Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
This isn't meant to be sung by a singer. This is from a beginner's piano method (I'm a piano teacher). The words are to give a sense of the stress in the meter, to give the player an idea of the mood of the piece, and possibly for the player to sing along. The slurs, though, are entirely for the pianist and have nothing to do with the lyrics. I don't really have an opinion if it is a good idea to introduce young musicians to non-standard notation. Personally, my students and I pretty much ignore the texts (which are usually of poor quality anyway) and play as it were a normal piano score. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/How-write-cross-staff-slur-in-combination-with-lyrics-tp182033p182126.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
Thanks a lot everyone for those smart responses. I've been reading and re-reading the thread multiple times ;-) Must say, reading let stand writing code like this for such an easy part is not that easy for a beginner I'm afraid... Best regards! Jurgen L. - Original Message - From: "Simon Albrecht" <simon.albre...@mail.de> To: "David Wright" <lily...@lionunicorn.co.uk> Cc: "jurgen lamsens" <jurgen.lams...@telenet.be>, lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 9:06:29 PM Subject: Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics) On 06.10.2015 06:40, David Wright wrote: > However, I just wanted to observe two things about the OP's original: > the words are much smaller, and the first three bars look as though > they are using proportional spacing. No, they don’t. Proportional spacing is a very specific means for complicated situations in mostly ‘modern’ music, and what the example shows is just unnecessary loose spacing, less proficient by far than LilyPond’s solution. > One of the things that I've noticed about LP is that by default the > lyrics are scaled up in size relative to the music, compared with many > publishers' scores, which can lead to a more irregular note spacing. > This isn't a criticism: it's easily "correctable" but I much prefer it > anyway because of my eyesight. And legibility is the exact reason why LilyPond’s lyrics are larger than commonly used nowadays. > Mind you, I'm not sure why a beginner's piano book has lyrics at all, > particularly placing them between the staves. In order to make the connection to a tune the child knows, or to teach the actual song to sing it as well; also, thinking text is a good means to achieve more musical playing. Yours, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
On 06.10.2015 22:22, jurgen.lams...@telenet.be wrote: Thanks a lot everyone for those smart responses. I've been reading and re-reading the thread multiple times ;-) Must say, reading let stand writing code like this for such an easy part is not that easy for a beginner I'm afraid... If you have any questions about the constructs I used, feel free to ask! I’m aware that there were probably many new things in there. Yours, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
Am 06.10.2015 um 21:06 schrieb Simon Albrecht: >> One of the things that I've noticed about LP is that by default the >> lyrics are scaled up in size relative to the music, compared with >> many publishers' scores, which can lead to a more irregular note >> spacing. This isn't a criticism: it's easily "correctable" but I much >> prefer it anyway because of my eyesight. > > And legibility is the exact reason why LilyPond’s lyrics are larger > than commonly used nowadays. This issue is partially due to the relative width of LilyPond's default text font. Using different fonts with condensed variants is much more efficient (while keeping legibility) than simply decreasing LyricText.font-size. Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
Quoting Simon Albrecht (simon.albre...@mail.de): > On 06.10.2015 06:40, David Wright wrote: > >However, I just wanted to observe two things about the OP's > >original: the words are much smaller, and the first three bars > >look as though they are using proportional spacing. > > No, they don’t. Proportional spacing is a very specific means for > complicated situations in mostly ‘modern’ music, and what the > example shows is just unnecessary loose spacing, less proficient by > far than LilyPond’s solution. Forgive me if I gave the impression that I was criticising anybody or anything. It wasn't a technical comment; I was just making a light-hearted observation regarding the roughly crochet-sized gaps after the minims in the original photograph, which might be mimicked by dropping in a line like \set Score.proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 8) No more than that. Cheers, David. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
Am 6. Oktober 2015 22:22:48 MESZ, schrieb jurgen.lams...@telenet.be: >Thanks a lot everyone for those smart responses. I've been reading and >re-reading the thread multiple times ;-) > >Must say, reading let stand writing code like this for such an easy >part is not that easy for a beginner I'm afraid... Yes, this is understandable. But after all your example is not that easy. There are several things that are non-standard notation, and LilyPond "thinks" in semantics and structure. On the long run this is a terrific strength , but for a start it may be daunting that you can't simply pull things around like in a graphics program. Best Urs > >Best regards! >Jurgen L. > > >- Original Message - >From: "Simon Albrecht" <simon.albre...@mail.de> >To: "David Wright" <lily...@lionunicorn.co.uk> >Cc: "jurgen lamsens" <jurgen.lams...@telenet.be>, lilypond-user@gnu.org >Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 9:06:29 PM >Subject: Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics) > >On 06.10.2015 06:40, David Wright wrote: >> However, I just wanted to observe two things about the OP's original: > >> the words are much smaller, and the first three bars look as though >> they are using proportional spacing. > >No, they don’t. Proportional spacing is a very specific means for >complicated situations in mostly ‘modern’ music, and what the example >shows is just unnecessary loose spacing, less proficient by far than >LilyPond’s solution. > >> One of the things that I've noticed about LP is that by default the >> lyrics are scaled up in size relative to the music, compared with >many >> publishers' scores, which can lead to a more irregular note spacing. >> This isn't a criticism: it's easily "correctable" but I much prefer >it >> anyway because of my eyesight. > >And legibility is the exact reason why LilyPond’s lyrics are larger >than >commonly used nowadays. > >> Mind you, I'm not sure why a beginner's piano book has lyrics at all, > >> particularly placing them between the staves. > >In order to make the connection to a tune the child knows, or to teach >the actual song to sing it as well; also, thinking text is a good means > >to achieve more musical playing. > >Yours, Simon > >___ >lilypond-user mailing list >lilypond-user@gnu.org >https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
On 06.10.2015 06:40, David Wright wrote: However, I just wanted to observe two things about the OP's original: the words are much smaller, and the first three bars look as though they are using proportional spacing. No, they don’t. Proportional spacing is a very specific means for complicated situations in mostly ‘modern’ music, and what the example shows is just unnecessary loose spacing, less proficient by far than LilyPond’s solution. One of the things that I've noticed about LP is that by default the lyrics are scaled up in size relative to the music, compared with many publishers' scores, which can lead to a more irregular note spacing. This isn't a criticism: it's easily "correctable" but I much prefer it anyway because of my eyesight. And legibility is the exact reason why LilyPond’s lyrics are larger than commonly used nowadays. Mind you, I'm not sure why a beginner's piano book has lyrics at all, particularly placing them between the staves. In order to make the connection to a tune the child knows, or to teach the actual song to sing it as well; also, thinking text is a good means to achieve more musical playing. Yours, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
My daughter is learning the piano right now and the very simple songs she
is learning all are very "cleaned up", meaning that there are no key
signatures, no rests, etc. There are only clefs, notes, and lyrics (besides
the two piano staves).
It all seems to be working out. As she progresses, more notation elements
are introduced.
Just wanted to add another reason why the "standard" way of writing the
music may not be employed in the OP's original image.
Best,
Abraham
On Monday, October 5, 2015, David Wright [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n182080...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:
> Quoting Simon Albrecht ([hidden email]
> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=182080=0>):
>
> > One small amendment: The spacing is less grotesque if you insert
> > %%%
> > selfAl = #(define-music-function (parser location num) (number?)
> > #{ \once \override LyricText . self-alignment-X = $num #})
> >
> > text = \lyricmode {
> > Rid -- ing, | rid -- ing, | \selfAl #.5 ’round \selfAl #-.5 and a
> > -- round
> > }
> > %%%
> > instead of the lyrics.
>
> Thanks for another snippet to file away for later use.
>
> However, I just wanted to observe two things about the OP's original:
> the words are much smaller, and the first three bars look as though
> they are using proportional spacing.
>
> One of the things that I've noticed about LP is that by default the
> lyrics are scaled up in size relative to the music, compared with many
> publishers' scores, which can lead to a more irregular note spacing.
> This isn't a criticism: it's easily "correctable" but I much prefer it
> anyway because of my eyesight.
>
> > On 05.10.2015 12:46, [hidden email]
> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=182080=1> wrote:
> > > Notice: the "full-measure rests" are not shown in the screenshot
> > > (beginner piano book), but I want to engrave them anyway.
>
> Might the lack of rests indicate that it is music for one voice/hand?
>
> > – Nitpick: the typographical apostrophe ’ – hard to achieve, alas,
> > on most keyboard layouts. And apparently most people don’t seem to
> > mind, but I find it much nicer.
>
> Another reason to use curly quotes is that you can write lyrics like
> “All hail,” instead of "\"All" "hail,\"" which improves the appearance
> of the source as well as the output.
>
> Mind you, I'm not sure why a beginner's piano book has lyrics at all,
> particularly placing them between the staves.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
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Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
On 05.10.2015 13:33, Urs Liska wrote: Remove the slurs in the first two measures completely Hear, hear! The musicologist deviates from the original notation :-) You definitely need to make an editorial remark… Cheek aside, I think they are phrasing slurs and make sense as such. Yours, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
Quoting Simon Albrecht (simon.albre...@mail.de):
> One small amendment: The spacing is less grotesque if you insert
> %%%
> selfAl = #(define-music-function (parser location num) (number?)
> #{ \once \override LyricText . self-alignment-X = $num #})
>
> text = \lyricmode {
> Rid -- ing, | rid -- ing, | \selfAl #.5 ’round \selfAl #-.5 and a
> -- round
> }
> %%%
> instead of the lyrics.
Thanks for another snippet to file away for later use.
However, I just wanted to observe two things about the OP's original:
the words are much smaller, and the first three bars look as though
they are using proportional spacing.
One of the things that I've noticed about LP is that by default the
lyrics are scaled up in size relative to the music, compared with many
publishers' scores, which can lead to a more irregular note spacing.
This isn't a criticism: it's easily "correctable" but I much prefer it
anyway because of my eyesight.
> On 05.10.2015 12:46, jurgen.lams...@telenet.be wrote:
> > Notice: the "full-measure rests" are not shown in the screenshot
> > (beginner piano book), but I want to engrave them anyway.
Might the lack of rests indicate that it is music for one voice/hand?
> – Nitpick: the typographical apostrophe ’ – hard to achieve, alas,
> on most keyboard layouts. And apparently most people don’t seem to
> mind, but I find it much nicer.
Another reason to use curly quotes is that you can write lyrics like
“All hail,” instead of "\"All" "hail,\"" which improves the appearance
of the source as well as the output.
Mind you, I'm not sure why a beginner's piano book has lyrics at all,
particularly placing them between the staves.
Cheers,
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Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
- Original Message - From: "Simon Albrecht" <simon.albre...@mail.de> To: "Urs Liska" <u...@openlilylib.org>; <lilypond-user@gnu.org> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 8:07 PM Subject: Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics) On 05.10.2015 13:33, Urs Liska wrote: > Remove the slurs in the first two measures completely Hear, hear! The musicologist deviates from the original notation :-) You definitely need to make an editorial remark… Cheek aside, I think they are phrasing slurs and make sense as such. Yours, Simon I would definitely argue against removing the slurs from the vocal part. Slurs serve two purposes: to show melisma and to show phrasing. In terms of the lilypond input, they're coded differently; in terms of the image in the score, they look the same. Have a look at some of Vaughan Williams' "Songs of Travel" for use of this sort of phrasing: "The Roadside Fire" is a good example. -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
Am 05.10.2015 um 22:20 schrieb Simon Albrecht:
> On 05.10.2015 22:01, Urs Liska wrote:
>>
>> Am 05.10.2015 um 21:07 schrieb Simon Albrecht:
>>> On 05.10.2015 13:33, Urs Liska wrote:
Remove the slurs in the first two measures completely
>>> Hear, hear! The musicologist deviates from the original notation :-)
>>> You definitely need to make an editorial
>> Depends on the type of publication of course. Anyway, this obsession to
>> justify and comment on *everything* is a comparably new trend.
>> Traditionally the musicologist would silently ("stillschweigend")
>> correct "obvious errors" ;-)
>>
>>> Cheek aside, I think they are phrasing slurs and make sense as such.
>> I'd also say that this depends too, this time on the style of the music.
>> In most cases I'd consider them dubious. But I deliberately didn't tell
>> the OP to remove the slurs but to *consider* doing so.
>
> I hope you didn’t take my remark too seriously :-)
>
Not at all. But I was afraid that my answer might sound too serious ...
Best
Urs
> Good night, Simon
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Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
Am 05.10.2015 um 21:07 schrieb Simon Albrecht:
> On 05.10.2015 13:33, Urs Liska wrote:
>> Remove the slurs in the first two measures completely
>
> Hear, hear! The musicologist deviates from the original notation :-)
> You definitely need to make an editorial
Depends on the type of publication of course. Anyway, this obsession to
justify and comment on *everything* is a comparably new trend.
Traditionally the musicologist would silently ("stillschweigend")
correct "obvious errors" ;-)
> Cheek aside, I think they are phrasing slurs and make sense as such.
I'd also say that this depends too, this time on the style of the music.
In most cases I'd consider them dubious. But I deliberately didn't tell
the OP to remove the slurs but to *consider* doing so.
Urs
>
> Yours, Simon
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Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
Hello Jurgen,
On 05.10.2015 12:46, jurgen.lams...@telenet.be wrote:
Hi all,
I'm a complete newbie here, so please bear with me ;-)
I already spent a couple of hours, reading all manuals and mailing lists,
Reading the manuals is always helpful, but at the beginning it’s a huge
heap – and after four years there are still parts of the NR I discover
for the first time… but you’ll get the hang :-)
trying to engrave something as simple as this:
Notice: the "full-measure rests" are not shown in the screenshot
(beginner piano book), but I want to engrave them anyway.
I’d suggest working with spacer rests, for the following reason: There
is only one voice here, so there is no need for visible rests.
Result: please check lilypond attachment.
2 problems:
1.cross-staff slur:
a. using the list archive, apparently a possible solution is changing
staffs.
And a very natural solution, given that it’s the same melody in the same
voice, which only – changes staff :-) Sometimes LilyPond does have quite
intuitive syntax.
I attach a version, which shows how I’d do it. There is a certain amount
of indivuality in how everybody uses to code music in LilyPond. But the
methods I used here tend to be very robust and versatile, so I may
recommend studying that.
A few comments:
– the `\context SomeContext = "name-of-the-context" \content` command is
used to reference an already existing context. In this example, the
\lyricsto can only be used after the associated Voice has been created,
so I create an empty Lyrics context first and insert the content later.
– Nitpick: the typographical apostrophe ’ – hard to achieve, alas, on
most keyboard layouts. And apparently most people don’t seem to mind,
but I find it much nicer.
– LyricHyphen, \shape and phrasing slur have already been explained. I
really think they are phrasing slurs, especially in the context of such
an elementary school, where they just indicate the analysis of the form.
– Separating "global" and "aux" variables will come in handy in more
complicated situations, here it’s not yet necessary.
– \override VerticalAxisGroup.staff-affinity tells the Lyrics context,
to which staff it belongs – this changes spacing. Default is #UP.
Happy Ponding!
Yours, Simon
\version "2.18.2"
global = {
\key c \major
\time 3/4
}
aux = {
\tempo "Gracefully"
s2.*4
\bar "||"
}
melody = \relative {
e'4\( g2\) | %m1
g4\( e2\) | %m2/right
f4-\shape #'((-.3 . -6) (0 . -9) (-1.2 . -4.3) (-.3 . -4)) \( d c | %m3/right
\change Staff = "left"
b2.\) |%m4/left
%\change Staff = right
%R2. |%m4/right
}
text = \lyricmode {
Rid -- ing, | rid -- ing, | âround and a -- round
}
\score {
\new PianoStaff \with {
instrumentName = "Pno."
} <<
\new Lyrics = "text" \with { \override VerticalAxisGroup.staff-affinity = #DOWN }
\new Staff = "right" << \global \aux >>
\new Staff = "left" << \global \clef bass \aux >>
\context Staff = "right" \new Voice = "melody" \melody
\context Lyrics = "text" \lyricsto "melody" \text
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Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
On 05.10.2015 22:01, Urs Liska wrote:
Am 05.10.2015 um 21:07 schrieb Simon Albrecht:
On 05.10.2015 13:33, Urs Liska wrote:
Remove the slurs in the first two measures completely
Hear, hear! The musicologist deviates from the original notation :-)
You definitely need to make an editorial
Depends on the type of publication of course. Anyway, this obsession to
justify and comment on *everything* is a comparably new trend.
Traditionally the musicologist would silently ("stillschweigend")
correct "obvious errors" ;-)
Cheek aside, I think they are phrasing slurs and make sense as such.
I'd also say that this depends too, this time on the style of the music.
In most cases I'd consider them dubious. But I deliberately didn't tell
the OP to remove the slurs but to *consider* doing so.
I hope you didn’t take my remark too seriously :-)
Good night, Simon
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Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
Hi Jurgen, welcome to this list and LilyPond! I will answer some of your questions but you'll surely get other responses as well. Am 05.10.2015 um 12:46 schrieb jurgen.lams...@telenet.be: > Hi all, > > I'm a complete newbie here, so please bare with me ;-) > > I already spent a couple of hours, reading all manuals and mailing > lists, trying to engrave something as simple as this: > > > Notice: the "full-measure rests" are not shown in the screenshot > (beginner piano book), but I want to engrave them anyway. Result: > please check lilypond attachment. > > 2 problems: > > 1.cross-staff slur: > a. using the list archive, apparently a possible solution is changing > staffs. Yes, this is the most straightforward solution. And if the image you posted is more or less all you need it is the way to go. > I'm changing staffs from "right/upper" to "left/under" after note > "c4", and then I write final note "b2." By doing that, apparently > there is also an empty 4th measure added automatically to the "right" > staff. I did not expect that, because I wanted to put a rest "R2."in > that measure, by changing back from "left" to "right" after I wrote > final note "b2.", > but clearly that does not give me the desired result. The solution is quite simple in your case: you can simply have the "left hand" rests change staff too. So adding \change Staff = right R2. after the third measure in the "left" variable will give you the desired result. There are solutions that may be "semantically" more correct, but for your example this is what I would do. > > b. It _does_ give a cross-staff slur, but it is not as "nice" as the > one in the screenshot. That one starts somewhere at the half of the > stem of "f4" and ends above lyric "round" that is centered above final > note "b2.". How can that > be accomplished? For changing the shape of a slur (or tie) you can use the function \shape (as explained here: http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/modifying-shapes.html) and enter e.g. \shape #'((0.25 . -1.5)(3 . 1)(0 . 0)(0 . -3)) Slur immediately *before* the note the slur start is attached to. This is a more general solution than that suggested by David but also a more (unnecessarily?) complex one. > But first the lyrics question... > > 2. lyrics > a. I have trouble finding a solution for the lyrics: I want a dash > between e.g. "Rid" and "ing" (one syllable per note) as in the > screenshot, but the slur between "e4" and "g2" prevents me from > getting the desired result. If I remove those round > brackets (slur), I'm still not getting "Rid - ing" but "Riding" in one > word without a dash. How can that be accomplished? First thing: you have to write "Rid -- ing" both times (with a double hyphen which is surrounded by spaces). This is the way to tell LilyPond that you want syllables. The thing with slurs and phrasing slurs (David's suggestion) may warrant an additional solution. Your original example is actually non-standard notation: The slurs usually indicate a melisma and therefore the syllables are distributed differently from what you expect. Therefore you have to "trick" LilyPond into doing what you want it to do, namely printing non-standard notation. The trick in this case is that a phrasing slur doesn't take part in the melisma/non-melisma considerations. But actually I suggest you consider actually changing the notation: Remove the slurs in the first two measures completely and use a phrasing slur over m. 3-4.. HTH Urs > > Thanks in advance! > Jurgen L. > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
Hi all,
I'm a complete newbie here, so please bare with me ;-)
I already spent a couple of hours, reading all manuals and mailing lists,
trying to engrave something as simple as this:
Notice: the "full-measure rests" are not shown in the screenshot (beginner
piano book), but I want to engrave them anyway. Result: please check lilypond
attachment.
2 problems:
1.cross-staff slur:
a. using the list archive, apparently a possible solution is changing staffs.
I'm changing staffs from "right/upper" to "left/under" after note "c4", and
then I write final note "b2." By doing that, apparently
there is also an empty 4th measure added automatically to the "right" staff. I
did not expect that, because I wanted to put a rest "R2."in that measure, by
changing back from "left" to "right" after I wrote final note "b2.",
but clearly that does not give me the desired result.
b. It _does_ give a cross-staff slur, but it is not as "nice" as the one in the
screenshot. That one starts somewhere at the half of the stem of "f4" and ends
above lyric "round" that is centered above final note "b2.". How can that
be accomplished? But first the lyrics question...
2. lyrics
a. I have trouble finding a solution for the lyrics: I want a dash between e.g.
"Rid" and "ing" (one syllable per note) as in the screenshot, but the slur
between "e4" and "g2" prevents me from getting the desired result. If I remove
those round
brackets (slur), I'm still not getting "Rid - ing" but "Riding" in one word
without a dash. How can that be accomplished?
Thanks in advance!
Jurgen L.
\version "2.18.2"
right = << \relative c' {
\tempo "Gracefully"
\clef "treble"
\key c \major
\numericTimeSignature \time 3/4
e4( g2) |%m1/right
g4( e2) |%m2/right
f4( d c |%m3/right
\change Staff = left
b2.) |%m4/left
%\change Staff = right
%R2. |%m4/right
}
\addlyrics {
Rid -- ing | riding, | 'round and a round
}
>>
left = \relative c' {
\clef "bass"
\key c \major
\numericTimeSignature \time 3/4
R2. |%m1/left
R2. |%m2/left
R2. |%m3/left
%b2. |%m4/left -> changed to left from right
}
pianoPart = \new PianoStaff \with {
instrumentName = "Pno."
} <<
\new Staff = "right" \right
\new Staff = "left" \left
>>
\score {
<<
\pianoPart
% ...
>>
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Re: How write cross-staff slur (in combination with lyrics)
jurgen.lams...@telenet.be writes:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm a complete newbie here, so please bare with me ;-)
>
> I already spent a couple of hours, reading all manuals and mailing
> lists, trying to engrave something as simple as this:
>
> *
>
> Notice: the "full-measure rests" are not shown in the screenshot
> (beginner piano book), but I want to engrave them anyway. Result:
> please check lilypond attachment.
Good. Attaching your example document makes it easy to just add the
required changes.
> 2 problems:
>
> 1.cross-staff slur:
> a. using the list archive, apparently a possible solution is changing staffs.
> I'm
> changing staffs from "right/upper" to "left/under" after note "c4", and then
> I write
> final note "b2." By doing that, apparently
> there is also an empty 4th measure added automatically to the "right"
> staff.
Changing staves does not rewind time so you have to apply the rest in
parallel.
> b. It _does_ give a cross-staff slur, but it is not as "nice" as the
> one in the screenshot. That one starts somewhere at the half of the
> stem of "f4" and ends above lyric "round" that is centered above final
> note "b2.". How can that be accomplished?
You can relax some constraints. The below already looks more like what
you are asking for. I'd probably not bother more than that.
> But first the lyrics question...
>
> 2. lyrics
> a. I have trouble finding a solution for the lyrics: I want a dash
> between e.g. "Rid" and "ing" (one syllable per note) as in the
> screenshot, but the slur between "e4" and "g2" prevents me from
> getting the desired result. If I remove those round brackets (slur),
> I'm still not getting "Rid - ing" but "Riding" in one word without a
> dash. How can that be accomplished?
I am using a phrasing slur here since that's apparently what you are
doing (namely, indicating a legato execution but not continuing
text/notes).
\version "2.18.2"
right = << \relative c' {
\tempo "Gracefully"
\clef "treble"
\key c \major
\numericTimeSignature \time 3/4
e4\( g2\) |%m1/right
g4\( e2\) |%m2/right
f4-\tweak height-limit 5 \( d c |%m3/right
<< \new Voice { R2. }
\change Staff = left
b2.\)
>> |%m4/left+right
}
\addlyrics {
Rid -- ing | rid -- ing, | 'round and a -- round
}
>>
left = \relative c' {
\clef "bass"
\key c \major
\numericTimeSignature \time 3/4
R2. |%m1/left
R2. |%m2/left
R2. |%m3/left
\skip 2. |%m4/left -> changed to left from right
}
pianoPart = \new PianoStaff \with {
instrumentName = "Pno."
} <<
\new Staff = "right" \right
\new Staff = "left" \left
>>
\score {
<<
\pianoPart
% ...
>>
}
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