Re: Figured bass - rest - hepl please
> My guess, based admittedly on partial evidence, is that these are in > fact intended as indications of a seventh chord, not some sort of > Tasto Solo indication or ... After all, a player of the period would > have had as much difficulty distinguishing that symbol from a 7 as > we have after studying the handwriting style. Hmm. In the recitativo, if the symbol in the lower red box is a 7, we have G major 7th chord immediately followed by an D major 6th chord, something not possible at that time, or at least very, very strange, probably reserved for special situations only. On the other hand, it *might* represent a 7th chord in the symphony – at least it is harmonically possible, in particular the one that has a natural right before it. To verify, however, we indeed need other voices to check this more carefully. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Figured bass - rest - hepl please
On Sat, 2014-10-04 at 09:57 +, Helena K. wrote: > Hi, > it is from Joseph Umstatt - early classic. The manuscript not digitized > and it is from one monastary collection - I can't publish it all. Rather - > if I manage to finish it, the whole score will be published in Juny for > free (maybe IMSLP too). > > There are seventh as well as 1/8th note rests. I guess you meant to write "there are seventh chords as well as 1/8th note rests"? Unfortunately the scans you provided don't give (much?) evidence of seventh chords distinguishable from "1/8th" rests, and all the places where the "1/8th rest" occurs sound like places where a seventh chord might be found - difficult to say without seeing what the other parts are doing at those points in the music. My guess, based admittedly on partial evidence, is that these are in fact intended as indications of a seventh chord, not some sort of Tasto Solo indication or ... After all, a player of the period would have had as much difficulty distinguishing that symbol from a 7 as we have after studying the handwriting style. HTH Richard > > The first example is the second part of the symphony and the second one is > the end of recitative 1 (alto) and start recitative 2 (canto). > > http://www.imgup.cz/image/gfx > http://www.imgup.cz/image/gfW > > Can I add only any "symbol" (here symbol of 1/8th note rest)? > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Figured bass - rest - hepl please
Oups,
\musicglyph #"rests.3"
should be the right grob...
Cheers,
Pierre
2014-10-04 12:30 GMT+02:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider <
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com>:
> Hi Helena,
>
> 2014-10-02 19:41 GMT+02:00 Helena K. :
>
>> Hi,
>> is there somebody, who can some way, how I can write rests in figured
>> bass? I need is necessary for one Oratory - my masterthese...
>>
>
> How about :
>
> \version "2.18.2"
> <<
> \new FiguredBass
> \figuremode {
> \set figuredBassAlterationDirection = #RIGHT
> \set figuredBassPlusDirection = #RIGHT
> \override BassFigureAlignment.stacking-dir = #UP
> <_+>1
> <6>1
> <6>2 <_+>2
>
> <6>1
> <6>1
> s2 <5 6>2
> s1
> s4 <""-\markup\raise #2 \musicglyph #"rests.4">
> }
> \new Staff = "violoneMusic"
> \relative c {
> \clef bass
> \key c \major
> d1
> dis2 e2
> c b
> d e
> g1
> c,2 e
> f1
> r4 g4
> }
> >>
>
> HTH,
> Pierre
>
>
>
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Re: Figured bass - rest - hepl please
Hi Helena,
2014-10-02 19:41 GMT+02:00 Helena K. :
> Hi,
> is there somebody, who can some way, how I can write rests in figured
> bass? I need is necessary for one Oratory - my masterthese...
>
How about :
\version "2.18.2"
<<
\new FiguredBass
\figuremode {
\set figuredBassAlterationDirection = #RIGHT
\set figuredBassPlusDirection = #RIGHT
\override BassFigureAlignment.stacking-dir = #UP
<_+>1
<6>1
<6>2 <_+>2
<6>1
<6>1
s2 <5 6>2
s1
s4 <""-\markup\raise #2 \musicglyph #"rests.4">
}
\new Staff = "violoneMusic"
\relative c {
\clef bass
\key c \major
d1
dis2 e2
c b
d e
g1
c,2 e
f1
r4 g4
}
>>
HTH,
Pierre
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Re: Figured bass - rest - hepl please
Hi, it is from Joseph Umstatt - early classic. The manuscript not digitized and it is from one monastary collection - I can't publish it all. Rather - if I manage to finish it, the whole score will be published in Juny for free (maybe IMSLP too). There are seventh as well as 1/8th note rests. The first example is the second part of the symphony and the second one is the end of recitative 1 (alto) and start recitative 2 (canto). http://www.imgup.cz/image/gfx http://www.imgup.cz/image/gfW Can I add only any "symbol" (here symbol of 1/8th note rest)? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Figured bass - rest - hepl please
> Me too. But my professor told me, that is correctly. > > http://www.imgup.cz/image/gK6 > http://www.imgup.cz/image/gK7 Very interesting. And you are sure this is a rest? Can you give more information on the composer and the piece? Is the original manuscript available online? It seems that you've found something not covered with our figured bass notation, and we have to extend Lilypond to support it easily. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Figured bass - rest - hepl please
On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 06:34 +, Helena K. wrote: > Me too. But my professor told me, that is correctly. but is he right? Are those apparent 1/8th note rests actually 7, meaning a seventh? Only more context would allow more certainty (and a plausible explanation of what it might mean to place a rest above another figure - e.g. to indicate what are nowadays called power chords). Is the score you have gotten these examples from on IMSLP? Or can you upload it? Richard > http://www.imgup.cz/image/gK6 > http://www.imgup.cz/image/gK7 > > > > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Me too. But my professor told me, that is correctly. http://www.imgup.cz/image/gK6 http://www.imgup.cz/image/gK7 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Figured bass - rest - hepl please
> Of course r4 = s4. > But I need have the "symbol of rest" in the figured bass. Never seen this before. Please post a scan of what you want to achieve. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Figured bass - rest - hepl please
Of course r4 = s4. But I need have the "symbol of rest" in the figured bass. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Figured bass - rest - hepl please
Hi,
is there somebody, who can some way, how I can write rests in figured
bass? I need is necessary for one Oratory - my masterthese...
I'm thankful for any suggestion.
\new FiguredBass \figuremode {
\set figuredBassAlterationDirection = #RIGHT
\set figuredBassPlusDirection = #RIGHT
\override BassFigureAlignment.stacking-dir = #UP
<_+>1
<6>1
<6>2 <_+>2
<6>1
<6>1
s2 <5 6>2
s1
s4 r8
}
\new Staff = "violoneMusic" \relative c {
\clef bass \key c \major
d1
dis2 e2
c b
d e
g1
c,2 e
f1
4 g4}
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