Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony
This is incredibly impressive.
Piaras's implementation of an allow-interrupt-engraver provides a more or
less drop-in solution for this difficult technique.
>From the .ly attachment:
\new Staff \with {
\consists #allow-interrupt-engraver
}
What're are the chances that an Allow_interrupt_engraver could be added to
the official distribution?
Trevor.
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Piaras Hoban wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> A few weeks back I posted seeking a little help in implementing one of the
> more peculiar notational devices of Brian Ferneyhough, namely 'interruptive
> polyphony'.
>
> I've managed to find a way to implement these automatically and wanted to
> share the code in case anyone in future is looking to do something similar
> or could find it helpful otherwise.
>
> Attached is the first measure of Ferneyhough's Terrain. Would be
> interesting
> to compare fully with original score as lilypond's time-keeping seems a tad
> more accurate than the original... :-)
>
> best wishes,
>
> piaras hoban
>
> interruptive-polyphony.ly
> <
> http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n153387/interruptive-polyphony.ly
> >
>
> interruptive-polyphony.png
> <
> http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n153387/interruptive-polyphony.png
> >
>
>
>
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Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony
Am 06.11.2013 19:07, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: I would imagine it should work well with your own Lilypond examples project? Oh my, of course! Why didn't I think of this myself??? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony
Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes: > On 06/11/13 17:06, Urs Liska wrote: >> Really? >> From my experience publishers don't have/make problems with giving a free >> licence to use such an excerpt for such a purpose. > > IIRC stuff in the LSR is supposed to be dedicated to the public > domain, and there's no way I can see to do that. You can always ask the publisher. But of course, that would mean if people made a sampler/remix including just a rendition of those bars, there could be no royalty payments to Ferneyhough and/or his publisher and/or his resident thug agency (which usually only make exclusive royalty collection deals) for that. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony
On 06/11/13 17:06, Urs Liska wrote: Really? From my experience publishers don't have/make problems with giving a free licence to use such an excerpt for such a purpose. IIRC stuff in the LSR is supposed to be dedicated to the public domain, and there's no way I can see to do that. Anyway, if it is workable, great. Just thought it ought to be emphasized that there is a copyright/permissions issue here. Yes. But I would prefer the original one (which in this context means the originally posted one). Yes, me too. I would imagine it should work well with your own Lilypond examples project? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony
On 06/11/13 18:55, David Kastrup wrote: That would be the case even if Ferneyhough were not British to start with. Your other points are fine, but what's Ferneyhough's nationality got to do with it? FWIW, he's been resident in the US for 25+ years now, and his publisher is German ... ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony
Tim Roberts writes: > Urs Liska wrote: >> Am 06.11.2013 16:39, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: >>> > On 05/11/13 07:44, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >> Please submit this snippet to the LSR! >>> > He can't, it's the actual beginning of Ferneyhough's score and so >>> > under copyright. >> Really? >> From my experience publishers don't have/make problems with giving a >> free licence to use such an excerpt for such a purpose. > > Indeed, the use of a SHORT snippet for educational or critical review > purposes actually IS one of the allowed exceptions in the much > misunderstood and often misapplied "fair use" clause in American > copyright law. Not everybody is living in the U.S.A. though, and the licensing in other countries LilyPond may get distributed to is governed by local laws invoked by corporations having cross-licensing deals. That would be the case even if Ferneyhough were not British to start with. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony
Tim Roberts schrieb: >Urs Liska wrote: >> Am 06.11.2013 16:39, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: >>> > On 05/11/13 07:44, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >> Please submit this snippet to the LSR! >>> > He can't, it's the actual beginning of Ferneyhough's score and so >>> > under copyright. >> Really? >> From my experience publishers don't have/make problems with giving a > >> free licence to use such an excerpt for such a purpose. > >Indeed, the use of a SHORT snippet for educational or critical review >purposes actually IS one of the allowed exceptions in the much >misunderstood and often misapplied "fair use" clause in American >copyright law. Hm, the last time I was faced with this question I understood that "educational or critical review" applies when you are dealing with the work in question, i.e. when you write an article about Ferneyhough and want to demonstrate something about that piece. But anyway, which copyright will be applicable here? I'd think of the country the server ist located? Urs > >-- >Tim Roberts, t...@probo.com >Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc. > > > > > >___ >lilypond-user mailing list >lilypond-user@gnu.org >https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony
Urs Liska wrote: > Am 06.11.2013 16:39, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: >> > On 05/11/13 07:44, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >>> >> Please submit this snippet to the LSR! >> > He can't, it's the actual beginning of Ferneyhough's score and so >> > under copyright. > Really? > From my experience publishers don't have/make problems with giving a > free licence to use such an excerpt for such a purpose. Indeed, the use of a SHORT snippet for educational or critical review purposes actually IS one of the allowed exceptions in the much misunderstood and often misapplied "fair use" clause in American copyright law. -- Tim Roberts, t...@probo.com Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony
Am 06.11.2013 16:39, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: On 05/11/13 07:44, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Please submit this snippet to the LSR! He can't, it's the actual beginning of Ferneyhough's score and so under copyright. Really? From my experience publishers don't have/make problems with giving a free licence to use such an excerpt for such a purpose. The notation is cool, though, and I'm sure it's easy to come up with a similar example that is original. Yes. But I would prefer the original one (which in this context means the originally posted one). Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony
On 05/11/13 07:44, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Please submit this snippet to the LSR! He can't, it's the actual beginning of Ferneyhough's score and so under copyright. The notation is cool, though, and I'm sure it's easy to come up with a similar example that is original. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony
> A few weeks back I posted seeking a little help in implementing one > of the more peculiar notational devices of Brian Ferneyhough, namely > 'interruptive polyphony'. > > I've managed to find a way to implement these automatically and > wanted to share the code in case anyone in future is looking to do > something similar or could find it helpful otherwise. Please submit this snippet to the LSR! Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony
This is beautiful and mind blowing :) -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Ferneyhough-style-Interruptive-Polyphony-tp153387p153389.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony
Hi list, A few weeks back I posted seeking a little help in implementing one of the more peculiar notational devices of Brian Ferneyhough, namely 'interruptive polyphony'. I've managed to find a way to implement these automatically and wanted to share the code in case anyone in future is looking to do something similar or could find it helpful otherwise. Attached is the first measure of Ferneyhough's Terrain. Would be interesting to compare fully with original score as lilypond's time-keeping seems a tad more accurate than the original... :-) best wishes, piaras hoban interruptive-polyphony.ly <http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n153387/interruptive-polyphony.ly> interruptive-polyphony.png <http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n153387/interruptive-polyphony.png> -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Ferneyhough-style-Interruptive-Polyphony-tp153387.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
