Fw: Lilypond store?

2006-07-09 Thread Stewart Holmes

My intention is to offer downloads of PDF files. My plan was to source from
public domain sources, such as archives of old sheet music, and indeed parts
of Mutopia which are under certain licence.

I'm not sure I understand why I would want to sell printed music - surely,
here, I would not be able to compete with publishers selling similar
material. In selling downloadable PDF files, you are removing this 
overhead,

allowing you to reduce prices, and be competitive with other places selling
sheet music. Also, I don't really have the time to print out  post much
sheet music, and would not be able to offer the print quality of a
publisher. Unless... are there online services that can print  deliver
music?

Lulu.com looks interesting - it would eliminate the need for 
hosting/setting
up an online store... but whether the disadvantage of being on a site with 
a

large amount of other work is big enough, I'm not sure.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts, Chris.

I initially read this thread as a proposal for offering printed versions 
of scores for sale. However, on a re-read, I understand that you're 
proposing to offer downloads of PDF files instead.


The attraction of Mutopia for me was the creation of an open source 
archive of sheet music, that people can download for free, print out, 
photocopy, and distribute. Rather like Project Gutenberg, but for music.


If you want to create a rival archive offering pieces for download at a 
price, then you are of course free to go ahead. Speaking from the point 
of view of someone who's looked after Mutopia for the last seven years, I 
think cleaning up Mutopia pieces and organising them for printing would 
be a very time consuming task. Entering new pieces is of course even more 
time consuming.


From a legal point of view, you will have to be careful what pieces from 
Mutopia you use. Many are licensed under a CreativeCommons Attribution or 
Attribution-ShareAlike license. Neither restricts you from selling works 
based on the Mutopia version, but the latter insists that you release 
your versions under an identical license (a bit like the GPL).


My positive suggestion would be to create a new website offering high 
quality *printed* LilyPond-engraved music for sale based on Mutopia 
contributions, still licensed under open source licenses. We did some 
experiments with lulu.com a while ago, and the results were very 
promising, so that's one possibility. If we work with you on this, and 
improvements are fed back to Mutopia, then we'd be happy to have links 
from the relevant Mutopia music pages to your store (ie. buy a printed 
copy of this music). Of course, you can pick music from Mutopia which is 
already reasonably high quality and likely to be popular. If you're 
interested, please let me know.


I would personally be very disappointed if someone were to fork 
Mutopia.


Chris

--

Chris Sawer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Mutopia team leader
Free sheet music for all at:  http://www.MutopiaProject.org/






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Fw: Lilypond store?

2006-07-05 Thread Stewart Holmes

On 7/5/06, Stewart Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I suggest that you start a discussion thread on mutopia's mailing 
 lists:

 If
 you have constructive ideas on how to create an archive of 
 high-quality
 public domain notes, then I would strongly recommend you to use your 
 ideas

 to
 improve mutopia; if that's not possible, use mutopia as a base for
 creating
 such an archive (i.e., fork the mutopia project).

Unfortunately I don't really have constructive ideas how to improve it;


Well -- and this is a straw-man argument -- there's always the example
of SlashDot and other projects with 'community content-filtering'. If
the mutopia crew *could*, somehow, establish a system of community
review, well then, maybe mutopia could become a repository of really
professional-looking stuff.

The difficulty, I think, is that it's probably easier to evaluate the
wittiness of others' comments (or the relevance of news stories, as on
SlashDot) than it is to evaluate the professional-ness of music
engraving. So even if mutopia set up some sort of community filtering,
it's not clear that the filtering would work.

Dunno.



To an extent yes... but some of Mutopia's scores are so badly done that I
really don't know how they were accepted in the first place. I hate to user
another's work as an example in this case, but I think it's the best way to
illustrate my point:
http://www.mutopiaproject.org/ftp/SorF/O1/sor_op_1_5_2/sor_op_1_5_2-a4.pdf

Stewart 



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