subject:"Different spacings indifferent staves"

Re: Different spacings indifferent staves

2017-02-22 Thread Les Éditions Valmajour - pg


Hi Andrew

Thanks for your interest! Yes, I'd like to go further in this. The thing 
is that the solo and piano part are not necessarily corresponding in 
terms of rhythm; the solo starts to play alone some random rhythms on 
the written notes, and after a few seconds the piano starts, with the 
arpeggio, but there is no notion of precise tempo or vertical 
correspondence of rhythms between the 2 instruments.


That's why I'd like have the solo notes at an equal distance to each 
other and the piano arpeggio randomly placed on the staves, but of 
course I can't place it "really" randomly, so lily tries to make 
everything look right, when I just need the opposite :-)


If there is another way to write this ijn Lilypond, I'm very interested!

Pierre


Le 22/02/2017 à 11:21, Andrew Bernard a écrit :

Hello Pierre,

Did you want to pursue this? I did not see any good answer on the list 
but I may have missed it. With all due respect and no criticism 
intended whatsoever, there are a lot of things wrong or strange about 
this score. The different staff sizes may be an issue, and I am 
confused about your use of 7/4 and so on. Is this not a simple case of 
two 32's against 16's? Also, the repeat barlines mess up spacing, as 
they have to be accounted for, and the choice of accidental style also 
gets in the way. If this piece is really as simple as two 32 against 
16's, then proportional spacing can be made to work pretty well.


Let me know if this is worth working on and I will help you out. I 
took some time on it tonight but I need your guidance as to the actual 
musical structure. Do let me know - I am happy to help.


As a side note, I use proportional notation in all my complex work, 
but it is never quite right. Somehow lilypond has a hard time doing 
what we intuitively feel should be simple, even, horizontal spacing. I 
do not fully understand the reasons for this, but there must be some 
deep and difficult underlying layout engine problems that can't be 
solved. Nevertheless, you can get pretty close a lot of the time.



Andrew





On 13 February 2017 at 20:57, Les Éditions Valmajour - pg 
> wrote:


Hello co-listers,

does anyone know if there a way to apply different horizontal
spacings to different staves, whithin the same bar?

In the attached example, the stemless notes are 16ths. I would
like the stemless notes to be strictly evenly spaced, regardless
to what is written in the piano part. I have the feeling that it
can be easily set, but I can't figure out how.

Thank you all!

Pierre


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Re: Different spacings indifferent staves

2017-02-22 Thread Alexander Kobel

Hi Pierre,

On 2017-02-22 10:28, Les Éditions Valmajour - pg wrote:
> Hi Alexander!
> 
> The Naudot was engraved with MuseScore, not Lilypond. Only the three
> pieces at the top of the list are done with Lily (the Concertino is
> not ready yet).

ah, I see.  I recognized Lily's treble clef, but didn't think of such a simple 
reason.

> I read some time ago about that problem, because I
> wanted to do the same for the Chédeville (multiple short pieces
> sometimes connected), but I couldn't find out, at least with my
> average knowledge of the Lilypond possibilities.

That's why I was so surprised.  To the best of my knowledge, there is no way to 
achieve that with more-or-less mundane Lilypond invocations alone.  My best bet 
so far is that the staves can be interrupted and resumed, but you'd still have 
to add the SystemStartDelimiters (Bracket, Brace, etc.) manually on the 
output...


Cheers,
Alexander


> Le 22/02/2017 à 00:17, Alexander Kobel a écrit :
>> Hi Pierre,
>> 
>> sorry to hear - I hoped that this might give you the desired
>> result. I'm out of other ideas for that problem, unfortunately.
>> 
>> On a different note:  I just had a quick look at your webpage, and
>> stumbled across the Dixième Œuvre by Naudot.  In the preview, the
>> first page shows something I never managed to typeset with Lily:
>> the "suspended" system with the "D.C. al fine" mark.  Am I correct
>> that this piece is engraved using Lily, too?  Would you mind
>> sharing how you managed to interrupt the system there and, in
>> particular, how you could get a new SystemStartBracket for the rest
>> of the line?
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers, Alexander
>> 
>> 
>> On 2017-02-21 20:25, Les Éditions Valmajour - pg wrote:
>>> Hi Alexander,
>>> 
>>> First of all, my apologies for replying so late, I was away from
>>> home without my computer to test.
>>> 
>>> I tried a few things with the SpacingSpanner, but none works in
>>> the direction I want. I tried your solution, it doesn't work
>>> either. I may have placed the commands in the wrong place, but I
>>> don't think so.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Pierre
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 13/02/2017 à 16:53, Alexander Kobel a écrit :
 Hi Pierre,
 
 On 2017-02-13 10:57, Les Éditions Valmajour - pg wrote:
> Hello co-listers,
> 
> does anyone know if there a way to apply different
> horizontal spacings to different staves, whithin the same
> bar?
> 
> In the attached example, the stemless notes are 16ths. I
> would like the stemless notes to be strictly evenly spaced,
> [...]
 How about using \override
 Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##t (see Notation
 reference, sec. 4.5.5)? You might want to add a
 \newSpacingSection between b-. and c-. (so before the first
 note after \bar "|."), in case you want to acknowledge the
 barline in the spacing.
 
 
 HTH, Alexander
>>> 
> 


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Re: Different spacings indifferent staves

2017-02-22 Thread Les Éditions Valmajour - pg


Hi Alexander!

The Naudot was engraved with MuseScore, not Lilypond. Only the three 
pieces at the top of the list are done with Lily (the Concertino is not 
ready yet). I read some time ago about that problem, because I wanted to 
do the same for the Chédeville (multiple short pieces sometimes 
connected), but I couldn't find out, at least with my average knowledge 
of the Lilypond possibilities.


Cheers,

Pierre


Le 22/02/2017 à 00:17, Alexander Kobel a écrit :

Hi Pierre,

sorry to hear - I hoped that this might give you the desired result. 
I'm out of other ideas for that problem, unfortunately.


On a different note:  I just had a quick look at your webpage, and 
stumbled across the Dixième Œuvre by Naudot.  In the preview, the 
first page shows something I never managed to typeset with Lily: the 
"suspended" system with the "D.C. al fine" mark.  Am I correct that 
this piece is engraved using Lily, too?  Would you mind sharing how 
you managed to interrupt the system there and, in particular, how you 
could get a new SystemStartBracket for the rest of the line?



Cheers,
Alexander


On 2017-02-21 20:25, Les Éditions Valmajour - pg wrote:

Hi Alexander,

First of all, my apologies for replying so late, I was away from home
without my computer to test.

I tried a few things with the SpacingSpanner, but none works in the
direction I want. I tried your solution, it doesn't work either. I may
have placed the commands in the wrong place, but I don't think so.

Thanks!

Pierre


Le 13/02/2017 à 16:53, Alexander Kobel a écrit :

Hi Pierre,

On 2017-02-13 10:57, Les Éditions Valmajour - pg wrote:

Hello co-listers,

does anyone know if there a way to apply different horizontal
spacings to different staves, whithin the same bar?

In the attached example, the stemless notes are 16ths. I would like
the stemless notes to be strictly evenly spaced, [...]

How about using \override Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing =
##t (see Notation reference, sec. 4.5.5)?
You might want to add a \newSpacingSection between b-. and c-. (so
before the first note after \bar "|."), in case you want to
acknowledge the barline in the spacing.


HTH,
Alexander




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Re: Different spacings indifferent staves

2017-02-21 Thread Alexander Kobel


Hi Pierre,

sorry to hear - I hoped that this might give you the desired result. 
I'm out of other ideas for that problem, unfortunately.


On a different note:  I just had a quick look at your webpage, and 
stumbled across the Dixième Œuvre by Naudot.  In the preview, the first 
page shows something I never managed to typeset with Lily: the 
"suspended" system with the "D.C. al fine" mark.  Am I correct that this 
piece is engraved using Lily, too?  Would you mind sharing how you 
managed to interrupt the system there and, in particular, how you could 
get a new SystemStartBracket for the rest of the line?



Cheers,
Alexander


On 2017-02-21 20:25, Les Éditions Valmajour - pg wrote:

Hi Alexander,

First of all, my apologies for replying so late, I was away from home
without my computer to test.

I tried a few things with the SpacingSpanner, but none works in the
direction I want. I tried your solution, it doesn't work either. I may
have placed the commands in the wrong place, but I don't think so.

Thanks!

Pierre


Le 13/02/2017 à 16:53, Alexander Kobel a écrit :

Hi Pierre,

On 2017-02-13 10:57, Les Éditions Valmajour - pg wrote:

Hello co-listers,

does anyone know if there a way to apply different horizontal
spacings to different staves, whithin the same bar?

In the attached example, the stemless notes are 16ths. I would like
the stemless notes to be strictly evenly spaced, [...]

How about using \override Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing =
##t (see Notation reference, sec. 4.5.5)?
You might want to add a \newSpacingSection between b-. and c-. (so
before the first note after \bar "|."), in case you want to
acknowledge the barline in the spacing.


HTH,
Alexander




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Re: Different spacings indifferent staves

2017-02-21 Thread Les Éditions Valmajour - pg


Hi Alexander,

First of all, my apologies for replying so late, I was away from home 
without my computer to test.


I tried a few things with the SpacingSpanner, but none works in the 
direction I want. I tried your solution, it doesn't work either. I may 
have placed the commands in the wrong place, but I don't think so.


Thanks!

Pierre


Le 13/02/2017 à 16:53, Alexander Kobel a écrit :

Hi Pierre,

On 2017-02-13 10:57, Les Éditions Valmajour - pg wrote:

Hello co-listers,

does anyone know if there a way to apply different horizontal spacings to 
different staves, whithin the same bar?

In the attached example, the stemless notes are 16ths. I would like the 
stemless notes to be strictly evenly spaced, [...]

How about using \override Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##t (see 
Notation reference, sec. 4.5.5)?
You might want to add a \newSpacingSection between b-. and c-. (so before the first note 
after \bar "|."), in case you want to acknowledge the barline in the spacing.


HTH,
Alexander


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Re: Different spacings indifferent staves

2017-02-13 Thread Alexander Kobel

Hi Pierre,

On 2017-02-13 10:57, Les Éditions Valmajour - pg wrote:
> Hello co-listers,
> 
> does anyone know if there a way to apply different horizontal spacings to 
> different staves, whithin the same bar?
> 
> In the attached example, the stemless notes are 16ths. I would like the 
> stemless notes to be strictly evenly spaced, [...]

How about using \override Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##t (see 
Notation reference, sec. 4.5.5)?
You might want to add a \newSpacingSection between b-. and c-. (so before the 
first note after \bar "|."), in case you want to acknowledge the barline in the 
spacing.

HTH,
Alexander

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Different spacings indifferent staves

2017-02-13 Thread Les Éditions Valmajour - pg


Hello co-listers,

does anyone know if there a way to apply different horizontal spacings 
to different staves, whithin the same bar?


In the attached example, the stemless notes are 16ths. I would like the 
stemless notes to be strictly evenly spaced, regardless to what is 
written in the piano part. I have the feeling that it can be easily set, 
but I can't figure out how.


Thank you all!

Pierre

\version "2.18.2"

galoubet = \relative c'' {
  \override Staff.Beam.stencil = ##f
  \override Staff.Stem.stencil = ##f
  \override Staff.Flag.stencil = ##f
  %\override Staff.SpacingSpanner.uniform-stretching = ##t
  %\set Score.proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1/64)
  \set Staff.whichBar = ".|:" g16-. 
  \unset Staff.whichBar a-. cis-. fis,-. bes-. f-. b-. g-. bes-. fis-. b-. a-. f-. cis'-. b-. fis-. a-. bes-. g-. f-. cis'-. g-. b-. bes-. fis-. cis'-. a-. f-. \once \set Staff.whichBar = ":..:" 
  c'-.-\markup \italic "simile" bes-. des-. d-. e-. b-. c-. b-. e-. cis-. d-. bes-. b-. d-. c-. es-. e-. cis-. bes-. \once \set Staff.whichBar = ":..:"
}

global = {
  \set Staff.markFormatter = #format-mark-box-letters
  \omit Staff.TimeSignature
  \tweak X-offset #3 \tempo Calme
  \time 7/4
  s1. s4 \bar "!" \break
  \time 19/16
  s1 s8. \bar "!" \break
  \time 9/8
  s4.*3
}

pianoMD = \relative c''{
}

pianoMG = \relative c'' {
  s2 s8 \once \set PianoStaff.whichBar = ".|:" 
  %\shape #'((0 . -2) (-1 . 2) (1.5 . 2.5) (0 . -2)) Slur
  fis32[ _(  b d \change Staff = "MD" \ottava #1 fis gis b e b gis fis \ottava #0 \change Staff = "MG" d b]) \once \set PianoStaff.whichBar = ":|."  s2. 
  \once \set PianoStaff.whichBar = ".|:" cis,32[(-\markup \italic "simile" g' b! \change Staff = "MD" e fis g bes g fis e \change Staff = "MG" b! g]) \once \set PianoStaff.whichBar = ":|." s8 s2 s8.
}

galoubettbPartMouvementJ = \new PianoStaff \with {
  fontSize = #-4
  \override StaffSymbol #'staff-space = #(magstep -4)
  \accidentalStyle neo-modern
}
<<
  \new Staff \with {
\remove "Bar_number_engraver"
  }
  <<
\galoubet
\global
  >>
  \new Dynamics = "galoubetDYN" {
%\galoubetDYN
  }  
>>

pianoPartMouvementJ = \new PianoStaff \with {
  %instrumentName = \markup { \override #'(font-name . "Sanford") "Piano" }
  extraNatural = ##f
  \accidentalStyle neo-modern
}
<<
  \set PianoStaff.connectArpeggios = ##t
  \new Staff = "MD" {
<<
  \global
  \pianoMD
>>
  }
  \new Dynamics = "pianoDYN" {
%\pianoDYN
  }
  \new Staff = "MG" \with {
\remove "Metronome_mark_engraver"
\remove "Mark_engraver"
\remove "Bar_number_engraver"
  }
  <<
\global 
\pianoMG
  >>
  \new Dynamics = "pianoPED" {
%\pianoPED
  }  
>>

\score {
  <<
\keepWithTag solofullscore
\removeWithTag pnofullscore
\removeWithTag solopartsep
\galoubettbPartMouvementJ
  
\keepWithTag pnofullscore
\removeWithTag solofullscore
\removeWithTag solopartsep
\pianoPartMouvementJ
  >> 
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