Re: Contexts (Was Re: Set vs. Override - I'm confused)
On Thursday 04 May 2006 06:21, Arjan Bos wrote: Erik, That's a great document! I've read about half of it now and it does a very good job to explain to me how LilyPond works. And seeing the date on the title page, I think I have to congratulate you on your Masters Degree! Well Done! Thanks! Off topic, but are your music streams implemented in the current 2.9 branch? Working on it. From a structural point of view, it looks like a cleaner way of doing things. You might even add the syllables of lyrics to the music stream and do away with the current implementation. The implementation of lyricsto is one of the things that msuic streams happen to clean up; however, large parts of the current implementation are kept unchanged. -- Erik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Contexts (Was Re: Set vs. Override - I'm confused)
Erik, That's a great document! I've read about half of it now and it does a very good job to explain to me how LilyPond works. And seeing the date on the title page, I think I have to congratulate you on your Masters Degree! Well Done! Off topic, but are your music streams implemented in the current 2.9 branch? From a structural point of view, it looks like a cleaner way of doing things. You might even add the syllables of lyrics to the music stream and do away with the current implementation. (Obviously, I've never looked hard at the lily source code, but as a data modeller, I like to see nice structured designs) Congrats, Arjan On 27 apr 2006, at 13:58, Erik Sandberg wrote: Citerar Tomas Valusek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, When I first read the manual I didn't see any clear explanation of the difference, the docs could be more clear on that point. But when I realized that one was for grobs and the other for context, it became much clearer, for me it helps separating and understanding grobs and contexts. Context - another topic of my interest. It seems to me I haven't understood them fully yet. I generally know what they are for, but the role of them is not fully clear to me. You can read my master thesis if you like, it tries to explain the context concept (the appendix music streams for the impatient might be a good choice if you're in a hurry) http://home.student.uu.se/ersa9195/report.pdf BTW: Graham, feel free to incorporate anything you like from the report into the manual. Erik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user --- The shortest unit of time in the universe is the New York Second, defined as the period of time between the traffic lights turning green and the cab behind you honking. -- (Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Contexts (Was Re: Set vs. Override - I'm confused)
Hi, I too find the context/grob property distinction not clear and I did not find the online doc any help in getting through this barrier of understanding. It is the one most powerful aspect of Lilypond, but the one aspect which is treated the most meanly in the introductory docs. Even user doing basic stuff need to get into settings and stuff when changing default behaviour so I think it should be touched on earlier in the documentation. If the tutorial could be beefed up somewhat in this area, I think there would be far fewer questions regarding how to find tweaks and settings through the advanced doc, given that users would be armed with this important information beforehand. Wish I had the time to do it myself but sadly I do not :( Good luck to whoever gets the job ;) Regards, Ralph TRIBAL TECHNOLOGY IS A MEMBER OF THE TRIBAL GROUP plc www.tribalgroup.co.uk This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Access, copying, dissemination or re-use of information in it by anyone else is unauthorised. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender as soon as possible. This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Contexts (Was Re: Set vs. Override - I'm confused)
For some time, I have been thinking about adding an introductory text to the Changing Defaults chapter, which introduces all the main methods to set context and grob properties with one example for each and links to the more detailed sections. This would be something along the lines of http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2003-10/msg00195.html (which of course is outdated now). My idea was that this should be placed as an introductory section of the Changing Defaults chapter and I think that there is place for some similar introductions also in other parts of the reference manual. For example, we could have a short introduction summarizing text scripts, text marks and markup. Now there is one section on each and it's really hard to get the whole picture. Of course, an alternative is to add these introductory texts in the tutorial, but then many people who think that they have passed the tutorial stage will never find it. The target group here is not the beginner but the somewhat experienced user (as most of us are). /Mats Ralph Little wrote: Hi, I too find the context/grob property distinction not clear and I did not find the online doc any help in getting through this barrier of understanding. It is the one most powerful aspect of Lilypond, but the one aspect which is treated the most meanly in the introductory docs. Even user doing basic stuff need to get into settings and stuff when changing default behaviour so I think it should be touched on earlier in the documentation. If the tutorial could be beefed up somewhat in this area, I think there would be far fewer questions regarding how to find tweaks and settings through the advanced doc, given that users would be armed with this important information beforehand. Wish I had the time to do it myself but sadly I do not :( Good luck to whoever gets the job ;) Regards, Ralph TRIBAL TECHNOLOGY IS A MEMBER OF THE TRIBAL GROUP plc www.tribalgroup.co.uk This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Access, copying, dissemination or re-use of information in it by anyone else is unauthorised. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender as soon as possible. This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Contexts (Was Re: Set vs. Override - I'm confused)
On 27-Apr-06, at 2:20 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: For some time, I have been thinking about adding an introductory text to the Changing Defaults chapter, which introduces all the main methods to set context and grob properties with one example for each and links to the more detailed sections. Wait until I've finished the doc reorg (probably next week). - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Contexts (Was Re: Set vs. Override - I'm confused)
Citerar Tomas Valusek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, When I first read the manual I didn't see any clear explanation of the difference, the docs could be more clear on that point. But when I realized that one was for grobs and the other for context, it became much clearer, for me it helps separating and understanding grobs and contexts. Context - another topic of my interest. It seems to me I haven't understood them fully yet. I generally know what they are for, but the role of them is not fully clear to me. You can read my master thesis if you like, it tries to explain the context concept (the appendix music streams for the impatient might be a good choice if you're in a hurry) http://home.student.uu.se/ersa9195/report.pdf BTW: Graham, feel free to incorporate anything you like from the report into the manual. Erik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Contexts (Was Re: Set vs. Override - I'm confused)
Hello, When I first read the manual I didn't see any clear explanation of the difference, the docs could be more clear on that point. But when I realized that one was for grobs and the other for context, it became much clearer, for me it helps separating and understanding grobs and contexts. Context - another topic of my interest. It seems to me I haven't understood them fully yet. I generally know what they are for, but the role of them is not fully clear to me. Tomas Valusek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
