Re: I would like to buy this enhancement (highly motivated buyer)
On Thursday 12 October 2006 18:22, Rick Hansen (aka RickH) wrote: Thanks for the suggestion Mats. My motivation for this is that I am currently writing some lesson material that reference full scores and would like to make a nice word processor document that flows, with illustrations embedded in the text, and the text flows around the illustrations, etc. (an old school typography look with no grids or tables). Something that really looks nice and has an artful use of typography and imbedded illustrations. I found that I needed dozens of music snippets from the original, and was wasting a lot of time massaging my already-completed-just-fine scores to put the excerpted notes into dedicated variables for re-use, tags, skiptypesetting, etc. Times having to do that for all the vertical staffs, lyrics, chord names, across the needed measures, amplified the work. Finally I threw my hands up in frustration and thought of how I would make such a document using just a simple typewriter and xActo knife. In this case, it is not sufficient to just use \tag etc., because if you do, each snippet will be treated as the first system, so time signature etc. will be displayed in each example. One solution for you could be to wrap the .ly code inside a .tely document, and use lilypond-book. Lilypond-book generates one individual .eps for each system, so if you just insert \breaks in the right spots, then it should give you what you want (this way, you will also get page breaks between systems in a natural way). Also, I hope you know about OOoLilypond; if not, please read the ML archives. -- Erik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: I would like to buy this enhancement (highly motivated buyer)
Since Han-Wen already has implemented what Rick requested, the discussion is now obsolete. /Mats Quoting Erik Sandberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 12 October 2006 18:22, Rick Hansen (aka RickH) wrote: Thanks for the suggestion Mats. My motivation for this is that I am currently writing some lesson material that reference full scores and would like to make a nice word processor document that flows, with illustrations embedded in the text, and the text flows around the illustrations, etc. (an old school typography look with no grids or tables). Something that really looks nice and has an artful use of typography and imbedded illustrations. I found that I needed dozens of music snippets from the original, and was wasting a lot of time massaging my already-completed-just-fine scores to put the excerpted notes into dedicated variables for re-use, tags, skiptypesetting, etc. Times having to do that for all the vertical staffs, lyrics, chord names, across the needed measures, amplified the work. Finally I threw my hands up in frustration and thought of how I would make such a document using just a simple typewriter and xActo knife. In this case, it is not sufficient to just use \tag etc., because if you do, each snippet will be treated as the first system, so time signature etc. will be displayed in each example. One solution for you could be to wrap the .ly code inside a .tely document, and use lilypond-book. Lilypond-book generates one individual .eps for each system, so if you just insert \breaks in the right spots, then it should give you what you want (this way, you will also get page breaks between systems in a natural way). Also, I hope you know about OOoLilypond; if not, please read the ML archives. -- Erik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: I would like to buy this enhancement (highly motivated buyer)
Yes, it seems to work great for all my initial tests so far. Han-Wen is very fast. I have already made a word processor document that references several EPS clips from the original score. Now I only have one score to maintain and one document to maintain, and when I change the score the revised clips are automatically reflected in the word processor document (assuming the clip file names were not also changed). Mats Bengtsson-4 wrote: Since Han-Wen already has implemented what Rick requested, the discussion is now obsolete. /Mats Quoting Erik Sandberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 12 October 2006 18:22, Rick Hansen (aka RickH) wrote: Thanks for the suggestion Mats. My motivation for this is that I am currently writing some lesson material that reference full scores and would like to make a nice word processor document that flows, with illustrations embedded in the text, and the text flows around the illustrations, etc. (an old school typography look with no grids or tables). Something that really looks nice and has an artful use of typography and imbedded illustrations. I found that I needed dozens of music snippets from the original, and was wasting a lot of time massaging my already-completed-just-fine scores to put the excerpted notes into dedicated variables for re-use, tags, skiptypesetting, etc. Times having to do that for all the vertical staffs, lyrics, chord names, across the needed measures, amplified the work. Finally I threw my hands up in frustration and thought of how I would make such a document using just a simple typewriter and xActo knife. In this case, it is not sufficient to just use \tag etc., because if you do, each snippet will be treated as the first system, so time signature etc. will be displayed in each example. One solution for you could be to wrap the .ly code inside a .tely document, and use lilypond-book. Lilypond-book generates one individual .eps for each system, so if you just insert \breaks in the right spots, then it should give you what you want (this way, you will also get page breaks between systems in a natural way). Also, I hope you know about OOoLilypond; if not, please read the ML archives. -- Erik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/I-would-like-to-buy-this-enhancement-%28highly-motivated-buyer%29-tf2425929.html#a6837324 Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: I would like to buy this enhancement (highly motivated buyer)
Rick Hansen (aka RickH) schreef: Yes, it seems to work great for all my initial tests so far. Han-Wen is very fast. I have already made a word processor document that references several EPS clips from the original score. Now I only have one score to maintain and one document to maintain, and when I change the score the revised clips are automatically reflected in the word processor document (assuming the clip file names were not also changed). I changed the mechanism a bit further in .24, so changes in linebreaking don't mess up the snippet names. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen LilyPond Software Design -- Code for Music Notation http://www.lilypond-design.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: I would like to buy this enhancement (highly motivated buyer)
There are some possibilities to do this today.
1. Read Skipping Corrected Music. You can add a separate identifier
that you redefine to something like
select = {
\set Score.skipTypesetting = ##t \skip 1*20
\set Score.skipTypesetting = ##f \skip 1*8 \set Score.skipTypesetting = ##t
}
to get a certain snippet. However, as you quickly will find out, this
solution
has some problems.
2. Use the \tag feature to mark the different snippets.
/Mats
Rick Hansen (aka RickH) wrote:
I've been using LP for a while now and waiting for the time when I think I
could finance a very useful enhancement. Now I have something that I would
like to sponsor, and I think it would be a very worthwhile enhancement,
especially for musicologists. Please tell me if there already is a way to
do what I am about to describe, as that will save me some money in
sponsoring it.
Requirement:
A method whereby I can take an existing LP score, and by adding a simple
array list (new property) to the \paper block, have lilypond cut up the
score into several pre-defined cutouts of the full score. Each fragment
being an eps file that contains only the measures I asked for. Here is an
example of what the source code MIGHT look like, (I dont profess to know
scheme so I leave final implementation language up to the developer).
Example of possible solution:
%EXAMPLE BEGIN
(define-public mysnippets '(
(measures04thru08.eps . (cons (* 04) (* 08)))
(measures20thru24.eps . (cons (* 20) (* 24)))
(measures01thru06.eps . (cons (* 01) (* 06)))
(measures09thru18.eps . (cons (* 09) (* 18)))
(measures30thru30.eps . (cons (* 30) (* 30)))
(measures34thru35.eps . (cons (* 34) (* 35)))
(measures02thru04.eps . (cons (* 02) (* 04)))
(measures40thru47.eps . (cons (* 40) (* 47)))
))
\Paper
cutout-rectangles = #(alist-hash-table mysnippets)
}
%EXAMPLE END
Benefits:
1) The user would write their musical score as they always do.
2) They would then define an alist that lists all the cutouts they want to
extract, for each cutout they would specify a file name, the starting
measure number, and the ending measure number.
3) Upon compiling their score as usual, the full PDF will be generated as
always, but in addition all the cutouts will be outputted to the file
names provided in the alist. The contents of each cutout rectangle would
match exactly, verbatim, to that area of the full score.
4) The users word processor would be set up to include these snippet
rectangle eps files where needed.
5) The contents of each eps would be as though I physically took a razor
blade and cutout that rectangle from the paper. Each cutout would contain
all vertical staffs at the named measures exactly as shown in the full
score, including chordnames, lyrics, tabs, whatever.
Logically I think this enhancement belongs in the \paper block because it is
really meant to be a score that has been cutup for use by a pasteup
artist. Probably the best way to do it would be a post-process that takes
the full .ps file and carves out the rectangles from that. That would
insure that they always match the full score perfectly. Maybe comment
markers can be embedded in the ps file at lily run time, then all the
post-processor has to do is find the markers and write out the postscript
cutouts to separate files based on from/to markers?
How much would this cost to develop based on whatever way YOU think is best
to implement/code it? I am really only interested in the resulting
capability, not how it actually gets accomplished.
Thanks
Rick
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Re: I would like to buy this enhancement (highly motivated buyer)
Thanks for the suggestion Mats.
My motivation for this is that I am currently writing some lesson material
that reference full scores and would like to make a nice word processor
document that flows, with illustrations embedded in the text, and the text
flows around the illustrations, etc. (an old school typography look with no
grids or tables). Something that really looks nice and has an artful use
of typography and imbedded illustrations. I found that I needed dozens of
music snippets from the original, and was wasting a lot of time massaging my
already-completed-just-fine scores to put the excerpted notes into dedicated
variables for re-use, tags, skiptypesetting, etc. Times having to do that
for all the vertical staffs, lyrics, chord names, across the needed
measures, amplified the work.
Finally I threw my hands up in frustration and thought of how I would make
such a document using just a simple typewriter and xActo knife.
All I really needed was a way to tell my score to also create some snippets
of itself and deposit those results into stable file names that my Word
document references. This way I can keep things in-synch easily, because
the Word document references, (does not imbed), the actual snippet files, so
they are always up to date in the Word processor just by recompiling the
score when changes occur there.
I'm open to any suggestions for improving the workflow I've described.
Mats Bengtsson-4 wrote:
There are some possibilities to do this today.
1. Read Skipping Corrected Music. You can add a separate identifier
that you redefine to something like
select = {
\set Score.skipTypesetting = ##t \skip 1*20
\set Score.skipTypesetting = ##f \skip 1*8 \set Score.skipTypesetting =
##t
}
to get a certain snippet. However, as you quickly will find out, this
solution
has some problems.
2. Use the \tag feature to mark the different snippets.
/Mats
Rick Hansen (aka RickH) wrote:
I've been using LP for a while now and waiting for the time when I think
I
could finance a very useful enhancement. Now I have something that I
would
like to sponsor, and I think it would be a very worthwhile enhancement,
especially for musicologists. Please tell me if there already is a way
to
do what I am about to describe, as that will save me some money in
sponsoring it.
Requirement:
A method whereby I can take an existing LP score, and by adding a simple
array list (new property) to the \paper block, have lilypond cut up the
score into several pre-defined cutouts of the full score. Each fragment
being an eps file that contains only the measures I asked for. Here is
an
example of what the source code MIGHT look like, (I dont profess to know
scheme so I leave final implementation language up to the developer).
Example of possible solution:
%EXAMPLE BEGIN
(define-public mysnippets '(
(measures04thru08.eps . (cons (* 04) (* 08)))
(measures20thru24.eps . (cons (* 20) (* 24)))
(measures01thru06.eps . (cons (* 01) (* 06)))
(measures09thru18.eps . (cons (* 09) (* 18)))
(measures30thru30.eps . (cons (* 30) (* 30)))
(measures34thru35.eps . (cons (* 34) (* 35)))
(measures02thru04.eps . (cons (* 02) (* 04)))
(measures40thru47.eps . (cons (* 40) (* 47)))
))
\Paper
cutout-rectangles = #(alist-hash-table mysnippets)
}
%EXAMPLE END
Benefits:
1) The user would write their musical score as they always do.
2) They would then define an alist that lists all the cutouts they want
to
extract, for each cutout they would specify a file name, the starting
measure number, and the ending measure number.
3) Upon compiling their score as usual, the full PDF will be generated as
always, but in addition all the cutouts will be outputted to the file
names provided in the alist. The contents of each cutout rectangle would
match exactly, verbatim, to that area of the full score.
4) The users word processor would be set up to include these snippet
rectangle eps files where needed.
5) The contents of each eps would be as though I physically took a razor
blade and cutout that rectangle from the paper. Each cutout would
contain
all vertical staffs at the named measures exactly as shown in the full
score, including chordnames, lyrics, tabs, whatever.
Logically I think this enhancement belongs in the \paper block because it
is
really meant to be a score that has been cutup for use by a pasteup
artist. Probably the best way to do it would be a post-process that
takes
the full .ps file and carves out the rectangles from that. That would
insure that they always match the full score perfectly. Maybe comment
markers can be embedded in the ps file at lily run time, then all the
post-processor has to do is find the markers and write out the postscript
cutouts to separate files based on from/to markers?
How much would this cost to develop based on whatever way YOU think is
best
to implement/code it? I am really
