Re: Accidentals tied over a line break
Han-Wen Nienhuys hanwen at lilypond.org writes: Mats Bengtsson wrote: In the source code, I found a comment saying: TODO: insert support for smaller cautionaries, tie-break-reminders. ... which indicates that this is a feature that is not yet implemented. I made some quick attempts to solve the problem by redefining Accidental #'after-line-breaking but didn't manage. the right approach is to add an option to accidental-engraver.cc to ignore tied notes completely. I would be very interested in an option to suppress accidentals when notes are tied over line breaks. Since lilypond's current behavior in this regard is not a bug, is there some place to post a feature request for suppressing accidentals in this case? On a related note, how complex is the process of fixing the tie time signature collision bug? How does one go about sponsoring a fix like this? Thanks, Jonathan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Accidentals tied over a line break
Markus: That's a way to manually suppress accidentals after a line break; thanks. But I need a way to do it automatically. Is the example in Section 9.3.7: Difficult Tweaks of any help? Kieren: That looks like it might be helpful, but I don't understand the syntax well enough to adapt the tweak on that page. ( http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond/Difficult-tweaks.html ) It seems like it might be possible to modify that tweak with Markus's accidental-suppression -- \once \override Staff.Accidental #'transparent = ##t -- but I can't figure out how to do this. Any tips? Thanks, Marcus P.S. Actually, I'm not sure that will be enough. It looks like transparent accidentals still take up space; I'd rather suppress the accidental *and* its allotted space. Surely there should be an easier way, even if it's possible to hack it somehow in the meantime. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Accidentals tied over a line break
In the source code, I found a comment saying: TODO: insert support for smaller cautionaries, tie-break-reminders. ... which indicates that this is a feature that is not yet implemented. I made some quick attempts to solve the problem by redefining Accidental #'after-line-breaking but didn't manage. /Mats Marcus Macauley wrote: Hello, Currently, if a note with an accidental is tied over a line break, the accidental is repeated on the new line. Is there any way to turn off this behavior? I looked in the manual; 9.1.1 Automatic accidentals would seem to be the relevant section, but it doesn't say anything about tied accidentals. There's a regression test called accidental-tie.ly, but it merely explains that an accidental is present if the line is broken at the tie, which happens for the G sharp, without mentioning any way of turning off this behavior. It took me a while to find an instance of a note with accidental tied over a line break in the Henle edition of the Bach Well-Tempered Clavier, but when I eventually found one, the accidental was not repeated after the line break. (Book I, Fugue in B minor, measures 56-57. It happens to be a G-sharp.) So if my own desire to not repeat the accidental isn't enough, there's an example from G. Henle Verlag.* Thanks, Marcus (In fairness, the second instance I found did repeat the accidental: Book I, Fugue in C-sharp minor, measures 40-41, an A-sharp. Anyway, I think the user should be able to choose whether or not accidentals are displayed in these situations. And if they are repeated, the ties should not collide, as the currently do. The aforementioned A-sharp provides a good example of how a tie can avoid an accidental in such a case.) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Accidentals tied over a line break
Mats Bengtsson wrote: In the source code, I found a comment saying: TODO: insert support for smaller cautionaries, tie-break-reminders. ... which indicates that this is a feature that is not yet implemented. I made some quick attempts to solve the problem by redefining Accidental #'after-line-breaking but didn't manage. the right approach is to add an option to accidental-engraver.cc to ignore tied notes completely. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen LilyPond Software Design -- Code for Music Notation http://www.lilypond-design.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Accidentals tied over a line break
Hello, Currently, if a note with an accidental is tied over a line break, the accidental is repeated on the new line. Is there any way to turn off this behavior? I looked in the manual; 9.1.1 Automatic accidentals would seem to be the relevant section, but it doesn't say anything about tied accidentals. There's a regression test called accidental-tie.ly, but it merely explains that an accidental is present if the line is broken at the tie, which happens for the G sharp, without mentioning any way of turning off this behavior. It took me a while to find an instance of a note with accidental tied over a line break in the Henle edition of the Bach Well-Tempered Clavier, but when I eventually found one, the accidental was not repeated after the line break. (Book I, Fugue in B minor, measures 56-57. It happens to be a G-sharp.) So if my own desire to not repeat the accidental isn't enough, there's an example from G. Henle Verlag.* Thanks, Marcus (In fairness, the second instance I found did repeat the accidental: Book I, Fugue in C-sharp minor, measures 40-41, an A-sharp. Anyway, I think the user should be able to choose whether or not accidentals are displayed in these situations. And if they are repeated, the ties should not collide, as the currently do. The aforementioned A-sharp provides a good example of how a tie can avoid an accidental in such a case.) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Accidentals tied over a line break
Hi Marcus,
see this:
%%% Begin ly snippet
\version 2.9.15
noAcc = \once \override Staff.Accidental #'transparent = ##t
\score { {
cis''1 ~ \noAcc \break
cis''1
cis''1 ~ \break
cis''1
}
\layout {
ragged-right = ##t }
}
%%% End ly snippet
This involves a certain amount of typing, though. I wasn't able to cook up a
function for after-line-breaking or before-line-breaking to do this
automatically, nor modifying
tildeSymbol = { #(make-music 'TieEvent) \noAcc }
Maybe someone can give a hint?
Cheers,
Markus
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Re: Accidentals tied over a line break
Hi, Markus (and Marcus): Maybe someone can give a hint? Is the example in Section 9.3.7: Difficult Tweaks of any help? Cheers, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
