Re: Embedding lily pdfs in InDesign
Am 2006-08-30 um 04:33 schrieb Trevor Bača: Ah, I think this is what I'm messing up. I've been trying to install the LilyPond fonts into OS X and it's proving to be *very* difficult. I've mentioned my installation attempts in a thread Kieren started in February (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2006-02/ msg00400.html) but the short of the matter is that using OS X's FontBook to install the several different sizes of Emmentaler has been frustrating. FontBook shows all the sizes as being there, but InDesign will recognize (and display in its Font menu) only 4 or 5 of the sizes. If I delete all the Emmentaler fonts from the whatever/Fonts folder to which FontBook writes, and then reinstall, then InDesign will see all the sizes *until I quit InDesign and restart*, at which point InDesign believes there're only 4 or 5 sizes again. Grrr ... There are some nasty problems with Apples font management, it doesn't seem to register some font faces. Sometimes it helps to deactive the fonts and activate again, sometimes nothing helps... Try Linotype's FontExplorer, it's free and better: http://www.linotype.com/2006/tools.html (I didn't try Emmentaler with it.) Henning wrote: FV I regularly use LilyPond PDFs with InDesign (CS, CS2) and ConTeXt and never had problems with those. This gives me hope. But take a look at the attachments. The before.png shows a bit of a lily-generated pdf as it comes out of lily. Perfect. The after.png shows what happens when I place the lily-generated pdf into InDesign and then export back out of InDesign to make a new pdf. Yuck. It looks like the lines (staff lines, ledger ... I'm assuming what *must* be going on here is that InDesign simply isn't seeing some of the LilyPond fonts (like certain sizes of the Emmentaler set) and so is substituting in a really ugly way. So maybe what I really need help with is figuring out how to install the LilyPond fonts under OS X. LilyPond's PDFs have the fonts embedded, they don't need to be installed. I never experienced something similar with LilyPond PDFs (but sometimes with output from other programs that used Quicktime drawing routines). BTW: I'm still using LilyPond 2.8.1 (didn't dare to try a newer version yet, because I had bad luck with some versions between 2.6 and 2.8.1). My machine is a G4/400 (PPC) with OSX 10.4.7 I don't think so, but perhaps it's a OSX/Intel problem? You could send me a .ly and .pdf to try. Greetlings from Lake Constance --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ http://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Embedding lily pdfs in InDesign
On 8/30/06, fiëé visuëlle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 2006-08-30 um 04:33 schrieb Trevor Bača: Ah, I think this is what I'm messing up. I've been trying to install the LilyPond fonts into OS X and it's proving to be *very* difficult. I've mentioned my installation attempts in a thread Kieren started in February (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2006-02/ msg00400.html) but the short of the matter is that using OS X's FontBook to install the several different sizes of Emmentaler has been frustrating. FontBook shows all the sizes as being there, but InDesign will recognize (and display in its Font menu) only 4 or 5 of the sizes. If I delete all the Emmentaler fonts from the whatever/Fonts folder to which FontBook writes, and then reinstall, then InDesign will see all the sizes *until I quit InDesign and restart*, at which point InDesign believes there're only 4 or 5 sizes again. Grrr ... There are some nasty problems with Apples font management, it doesn't seem to register some font faces. Sometimes it helps to deactive the fonts and activate again, sometimes nothing helps... Try Linotype's FontExplorer, it's free and better: http://www.linotype.com/2006/tools.html (I didn't try Emmentaler with it.) Awesome interface. Downloaded it, tried it, it does work, but InDesign still shows some of the Emmentaler sizes as missing, even after import with FontExplorer ... BUT, the point you make below about lily's PDFs already having the fonts embedded means that I shouldn't have to import the cheese fonts anyway, so maybe font installation under OS X isn't the problem I should be chasing ... Henning wrote: FV I regularly use LilyPond PDFs with InDesign (CS, CS2) and ConTeXt and never had problems with those. This gives me hope. But take a look at the attachments. The before.png shows a bit of a lily-generated pdf as it comes out of lily. Perfect. The after.png shows what happens when I place the lily-generated pdf into InDesign and then export back out of InDesign to make a new pdf. Yuck. It looks like the lines (staff lines, ledger ... I'm assuming what *must* be going on here is that InDesign simply isn't seeing some of the LilyPond fonts (like certain sizes of the Emmentaler set) and so is substituting in a really ugly way. So maybe what I really need help with is figuring out how to install the LilyPond fonts under OS X. LilyPond's PDFs have the fonts embedded, they don't need to be installed. I never experienced something similar with LilyPond PDFs (but sometimes with output from other programs that used Quicktime drawing routines). BTW: I'm still using LilyPond 2.8.1 (didn't dare to try a newer version yet, because I had bad luck with some versions between 2.6 and 2.8.1). My machine is a G4/400 (PPC) with OSX 10.4.7 I don't think so, but perhaps it's a OSX/Intel problem? You could send me a .ly and .pdf to try. Cool! I'll mail you the attachments privately ... -- Trevor Bača [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Embedding lily pdfs in InDesign
On 8/26/06, Han-Wen Nienhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trevor Bača wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any experience successfully embedding lily pdf output in InDesign? I start by creating a new InDesign doc and then placing the lily-generated pdf in the InDesign doc. Just to test I then export as pdf, and the results are pretty bad. Staff lines, ledger lines, beams and hairpins show up fine; but all noteheads, accidentals, and text are missing. My conclusion is that all font elements are missing (the cheese fonts for the music elemen ts, and New Century Schoolbook for the text). That's strange. Does it work when you install the LilyPond fonts into Windows/MacOS ? So is there anyone out there putting lily-generated pdfs into InDesign successfully? (I would prefer to keep everything in lily, but using any fonts in lily at all other than New Century Schoolbook causes explosions when I send the pdf to the printers.) That's strange. What platform are you on? The lily and NCSB aren't any special. Hi Graham, Han-Wen Henning, I've been digging around the last couple of nights trying to get lily-generated PDFs (or EPS) to show up in InDesign correctly. And I'm now in a position to answer comments: Han-Wen wrote: HW That's strange. What platform are you on? The lily and NCSB aren't any special. OS X Intel with 2.9.16 HW That's strange. Does it work when you install the LilyPond fonts into Windows/MacOS ? Ah, I think this is what I'm messing up. I've been trying to install the LilyPond fonts into OS X and it's proving to be *very* difficult. I've mentioned my installation attempts in a thread Kieren started in February (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2006-02/msg00400.html) but the short of the matter is that using OS X's FontBook to install the several different sizes of Emmentaler has been frustrating. FontBook shows all the sizes as being there, but InDesign will recognize (and display in its Font menu) only 4 or 5 of the sizes. If I delete all the Emmentaler fonts from the whatever/Fonts folder to which FontBook writes, and then reinstall, then InDesign will see all the sizes *until I quit InDesign and restart*, at which point InDesign believes there're only 4 or 5 sizes again. Grrr ... On the other hand, NCSB installed perfectly and InDesign sees it and renders all lily NCSB text correctly all the time. So what are the LilyPond fonts? NCSB together with the Emmentaler and Feta collections only? Or are there more? Also, are there instructions anywhere on installing the LilyPond fonts under OS X? Graham wrote: GP Didn't we discuss this a few days ago on -devel? ... at least, did you follow all the steps that were suggested for .eps files? There's even a doc section (14.8) about this issue, but it's not online yet. GP I think that lilypond -dno-gs-font-load should do what you want. Yes, Graham's definitely right here. lilypond -dno-gs-font-load (and Han-Wen's other pointer to -deps-font-include) *do* definitely embed the lilypond fonts into the PDF or EPS as grepping the output file's with grep's -a option shows (or even just using vim to nose around in the files and look for BeginFont). But even with the lily fonts embedded, InDesign refuses to recognize some of the fonts and does really ugly things (see pair of attachments). Henning wrote: FV I regularly use LilyPond PDFs with InDesign (CS, CS2) and ConTeXt and never had problems with those. This gives me hope. But take a look at the attachments. The before.png shows a bit of a lily-generated pdf as it comes out of lily. Perfect. The after.png shows what happens when I place the lily-generated pdf into InDesign and then export back out of InDesign to make a new pdf. Yuck. It looks like the lines (staff lines, ledger lines, tuplet brackets) are aligned according to one pattern, while (some but not all of) the noteheads, the time signatures, and the tuplet numbers and simply aligned according to some entirely different pattern. (There's no musical transposition here; InDesign seems to be shifting the noteheads in the after.png down and to the right, even though it kinda looks like things have transposed down a third.) I'm assuming what *must* be going on here is that InDesign simply isn't seeing some of the LilyPond fonts (like certain sizes of the Emmentaler set) and so is substituting in a really ugly way. So maybe what I really need help with is figuring out how to install the LilyPond fonts under OS X. (This is so frustrating because all I want to do with InDesign is add skewed, kerned text for the title and composer on the front page! I guess I should just build the title text in InDesign, save as EPS, and then import into lily ...) -- Trevor Bača [EMAIL PROTECTED] before.png Description: PNG image after.png Description: PNG image ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Embedding lily pdfs in InDesign
Trevor Bača wrote: Does anyone have any experience successfully embedding lily pdf output Didn't we discuss this a few days ago on -devel? ... at least, did you follow all the steps that were suggested for .eps files? There's even a doc section (14.8) about this issue, but it's not online yet. I think that lilypond -dno-gs-font-load should do what you want. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Embedding lily pdfs in InDesign
Trevor Bača wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any experience successfully embedding lily pdf output in InDesign? I start by creating a new InDesign doc and then placing the lily-generated pdf in the InDesign doc. Just to test I then export as pdf, and the results are pretty bad. Staff lines, ledger lines, beams and hairpins show up fine; but all noteheads, accidentals, and text are missing. My conclusion is that all font elements are missing (the cheese fonts for the music elemen ts, and New Century Schoolbook for the text). That's strange. Does it work when you install the LilyPond fonts into Windows/MacOS ? So is there anyone out there putting lily-generated pdfs into InDesign successfully? (I would prefer to keep everything in lily, but using any fonts in lily at all other than New Century Schoolbook causes explosions when I send the pdf to the printers.) That's strange. What platform are you on? The lily and NCSB aren't any special. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen LilyPond Software Design -- Code for Music Notation http://www.lilypond-design.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Embedding lily pdfs in InDesign
This sure doesn't help you, but just to report an experience... I embedded something more than 100 lily pdf files in ConTeXt, then rendered with pdftex, having no problem at all (I filled in an A0 page). -a- On 26 Aug 2006, at 10:55, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Trevor Bača wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any experience successfully embedding lily pdf output in InDesign? I start by creating a new InDesign doc and then placing the lily-generated pdf in the InDesign doc. Just to test I then export as pdf, and the results are pretty bad. Staff lines, ledger lines, beams and hairpins show up fine; but all noteheads, accidentals, and text are missing. My conclusion is that all font elements are missing (the cheese fonts for the music elemen ts, and New Century Schoolbook for the text). That's strange. Does it work when you install the LilyPond fonts into Windows/MacOS ? So is there anyone out there putting lily-generated pdfs into InDesign successfully? (I would prefer to keep everything in lily, but using any fonts in lily at all other than New Century Schoolbook causes explosions when I send the pdf to the printers.) That's strange. What platform are you on? The lily and NCSB aren't any special. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen LilyPond Software Design -- Code for Music Notation http://www.lilypond-design.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user Andrea Valle DAMS - Facoltà di Scienze della Formazione Università degli Studi di Torino http://www.semiotiche.it/andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Embedding lily pdfs in InDesign
Am 2006-08-26 um 07:24 schrieb Trevor Bača: Does anyone have any experience successfully embedding lily pdf output in InDesign? I regularly use LilyPond PDFs with InDesign (CS, CS2) and ConTeXt and never had problems with those. Greetlings from Lake Constance --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ http://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Embedding lily pdfs in InDesign
Hi, Does anyone have any experience successfully embedding lily pdf output in InDesign? I start by creating a new InDesign doc and then placing the lily-generated pdf in the InDesign doc. Just to test I then export as pdf, and the results are pretty bad. Staff lines, ledger lines, beams and hairpins show up fine; but all noteheads, accidentals, and text are missing. My conclusion is that all font elements are missing (the cheese fonts for the music elements, and New Century Schoolbook for the text). So is there anyone out there putting lily-generated pdfs into InDesign successfully? (I would prefer to keep everything in lily, but using any fonts in lily at all other than New Century Schoolbook causes explosions when I send the pdf to the printers.) -- Trevor Bača [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... like the dew, or like lightning ... ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
