould is where she writes "Repeat 3 times" in a horizontal bracket. -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Xavier Noria To: Nathan Cc: lilypond-user Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Re: 3x repeats On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Nathan wrote: On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Xavier Noria wrote: > Is this idiomatic notation for repeating those two bars three times? It'd be better with the text at the beginning or end of the passage. My personal favorite, however, is putting the measures in a large horizontal bracket labeled "3x." Do you have example code for that? It is interesting that if the passage had alternative endings the repeats, 3x, 4x, or whatever would be easily represented, but I do not see notation for expressing plain 3x, 4x, repeats with bars. There has to be a convention I believe. -- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Nathan wrote: On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Xavier Noria wrote: > > Is this idiomatic notation for repeating those two bars three times? > > It'd be better with the text at the beginning or end of the passage. > My personal favorite, however, is putting the measures in a large > horizontal bracket labeled "3x." > Do you have example code for that? It is interesting that if the passage had alternative endings the repeats, 3x, 4x, or whatever would be easily represented, but I do not see notation for expressing plain 3x, 4x, repeats with bars. There has to be a convention I believe. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Xavier Noria wrote: > Is this idiomatic notation for repeating those two bars three times? It'd be better with the text at the beginning or end of the passage. My personal favorite, however, is putting the measures in a large horizontal bracket labeled "3x." ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 3x repeats
In many contexts it's preferable to write it out instead of using percent repeats. If it's a long passage then it's frequently written pretty much like you had it except with the x3 at the repeat sign. On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: > Xavier Noria, > > > > Look at > > http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/short-repeats > > > > Mark > > > > *From:* lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org [mailto: > lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] *On Behalf Of *Xavier > Noria > *Sent:* Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:25 PM > *To:* lilypond-user > *Subject:* 3x repeats > > > > Is this idiomatic notation for repeating those two bars three times? > > > > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: 3x repeats
Xavier Noria, Look at http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/short-repeats Mark From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Xavier Noria Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:25 PM To: lilypond-user Subject: 3x repeats Is this idiomatic notation for repeating those two bars three times? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
3x repeats
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