Re: Changing the thickness of clusters
2014/1/5 Shane Brandes : > Josh, > > Rummaging around I discovered this. > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/internals/clusterspannerbeacon > > It looks like the y extent is hard coded. Argh!! That description is *wrong*; extents aren't hard-coded. Someone who wrote that description deserves to be punished by having to use Finale v1 instead of LilyPond! How could anyone write something so ridiculously misleading, argh argh! Proper description is Extent (size) in the X direction, measured in staff-space units, relative to object's reference point. hth. Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Changing the thickness of clusters
Shane,
Wow. Thank you! :) What you have provided is certainly MUCH MUCH better
than what I had before...
I will certainly play with this, and report back any substantial finds.
This is very helpful.
IC,
Josh
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Shane Brandes wrote:
> Josh,
>
> Rummaging around I discovered this.
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/internals/clusterspannerbeacon
>
> It looks like the y extent is hard coded.
>
> But also found this
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/internals/cluster_002dinterface
>
> It seems to indicate that the style can be changed and offers several
> varieties.
>
> Therefore after fiddling a bit with the semi inscrutable instructions
> I tried these two things. The padding value -.25 seems as small as it
> wants to go. Maybe other values would work better, just did some
> guesswork on that. It is really easy to make wonderfully large blobs
> of clustery goodness by making arbitrary positive values.
>
> \version "2.18.0"
>
>
> \relative c' \makeClusters { \override ClusterSpanner.padding =
> #'-0.25 b2 d' a f f4 g a b f f a a d4 e f g a b c b f g g g a g }
>
>
> \relative c' \makeClusters { \override ClusterSpanner.style =
> #'leftsided-stairs b2 d' a f f4 g a b f f a a d4 e f g a b c b f g g g
> a g }
>
> Shane
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Joshua Nichols
> wrote:
> >> I am absolutely baffled by this question.
> >
> >
> > Tell me about it.
> >
> >> ...it might be simplest to reduce
> >> the note head sizes. Tried it that does not work either.
> >
> >
> > Same here.
> >
> >> What on earth are clusters good for anyway? Aleatoric strangeness.
> >
> >
> > You are right, and I am definitely not a fan nor in agreement with
> clusters
> > and other types of graphical notation, but I am working for people who do
> > favor them, and I need to be able to do at least some of it (I draw the
> line
> > at hand-drawn graphs like Crumb and Cage, where even the publishers
> wouldn't
> > touch it).
> >
> > But, this kind of notation is really useful for outlining general cues in
> > pre-recorded tracks (hence my email). But, I understand if this has
> "never"
> > been asked before; It would be cool to see where LilyPond takes in that
> > direction. We definitely have competition; Finale 2014 can apparently
> "do it
> > all" and can compose stuff like George Crumb stuff.
> >
> > Has anyone thought about this? About advanced Contemporary Music? What
> about
> > our (somewhat) competitive brother "Belle, Bonne, Sage"?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Shane Brandes
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > IC,
> >
> > Josh
>
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Re: Changing the thickness of clusters
Josh,
Rummaging around I discovered this.
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/internals/clusterspannerbeacon
It looks like the y extent is hard coded.
But also found this
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/internals/cluster_002dinterface
It seems to indicate that the style can be changed and offers several varieties.
Therefore after fiddling a bit with the semi inscrutable instructions
I tried these two things. The padding value -.25 seems as small as it
wants to go. Maybe other values would work better, just did some
guesswork on that. It is really easy to make wonderfully large blobs
of clustery goodness by making arbitrary positive values.
\version "2.18.0"
\relative c' \makeClusters { \override ClusterSpanner.padding =
#'-0.25 b2 d' a f f4 g a b f f a a d4 e f g a b c b f g g g a g }
\relative c' \makeClusters { \override ClusterSpanner.style =
#'leftsided-stairs b2 d' a f f4 g a b f f a a d4 e f g a b c b f g g g
a g }
Shane
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Joshua Nichols wrote:
>> I am absolutely baffled by this question.
>
>
> Tell me about it.
>
>> ...it might be simplest to reduce
>> the note head sizes. Tried it that does not work either.
>
>
> Same here.
>
>> What on earth are clusters good for anyway? Aleatoric strangeness.
>
>
> You are right, and I am definitely not a fan nor in agreement with clusters
> and other types of graphical notation, but I am working for people who do
> favor them, and I need to be able to do at least some of it (I draw the line
> at hand-drawn graphs like Crumb and Cage, where even the publishers wouldn't
> touch it).
>
> But, this kind of notation is really useful for outlining general cues in
> pre-recorded tracks (hence my email). But, I understand if this has "never"
> been asked before; It would be cool to see where LilyPond takes in that
> direction. We definitely have competition; Finale 2014 can apparently "do it
> all" and can compose stuff like George Crumb stuff.
>
> Has anyone thought about this? About advanced Contemporary Music? What about
> our (somewhat) competitive brother "Belle, Bonne, Sage"?
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Shane Brandes wrote:
>
>
>
> IC,
>
> Josh
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Re: Changing the thickness of clusters
> > I am absolutely baffled by this question. Tell me about it. ...it might be simplest to reduce > the note head sizes. Tried it that does not work either. Same here. What on earth are clusters good for anyway? Aleatoric strangeness. You are right, and I am definitely not a fan nor in agreement with clusters and other types of graphical notation, but I am working for people who do favor them, and I need to be able to do at least some of it (I draw the line at hand-drawn graphs like Crumb and Cage, where even the publishers wouldn't touch it). But, this kind of notation is really useful for outlining general cues in pre-recorded tracks (hence my email). But, I understand if this has "never" been asked before; It would be cool to see where LilyPond takes in that direction. We definitely have competition; Finale 2014 can apparently "do it all" and can compose stuff like George Crumb stuff. Has anyone thought about this? About advanced Contemporary Music? What about our (somewhat) competitive brother "Belle, Bonne, Sage"? On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Shane Brandes wrote: IC, Josh ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Changing the thickness of clusters
I am absolutely baffled by this question. And after writing an extensive reply it occurred to me that it might be simplest to reduce the note head sizes. Tried it that does not work either. But it does work to reduce the interval width down to a single note. That is as simple as it gets with out some other trickery. Anyway best of luck. What on earth are clusters good for anyway? Aleatoric strangeness. Shane On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Joshua Nichols wrote: > I am currently typesetting a piece that has a pre-recorded track, and I'm > cuing things via the track. > > I decided to use \makeCluster to form a continuous line... > > Is there a way to make the line thinner? I tried using \teeny in both the > \score block and my pre-existing variables (one named cluster and the other > clusters), but alas... no change. > > Thanks! > > Sincerely, > > Josh > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Changing the thickness of clusters
I am currently typesetting a piece that has a pre-recorded track, and I'm cuing things via the track. I decided to use \makeCluster to form a continuous line... Is there a way to make the line thinner? I tried using \teeny in both the \score block and my pre-existing variables (one named cluster and the other clusters), but alas... no change. Thanks! Sincerely, Josh ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
