Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Noeck]

If you can't guess the name, here is a way to find it:

lilypond -dshow-available-fonts x

will print you a list of font families, font configs and font
directories on your system.

lilypond -dshow-available-fonts x 2>&1| grep family | sort | uniq

will print only the families and their name in alphabetic order. So you
can find your font there and copy the name instead of guessing.

Cheers,
Joram

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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Carl-Henrik Buschmann]

Things are comming along. What i find is that some fonts simply does not work 
and thus activates the horrendous sans-serif thing. 

Thank you!


Carl-Henrik

> 14. feb. 2016 kl. 23.00 skrev Noeck :
> 
> Hi Carl-Henrik,
> 
> that's what I mean by figure out the correct font name. On lilybin,
> these two work for me:
> \override Lyrics.LyricText.font-name = "Palatino"
> \override Lyrics.LyricText.font-name = "Palatino Regular"
> 
> Your name "Palatino-Regular" does not exist and then some ugly default
> sans-serif font is chosen.
> 
> Cheers,
> Joram


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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Noeck]

Hi Carl-Henrik,

that's what I mean by figure out the correct font name. On lilybin,
these two work for me:
\override Lyrics.LyricText.font-name = "Palatino"
\override Lyrics.LyricText.font-name = "Palatino Regular"

Your name "Palatino-Regular" does not exist and then some ugly default
sans-serif font is chosen.

Cheers,
Joram

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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Noeck]

Hi Carl-Hendrik,

please use the code I sent you, because it works here, I tested it. If
you then want to put it elsewhere or change things, do it step by step
to see which step fails.

Does this minimal example work for you?

{ a a a a }
\addlyrics { A B C D }

\layout {
  \override Lyrics.LyricText.font-name = "Arial"
  \override Lyrics.LyricText.font-size = -1
}

Possible problems are:
- Did you forget the 'Lyrics.' part?
- You need a string, so either #"fontname" or "fontname"
- Sometimes it is difficult to find the correct font name
Try with an easy name of a font that you know is installed on your
computer. For example: the font Century Schoolbook is not just called
like this, but rather "Century Schoolbook L". Or I often use Linux
Libertine which is called "Linux Libertine O"

> Regardless of font, how to make the font size smaller?

Have you seen my mail?


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Joram

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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Carl-Henrik Buschmann]

Joram,

Thank you - will test. Sorry to say your mail did not come to my mailbox, only 
in the digest. Will check my subscription settings.
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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Carl-Henrik Buschmann]

Hi,

It did something, but not what i expect. Cannot get it to conform to the font i 
wish. Running latest OS X and latest lily-stuff.

http://lilybin.com/15a0y9/10 



> 14. feb. 2016 kl. 22.05 skrev Carl-Henrik Buschmann :
> 
> Joram,
> 
> Thank you - will test. Sorry to say your mail did not come to my mailbox, 
> only in the digest. Will check my subscription settings.

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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Carl-Henrik Buschmann]

I tried this inside the lyrics, i dont see any change though:

\override LyricText #'font-name = #Alegreya-Regular

http://lilybin.com/15a0y9/8 (thought it does not compile in lilybin - it works 
fine on my mac).

DRAWING blanks, again.


Carl-Henrik

> 14. feb. 2016 kl. 17.40 skrev Carl-Henrik Buschmann :
> 
> Thank you for the heads up. Will revise the dynamics, slurs and phrasings.
> 
> Fonts. I’ve tried looking in the manual but i shoot blanks: how do i change 
> the font and font size of the lyrics?
> 
> 
>> 14. feb. 2016 kl. 15.44 skrev Simon Albrecht :
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> On 14.02.2016 12:58, Carl-Henrik Buschmann wrote:
>>> I need advice on how to best typeset my SATB score. The problem revolves 
>>> around horizontal spacing.
>>> 
>>> http://lilybin.com/15a0y9/2
>>> 
>>> I feel it is a bit cramped and the breaks do not flow naturally.
>> 
>> I don’t think it’s cramped – well, I like ‘cramped’ old Peters editions, so 
>> that may be anachronistic and personal taste.
>> 
>>> What can i do to improve?
>> 
>> Choose a narrower text font – I like and often use Alegreya from 
>> fontsquirrel.org. I’d not advise using a smaller text font, since it gives 
>> an ill proportion between text and music size. However I find it perfectly 
>> alright to use a fontsize of 16 for choral scores. It will remain well 
>> legible.
>> 
>> What’s more, (well-made) choral scores _always_ print dynamics above the 
>> staff to not have them on the same side like the lyrics. There’s a number of 
>> cases in your example where I’d also move slurs and ties, maybe even scripts 
>> above the staff. But that’s a matter of style as well.
>> 
>> And I’d suggest to always use proper lyric hyphens, since the misaligned 
>> syllables at the end of bars 19 and 39 are confusing. You can avoid creating 
>> a melisma with the slur by either removing slurMelismaBusy from 
>> melismaBusyProperties or using phrasing slurs { \( \) }.
>> 
>> HTH, Simon
> 


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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Simon Albrecht]

On 14.02.2016 20:24, Carl-Henrik Buschmann wrote:

I tried this inside the lyrics, i dont see any change though:

\override LyricText #'font-name = #Alegreya-Regular


You need to give the font name as a string, in this case:
\override LyricText.font-name = "Alegreya"
(untested)

HTH, Simon

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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Carl-Henrik Buschmann]

No luck, at least on my system. 

Regardless of font, how to make the font size smaller?


Carl-Henrik

> 14. feb. 2016 kl. 20.27 skrev Simon Albrecht :
> 
> On 14.02.2016 20:24, Carl-Henrik Buschmann wrote:
>> I tried this inside the lyrics, i dont see any change though:
>> 
>> \override LyricText #'font-name = #Alegreya-Regular
> 
> You need to give the font name as a string, in this case:
> \override LyricText.font-name = "Alegreya"
> (untested)
> 
> HTH, Simon


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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Noeck]

Dear Carl-Henrik,

I would suggest to reduce the global staff size to 19. That gives you
more space both vertically and horizontally. And I would remove your
custom system-system-spacing as it makes it harder to recognize what
belongs to which system. I don't know if that is an option for you.

Cheers,
Joram

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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

With the same number of systems?

\layout {
   system-count = 18
   \context {
  \Score
  \override LyricText #'font-size = #-1
}
}

If not fine, have you tried Joram's idea?



2016-02-14 13:22 GMT+01:00 Carl-Henrik Buschmann :

> It definitly helps, but it still feels cramped.
>
> I used:
> \context {
>   \Score
>   \override LyricText #'font-size = #-1
> }
>
>
>
> 14. feb. 2016 kl. 13.16 skrev Pierre Perol-Schneider <
> pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com>:
>
> Hi Carl-Henrik,
>
> How about a smaller font size for the lyrics?
>
> Cheers,
> Pierre
>
> 2016-02-14 12:58 GMT+01:00 Carl-Henrik Buschmann :
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I need advice on how to best typeset my SATB score. The problem revolves
>> around horizontal spacing.
>>
>> http://lilybin.com/15a0y9/2
>>
>> I feel it is a bit cramped and the breaks do not flow naturally. What can
>> i do to improve?
>>
>> In the source you will see what i have already attempted. Perhaps those
>> attempts are the way to go but the eyes of the crowd usually works wonders.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Carl-Henrik
>>
>>
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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Carl-Henrik Buschmann]

http://lilybin.com/15a0y9/6
Things are coming along quite nicely. Thank you for your suggestions. 

I'd appreciate any tips you all see to make this even more beautiful.



> 14. feb. 2016 kl. 13.37 skrev Pierre Perol-Schneider 
> :
> 
> With the same number of systems?
> 
> \layout {
>system-count = 18
>\context { 
>   \Score 
>   \override LyricText #'font-size = #-1 
> } 
> }
> 
> If not fine, have you tried Joram's idea?
> 
> 
> 
> 2016-02-14 13:22 GMT+01:00 Carl-Henrik Buschmann  >:
> It definitly helps, but it still feels cramped. 
> 
> I used:
> \context { 
>   \Score 
>   \override LyricText #'font-size = #-1 
> } 
> 
> 
> 
>> 14. feb. 2016 kl. 13.16 skrev Pierre Perol-Schneider 
>> >:
>> 
>> Hi Carl-Henrik,
>> 
>> How about a smaller font size for the lyrics?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Pierre
>> 
>> 2016-02-14 12:58 GMT+01:00 Carl-Henrik Buschmann > >:
>> Hey,
>> 
>> I need advice on how to best typeset my SATB score. The problem revolves 
>> around horizontal spacing. 
>> 
>> http://lilybin.com/15a0y9/2 
>> 
>> I feel it is a bit cramped and the breaks do not flow naturally. What can i 
>> do to improve?
>> 
>> In the source you will see what i have already attempted. Perhaps those 
>> attempts are the way to go but the eyes of the crowd usually works wonders.
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Carl-Henrik
>> 
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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi Carl-Henrik,

How about a smaller font size for the lyrics?

Cheers,
Pierre

2016-02-14 12:58 GMT+01:00 Carl-Henrik Buschmann :

> Hey,
>
> I need advice on how to best typeset my SATB score. The problem revolves
> around horizontal spacing.
>
> http://lilybin.com/15a0y9/2
>
> I feel it is a bit cramped and the breaks do not flow naturally. What can
> i do to improve?
>
> In the source you will see what i have already attempted. Perhaps those
> attempts are the way to go but the eyes of the crowd usually works wonders.
>
>
> Best,
> Carl-Henrik
>
>
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Horizontal spacing - choir music

[Carl-Henrik Buschmann]

Hey,

I need advice on how to best typeset my SATB score. The problem revolves around 
horizontal spacing. 

http://lilybin.com/15a0y9/2

I feel it is a bit cramped and the breaks do not flow naturally. In the source 
you will see what i have already attempted. Perhaps those attempts are the way 
to go but i need the eyes of the crowd. 


Best,
Carl-Henrik
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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Simon Albrecht]

Hello,

On 14.02.2016 12:58, Carl-Henrik Buschmann wrote:
I need advice on how to best typeset my SATB score. The problem 
revolves around horizontal spacing.


http://lilybin.com/15a0y9/2

I feel it is a bit cramped and the breaks do not flow naturally.


I don’t think it’s cramped – well, I like ‘cramped’ old Peters editions, 
so that may be anachronistic and personal taste.



What can i do to improve?


Choose a narrower text font – I like and often use Alegreya from 
fontsquirrel.org. I’d not advise using a smaller text font, since it 
gives an ill proportion between text and music size. However I find it 
perfectly alright to use a fontsize of 16 for choral scores. It will 
remain well legible.


What’s more, (well-made) choral scores _always_ print dynamics above the 
staff to not have them on the same side like the lyrics. There’s a 
number of cases in your example where I’d also move slurs and ties, 
maybe even scripts above the staff. But that’s a matter of style as well.


And I’d suggest to always use proper lyric hyphens, since the misaligned 
syllables at the end of bars 19 and 39 are confusing. You can avoid 
creating a melisma with the slur by either removing slurMelismaBusy from 
melismaBusyProperties or using phrasing slurs { \( \) }.


HTH, Simon

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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Carl-Henrik Buschmann]

It definitly helps, but it still feels cramped. 

I used:
\context { 
  \Score 
  \override LyricText #'font-size = #-1 
} 



> 14. feb. 2016 kl. 13.16 skrev Pierre Perol-Schneider 
> :
> 
> Hi Carl-Henrik,
> 
> How about a smaller font size for the lyrics?
> 
> Cheers,
> Pierre
> 
> 2016-02-14 12:58 GMT+01:00 Carl-Henrik Buschmann  >:
> Hey,
> 
> I need advice on how to best typeset my SATB score. The problem revolves 
> around horizontal spacing. 
> 
> http://lilybin.com/15a0y9/2 
> 
> I feel it is a bit cramped and the breaks do not flow naturally. What can i 
> do to improve?
> 
> In the source you will see what i have already attempted. Perhaps those 
> attempts are the way to go but the eyes of the crowd usually works wonders.
> 
> 
> Best,
> Carl-Henrik
> 
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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Phil Holmes]

Be a little careful with your English idioms.  In British English "shoot 
blanks" means you are sterile.  "Draw blanks" means you could not find 
anything.


My wife was amused :-)

--
Phil Holmes


- Original Message - 
From: "Carl-Henrik Buschmann" <chbuschm...@mac.com>

To: "Simon Albrecht" <simon.albre...@mail.de>
Cc: "lilypond-user" <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Horizontal spacing - choir


Thank you for the heads up. Will revise the dynamics, slurs and phrasings.

Fonts. I’ve tried looking in the manual but i shoot blanks: how do i change 
the font and font size of the lyrics?




14. feb. 2016 kl. 15.44 skrev Simon Albrecht <simon.albre...@mail.de>:

Hello,

On 14.02.2016 12:58, Carl-Henrik Buschmann wrote:
I need advice on how to best typeset my SATB score. The problem revolves 
around horizontal spacing.


http://lilybin.com/15a0y9/2

I feel it is a bit cramped and the breaks do not flow naturally.


I don’t think it’s cramped – well, I like ‘cramped’ old Peters editions, 
so that may be anachronistic and personal taste.



What can i do to improve?


Choose a narrower text font – I like and often use Alegreya from 
fontsquirrel.org. I’d not advise using a smaller text font, since it gives 
an ill proportion between text and music size. However I find it perfectly 
alright to use a fontsize of 16 for choral scores. It will remain well 
legible.


What’s more, (well-made) choral scores _always_ print dynamics above the 
staff to not have them on the same side like the lyrics. There’s a number 
of cases in your example where I’d also move slurs and ties, maybe even 
scripts above the staff. But that’s a matter of style as well.


And I’d suggest to always use proper lyric hyphens, since the misaligned 
syllables at the end of bars 19 and 39 are confusing. You can avoid 
creating a melisma with the slur by either removing slurMelismaBusy from 
melismaBusyProperties or using phrasing slurs { \( \) }.


HTH, Simon



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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Noeck]

> Fonts. I’ve tried looking in the manual but i shoot blanks: how do i change 
> the font and font size of the lyrics?

This is rather well described here in the first chapter:
1.8.3 Musical notation > Text > Fonts
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/fonts

For your case:

\layout {
  \override Lyrics.LyricText.font-name = "Arial"
  \override Lyrics.LyricText.font-size = -1
}

% Just please do not choose Arial ;)

HTH,
Joram

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Re: Horizontal spacing - choir

[Carl-Henrik Buschmann]

Thank you for the heads up. Will revise the dynamics, slurs and phrasings.

Fonts. I’ve tried looking in the manual but i shoot blanks: how do i change the 
font and font size of the lyrics?


> 14. feb. 2016 kl. 15.44 skrev Simon Albrecht :
> 
> Hello,
> 
> On 14.02.2016 12:58, Carl-Henrik Buschmann wrote:
>> I need advice on how to best typeset my SATB score. The problem revolves 
>> around horizontal spacing.
>> 
>> http://lilybin.com/15a0y9/2
>> 
>> I feel it is a bit cramped and the breaks do not flow naturally.
> 
> I don’t think it’s cramped – well, I like ‘cramped’ old Peters editions, so 
> that may be anachronistic and personal taste.
> 
>> What can i do to improve?
> 
> Choose a narrower text font – I like and often use Alegreya from 
> fontsquirrel.org. I’d not advise using a smaller text font, since it gives an 
> ill proportion between text and music size. However I find it perfectly 
> alright to use a fontsize of 16 for choral scores. It will remain well 
> legible.
> 
> What’s more, (well-made) choral scores _always_ print dynamics above the 
> staff to not have them on the same side like the lyrics. There’s a number of 
> cases in your example where I’d also move slurs and ties, maybe even scripts 
> above the staff. But that’s a matter of style as well.
> 
> And I’d suggest to always use proper lyric hyphens, since the misaligned 
> syllables at the end of bars 19 and 39 are confusing. You can avoid creating 
> a melisma with the slur by either removing slurMelismaBusy from 
> melismaBusyProperties or using phrasing slurs { \( \) }.
> 
> HTH, Simon


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Horizontal spacing - choir

[Carl-Henrik Buschmann]

Hey,

I need advice on how to best typeset my SATB score. The problem revolves around 
horizontal spacing. 

http://lilybin.com/15a0y9/2 

I feel it is a bit cramped and the breaks do not flow naturally. What can i do 
to improve?

In the source you will see what i have already attempted. Perhaps those 
attempts are the way to go but the eyes of the crowd usually works wonders.


Best,
Carl-Henrik

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