Re: Help with Section Sequence
Hi Javier 2011/4/17 Javier Ruiz-Alma : >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: Javier Ruiz-Alma >>>>>> To: LilyPond User Group >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:50 AM >>>>>> Subject: Help with Section Sequence >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> Please check the attached sample PDF and reply if I need to change >>>>>> way these >>>>>> sections should be performed. >>>>>> This will help me build a correct MIDI block and play this as >>>>>> intended. >>>>>> The >>>>>> sequence shown sounds a bit weird to me when I listen to the MIDI and >>>>>> I >>>>>> suspect I'm just not reading this correctly. >>>>>> Thanks, Javier >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>2011/4/15 Phil Holmes: >>>>> >>>>> That's how I would perform it. >>>>> -- >>>>> Phil Holmes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Hi Phil >>>> >>>>I may be wrong, but: >>>>I don't think the MIDI output includes the repetitions, so the MIDI >>>>will just play sec A, sec B, sec C of this example >>>>As far as I know, you have to use \repeat unfold to get repetitions in >>>> the >>>> MIDI. >>>> >>>> >>>>Regards >>>> >>>>Jakob. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Hi Jakob, >>> The command \unfoldRepeats will do this. >>> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Repeats-in-MIDI >>> Attached is the .ly file I created for this snippet. >>> >>> Javier >> >>From: jakob lund >>Hola >> >>Ooh nice, didn't know that one. >>And in fact, I think I now understand what your original question was. >> >>To notate the performance sequence you describe, the annotation at the >>end should be "D.S. al fine" (D.C. means da capo, from the top, while >>D.S., dal segno, means from the sign) >>Also, the segno mark shouldn't be printed over the last bar line. >> >>Finally, I'm purty sure that the custom is to print the word "fine" in >>lowercase italics, and above the system. >> >> >>Hopefully I'm not making a fool of myself here by stating the obvious... >>Cheers >> >>Jakob. > > > Hello Jakob, > A bit of background: I'm typesetting a collection of 19th century minuets > into lilypond and would also like to get the most approximate MIDI. Several > scores in the collection were annotated by the author with the same > structure as in the attached PDF...with the following caveats: > -where the Segnos are shown, the author placed two segnos, one above treble > staff, another below bass staff > -The bar with 'fine' is a finale-type chord, of course, while > -The bar going into the first Segno has the same finale-type chord, but with > a second voice or accompaniment to continue the piece. > > You're exactly right, the sequence I initially proposed doesn't match with > "D.C. al Segno". > Here's the next sequence iteration I'm leaning more towards: > |Sect A|Sect A|Sect B|Sect B|Sect C|From start of Sect A to Segno| > However: play the last bar going into Segno in same way as the one marked > 'fine' (i.e. just play the resolution/finale chord). > > I would've liked to attach the original score, but it's one page in a PDF > document with 90+pages and I don't have any app to extract a single page out > of the very large PDF document. > Lastly, I still have no explanation for why the author added Segnos to the > end of the score, except to think these scores being part of an old > piano tutorial, his intent was to show the student " 'Da Capo al Segno' that > looks like 'S%' ". > > Let me know what you think. Javier > > I can't make sense of it. My guess is that the author (or copyist) mistook DC for DS, so that the sequence you have in your PDF is correct. Cheers Jakob ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Help with Section Sequence
Hola 2011/4/16 Javier Ruiz-Alma : >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: Javier Ruiz-Alma >>>> To: LilyPond User Group >>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:50 AM >>>> Subject: Help with Section Sequence >>>> Hi All, >>>> Please check the attached sample PDF and reply if I need to change >>>> way these >>>> sections should be performed. >>>> This will help me build a correct MIDI block and play this as intended. >>>> The >>>> sequence shown sounds a bit weird to me when I listen to the MIDI and I >>>> suspect I'm just not reading this correctly. >>>> Thanks, Javier >>>> >>>> > >>>2011/4/15 Phil Holmes: >>> >>> That's how I would perform it. >>> -- >>> Phil Holmes >>> >>> > >>Hi Phil >> >>I may be wrong, but: >>I don't think the MIDI output includes the repetitions, so the MIDI >>will just play sec A, sec B, sec C of this example >>As far as I know, you have to use \repeat unfold to get repetitions in the >> MIDI. >> >> >>Regards >> >>Jakob. >> >> > > Hi Jakob, > The command \unfoldRepeats will do this. > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Repeats-in-MIDI > Attached is the .ly file I created for this snippet. > > Javier Ooh nice, didn't know that one. And in fact, I think I now understand what your original question was. To notate the performance sequence you describe, the annotation at the end should be "D.S. al fine" (D.C. means da capo, from the top, while D.S., dal segno, means from the sign) Also, the segno mark shouldn't be printed over the last bar line. Finally, I'm purty sure that the custom is to print the word "fine" in lowercase italics, and above the system. Hopefully I'm not making a fool of myself here by stating the obvious... Cheers Jakob. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Help with Section Sequence
>>2011/4/15 Phil Holmes: >> >> That's how I would perform it. >> -- >> Phil Holmes >> >> >Hi Phil > >I may be wrong, but: >I don't think the MIDI output includes the repetitions, so the MIDI >will just play sec A, sec B, sec C of this example >As far as I know, you have to use \repeat unfold to get repetitions in the MIDI. > > >Regards > >Jakob. > > Hi Jakob, The command \unfoldRepeats will do this. http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Repeats-in-MIDI Attached is the .ly file I created for this snippet. Javier>>> - Original Message - >>> From: Javier Ruiz-Alma >>> To: LilyPond User Group >>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:50 AM >>> Subject: Help with Section Sequence >>> Hi All, >>> Please check the attached sample PDF and reply if I need to change way these >>> sections should be performed. >>> This will help me build a correct MIDI block and play this as intended. The >>> sequence shown sounds a bit weird to me when I listen to the MIDI and I >>> suspect I'm just not reading this correctly. >>> Thanks, Javier >>> >>> snippet_volta_dc_al_segno_w_MIDI.ly Description: Binary data ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Help with Section Sequence
Hi Phil I may be wrong, but: I don't think the MIDI output includes the repetitions, so the MIDI will just play sec A, sec B, sec C of this example As far as I know, you have to use \repeat unfold to get repetitions in the MIDI. Regards Jakob. 2011/4/15 Phil Holmes : > That's how I would perform it. > -- > Phil Holmes > > > > - Original Message - > From: Javier Ruiz-Alma > To: LilyPond User Group > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:50 AM > Subject: Help with Section Sequence > Hi All, > Please check the attached sample PDF and reply if I need to change way these > sections should be performed. > This will help me build a correct MIDI block and play this as intended. The > sequence shown sounds a bit weird to me when I listen to the MIDI and I > suspect I'm just not reading this correctly. > Thanks, Javier > > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Help with Section Sequence
That's how I would perform it. -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Javier Ruiz-Alma To: LilyPond User Group Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:50 AM Subject: Help with Section Sequence Hi All, Please check the attached sample PDF and reply if I need to change way these sections should be performed. This will help me build a correct MIDI block and play this as intended. The sequence shown sounds a bit weird to me when I listen to the MIDI and I suspect I'm just not reading this correctly. Thanks, Javier -- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
