Re: Da Capo al Fine

[Manuel]

Joe,

Yes! Now it worked just fine - thanks.

Manuel




Am 27/12/2006 um 21:06 schrieb Joe Neeman:


On 12/27/06, Manuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thank you, it is *much*  better now. But I still get an error message:


Warnung: Eigenschafts-Typpr"ufung f"ur >>outside-staff-padding<<  
(backend-type?) kann nicht gefunden werden.  vielleicht ein  
Tippfehler?

Warnung: Zuweisung wird trotzdem durchgef"uhrt
[8][11]



And the words do appear too close to the staff.

Ah, sorry. outside-staff-padding is a new feature in 2.11. In 2.10,  
change it to padding (and maybe boost the value up to 3 or so).





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Re: Da Capo al Fine

[Joe Neeman]

On 12/27/06, Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Joe Neeman wrote:
>
> Ah, sorry. outside-staff-padding is a new feature in 2.11. In 2.10,
> change it to padding (and maybe boost the value up to 3 or so).
Could that anything to do with why my Scheme definitions containing:
#{ \once \override TextScript #'padding = #$padding #}

seem to have stopped working?



Only if you're trying to use padding to bring TextScripts closer to the
staff as opposed to pushing them farther away. The  changes in vertical
positioning are documented in section 11.7 of the 2.11 manual (Vertical
collision avoidance). If you're seeing a change in behaviour that isn't
documented there, it's most likely a bug.
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Re: Da Capo al Fine

[Paul Scott]

Joe Neeman wrote:

On 12/27/06, *Manuel* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

Thank you, it is *much*  better now. But I still get an error message:


Warnung: Eigenschafts-Typpr"ufung f"ur >>outside-staff-padding<<
(backend-type?) kann nicht gefunden werden.  vielleicht ein
Tippfehler?
Warnung: Zuweisung wird trotzdem durchgef"uhrt
[8][11]



And the words do appear too close to the staff.


Ah, sorry. outside-staff-padding is a new feature in 2.11. In 2.10, 
change it to padding (and maybe boost the value up to 3 or so).

Could that anything to do with why my Scheme definitions containing:
#{ \once \override TextScript #'padding = #$padding #}

seem to have stopped working?

Paul Scott



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Re: Da Capo al Fine

[Joe Neeman]

On 12/27/06, Manuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thank you, it is *much*  better now. But I still get an error message:


Warnung: Eigenschafts-Typpr"ufung f"ur >>outside-staff-padding<<
(backend-type?) kann nicht gefunden werden.  vielleicht ein Tippfehler?
Warnung: Zuweisung wird trotzdem durchgef"uhrt
[8][11]



And the words do appear too close to the staff.



Ah, sorry. outside-staff-padding is a new feature in 2.11. In 2.10, change
it to padding (and maybe boost the value up to 3 or so).
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Re: Da Capo al Fine

[Manuel]

Thank you, it is *much*  better now. But I still get an error message:


Warnung: Eigenschafts-Typpr"ufung f"ur >>outside-staff-padding<<  
(backend-type?) kann nicht gefunden werden.  vielleicht ein Tippfehler?

Warnung: Zuweisung wird trotzdem durchgef"uhrt
[8][11]



And the words do appear too close to the staff.


Manuel



Am 27/12/2006 um 20:09 schrieb Joe Neeman:


On 12/27/06, Manuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Joe, I get these error messages:

44:37: Fehler: GUILE signalisierte einen Fehler f"ur den hier  
beginnenden Ausdruck

\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #
 break-visibility = #begin-of- 
line-invisible
44:38: Fehler: syntax error, unexpected STRING, expecting  
SCM_IDENTIFIER or SCM_TOKEN or '='

\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #b
  reak-visibility = #begin-of- 
line-invisible


Sorry. There is a missing apostrophe: it should be #'break-visibility




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Re: Da Capo al Fine

[Joe Neeman]

On 12/27/06, Manuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Joe, I get these error messages:
44:37: Fehler: GUILE signalisierte einen Fehler f"ur den hier beginnenden
Ausdruck
\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #
 break-visibility =
#begin-of-line-invisible
44:38: Fehler: syntax error, unexpected STRING, expecting SCM_IDENTIFIER
or SCM_TOKEN or '='
\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #b
  reak-visibility =
#begin-of-line-invisible



Sorry. There is a missing apostrophe: it should be #'break-visibility
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Re: Da Capo al Fine

[Manuel]

...as well as:

Unbound variable: break-visibility


at the end.

Manuel




Am 27/12/2006 um 17:48 schrieb Joe Neeman:


On 12/27/06, Manuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Joe, I tried this but it didn't quite work:

You're nearly there -- I've just put in some more overrides to get  
(I hope) what you want:


\version "2.10.0"
\new ChoirStaff
\relative
<<
\new Staff
{
\clef treble
\key g \major
\time 2/4
\override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #RIGHT

In order to have the rehearsal marks below the staff, insert
\override Score.RehearsalMark #'direction = #DOWN
In order to have more space above the rehearsal marks, insert
\override Score.RehearsalMark #'outside-staff-padding = #2

\partial 16*4
g'16 a b c d8 d16 b e8 e16 c d4 c8 c16 a b8 b16 g a8 a16 fis g4

In order to make the "Fine" visible at the end of a system but  
invisible at the start of a system, insert
\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #break-visibility = #begin-of- 
line-invisible


\mark "Fine"

\bar ":|:"
d' c b8 b16 g a8 a16 fis g4 d' c b8 b16 g a8 a16 fis g4

\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'break-visibility = #all-visible
\mark "D.C. al Fine"
\bar "||"
}
\new Staff
\relative
{
\clef bass
\key g \major
g,8 g' b, b' c, c' b, b' a, a' g, g' d, d' g, g'
b, b' a, a' g, g' d, d' g, g' b, b' a, a' g, g' d, d' g, g'
}
>>


As you can see, the word Fine appears "too late", on the beginning  
of the second accolade (is that the word?)


Possibly the word you want is "system"





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Re: Da Capo al Fine

[Manuel]

Joe, I get these error messages:

44:37: Fehler: GUILE signalisierte einen Fehler f"ur den hier  
beginnenden Ausdruck

\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #
 break-visibility = #begin-of- 
line-invisible
44:38: Fehler: syntax error, unexpected STRING, expecting  
SCM_IDENTIFIER or SCM_TOKEN or '='

\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #b
  reak-visibility = #begin-of- 
line-invisible



Manuel


Am 27/12/2006 um 17:48 schrieb Joe Neeman:


On 12/27/06, Manuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Joe, I tried this but it didn't quite work:

You're nearly there -- I've just put in some more overrides to get  
(I hope) what you want:


\version "2.10.0"
\new ChoirStaff
\relative
<<
\new Staff
{
\clef treble
\key g \major
\time 2/4
\override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #RIGHT

In order to have the rehearsal marks below the staff, insert
\override Score.RehearsalMark #'direction = #DOWN
In order to have more space above the rehearsal marks, insert
\override Score.RehearsalMark #'outside-staff-padding = #2

\partial 16*4
g'16 a b c d8 d16 b e8 e16 c d4 c8 c16 a b8 b16 g a8 a16 fis g4

In order to make the "Fine" visible at the end of a system but  
invisible at the start of a system, insert
\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #break-visibility = #begin-of- 
line-invisible


\mark "Fine"

\bar ":|:"
d' c b8 b16 g a8 a16 fis g4 d' c b8 b16 g a8 a16 fis g4

\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'break-visibility = #all-visible
\mark "D.C. al Fine"
\bar "||"
}
\new Staff
\relative
{
\clef bass
\key g \major
g,8 g' b, b' c, c' b, b' a, a' g, g' d, d' g, g'
b, b' a, a' g, g' d, d' g, g' b, b' a, a' g, g' d, d' g, g'
}
>>


As you can see, the word Fine appears "too late", on the beginning  
of the second accolade (is that the word?)


Possibly the word you want is "system"





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Re: Da Capo al Fine

[Joe Neeman]

On 12/27/06, Manuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Joe, I tried this but it didn't quite work:



You're nearly there -- I've just put in some more overrides to get (I hope)
what you want:

\version "2.10.0"

\new ChoirStaff
\relative
<<
\new Staff
{
\clef treble
\key g \major
\time 2/4
\override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #RIGHT



In order to have the rehearsal marks below the staff, insert
\override Score.RehearsalMark #'direction = #DOWN
In order to have more space above the rehearsal marks, insert
\override Score.RehearsalMark #'outside-staff-padding = #2

\partial 16*4

g'16 a b c d8 d16 b e8 e16 c d4 c8 c16 a b8 b16 g a8 a16 fis g4



In order to make the "Fine" visible at the end of a system but invisible at
the start of a system, insert
\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #break-visibility =
#begin-of-line-invisible

\mark "Fine"


\bar ":|:"
d' c b8 b16 g a8 a16 fis g4 d' c b8 b16 g a8 a16 fis g4

\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'break-visibility = #all-visible
\mark "D.C. al Fine"
\bar "||"
}
\new Staff
\relative
{
\clef bass
\key g \major
g,8 g' b, b' c, c' b, b' a, a' g, g' d, d' g, g'
b, b' a, a' g, g' d, d' g, g' b, b' a, a' g, g' d, d' g, g'
}
>>


As you can see, the word Fine appears "too late", on the beginning of the
second accolade (is that the word?)



Possibly the word you want is "system"
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Da Capo al Fine

[Manuel]

Joe, I tried this but it didn't quite work:




\version "2.10.0"
\new ChoirStaff
\relative
<<
\new Staff
{
\clef treble
\key g \major
\time 2/4
\override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #RIGHT
\partial 16*4
g'16 a b c d8 d16 b e8 e16 c d4 c8 c16 a b8 b16 g a8 a16 fis g4

\mark "Fine"

\bar ":|:"
d' c b8 b16 g a8 a16 fis g4 d' c b8 b16 g a8 a16 fis g4

\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'break-visibility = #all-visible
\mark "D.C. al Fine"
\bar "||"
}
\new Staff
\relative
{
\clef bass
\key g \major
g,8 g' b, b' c, c' b, b' a, a' g, g' d, d' g, g'
b, b' a, a' g, g' d, d' g, g' b, b' a, a' g, g' d, d' g, g'
}
>>


As you can see, the word Fine appears "too late", on the beginning of  
the second accolade (is that the word?) above the sharp sign, the  
other words are also too close to the music, and I need the whole to  
be printed below the staff (the lower staff, even) rather than above.


About the Absolute Beginners guide, please see my reply to Graham (a  
little later).



Manuel










Am 27/12/2006 um 09:16 schrieb Joe Neeman:



On 12/26/06, Manuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(Joe, I respect your privacy, of course, but I notice that you sent  
this message to me alone.)


Oops, I just clicked the wrong button.

Are you not one of the core developers of LilyPond?

It seems I am gradually becoming one.

I'm not, at least yet, sold on the wiki thing, probably because I  
don't really know or understand it. Allow me to take some time to  
get acquainted with that kind of thing.


If you like, I can try to get it going by putting up the first part  
of your tutorial. I also have very little experience with wikis but  
I don't believe they are very difficult to use.


I do have lots of small questions, of course. Speaking of wich,  
maybe you can help me here. I want to put "Fine" and "Da Capo al  
Fine" in a piece, and use a single numeral time signature in  
another. If you know how to insert the magic words, I would send  
the little files to you. And please believe that I have read the  
manual. I just didn't get it.


These are really questions for the user list. But since I know the  
answer to the first question, I'll give an example:



\version "2.10.0"

\relative {
  \override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #RIGHT
  c d e f g a b c\mark "Fine" \bar "||"
  c b a g f e d c
  \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'break-visibility = #all- 
visible

  \mark "D.C. al Fine"
  \bar "|."
}


Note that I need to override break-visibility because by default,  
RehearsalMarks are only visible at the beginning of a line or in  
the middle, but not at the end. For the first override, try  
changing it to CENTER or LEFT to see its effect.


Am 26/12/2006 um 20:19 schrieb Joe Neeman:


On 12/26/06, Manuel < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Am 26/12/2006 um 18:41 schrieb Joe Neeman:

> Our documentation guru is also our bug meister

Who is he?

Graham Percival

>  the interference of any of the developers.

But that's part of my point. I write "do this for that purpose", then
somebody else suggests a change, and so forth. But will it really
work always? How do I know? I need and want the developers.

Judging by your work so far, you don't really need the developers  
at every step along the way. It's probably good to have a  
developer look at the tutorial from time to time, but you really  
don't want to involve one for every small change.


If you have a small question, just ask on the user list. The  
developers read the list anyway, so if a user doesn't answer your  
question, a developer can. If you want Graham or some other  
developer to review the entire tutorial, you can ask him. But be  
prepared to wait for a while; I happen to know that he has a  
backlog of bugs he is currently dealing with.


For what it's worth, I think the opinions of new users are more  
important than the opinions of the developers, especially on  
tutorial material. The developers already know how LilyPond works  
so they're unlikely to find any tutorial confusing, even if it  
explains things very badly.


By the way, if you use the wiki, it's much easier for people to  
error-check new material. You can view the history of a page and  
compare any two versions. Thus if you make some series of changes,  
you can ask on the list for people to error-check the changes  
between 1 January 2007 and 13 February 2007 at 2:00 pm. Then they  
can quickly pull up a summary of what has changed between the two  
versions and error-check the changes without reading the whole  
tutorial.







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Re: da capo al fine

[fiëé visuëlle]

Am 2005-08-23 um 13:29 schrieb Mats Bengtsson:

For the MIDI, I hope you know that you can make a separate \score{...}
for the MIDI output, for example something like,


Thank you - sometimes you've to point me to the obvious.
I always use a separate \score for MIDI output, because I need to  
\unfoldRepeats, set instruments, sometimes use accompaigning voices  
etc., so it's no real effort.


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fiëé visuëlle
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Re: da capo al fine

[Mats Bengtsson]

fiëé visuëlle wrote:

Hello again!

I couldn't find in the docs or the ml's archive how to set "Da Capo"  
and "Fine" - I'd like it to work also in MIDI, if I \unfoldRepeats.


The messages from 2003 tell me it wouldn't be possible (or only very  
complicated using some Scheme commands). Any change in this area?


No! One reason is that there are so many different possible combinations
of da capo, dal segno, fine and coda that it's hard to make up a scheme
that fits it all.

For the MIDI, I hope you know that you can make a separate \score{...}
for the MIDI output, for example something like,

% Paper output:
\score{
  {\partA \mark "Fine" \partB \mark "Da Capo al Fine" }
\layout{...}
}

% MIDI output:
\score{
  { \partA \partB \partA }
\midi{...}
}


   /Mats


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da capo al fine

[fiëé visuëlle]

Hello again!

I couldn't find in the docs or the ml's archive how to set "Da Capo"  
and "Fine" - I'd like it to work also in MIDI, if I \unfoldRepeats.


The messages from 2003 tell me it wouldn't be possible (or only very  
complicated using some Scheme commands). Any change in this area?



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Re: Entering 'da Capo al Fine'...

[Mats Bengtsson]

If you want it attached to the final bar line instead of the final
note, use \mark. If you want boldface font and larger size, use
\mark \markup {\large \bold "da Capo al Fine" }
(you probably want
\property Score.RehearsalMark \override #'break-visibility = 
#begin-of-line-invisible
\property Score.RehearsalMark \override #'direction = #down
as well, see 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.0/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Rehearsal-marks.html#Rehearsal%20marks
)

   /Mats

Alberto Manuel Brandao Simoes wrote:
is entered as normal text or is there any special way to do it?
Thanks
ALB
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Entering 'da Capo al Fine'...

[Alberto Manuel Brandao Simoes]

is entered as normal text or is there any special way to do it?
Thanks
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