Re: Hyphenating words in lyrics across long repeats and across multiple pitches
On 21.07.2016 12:16, Mojca Miklavec wrote: So I guess that what you wrote me is because "Tra" would normally be centred on the musical note, but now that a hyphen is considered to be part of it, it gets wider, so the function shifts the note relative to lyrics for 0.4 units to the left to compensate. That’s not quite how it works. self-alignment-X sets the reference point for alignment. 0 means the center of the grob’s visible extent, -1 left edge, 1 right edge, and you can choose any other value which will be placed on that scale. Another problem are cases which I would intuitively write tra -- _ -- la where the first syllable "tra" would be sung across two pitches. Simple: just omit the second hyphen. Hyphens will be extended to span the whole distance until the next actual syllable comes. Same with extenders. Great, thank you. Could this be added to documentation, for example somewhere like http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/learning/aligning-lyrics-to-a-melody http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/techniques-specific-to-lyrics It really took me quite some time to figure out how to: - hyphenate world (my initial attempt was a single '-' and perhaps even without spaces) - create an extended underline - skip notes (my initial attempt was an empty string: "") - create a "syllable" that contains space - the two problems mentioned above Most of these are in fact discussed in the LM section, e.g. stating ‘As an alternative to using slurs, the melismata may be indicated in just the lyrics by using an underscore |_| for each note that should be included in the melisma’. HTH, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Hyphenating words in lyrics across long repeats and across multiple pitches
On 21 July 2016 at 11:29, Simon Albrecht wrote: > On 21.07.2016 03:39, Mojca Miklavec wrote: >> >> When I try to start a syllable that continues after the repeat, I have >> a problem. >> >> Lilypond complains loudly: >> repeats.ly:24:38: warning: unterminated hyphen; removing >> >> Below an example that should read >> Oh, tralalala! Tralalali! >> >> (Of course the hyphen would "kind of" work if I add "li!" at the end – >> it would pretend as if the word was "Tra -- li" and would place the >> hyphen to the wrong place.) >> >> What's the best recipe to fix such cases? > > > You have to revert to some kind of tricks; in this case, using "Tra -", > which has the disadvantage of taking the hyphen from the font instead of > Lily’s engraver tool, so it will probably look slightly different. Yes, I tried using "Tra-" and noticed that the typesetting was different (coming from TeX this seems unacceptable :) :) :) :) OK, I don't mean that seriously. But if this is not easy to handle, I'm fine with whatever is available and a differently typeset hyphen is ok. > See attached. Thank you. So I guess that what you wrote me is because "Tra" would normally be centred on the musical note, but now that a hyphen is considered to be part of it, it gets wider, so the function shifts the note relative to lyrics for 0.4 units to the left to compensate. I cannot decide whether it's more ugly to keep that source code or to keep a slightly non-central position of the text. I guess it's more tough to tolerate the ugly source code (plus, if I change the font, I would have to fix the setting again). But I really like learning a new trick. >> Another problem are cases which I would intuitively write >> tra -- _ -- la >> >> where the first syllable "tra" would be sung across two pitches. > > Simple: just omit the second hyphen. Hyphens will be extended to span the > whole distance until the next actual syllable comes. Same with extenders. Great, thank you. Could this be added to documentation, for example somewhere like http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/learning/aligning-lyrics-to-a-melody http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/techniques-specific-to-lyrics It really took me quite some time to figure out how to: - hyphenate world (my initial attempt was a single '-' and perhaps even without spaces) - create an extended underline - skip notes (my initial attempt was an empty string: "") - create a "syllable" that contains space - the two problems mentioned above A zillion advanced techniques are discussed about how to do tricks with both horizontal and vertical alignment, but some of the above very simple techniques could probably be explained in a few words even in the initial tutorial. Thank you, Mojca ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Hyphenating words in lyrics across long repeats and across multiple pitches
On 21.07.2016 03:39, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
When I try to start a syllable that continues after the repeat, I have
a problem.
Lilypond complains loudly:
repeats.ly:24:38: warning: unterminated hyphen; removing
Below an example that should read
Oh, tralalala! Tralalali!
(Of course the hyphen would "kind of" work if I add "li!" at the end –
it would pretend as if the word was "Tra -- li" and would place the
hyphen to the wrong place.)
What's the best recipe to fix such cases?
You have to revert to some kind of tricks; in this case, using "Tra -",
which has the disadvantage of taking the hyphen from the font instead of
Lily’s engraver tool, so it will probably look slightly different. See
attached.
Another problem are cases which I would intuitively write
tra -- _ -- la
where the first syllable "tra" would be sung across two pitches.
Simple: just omit the second hyphen. Hyphens will be extended to span
the whole distance until the next actual syllable comes. Same with
extenders.
Best, Simon
\version "2.19.30"
selfAl = #(define-music-function (num) (number?)
(once (propertyOverride '(LyricText self-alignment-X) num)))
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Voice = "melody" \fixed c' {
\autoBeamOff
\time 2/4
a2 | a2 |
\repeat volta 2 {
a4 a4 |
}
\alternative {
{ a4 a4 |}
{ a4 cis'8[ e'] | }
}
a'2
\bar "|."
}
% the last hyphen after 'Tra" is problematic and gets removed
\context Lyrics = "lyrics" {
\lyricsto "melody" {
Oh, tra -- la -- la -- la! \selfAl #-0.4 "Tra -"
li! __ _ _
}
}
>>
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Hyphenating words in lyrics across long repeats and across multiple pitches
Hello,
When I try to start a syllable that continues after the repeat, I have
a problem.
Lilypond complains loudly:
repeats.ly:24:38: warning: unterminated hyphen; removing
Below an example that should read
Oh, tralalala! Tralalali!
(Of course the hyphen would "kind of" work if I add "li!" at the end –
it would pretend as if the word was "Tra -- li" and would place the
hyphen to the wrong place.)
What's the best recipe to fix such cases?
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Voice = "melody" \fixed c' {
\time 2/4
a2 | a2 |
\repeat volta 2 {
a4 a4 |
}
\alternative {
{ a4 a4 |}
{ a2 | }
}
\bar "|."
}
% the last hyphen after 'Tra" is problematic and gets removed
\context Lyrics = "lyrics" {
\lyricsto "melody" {
Oh, tra -- la -- la -- la! Tra --
% li!
}
}
>>
Another problem are cases which I would intuitively write
tra -- _ -- la
where the first syllable "tra" would be sung across two pitches. But
if I do the above, the hyphen gets lost and I get "trala" that
looks as if I had two words rather than "tra - la" (I can add a full
example if the question is not clear).
Is there any way to get the hyphen back (other than adding an explicit
slur)? If I just add a slur, it would not always work because
different stanzas might be different.
Thank you,
Mojca
repeats.ly
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